Corona virus - Covid 19 discussion

[pinnit2014]

Feel sorry for a lot of businesses over the years who have either had to fold, or operate at a reduced capacity. They're probably looking at it all now: people falling over one another, no space a la 2019 levels, shaking hands again and going: what was all that for?

Having spent a bit on our house the last year my lasting memory of it is inflated prices: if i could have counted the number of times we got gave a quote with the footnote: pre-covid this would have been 40% less.....good times to the racket

 

[bamberfishcake]

Great music, I think Afro Circus would have also been appropriate.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Great music, I think Afro Circus would have also been appropriate.

The vaccines were always a tool to give your body the blueprint to produce antibodies before severe disease took hold. That’s all they were designed for, they were never sold as sterilising vaccines. The fact that they did reduce transmission for a short while after inoculation was a happy bonus.

For some bizarre reason the vax sceptics run away with this idea that the vaccines are a failure because they fail to prevent transmission. I don’t get the argument myself.

 

[bamberfishcake]

The vaccines were always a tool to give your body the blueprint to produce antibodies before severe disease took hold. That’s all they were designed for, they were never sold as sterilising vaccines. The fact that they did reduce transmission for a short while after inoculation was a happy bonus.

For some bizarre reason the vax sceptics run away with this idea that the vaccines are a failure because they fail to prevent transmission. I don’t get the argument myself.

Well, if you don't understand by now why so many people are upset at the lies, misinformation, link to myocarditis, unexplained deaths, wear a mask/don't wear a mask, lockdowns, blocking of open discussion, redacted pages for 75 years, and profiteering through virtual mandates, with the greatest of respect, I don't think you ever will

How much more evidence of wrongdoing do you need? The vaccines were pitched as being effective when there is absolutely zero scientific evidence that they are,

In fact, how many signals of skullduggery fo you need? I don't understand why so many people are still supporting them.

p.s. This is not a fact as you state: 'The fact that they did reduce transmission for a short while after inoculation was a happy bonus.' At least, I don't think I have seen any evidence of this. Open to be proven wrong if you can point me in the direction of any.

 

[Jono777]

Social Distancing and lock downs (both pointless) reduced transmission, that is it and also the reason we saw little if any flu cases that year.

Sad truth is we spend our lives being told lies and half truths.

 

[paul7388]

Social Distancing and lock downs (both pointless) reduced transmission, that is it and also the reason we saw little if any flu cases that year.

Sad truth is we spend our lives being told lies and half truths.

Yeah and it has left us with a cold that feels far worse than Covid ever did.

Had Covid at least twice and neither time did it feel anywhere near as bad as the cold i have had for a couple of weeks and can not shift.

 

[sufferinsilence]

Social Distancing and lock downs (both pointless) reduced transmission, that is it and also the reason we saw little if any flu cases that year.

Sad truth is we spend our lives being told lies and half truths.

For me personally the whole social distancing and not being able to gather for Christmas dinner, birthdays or whatever was actually good for my mental health. I'm an introvert (and have social anxiety) and I absolutely dislike social gatherings. This year I've been stressing for a month because of Christmas Eve dinner I have to attend... Earlier this year I've had to go to a restaurant for a birthday party which was absolutely awful for me. If you say no to an invite people get annoyed which also stresses me the fuck out. It's like being stuck between a rock and a hard place.

Oh, and I hate being ill. I didn't have the sniffles or anything else from early 2020 until.. you guessed it: this autumn. Been semi-sick for 2 months now, joy.

And yeah, I understand the point that most people like all this (except being ill I suppose) but I don't and the past 2 years have been very easy for me in that regard.

 

[Jono777]

Yeah and it has left us with a cold that feels far worse than Covid ever did.

Had Covid at least twice and neither time did it feel anywhere near as bad as the cold i have had for a couple of weeks and can not shift.

Not alone mate. Had a heavy "feel like shit" cold for best part of 2 weeks also, never got thru so much bog roll. Finally starts to subside and I get the light headed, slightly dizzy after affects as well as bearable but a nuisance stomach pains.

Finally getting rid of both but must have had since early December.

