Corona virus - Covid 19 discussion

[mack341]

From the spiked online mag:

It should also be noted that Trudeau and his government have consistently refused to meet and even to listen to the protesters’ grievances, despite the protesters themselves being willing to engage in dialogue....

Ironically, whenever Trudeau meets a foreign leader who is dealing with large-scale protests, he always preaches the gospel of dialogue rather than crackdown. Most notably, when India’s capital was similarly paralysed by a blockade of tractors and trucks, as farmers protested against PM Narendra Modi’s agricultural reforms, Trudeau went so far as to throw his support behind the protests, which lasted more than a year.

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What's that word that begins with H and often goes with liberal politicians...

 

[goatwack]

Honour?

Haribo?

 

[dionysus]

What's that word that begins with H and often goes with liberal politicians...

Honourable?


Why would the PM meet? Protesters are arguing over PROVINCIAL mandates
Does your PM run out because whack-a-doos run out onto the street in London tipping cars and such?

 

[goatwack]

Honourable?


Why would the PM meet? Protesters are arguing over PROVINCIAL mandates
Does your PM run out because whack-a-doos run out onto the street in London tipping cars and such?

Tipping cars? Bloody hell, you lot are in some dystopian nightmare. What next? Graffiti? Littering?

 

[mack341]

Honourable?


Why would the PM meet? Protesters are arguing over PROVINCIAL mandates
Does your PM run out because whack-a-doos run out onto the street in London tipping cars and such?

Well he can still discuss it and make representations to the province leaders?

 

[dionysus]

Well he can still discuss it and make representations to the province leaders?

The majorty of the provinical leaders agree the convoy is illegal and done it's run

 

[slotplayer]

We throw Canadian coins away here.

 

[dionysus]

We throw Canadian coins away here.

so do we. We entered the 21st century and use bank cards and online banking

 

[dionysus]

besides, strippers hate a g-string full of 2 dollar coins

 

[slotplayer]

So do we. We entered the 21st century and use bank cards and online banking

I know I was just joking. Did you ever get any US coins in your change when you used to use cash?

 

[dionysus]

I know I was just joking. Did you ever get any US coins in your change when you used to use cash?

Mostly quarters if I recall correctly, same size, different edges
Bills never mistaken as ours are coloured.
We had a golf course and a fair few Americans, and some of the change was US quarters; we paid par.
Bills, we'd give the difference

 

[dionysus]

Should be a strange week
Two organizers arrested
see how it all pans out.
Also, police stepping (up?) in.

 

[Steviedoo]

Trudeau needs a hair cut.

That’s the best part of him!

 

[dionysus]

That’s the best part of him!

ssHHHH, youll give the flat-earth society more reasons to think he's Castro's love-child

 

[slotplayer]

That’s the best part of him!

He was toting the beard there for a while.

 

[geordiecolin]

Well he can still discuss it and make representations to the province leaders?

His protest prohibition does not stretch to include immigrants,refugees and ethnic minorities probably to keep the WEF happy.He was asked in parliament what % of the population being vaccinated would make him lift the mandates and he refused to answer. That must of pissed a lot of people off. He paused and smirked after he stated in that press conference that they where a small fringe minority knowing it would rile the protesters and rally them support. It is a fight that he encouraged deliberately

 

[Kroffe]

That’s the best part of him!

If the best part of a Prime minister is the hair, theres a decent chance thats not a very good Prime minister.
But i have to admit im also weak for Prime ministers with great hair, Boris is my favorite.
He really takes the bedhead style to a whole new level.

 

[slotplayer]

Time for a Fox video.

 

[goatwack]

Y'all ready for the next variant?zzzzzzzz

Seems our SAGE chums are already lining up their next pay day, sorry, I meant to say 'predicting' the severity of the next variant, just when it looked like we were on the home straight.

Fear not, I'm sure leaders won't be running around like blue-arsed flies, and I'm sure the Media will downplay it in a calm and rational manner

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oh, and here's how the truckers are basically poster boys for the Far- Right (of course)

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[Steviedoo]

I think the millions of dollars raised in support is no mean feat and that alone could be seen as a triumph against an oppressive regime.

