Corona virus - Covid 19 discussion

[mack341]

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[geordiecolin]

Boris can feck right off

 

[dealer wins]

Is there anyone that still thinks this is about a virus?

 

[geordiecolin]

Is there anyone that still thinks this is about a virus?

 

[geordiecolin]

 

[dealer wins]

This guys a legend, seen many of his brilliant youtube vids!! I remember the one when he was an anal lifeguard lol

 

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[ladyhawke]

Must admit, I watched the video and just thought 'well there is nothing to back what she is saying'.

And therein lies the problem.

There is so much misinformation, disinformation, lies, half-truths, truths, misunderstandings, manipulation of data etc. permeating almost all of our available resources, whatever the medium, it is no longer possible to see the wood for the trees.

So unless everything is backed by verifiable evidence, rather than 'someone told me', or 'I spoke to someone', or 'my friend's friend's friend's brother told me', then how can we work through the minefield this whole thing has become, and find out the truth.

Not 'our truth', or the truth we would like to believe, but the actual truth?

Personally, I'm afraid we are too far down the road to change the situation, as by now most people's views are too firmly ingrained to be challenged successfully.

 

[electronictonic]

Another day another shitshow.

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A simple question should be posed to the FDA about their vaccine authorization position:

“How does a person give ‘informed consent‘ when the information is withheld?“

Perhaps the judge in the case against the FDA will ask the question, perhaps not, but the question remains.

The FDA took a grand total of 108 days to decide the Pfizer vaccine was safe, given the data shared with them by the pharmaceutical company. The same FDA is now saying they need 75 years to provide the public with the same data. This is not a confidence building position by a federal regulatory agency attempting to instill public confidence.

Aaron Siri, the lawyer suing the FDA to get custody of the documents used by the FDA in approving the vaccine, is providing an update today Mr Siri notes the FDA is now saying they will not be able to complete fulfillment of the public records release until the year 2096.


“My firm, on behalf of PHMPT, asked that this information be disclosed in 108 days – the same amount of time it took for the FDA to review and license Pfizer’s vaccine.

 

[Jono777]

Another day another shitshow.

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A simple question should be posed to the FDA about their vaccine authorization position:

“How does a person give ‘informed consent‘ when the information is withheld?“

Perhaps the judge in the case against the FDA will ask the question, perhaps not, but the question remains.

The FDA took a grand total of 108 days to decide the Pfizer vaccine was safe, given the data shared with them by the pharmaceutical company. The same FDA is now saying they need 75 years to provide the public with the same data. This is not a confidence building position by a federal regulatory agency attempting to instill public confidence.

Aaron Siri, the lawyer suing the FDA to get custody of the documents used by the FDA in approving the vaccine, is providing an update today Mr Siri notes the FDA is now saying they will not be able to complete fulfillment of the public records release until the year 2096.


“My firm, on behalf of PHMPT, asked that this information be disclosed in 108 days – the same amount of time it took for the FDA to review and license Pfizer’s vaccine.

Pointless then

Vaccine 7.25Zmrph will have been administered globally by then and all that will remain of humanity will be those who avoided being eaten by Zombies.

The Walking Dead was far from fictional, more of a warning of what is to come.

 

[KasinoKing]

Have to somewhat disagree with basic masks protecting people from getting Covid. They don't offer complete protection if much at all IMO, unless the masks you wear are medical grade FPP3 in the EU and UK or N95 masks in the US. This is also the reason why there was so much media outcry last year with the lack of medical PPE in the UK and elsewhere

My wife tested positive on a LFT on Sunday and her PCR taken on Monday confirmed said result. I in turn tested positive on a LFT test on Thurs and this was confirmed with my PCR taken the same day.

With my wife's work the week prior, she had to get in a taxi to go to another site. She was wearing one of these cheap masks, this is most likely where she got it.

Not saying they don't offer some protection, but most certainly don't think you are covered.

Interestingly enough on the vaccines, but myself and my wife have had two doses of Astra Zenica, yet we caught Covid. My son has had one shot of Pfizer a few weeks back at school. His PCR came back negative and every day is still getting a negative LFT. Yet even though we are trying to be careful, he is in a house with his mum and dad and sister all with Covid.

Add to the fact that the UK is only now using Moderna and Pfizer for the booster campaign, seems that AZ is the poor man's vaccine.

Hope you guys are OK?

Almost the exact same story here: I tested positive last Friday, and my wife & daughter on Saturday.
I was pretty rough Weds & Thurs before getting tested - but no worse than the bad colds I often get this time of year anyway. The main difference was the loss of smell & taste, like you. I am now MUCH better, and the other 2 are nearly clear too.
My son had Covid 2 months ago and has stayed clear this time around.