For me personally the whole social distancing and not being able to gather for Christmas dinner, birthdays or whatever was actually good for my mental health. I'm an introvert (and have social anxiety) and I absolutely dislike social gatherings. This year I've been stressing for a month because of Christmas Eve dinner I have to attend... Earlier this year I've had to go to a restaurant for a birthday party which was absolutely awful for me. If you say no to an invite people get annoyed which also stresses me the fuck out. It's like being stuck between a rock and a hard place.

Oh, and I hate being ill. I didn't have the sniffles or anything else from early 2020 until.. you guessed it: this autumn. Been semi-sick for 2 months now, joy.

And yeah, I understand the point that most people like all this (except being ill I suppose) but I don't and the past 2 years have been very easy for me in that regard.

Same to a point, very small groups and people I know is not a problem, taking on something new or going somewhere new or groups/crowds more than say 5-6 and I'm off in the opposite direction.

This is going to sound daft and unless people have experienced it, it will be hard to explain or understand. Driving alone at work couple of weeks back, nice and relaxed, nothing currently on my mind had a panic attack. Stopped as quick as it started but has left me with a "panic attack hangover" for the last 2 week. Hope someone gets this lol (not gets it as it gets one but as in gets my drift )

 

[mack341]

I wonder how many members in CM land, including strong advocates for the covid vax, are intending to carry on with boosters once or twice a year?

 

[TheAddict]

 

[dealer wins]

The covid "vaccines" are the biggest crime against humanity in all of recorded history. Their lethality is only just getting started!

God help anyone that has had one or more, this wont end well.

 

[The Viking]

The covid "vaccines" are the biggest crime against humanity in all of recorded history. Their lethality is only just getting started!

God help anyone that has had one or more, this wont end well.

Not going into long debate about this but says who ? Serious side effects that could cause a long-term health problem are extremely unlikely following any vaccination, including COVID-19 vaccination. 100 Millions of people have received COVID-19 vaccines, and no long term side effects have been detected
of course some may get long term side affects but thats just like that with every other vaccine we take
i might add i had 2 shots of the covid vaccine, will i be getting the 3rd unlikely, never did catch the virus strangely as i work with public
and was around Covid infected people but ive had family members who got very sick and one had to be hospitalized.

 

[dunover]

I've had 4 of the buggers now. Never reacted to any of them aside from a sore arm on the first AZ one. I'm pretty sure I have had it at some stage as for example when I sit down after a shower say and the deodorant is fresh, I get a constant lab-chemical smell in my nose as opposed to the fragrance I used to notice. This isn't my bad humour, but I also notice my farts have a bland 'garden centre' type smell now always the same, whereas before there was a whole range, slightly tangy right throught to terrible sulphurous 'eggy' ones. But that could be dietary as I pretty much eat a constant range of foods. Time will tell as some of you say.

 

[mack341]

I'd noticed on some of your recent bonanza vids Dunover that there seemed to be less 'squelchers' in the background, down to dietary modification or an unseen benefit of the covid vax!

 

[bamberfishcake]

The CEO of Pfizer being asked some awkward but necessary questions.

 

[goatwack]

Best part about the shill-fest and attempted normalisation on the WEF summit in Davos, is the shady antics of the delegates in attendance, hence why it provokes a pilgrimage of high-class 'escorts' to rake in the bounty.

Apparently, all one need do is 'point at the ceiling' to arrange the sordid assignation. Who knew!

Shameful, disgraceful behaviour. I wouldn't even entertain the notion - I'd be there to save humanity and shit

 

[bamberfishcake]

Hmmm

 

[bamberfishcake]

 

[bamberfishcake]

Trust the science?



9 Million to cover up the lab leak and the fact that Covid is a man-made atrocity.



Good to see the truth coming out, but what a mess. Let's hope the next experiment for us guinea pigs is not as serious.

Hopefully, the continued restrictions on those unvaccinated will gradually fade away.

 

[bamberfishcake]

Pretty disgusting that all parties walked out of UK Parliament during a point on vaccine harms, vaccine deaths and the pushing of unproven vaccines onto the young and healthy, that evidently get no benefit from them.

