Corona virus - Covid 19 discussion

[Steviedoo]

Without seeing the context of what's reported, how and by whom, I still find it incredulous that these protestors would, what, use their kids as human shields now? Is that what some genuinely believe with a straight face?

There are photos. Children’s aid society has been called in.

 

[geordiecolin]

Yes there's going to be a strong element of seeing what you want to believe in the 'truckers are terrorists' section, one instance repeatedly shown on tv allows broad brush strokes to be painted.

They only got in with about a third of the vote. The cons supported the government for 2 years with their mandates. Governments are corrupt to the core.
This is akin to their cross party meetings

 

[dionysus]

Actually, the majority of Canadian CITIZENS support the mandates

 

[Steviedoo]

There are photos from the protesters that blocked the Canada USA port of kids forming a human chain in front of police.

Why would this be any different.

 

[geordiecolin]

Actually, the majority of Canadian CITIZENS support the mandates

So did the Germans at one point in our history.

 

[sufferinsilence]

There are photos from the protesters that blocked the Canada USA port of kids forming a human chain in front of police.

Why would this be any different.

Abusing children like that is a big no-no but it's a known tactic. I have no words for such despicable behaviour.

 

[mack341]

In the Dutch and Belgian Telegram groups some people have said to use kids as a shield between them and the riot police because then they wouldn't be able to charge or use the water cannon.

I've also seen on livestreams of protests they were sending kids with banners towards the front whilst others were throwing bricks and other materials at the police.

This is a screenshot from one of the organisers of the big protests in Brussels late last year and early this year, he's basically saying "to put the kids at the front because that's the safest". Make of it what you want.

That would never happen here, parents wouldn't let children out of their sight. I could imagine some very, very fringe anarchy thinkers proposing it as a strategy but then also in the uk firing rubber bullets at protesters is unheard of, I can't remember an instance. Maybe the 2011 london ones from memory but that was arson and looting taking place.

 

[dionysus]

The fact anyone compares the Canadian convoy to Hitler Germany actually does much more to prove our POV than I could probably post and share

 

[Spikie]

In Austria news…. Vaccine rules are likely to be cancelled on 13th march ..

Edit .. 5th March I’ve just read ….

 

[goatwack]

I'd like to know if the troublemakers are as spicy as this mob

 

[sufferinsilence]

That would never happen here, parents wouldn't let children out of their sight. I could imagine some very, very fringe anarchy thinkers proposing it as a strategy but then also in the uk firing rubber bullets at protesters is unheard of, I can't remember an instance. Maybe the 2012 london ones from memory but that was arson and looting taking place.

Those that gather in the Telegram groups are usually those that are "hardcore" and won't shy away from using those tactics. It's a very vocal minority.

Like I pointed out earlier tonight I have absolutely no issues at all with peaceful protest. Bring your kids, bring your dogs, heck even bring your grandma if you want and wave your banners or yell whatever you need to yell. There is no need to agitate the police or destroy property, full stop. If you do that and the police has to act it's your own damn fault.

 

[Steviedoo]

They only got in with about a third of the vote. The cons supported the government for 2 years with their mandates. Governments are corrupt to the core.
This is akin to their cross party meetings

Most government parties that win the majority vote get anywhere between 36% and 39% of the vote.

Trudeau fell short. He got 32% - 33%.

This is not the USA it’s not a two party system. It’s 3 maybe even 4 - 5 party system so the vote gets spread out.

So saying he got one third of the vote is meaningless.

 

[Steviedoo]

The fact anyone compares the Canadian convoy to Hitler Germany actually does much more to prove our POV than I could probably post and share

Who thought being Canadian would be so on trend.

 

[geordiecolin]

The fact anyone compares the Canadian convoy to Hitler Germany actually does much more to prove our POV than I could probably post and share

The fact that you swallow anything put out by the government and media suggests that you are utterly blinded to truth,facts or "follow the science"

 

[goatwack]

Canadians have come a long way since Bigger, Longer & Uncut. Gone are the flappy heads and beady eyes, to be replaced with relevance

 

[dionysus]

 

[geordiecolin]

Canadians have come a long way since Bigger, Longer & Uncut. Gone are the flappy heads and beady eyes, to be replaced with relevance

Probably something in their water other than the stuff they get from fracking

 

[dionysus]

winter olympics, mustn't forget...

 

[mack341]

Those that gather in the Telegram groups are usually those that are "hardcore" and won't shy away from using those tactics. It's a very vocal minority.

Like I pointed out earlier tonight I have absolutely no issues at all with peaceful protest. Bring your kids, bring your dogs, heck even bring your grandma if you want and wave your banners or yell whatever you need to yell. There is no need to agitate the police or destroy property, full stop. If you do that and the police has to act it's your own damn fault.