Along with the fuel stolen and then returned by the Police, five provinces back down over mandates, spur of protests around the world, throw in the character assassinations and misinformation about protests being anything but peaceful. Chuck in the emergency powers on top, and I would call it a triumph, and most definitely a demonstration of where the power ultimately lies if we band together. They were against the ropes for a while.

Have they been removed yet? New Police Chief reckons this weekend, doesn't he?

Not a bad result, however it plays out. If it gives some people a little encouragement to stand up for human rights and the rights of others, it's a success in my humble opinion.

Oppressive regime?
Are we talking about Canada?

Canada has

-paid maternity/paternity for a year.
-Free university.
-Paid unemployment benefits when you lose your job.
-Free medical system.
-Pension plans and social welfare for whose who need it.
And on and on.

When covid hit in March 2020. Within days of closures

-People were paid $2000 a month when they lost their job because of covid closures.
-Retirees over the age of 65 got their pensions supplemented.
-The government gave Businesses money to help with rent, loss of business paying for workers and and and ….
-billions of dollars were given away to private citizens and businesses alike for the last two years …

so PLEASE use the words oppressive regime for some other country other than Canada. You do not know the Canada we know. And it is diminishes the struggle of citizens in real oppressive regimes.

Real oppressive regimes don't mess around. They don't let truckers line the streets of their capitals with banners that say FUCK YOU to the dictator. For weeks on end.

The Canada you call an oppressive regime is a mature democracy, which is the envy of the world, despite its shortcomings. The same can be said of democracy in every province of this country.

You might wanna ask the Cuban activist who will now spend 28 years in prison because he took part in some protests last year in Cuba. Immediate action on the part of that dictator to get rid of all protests came swift and fast. Thousands were arrested and Within hours the protests were broken up. That is not freedom. That is an oppressive regime. And what were they protesting. Lack of food. Those who were arrested did not have the protection of a Bill of Rights and the "judges" who look into their case are not independent of politics. They ARE the political.

As for standing up for the privilege of not taking the vaccine. Good for them. But they do not represent the people of Canada.
Canada has a 90% vaccination rate.

70% of Canadians want them to leave the capital. Peacefully.

As for provinces lifting mandates cuz of the so called freedom convoy… each province prides itself on functioning independently within the country and they do not take kindly to people other than the powers that be in the provinces telling them what to do. If the mandates are being lifted it is purely political as there are provincial elections coming up.

 

[goatwack]

Are we talking about Canada as a whole and all its perks, or the current regime of oppressive gaslighting dorks that couldn't manage a piss-up in a brewery, I'm confused. Because if extolling the virtues of Trudeau and how he's conducted himself throughout this crisis, well, there's not much left to say other than LOL

 

[Steviedoo]

Are we talking about Canada as a whole and all its perks, or the current regime of oppressive gaslighting dorks that couldn't manage a piss-up in a brewery, I'm confused. Because if extolling the virtues of Trudeau and how he's conducted himself throughout this crisis, well, there's not much left to say other than

Is he incompetent? Yes.
Has he been a dick? Yes
Has he failed to handle this? Spectacularly!
Is he part of an oppressive regime? Please.

We had elections 3 months ago. Canada voted him in. So someone agrees with what he’s been doing.

They are so oppresssive they gave its citizens money for almost two years to stay home because of the pandemic.

 

[goatwack]

Is he incompetent? Yes.
Has he been a dick? Yes
Has he failed to handle this? Spectacularly!
Is he part of an oppressive regime? Please.

We had elections 3 months ago. Canada voted him in. So someone agrees with what he’s been doing.

Of course it's not comparable to the likes of Cuba or 'actual' suppression of a country's citizens, when looking at the 'overall' picture.

But what is this current governance if not oppressive? Emergency Act? Snipers? Seizing funds?

Even if just this one 'lapse' in his leadership, where's the line between a government acting swiftly and fairly and using fire & brimstone without exploring other options first?

 

[dionysus]

Again, it isnt tear gas and rubber bullets - or even real bullets - in the streets
As a reminder, this was illegal protest and illegal blockade, and the people spoke clearly...'move along'
It went...and went...and now it's time it actually....went

 

[dionysus]

Should be a strange week
Two organizers arrested
see how it all pans out.
Also, police stepping (up?) in.

add a third to the list

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[dionysus]

If nothing else, a wee bit interesting and telling that, the people willing to 'fight' for 'our' freedoms here in the forum, dont live here
And the ones that do here on the forum, actually live here, be, look we're a'ight...a'ight?