This week the MHRA announced they are no longer publicly reporting updates on adverse effects from vaccines - that point alone entrenches my decision to stay vaccine free.

 

[mack341]

Pretty disgusting that all parties walked out of UK Parliament during a point on vaccine harms, vaccine deaths and the pushing of unproven vaccines onto the young and healthy, that evidently get no benefit from them.

This week the MHRA announced they are no longer publicly reporting updates on adverse effects from vaccines - that point alone entrenches my decision to stay vaccine free.

I suppose so many MPs will have promoted uptake of the vax to constituents they don't really want to broach the subject of serious side effects some have experienced [incl fatal]. Get a booster for 5 months 'protection' at most and just hope you don't develop any side effects to this novel technology. Or take lots of vit D and your chances of serious covid illness diminish greatly.

Other than an allergic reaction [which could still be serious] or some site bruising etc... in my view there shouldn't be any other noticeable 'pattern' of side effects for a vaccine. The whole point of a vaccine is to use a harmless or dead virus part that fools the immune system, not potentially trigger heart inflammation or clots etc..

If one car accident and fatality was linked to a car's mechanics, the cars would be recalled and fixed, they would not say 'well there's only been one accident'.

 

[bamberfishcake]

I suppose so many MPs will have promoted uptake of the vax to constituents they don't really want to broach the subject of serious side effects some have experienced [incl fatal]. Get a booster for 5 months 'protection' at most and just hope you don't develop any side effects to this novel technology. Or take lots of vit D and your chances of serious covid illness diminish greatly.

Other than an allergic reaction [which could still be serious] or some site bruising etc... in my view there shouldn't be any other noticeable 'pattern' of side effects for a vaccine. The whole point of a vaccine is to use a harmless or dead virus part that fools the immune system, not potentially trigger heart inflammation or clots etc..

If one car accident and fatality was linked to a car's mechanics, the cars would be recalled and fixed, they would not say 'well there's only been one accident'.

Dont know if you watched the video, but the statistics are terrible. The vaccines, according to the government's own data (which is now going to be hidden from the public going forward by the MHRA), clearly show that certain age groups are more at risk from vaccines, which are creating more hospitalisations, than Covid itself.

It has been a terrible waste of money also. So, while our energy bills and food prices rise, billions is being spent on vaccines that hospitalise more people than they protect..

I also think that many left because they didn't want to hear the truth of the matter, even though they know it in their hearts, much like those who have been vaccinated - sometimes it's hard to admit you are wrong. But, if that is an issue, then you shouldn't be in parliament.

The good Dr Campbell says that perhaps they were told to leave. In any case, such an ignorant attitude to the facts and failure to recognise the corruption demonstrates just how much the UK government cares about public opinion. Even with all the evidence and hard facts of big pharma profiteering whilst pushing patient care to the bottom of the list, they are still pushing the narrative.

 

[Jono777]

Too late now but I occasionally, no make that quite often actually, think back and think "Why the fuck did I give in and let them jab me!"

No trouble maker and usually a go with the flow sort of guy but this sort of thing when "forced" I ultra rarely back down on.

 

[mack341]

Dont know if you watched the video, but the statistics are terrible. The vaccines, according to the government's own data (which is now going to be hidden from the public going forward by the MHRA), clearly show that certain age groups are more at risk from vaccines, which are creating more hospitalisations, than Covid itself.

It has been a terrible waste of money also. So, while our energy bills and food prices rise, billions is being spent on vaccines that hospitalise more people than they protect..

I also think that many left because they didn't want to hear the truth of the matter, even though they know it in their hearts, much like those who have been vaccinated - sometimes it's hard to admit you are wrong. But, if that is an issue, then you shouldn't be in parliament.

The good Dr Campbell says that perhaps they were told to leave. In any case, such an ignorant attitude to the facts and failure to recognise the corruption demonstrates just how much the UK government cares about public opinion. Even with all the evidence and hard facts of big pharma profiteering whilst pushing patient care to the bottom of the list, they are still pushing the narrative.

I think I did see it on twitter, he has done a couple with like 6 MPs in the chamber. I was sure though this change to how the stats are shown was mentioned a while back, and there was no news or reaction on it in the msm press.