I tend to agree, agitate the police might be a debatable range to define that. In this situation the protesters are truckers, so the trucks come too, and the horns; I think they've done their utmost to be peaceful, noise can be annoying but only a strategy to try to get the politicians to the table.

 

[goatwack]

Where's Brian Boitano when you actually need him

 

[geordiecolin]

Most government parties that win the majority vote get anywhere between 36% and 39% of the vote.

Trudeau fell short. He got 32% - 33%.

This is not the USA it’s not a two party system. It’s 3 maybe even 4 - 5 party system so the vote gets spread out.

So saying he got one third of the vote is meaningless.

Who controls government parties? Green Parties are tied to the green agenda which seems to be in vogue at the moment. It is all theatre

 

[goatwack]

Conservatives are green, Labour not far behind, and the actual Greens the greenest of them all.

Seems there's no party left to rein in some common sense. They're all away with the fairies!

 

[geordiecolin]

Conservatives are green, Labour not far behind, and the actual Greens the greenest of them all.

Seems there's no party left to rein in some common sense. They're all away with the fairies!

My fave colour and I was a green while I was developing pubes

 

[Steviedoo]

Who controls government parties? Green Parties are tied to the green agenda which seems to be in vogue at the moment. It is all theatre

Five parties had representatives elected to the federal parliament in the 2021 election: the Liberal Party who currently form the government, the Conservative Party who are the Official Opposition, the New Democratic Party, the Bloc Québécois, and the Green Party of Canada.

 

[geordiecolin]

Five parties had representatives elected to the federal parliament in the 2021 election: the Liberal Party who currently form the government, the Conservative Party who are the Official Opposition, the New Democratic Party, the Bloc Québécois, and the Green Party of Canada.

They all do not represent my point. Their influences do. In the UK our governments opposition supported the mandates but would have implemented more. Our green party has a natural backer.
Most of our media are funded and where does that funding come from?
The media in Canada is funded by the government.
This is why folk look to online news rather than msm. Look at CNN's ratings once the orange man left office. Folk do not trust the media any more or government. Folk want to seek the truth for themselves.
They will start to seek it out

 

[Steviedoo]

They all do not represent my point. Their influences do. In the UK our governments opposition supported the mandates but would have implemented more. Our green party has a natural backer.
Most of our media are funded and where does that funding come from?
The media in Canada is funded by the government.
This is why folk look to online news rather than msm. Look at CNN's ratings once the orange man left office. Folk do not trust the media any more or government. Folk want to seek the truth for themselves.
They will start to seek it out

The media in Canada is owned by two or three very wealthy individuals.

One media tv and radio broadcaster is owned by the government. CBC.

Whatever you’re trying to get at is being lost in translation.

 

[mack341]

Trudeau did not create canada, he's a political custodian, so should be doing his best to preserve the character, and that involves the boundaries between the govt and individual citizen. Once you start punishing people for deciding against having a pharmaceutical product, you're moving the boundaries.

If the vax passes are being lifted for shops and other things, then is the real issue Biden's govt is insisting on the mandate, and kind of bullying the canadians into adopting something they wouldn't typically do. [at this stage anyhow, with a milder strain circulating]

 

[dionysus]

We aren't much bullied.
Why do people think, we are forced into much of anything? We're quite happy and complacent.
Right or wong, it is what and who we are, I dont know why everyone feels we should adapt to their philosophy. We are quite content in what we do

 

[dionysus]

I remember, the world at large, thought, oh those Canadians, big land, happy people.
Somehow, a convoy, because the world stage jumped on it, we somehow changed
We havent

 

[dionysus]

Give it 2 weeks. The news cycle will be on the Trump cases

 

[kennygamerboy]

trudeau just like his father castro

 

[dionysus]

trudeau just like his father castro

yes, dullards tend to think that, without actually, ever, fact checking

 

[mack341]

I remember, the world at large, thought, oh those Canadians, big land, happy people.
Somehow, a convoy, because the world stage jumped on it, we somehow changed
We havent

Your govt has changed, the rules are changed on the back of very flimsy justification. Life has changed for that gelato shop owner, she's now got a mob targeting her, is that a traditional way canadians behave, I don't think so.

 

[dionysus]

but HEY, gossip and the internets saids so, must be true

 

[dionysus]

Your govt has changed, the rules are changed on the back of very flimsy justification. Life has changed for that gelato shop owner, she's now got a mob targeting her, is that a traditional way canadians behave, I don't think so.

yes, that one case, the gelato owner, made right wing news
gods forbid, they report the spitting, harrassment and everything else doesnt fit their narrative
eesh
I'm for the punishment and arrests anyone made threats against a small business owner made a donation for their belief.
And, I hope, arrests are made for the idiots cause city wide obstruction and damage

 

[dionysus]

I don't get it, I don't
I express in American threads, and I support and enjoy people express about Canada. Pro, con, slag, have at 'er.
What I DON'T get, is people saying, well Canadians WANT this, which well, we clearly do not