 

[goatwack]

We'd do it too but we're basically pussies - albeit when push comes to shove it may 'stoke' a different response from certain people. And no, I'm not talking about Far- Right Master Dragons and extremists, but everyday people too.

Somewhat ironic that Boris, for all his bumbling, gaffe- ridden exploits has actually kept 'freedoms' as best as he could, certainly when you look around at other parts of the world....

 

[dionysus]

Honestly, we've not really lost freedoms, perhaps a few taken-for-granted-privileges.
I go out all the time, hang at friends, whatever hours, fam over, get my take out, shop, what-not

It's tougher, sure, it's rough everywhere.
Life truck on, ya?
Jab. Don't jab.We still go out and live. And to point out, the vast, VAST majority of us, got our shots not seeing it as some undue burden.

 

[Kroffe]

VAST majority of us, got shot not seeing it as some undue burden.

Thats does not sound true.

Im starting to think that thing you said about 10% putting their sweaty ballsacks on gym equipment was also something you made up.
That sounds way to high, i have never seen anyone do it.

 

[dionysus]

Thats does not sound true.

Im starting to think that thing you said about 10% putting their sweaty ballsacks on gym equipment was also something you made up.
That sounds way to high, i have never seen anyone do it.

well, yes, gym to most people, is a place you go to to work-out, not sitting in some frozen, icy hole to then jump in a backyard sauna with the local chickens

 

[goatwack]

Yeah, I've seen the 'outlines' of previous gym users' balls on the seats before they waddle off, and yeah, I've sat in them

 

[sufferinsilence]

Pretty sure Fox and the likes were hoping the freedumb convoys would've taken off in the USA and Europe too. Sadly when one was organised to block Brussels about 50 vehicles showed up and there were about 200 protestors in the streets

 

[goatwack]

Pretty sure Fox and the likes were hoping the freedumb convoys would've taken off in the USA and Europe too. Sadly when one was organised to block Brussels about 50 vehicles showed up and there were about 200 protestors in the streets

Hard to decipher which side your bread is buttered on, what, with them freedumb convoys an' all

 

[dionysus]

Hard to decipher which side your bread is buttered on, what, with them freedumb convoys an' all

well, not as clever as Fidel Castreau, granted

 

[sufferinsilence]

Hard to decipher which side your bread is buttered on, what, with them freedumb convoys an' all

Oh, don't get me wrong: I believe in the right to legally protest. What I don't believe in is blocking streets for days on end, violence like throwing burning bins at the police or wrecking other peoples property. Things like that will only make it harder for others to get permits for protests.

 

[slotplayer]

Oppressive regime?
Are we talking about Canada?

Canada has

-paid maternity/paternity for a year.
-Free university.
-Paid unemployment benefits when you lose your job.
-Free medical system.
-Pension plans and social welfare for whose who need it.
And on and on.

When covid hit in March 2020. Within days of closures

-People were paid $2000 a month when they lost their job because of covid closures.
-Retirees over the age of 65 got their pensions supplemented.
-The government gave Businesses money to help with rent, loss of business paying for workers and and and ….
-billions of dollars were given away to private citizens and businesses alike for the last two years …

so PLEASE use the words oppressive regime for some other country other than Canada. You do not know the Canada we know. And it is diminishes the struggle of citizens in real oppressive regimes.

Real oppressive regimes don't mess around. They don't let truckers line the streets of their capitals with banners that say FUCK YOU to the dictator. For weeks on end.

The Canada you call an oppressive regime is a mature democracy, which is the envy of the world, despite its shortcomings. The same can be said of democracy in every province of this country.

You might wanna ask the Cuban activist who will now spend 28 years in prison because he took part in some protests last year in Cuba. Immediate action on the part of that dictator to get rid of all protests came swift and fast. Thousands were arrested and Within hours the protests were broken up. That is not freedom. That is an oppressive regime. And what were they protesting. Lack of food. Those who were arrested did not have the protection of a Bill of Rights and the "judges" who look into their case are not independent of politics. They ARE the political.