Something I saw this week was anyone vaccinated would not be counted as such in the stats until 3 weeks afterwards, so if you caught covid and went into hospital viola you're counted as one of the 'selfish' unvaccinated choking up our nhs, figures whch were then used in the msm to distort reality.

I was a bit sceptical about Dr Campbell for a while [early on] as he seemed to go along with some of the pfizer hype, but since then he has done a lot of sensible balanced vids. He's pro vaccine but has to be safe and effective, otherwise not right to push it and the drug firms have to come up with something better.

 

[bamberfishcake]

Too late now but I occasionally, no make that quite often actually, think back and think "Why the fuck did I give in and let them jab me!"

No trouble maker and usually a go with the flow sort of guy but this sort of thing when "forced" I ultra rarely back down on.

Mate, I was an inch away from getting jabbed and, even worse, getting my kids done. I don't think the blame lies with anybody who got jabbed; after all, it was what legacy media was pushing.

All discussions around herd immunity, the benefits of Vit D etc were shut down, and the likes of Dr Fauci and Bill Gates, along with the support of social media, governments and pharmaceutical companies, were telling us all to 'trust the science'. Leaders like Justin Trudeau singled out the unvaccinated and, without going as far as actually saying the word, pushed for them to be treated like lepers, claiming they put the lives of others at risk.

What we need now is a full investigation and radical reform of the system, which can be achieved through all coming together and seeking out the truth.

It is literally them vs us now. Any idea of democracy or trust is pretty much dead.

 

[Kroffe]

Too late now but I occasionally, no make that quite often actually, think back and think "Why the fuck did I give in and let them jab me!"

No trouble maker and usually a go with the flow sort of guy but this sort of thing when "forced" I ultra rarely back down on.

Thats exactly what a troublemaker would say.

 

[TheAddict]

Just take the damn vaxeeen.

 

[bamberfishcake]

I was a bit sceptical about Dr Campbell for a while [early on] as he seemed to go along with some of the pfizer hype

Agreed. Now though, he is one of the most reliable sources of info on Covid.

He analyses the data from government agencies and presents facts.

I cannot believe the gravity of vaccine harm compared to protection.

Some stats from the positively refreshing Andrew Bridgen (the only MP I would vote for right now):

FYI - U.S. Data:

A Serious Adverse Event is defined as anything that results in Death, Life-Threatening, Hospitalisation, Prolonged Hospitalisation, Persistent or Significant Disability or Incapacity, Congenital Anomaly or Birth Defect (remember when it was claimed the vaccine was safe for pregnant women? - a disgrace in itself), or something considered as Medically Important based on Medical Judgment.

10.1 serious adverse events in every 10,000 Pfizer Vaccinations, which means 1 in every 990 people will have a serious adverse event.
15.1 serious adverse events in every 10,000 Moderna Vaccinations, meaning 1 in 662 will have a serious adverse event.

Combined Data - 1in 800 chance.

Even more shocking to me is the Age Group Data from the UK:

These numbers are based on the recommended NNV (Numbers Needed to Vaccinate) to prevent a single Covid hospitalisation of a serious nature:

To prevent one healthy adult from being hospitalised from Covid, between 50 and 59 - 43,000 need a booster, which means, based on the Serious Adverse Effect data, that 55 people would have died or been put into hospital with vaccine side effects.

40 to 49 age group need 92,500 boosters to prevent one Covid hospitalisation, which would have put 116 people into hospital from the jab.

30 to 39 - 210,400 booster jabs to prevent a single Covid hospitalisation. 263 would have had serious adverse effects.

The caveat is that a single Covid hospitalisation doesn't mean a serious intervention.

To prevent a Severe Covid Hospitalisation:

50 to 59 - 256,400 jabs = 321 in hospital from the vaccine.

40 to 49 - 932,500 jabs = 1,165 in hospital.

30 to 39 could not be calculated because not a single case of this age group has been put into intensive care from Covid, yet 1 in 800 will have died, been disabled or seriously harmed by the booster.

