Casinomeister said:
There is nothing being covered up. Warren and I have had our moments, and most of these moments were 2+ years old. The Crystal Palace group of casinos went from rogue to non-recommendable to probation to non-recommendable to off probation in the course of a few years. The non-recommended page was removed as I went out the door to visit the states for three weeks, and this is after Warren corrected the terms and conditions that he was getting hammered on. He corrected this - I removed the page. Fair is fair.
Now the "tricks" thread that you referred to was removed due to a couple members getting way out of line.
That explains why that thread is not viewable, but not this one:
Old URL where he told you to 'fuck off'
I really can't understand why you would go out of your way to hide that, and evidently quite recently as well, as the page is still in google. It happened, it's a matter of historical record, and I really think that potential investors in Crystal Palace, when searching for 'Warren Cloud' should be able to see the way that he has behaved.
Sure if the casino has cleaned its act up, and is now no longer 'not recommended', it's fairly reasonable to remove the rogue page, but what happened is what happened, and it's really strange to go back into history and start hiding stuff.
Out of all the casinos - rogued and recommendable alike - complaints against the Crystal Palace group seems to be always directed against specific people. If you have a problem with a person, fine - contact him/her directly and deal with it. Don't bring it to my forum.
Incidentally, the issue that had Caruso so riled up about in the "tricks" thread I resolved by convincing Montana to reverse their decision. Now why wasn't this ever brought up??
No one said a thing...
Well I have personally never played at any of his casinos. If I had seen something saying 'Crystal Palace has cleaned its act up', then I might have done. But as it is all I see is the mountain of history, and nothing to contradict it.
I don't think it is quite realistic that the isse you would resolved would be brought up spontaneously - 'man robs bank' is newsworthy, 'man doesn't rob bank' is not.
When Crystal Palace exited the evil list, it would be normal for them to get a listing under 'past issues'. Virtual Casino, Black Widow, etc., are all there, with a brief precis of what they did.
Crystal Palace didn't get this.
Therefore as far as people are aware, they are still rogue, since there is nothing to say otherwise. In July you said with regard to their evil listing 'The 404 you're getting is from moving files around when I reloaded the site.'.
So the way you were saying it, the page was simply missing, not that they were no longer evil.
And finally regarding whether they are still evil or not, Vegas Frontier says:
Any player exhibiting "bonus hunting" behavior will have their account terminated, bonuses seized and winnings void. Bonus hunting behavior is defined by the management on a case by case basis
'We will seize your winnings on a case-by-case basis'
That doesn't look very much like they have cleaned things up to me, and that is the problem.
Promotional offers are not available to any players who have been locked out of any of our sister casinos including (but not restricted to): High Rollers Lounge, Cleopatras-Casino, American Grand, Golden Nile, Lucky Coin, Vegas Frontier, Vegas Frontier and Vegas Frontier. In addition, Vegas Frontier contributes to and makes use of a shared industry database of promotion abusers. Individuals known from this database to only make use of promotional offers without ever risking their own funds will not be eligible for this promotional offer.
That's better, but stil not really satisfactory. They have listed some of their casinos, but where is Crystal Palace itself?
And also 'but not restricted to' is a bullshit term.
How often does he open a new casino? It can't be that often.
List all the casinos there, it can't be hard.
The door is still open to say either 'you cashed out to quickly, you abused, we take your winnings', or 'you claimed the bonus at Crystal Palace as well, you are therefore an abuser under our terms, we take your winnings'.
These terms don't to me smell like a new shiny, happy, helpful casino. I could be proven wrong, but all the evidence of past behaviour (such as the 'fuck you' page, above), doesn't really convince me otherwise. Given these things, it doesn't suggest to me that it really is a safe place to play.
But I would welcome the feedback of others, and perhaps a few player reports would be beneficial.