As for standing up for the privilege of not taking the vaccine. Good for them. But they do not represent the people of Canada.
Canada has a 90% vaccination rate.

70% of Canadians want them to leave the capital. Peacefully.

As for provinces lifting mandates cuz of the so called freedom convoy… each province prides itself on functioning independently within the country and they do not take kindly to people other than the powers that be in the provinces telling them what to do. If the mandates are being lifted it is purely political as there are provincial elections coming up.

I gave you a like just for the effort.

 

[mack341]

Time for a Fox video.

Sad situation for that lady, and likely the culprits won't face any consequences from the authorities. Jesse is quite a strong presenter in his own right these days.

 

[goatwack]

Sad situation for that lady, and likely the culprits won't face any consequences from the authorities. Jesse is quite a strong presenter in his own right these days.

Well to be fair she is bankrolling and funding extreme peaceful protests, so that's every reason to make her and her family's life a misery, right?

......right?

 

[dionysus]

Peaceful you mean, if you dont count the harrassment and the hate mongering on the other side as well.
Fox doesnt report that though, doesnt fit their narrative ...remember, youre only a lunatic if youre on the left

 

[goatwack]

Peaceful you mean, if you dont count the harrassment and the hate mongering on the other side as well.
Fox doesnt report that though, doesnt fit their narrative ...remember, youre only a lunatic if youre on the left

We're not getting any of that, even in the alternative news outlets. It's depicted as fairly restrained protests, with no cars aflame or Molotov cocktails being thrown at police. If anyone wants to show these incidents to us foreigners then I'm all ears. And eyes

 

[mack341]

Peaceful you mean, if you dont count the harrassment and the hate mongering on the other side as well.
Fox doesnt report that though, doesnt fit their narrative ...remember, youre only a lunatic if youre on the left

Exaggerations, labelling average law abiding type folk as terrorists is okay, not hate mongering?

Just let the truckers make their own health decisions and none of this need happen, that's the moderate position.

 

[dionysus]

I dont much read or watch the foreign outlets unless it's on my feed, generally just the various city outlets here rearding the convoy.
I'm not going scrolling, but there's been plenty bile and vitiol on the convoy side. Defaced statues and walls, shattered windows, cat-calling and slurs etc.
There's whack-jobs either side.

By and large, it's peaceful, but for the zealots, wherever they happen to lean on the spectrum.

But it's a given, Fox news...sorry, my bad...Fox 'Entertainment' showcases the right and juicy bits

 

[Steviedoo]

Truckers putting their children up front between police and themselves. This is what being reported.

 

[mack341]

Probably more like the police instructed to physically remove the children into temporary care, and the media twisting it.

 

[goatwack]

Without seeing the context of what's reported, how and by whom, I still find it incredulous that these protestors would, what, use their kids as human shields now? Is that what some genuinely believe with a straight face?

 

[geordiecolin]

Truckers putting their children up front between police and themselves. This is what being reported.

That is what the government and media want their acolytes to swallow and they will do hook line and sinker. Really!

 

[geordiecolin]

Without seeing the context of what's reported, how and by whom, I still find it incredulous that these protestors would, what, use their kids as human shields now? Is that what some genuinely believe with a straight face?

It is utter stupidity unless they have put crisis actors like the nazi banner waving guy who was totally unverified btw

 

[sufferinsilence]

Without seeing the context of what's reported, how and by whom, I still find it incredulous that these protestors would, what, use their kids as human shields now? Is that what some genuinely believe with a straight face?

In the Dutch and Belgian Telegram groups some people have said to use kids as a shield between them and the riot police because then they wouldn't be able to charge or use the water cannon.

I've also seen on livestreams of protests they were sending kids with banners towards the front whilst others were throwing bricks and other materials at the police.

This is a screenshot from one of the organisers of the big protests in Brussels late last year and early this year, he's basically saying "to put the kids at the front because that's the safest". Make of it what you want.

 

[mack341]

It is utter stupidity unless they have put crisis actors like the nazi banner waving guy who was totally unverified btw

Yes there's going to be a strong element of seeing what you want to believe in the 'truckers are terrorists' section, one instance repeatedly shown on tv allows broad brush strokes to be painted.

 

[dionysus]

By and large, they are peaceful protesters
Illegal protesters, granted