The most vulnerable group of those over 70, would need 800 vaccine boosters to prevent one hospitalisation, which means they are literally swapping one risk for another by getting jabbed.

 

[mack341]

Agreed. Now though, he is one of the most reliable sources of info on Covid.

He analyses the data from government agencies and presents facts.

I cannot believe the gravity of vaccine harm compared to protection.

Some stats from the positively refreshing Andrew Bridgen (the only MP I would vote for right now):

FYI - U.S. Data:

A Serious Adverse Event is defined as anything that results in Death, Life-Threatening, Hospitalisation, Prolonged Hospitalisation, Persistent or Significant Disability or Incapacity, Congenital Anomaly or Birth Defect (remember when it was claimed the vaccine was safe for pregnant women? - a disgrace in itself), or something considered as Medically Important based on Medical Judgment.

10.1 serious adverse events in every 10,000 Pfizer Vaccinations, which means 1 in every 990 people will have a serious adverse event.
15.1 serious adverse events in every 10,000 Moderna Vaccinations, meaning 1 in 662 will have a serious adverse event.

Combined Data - 1in 800 chance.

Even more shocking to me is the Age Group Data from the UK:

These numbers are based on the recommended NNV (Numbers Needed to Vaccinate) to prevent a single Covid hospitalisation of a serious nature:

To prevent one healthy adult from being hospitalised from Covid, between 50 and 59 - 43,000 need a booster, which means, based on the Serious Adverse Effect data, that 55 people would have died or been put into hospital with vaccine side effects.

40 to 49 age group need 92,500 boosters to prevent one Covid hospitalisation, which would have put 116 people into hospital from the jab.

30 to 39 - 210,400 booster jabs to prevent a single Covid hospitalisation. 263 would have had serious adverse effects.

The caveat is that a single Covid hospitalisation doesn't mean a serious intervention.

To prevent a Severe Covid Hospitalisation:

50 to 59 - 256,400 jabs = 321 in hospital from the vaccine.

40 to 49 - 932,500 jabs = 1,165 in hospital.

30 to 39 could not be calculated because not a single case of this age group has been put into intensive care from Covid, yet 1 in 800 will have died, been disabled or seriously harmed by the booster.

The most vulnerable group of those over 70, would need 800 vaccine boosters to prevent one hospitalisation, which means they are literally swapping one risk for another by getting jabbed.

I didn't realise the stats were that bad, I suppose once the omicron strain arrived the point/claim about the covid vax preventing hospitalisations became slightly redundant, and yet the govt/health agencies are still pushing their use. It's down to the doctors and scientists with a conscience to do the research and papers and then perhaps the govt etc...can no longer bury their heads.

Although pfizer made a shedload of profit I think their brand name has been damaged, and any new vaccines they make will have a bigger question mark over them than otherwise would've been the case. It wouldn't surprise me at some point in the next few years if they merge with another firm partly in order to drop the pfizer name.

 

[mcgameboy]

Pretty disgusting that all parties walked out of UK Parliament during a point on vaccine harms, vaccine deaths and the pushing of unproven vaccines onto the young and healthy, that evidently get no benefit from them.

This week the MHRA announced they are no longer publicly reporting updates on adverse effects from vaccines - that point alone entrenches my decision to stay vaccine free.

I can proudly say that I didn't let the MSM or politicians (or indeed the many self-proclaimed experts who participated in this very thread!) sway me into getting jabbed.
I was actually prepared to go as far as being prepared to lose both my jobs over it.
I didn't trust the jabs back then, I trust them even less now. What I DO trust is my own immune system and my gut instinct.
Both of those have served me much better than any clot shot ever could.

Thankfully, both companies that I worked for only made mask wearing compulsory for a while (probably in line with the wishes of our clients).
The staff on some of those clients still wear masks even now, but they don't make us wear them when we visit their store for the day.

I remember how the likes of dealer wins got lambasted on this thread on a regular and frequent basis, because he dared (quite vocally)
to not trust the MSM narratives being pushed down our throats. Seems like he wasn't as wide of the mark as many had initially thought.