 

[kennygamerboy]

yes, dullards tend to think that, without actually, ever, fact checking

wouldn’t say dullard. the facts speak for themselves. his mother and father where known swingers also where on a extended honeymoon in the caribbean just happens it was 9 months before little castro was born they also loved castro . he is the absolute spitting image of castro too. sometimes you need to think outside the box. everything is a lie anyway and trudeau is a scum bag of the highest order. i thought the uk was like north korea but canada is another level

 

[kennygamerboy]

yes, dullards tend to think that, without actually, ever, fact checking

 

[kennygamerboy]

but HEY, gossip and the internets saids so, must be true

fact checking has also been shown to extremely dubious and a scam

 

[dionysus]

wait, what? people somewhat, kind of look like other people? No way.

 

[kennygamerboy]

wait, what? people somewhat, kind of look like other people? No way.

it’s not just his appearance. leftie

 

[dionysus]

okies, conspiracy rightie

 

[cncas2123]

@dionysus @Steviedoo plain to see that you Canadians don't know half as much about the convoy as the "enlightened" ones in the UK do, they know the real truth cos they see it on the internet and you have no idea what you are talking about...

 

[dionysus]

@dionysus @Steviedoo plain to see that you Canadians don't know half as much about the convoy as the "enlightened" ones in the UK do, they know the real truth cos they see it on the internet and you have no idea what you are talking about...

*sad face* yeah, we dont see it, hear it, live it every day

 

[dionysus]

No worries, give it a few hours; I'm certain someome will school us about being Canadians

 

[bamberfishcake]

PLEASE use the words oppressive regime for some other country other than Canada. You do not know the Canada we know. And it is diminishes the struggle of citizens in real oppressive regimes.

There is no sliding scale for oppression, sorry if you don't like the terminology, I didn't post it to offend, I say as I see, but just because another country is clearly more oppressed, doesn't mean the cap doesn't fit.

Canada has a 90% vaccination rate.

If the mandates are being lifted it is purely political as there are provincial elections coming up.

Actually, the majority of Canadian CITIZENS support the mandates

If all of the above is true, why drop the mandates for political gain, wouldn't that make the parties less popular? Also, the Canadian government website states a lower figure than 90% vaccinated.

So saying he got one third of the vote is meaningless

Getting a third of votes is not meaningless in a democracy, it means two-thirds support others

 

[dionysus]

If all of the above is true, why drop the mandates for political gain

mandates were dropped because our numbers are decreasring. Sorry, FOX and Daily Mail arent the best go to source for Canadian poliitics

 

[JohnSnow]

Krooncasino was the casino that introduced me to online gambling. Now krooncasino together with oranjecasino (both marketed towards dutch players are renamed to casinowinner and loyalcasino.

Both owned by Corona Limited lmao.
And corona Limited is part of Betsson group. They were ahead of their time tho. Named Corona Limited before covid hit us. Damn the elite. When conspiracy brah

 

[bamberfishcake]

mandates were dropped because our numbers are decreasring. Sorry, FOX and Daily Mail arent the best go to source for Canadian poliitics

No need to apologise, I don't watch either.

I see you conveniently plucked the single point you wish to discuss again

I don't profess to be an expert on Canada, I'm not right-wing nor any wing for that matter, although you have tried on a couple of occasions to label me as such.

I simply look at the facts I know are true. Mandates are being enforced for an unproven and untested vaccine by US pharmaceuticals who have nothing to lose by pumping people with jabs they don't want.

My point has always been about the right to choose, not a slur on Canada or Canadians, It seems like a wonderful country, on my list to visit to see my best friend from school who lives with his family in Ontario.

Trudeau stood next to the BLM protests in the thick of the most destructive strain of Covid. When it comes to protesting about the right to choose, he froze bank accounts and stole fuel and money from publicly-funded sources.

This is about liberty and the right to protest. I agree, its perhaps time to move on, especially if small businesses are being run into the ground, even though the Internet and companies like Amazon have probably had a larger consequence, but that's another story - I just think there is a right and wrong way of doing things and Trudeau is selectively oppressing a voice.

 

[dionysus]

I'll....put this out there.
I comment on US politics. Why?
Let's put aside they are our neighbours, and our major cities border their major cities.
Personally, I've travelled the US. I've lived there. Worked there, Ran a company there.
I'm ENTITLED.

Do you know what I don't do?
Jump in the UK election threads, Brexit, etc
Because I havent a dog in the fight.
Oh, I may jump in with a bit of jocularity.

But still, funny, people seem to think, well, let's defend the Canadians when really, we are just fine defending ourselves

But i done saw it on Fox, my local paper, the Daily Mail etc etc
Seriously, if you cant listen to what the ACTUAL Canadians say in this thread, what are you fighing for? Just....cuz....you want to o fight?