Seems that all of his critics (and boy did he have PLENTY!) don't have much to say for themselves now. In fact, their collective silence is deafening.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Seems that all of his critics (and boy did he have PLENTY!) don't have much to say for themselves now. In fact, their collective silence is deafening.

Quite simply we’ve moved on.

We’re out of the pandemic phase of the virus now and the vaccine, at the time, did what it needed to do. Plenty of data out there to show the reduction in hospitalisations post vaccine.

There was a novel virus, we didn’t know much about it, a vaccine was created (with billions having been poured in to cultivate it and administer it) and hospital admissions were brought down because of it. It did a job at a time of panic.

I guess, when all said and done, people’s perception of the pandemic will be skewed by their experiences. I saw a colleague, in their 40s and fit, not able to walk more than a metre without gasping for breath in the early days of the pandemic. They had to have 6 weeks off work. That was enough for me to understand the severity. Granted, other people won’t have had this experience, so I can come to understand their stance.

What I don’t understand is why people look for conspiracy in absolutely everything?

 

[mack341]

And yet the very public punishment for non-compliance continues, it was always political imo.

 

[TheAddict]

Lets deny them access to work and find other ways to destroy their lives if they don't do what we think everyone should do.

6 months later. Fuck this shit. The tv is subtly telling us who to blame, what absolute cunts, we still can't go on fucking holiday. Fuck their freedoms, We'll never go back to normal, the tv said so. They should be locked up in quarantine camps, and If they die of covid we couldn't give a single fuck less.

Some time later.
Oh, we've moved on now.


 lol

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Lets deny them access to work and find other ways to destroy their lives if they don't do what we think everyone should do.

6 months later. Fuck this shit. The tv is subtly telling us who to blame, what absolute cunts, we still can't go on fucking holiday. Fuck their freedoms, We'll never go back to normal, the tv said so. They should be locked up in quarantine camps, and If they die of covid we couldn't give a single fuck less.

Some time later.
Oh, we've moved on now.


 lol

You're conflating the science of the vaccine protecting people from serious illness and the political aspect of things. They are two different things. Politics should never have even come into it, it was a worldwide health emergency and we should have all been on the same page. You may not have liked the politics, but that was never a reason to diss the science.

Personally I was only ever interested in protecting myself from the (small) risk of serious illness- it was my decision whether to have the jab or not and the only argument I ever had was against the notion that the vaccines were of no use...which is what the original argument in here was about.

I was always of the opinion that people should have the choice whether or not to take the vaccine...their body, their choice. However what I didn't like was the spreading of misinformation about a vaccine which undoubtedly and irrefutably saved lives.

And yes, most of the world has moved on now because as time goes on situations change, not remain static. There aren't many places in the world that require a vaccine passport now and people are free to move around as before. Could things have been done differently/better? Absolutely, there isn't much doubt about that, but hindsight is a great thing!

 

[mack341]

You're conflating the science of the vaccine protecting people from serious illness and the political aspect of things. They are two different things. Politics should never have even come into it, it was a worldwide health emergency and we should have all been on the same page. You may not have liked the politics, but that was never a reason to diss the science.

Personally I was only ever interested in protecting myself from the (small) risk of serious illness- it was my decision whether to have the jab or not and the only argument I ever had was against the notion that the vaccines were of no use...which is what the original argument in here was about.

I was always of the opinion that people should have the choice whether or not to take the vaccine...their body, their choice. However what I didn't like was the spreading of misinformation about a vaccine which undoubtedly and irrefutably saved lives.

I respect you have always said that about choice. Once that was guaranteed and protected the politics could've been largely removed, but sadly they started to go in the opposite direction.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

I respect you have always said that about choice. Once that was guaranteed and protected the politics could've been largely removed, but sadly they started to go in the opposite direction.

Yes, irrespective of my views I always maintained people should be able to make their own choice. I've been consistent with that view across the forum (gambling regulation etc).

 

[bamberfishcake]

Quite simply we’ve moved on.

We’re out of the pandemic phase of the virus now and the vaccine, at the time, did what it needed to do. Plenty of data out there to show the reduction in hospitalisations post vaccine.

There was a novel virus, we didn’t know much about it, a vaccine was created (with billions having been poured in to cultivate it and administer it) and hospital admissions were brought down because of it. It did a job at a time of panic.

I guess, when all said and done, people’s perception of the pandemic will be skewed by their experiences. I saw a colleague, in their 40s and fit, not able to walk more than a metre without gasping for breath in the early days of the pandemic. They had to have 6 weeks off work. That was enough for me to understand the severity. Granted, other people won’t have had this experience, so I can come to understand their stance.

What I don’t understand is why people look for conspiracy in absolutely everything?

There is plenty of data to show the reduction of hospitalisations post-vaccine but it is questionable data. Covid deaths were being misrecorded, and what about the 1600% increase (from memory) in unexplained deaths? Something like 62,000 last year (again, from memory). Redacted data from Pfizer also, I mean, come on, you must be a little miffed by the fact that a health company manufacturing worldwide vaccines making billions doesn't have to provide the data or be held accountable for any repercussions.

It was a novel virus, which we actually knew lots about, far more about than disclosed because we created it We simply manufactured it, then denied all knowledge of it. I imagine your colleague unable to walk more than a meter would like some clarity.

The whole situation begs a lot of questions, but, I understand that ignorance is bliss, and nobody likes to admit they have been fooled. Much of the world is in denial. I think that maybe it is natural to look for a conspiracy in everything because it is human nature to look for the surprise and be inquisitive. I try to approach everything with an open mind until there comes a point where I can call a spade a spade.

I don't believe in Ancient Aliens, or that Da Vinci painted secrets to the universe in The Vitruvian Man, but I don't think I am in the realms of conspiracy when looking at the facts and digesting the information given over Covid.

People's reaction is most definitely down to perception. I guess if you are content that is great, like I said 'ignorance is bliss', but I have my kids and their future to unnecessarily worry about.

I think we are at a turning point, and if we let this corruption slide, we are inviting more of the same, sending humanity, democracy and society down a very slippery slope.

 

[bamberfishcake]

I thought the red lines were never to be crossed by either party.

 

[dealer wins]

No one has been given a vaccine, they all had mRNA tech gene therapy with ZERO medium or long term safety data.

 

[mack341]

I thought the red lines were never to be crossed by either party.

It did look very odd, the woman in pink had picked up her bag before noticing the tory mp so perhaps they were about to leave. Maybe he was reminding them of a meeting later or committee they're part of.

Certainly worth drawing the public's attention to, and he did cross that red line, surely to counter my own thought, if they were leaving he could've spoken to them outside. Maybe parliament is having an informal but organised ostracisation of Bridgen and he was reminding them. Bastards.

 

[Jono777]

No one has been given a vaccine, they all had mRNA tech gene therapy with ZERO medium or long term safety data.

This is by far the main thing that concerned me at the time.

The most rushed Vax ever in the history of vaccines, told its safe when it was 100% impossible to prove this so called reassurance statement.

Forced to have it or lose job, now its floating around inside me so a concern which although reduced will not simply go away.

*Touch Wood" I was fortunate to be blessed with a great immune system so did not want this experimental combination of chemicals shoved in to me.

One good thing has come from this situation however, I will never give in again to do something I know better not to or know nothing about.

 

[casguy2016]

lol people are concerned about getting an MRNA vaccine but will gladly eat a Mcdonald's burger.
To each their own i'm not here to tell people what they can and can't do.

if you already had the vaccine and are now worried about long time side effects...
based on how i understand how it works i wouldn't worry about it and keep living life. Life is too short to worry about what might and likely never will happen.

pandemic is pretty much over time to move on. wear a mask if you want, don't wear one if you don't want to and if anything good came out of this is some people now will wear a mask when they know they have a cold or a flu lowering the chances i'm going to get sick and miss time off work or mess up my vacation plans. Japan had their mask wearing right well before the pandemic

 

[bamberfishcake]

OZ ban AZ

 

[mack341]

OZ ban AZ

I see Lisa Shaw's husband has now decided to sue AZ [along with 75 other claimants]

Solicitor Peter Todd from Scott-Moncrieff and Associates, which is acting for the claimants, said damages were being pursued on the basis that the vaccine was a "defective product in that it was not as safe as consumers generally were reasonably entitled to expect"

I hope they win the case, big pharma has too much of a cosy protection regarding vaccines; australia also released data that showed the lipid nanoparticles of the pfizer vax go everywhere in the body, whereas a traditional vaccine doesn't. If they were treating cancer that could be a benefit - I suspect mrna was more developed for that purpose originally.

 

[bamberfishcake]

I see Lisa Shaw's husband has now decided to sue AZ [along with 75 other claimants]

Solicitor Peter Todd from Scott-Moncrieff and Associates, which is acting for the claimants, said damages were being pursued on the basis that the vaccine was a "defective product in that it was not as safe as consumers generally were reasonably entitled to expect"

I hope they win the case, big pharma has too much of a cosy protection regarding vaccines; australia also released data that showed the lipid nanoparticles of the pfizer vax go everywhere in the body, whereas a traditional vaccine doesn't. If they were treating cancer that could be a benefit - I suspect mrna was more developed for that purpose originally.

Could this be the silver lining to the poisonous cloud of Big Pharma? The one step too far that the Fat Cats may come to regret? I think they should hang the lot out to dry or stuff them in the stocks for a day in major cities worldwide.

I regretfully suspect that Pfizer will come out of it smelling of stinky roses, protected by the rules that govern them at the expense of the world.

 

[pinnit2014]

Pharma companies being duplicitous?

Surely not

*cough: Opioids

I mean Johnson and Johnson can't produce Talc without adverse health complications, would you trust them with a vaccine

 

[bamberfishcake]

Could AZ be set up as the scandal that makes everyone forget about Pfizer? Look over here at these scoundrels instead of us type thing.

I don't trust any of them to be honest. I talk to my Uncle on a regular basis, who is a tow-the-line type of guy. Always been a pillar of truth for me who has never minced his words. He has been getting vaccinated and following instructions to the letter, and we have polar-opposite views on the vaccine. I feel disgusted that his health may have been put at risk by doing what is deemed to be right by our government.

My Aunty takes all sorts of pills for god knows what, and many that counter the effects of others, while therapeutic, natural or alternative therapies are sniffed at by doctors and the industry. Best thing I think you can do is at least look and try some alternatives before putting yourself at the mercy of these companies who seem driven only by profit.

 

[pinnit2014]

Could AZ be set up as the scandal that makes everyone forget about Pfizer? Look over here at these scoundrels instead of us type thing.

I don't trust any of them to be honest. I talk to my Uncle on a regular basis, who is a tow-the-line type of guy. Always been a pillar of truth for me who has never minced his words. He has been getting vaccinated and following instructions to the letter, and we have polar-opposite views on the vaccine. I feel disgusted that his health may have been put at risk by doing what is deemed to be right by our government.

My Aunty takes all sorts of pills for god knows what, and many that counter the effects of others, while therapeutic, natural or alternative therapies are sniffed at by doctors and the industry. Best thing I think you can do is at least look and try some alternatives before putting yourself at the mercy of these companies who seem driven only by profit.

There was the UFC guy: Dana White and Gary Brekka re the alternative therapies - they're not really that alternative, they're just about what you put into your body and the importance of the Gut. DW went from needing 6/7 long term prescriptions to, zero? Based on what he put into his body.

Don't get me wrong, there are some quacks re 'functional medicine' (as it's termed) but the mainstream/conventional doctors are coming round to it over recent years.

As i was listening to the other day: people being put and have been on anti-depressants for 15 years? At what point do you think it's going to kick in.....but if you're interested in these things, which i am, there'a a lot of reputable evidence from UCL re the important of the Gut Doctors (as they term themselves)

 

[Amina]

Anyone concerned about the chinese flu virus ? ,bit worrying that 2000 possible carriers are walking arond the UK.
Not their fault I know but I wouldnt trust the authorities to track them all down and test them.

I am very concerned, and I also do not trust the authorities to check everyone

 

[L&L-Jan]

Im off soon for my 6th booster, cant wait. It is important to protect yourself and and further spread.