It was also AZ for me last spring. There is no way of knowing if the vaccine saved me from a worse fate, but being "clinically vulnerable" I was very glad I got vaccinated at my earliest opportunity.

They give a different booster because it is supposed to be more effective. Ironically I had my Moderna booster the Sunday before I fell ill - and at first I thought my symptoms could have been caused by that! But it's more likely that I already had Covid before the jab... or that I caught it while being vaccinated!

Now counting down the days to the end of my 10-day isolation - just a few more to go!

Stay safe,
Mark.

 

[geordiecolin]

Jobs for the boys will see this dismissed

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[dealer wins]

Get the vaccine, get the vaccine. After 2 lethal injections you are now told its completely SHIT and gives you ZERO protection.

Anyone still believing this is about a virus, well good luck if you have taken this mRNA death juice!!

 

[mack341]

The French professor Luc Montagnier (nobel prize winning, and 20 other major awards) predicted a while back that the engineered parts of the virus, which made it so virulent and dangerous, will gradually disappear:

“Nature does not accept any molecular tinkering, it will eliminate these unnatural changes and even if nothing is done, things will get better, but unfortunately after many deaths.”

Hopefully that's what we're seeing now, the weakening back to more of a coronavirus cold, like the other 4 in that virus family.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Get the vaccine, get the vaccine. After 2 lethal injections you are now told its completely SHIT and gives you ZERO protection.

Anyone still believing this is about a virus, well good luck if you have taken this mRNA death juice!!

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Firstly, the headline is misleading. 2 jabs are not effective against symptomatic disease but are still effective against severe illness and death...which is what the vaccines were created for in the first place.

Secondly, do you not understand how viruses work? I'm guessing you don't because if you did then you'd realise that they constantly mutate. Most of these mutations meet a dead end and that lineage fizzles out. Occasionally a mutation will occur that gives the virus an advantage in its survival (more transmissible or immune evading). This can render original vaccines less effective.

Omicron is that contagious that most of us in the UK are probably going to fall ill with it between now and January. If you're not vaxxed at all then good luck to you. Prior infection will not suffice as the immunity that you will have will be too specific to act quick enough against this particular mutation.

Seriously, if you just took the time to educate yourself rather than willingly plundering rabbit holes of conspiracy and paranoia, you'd see things a lot clearer...you'd help yourself and others around you.

 

[ladyhawke]

The French professor Luc Montagnier (nobel prize winning, and 20 other major awards) predicted a while back that the engineered parts of the virus, which made it so virulent and dangerous, will gradually disappear:

“Nature does not accept any molecular tinkering, it will eliminate these unnatural changes and even if nothing is done, things will get better, but unfortunately after many deaths.”

Hopefully that's what we're seeing now, the weakening back to more of a coronavirus cold, like the other 4 in that virus family.

Regrettably, Luc Montagnier appears to have long been on the anti-vaccine bandwagon. As far back as 2012, a group of 35 Nobel laureates, led by Richard Roberts (a molecular biologist) were concerned that Montagnier's theories and unorthodox research in his role of Scientific Director at Cameroon's Chantal Biya International Reference Centre (CIRCB) were contrary to scientific mainstream guidelines, and included suggestions that:

"...water can retain a ‘memory’ of pathogens that are no longer present; that the DNA sequences of pathogens emit electromagnetic waves that could be used to diagnose disease; and that stimulating the immune system with antioxidants and nutritional supplements may help people to fight off AIDS."

Such a shame that a man who used to be absolutely brilliant has fallen so far.

 

[ladyhawke]

The Walking Dead was far from fictional, more of a warning of what is to come.

The Walking Dead has at its central core themes of "fear, betrayal, sacrifice, hope, leadership and, the conflict between good and bad", and most of those are certainly relevant in today's climate, although depending on what country you reside in, the role of "leadership" is a contentious issue.

 

[mack341]

Regrettably, Luc Montagnier appears to have long been on the anti-vaccine bandwagon. As far back as 2012, a group of 35 Nobel laureates, led by Richard Roberts (a molecular biologist) were concerned that Montagnier's theories and unorthodox research in his role of Scientific Director at Cameroon's Chantal Biya International Reference Centre (CIRCB) were contrary to scientific mainstream guidelines, and included suggestions that:

"...water can retain a ‘memory’ of pathogens that are no longer present; that the DNA sequences of pathogens emit electromagnetic waves that could be used to diagnose disease; and that stimulating the immune system with antioxidants and nutritional supplements may help people to fight off AIDS."

Such a shame that a man who used to be absolutely brilliant has fallen so far.

I think it's wrong to conclude his judgement and intelligence are no more because some of his research challenges scientific orthodoxy, that's the way it has to be, discoverers are always denounced etc...

If the virus was engineered/manipulated, his opinion that those parts will be lost in time does make sense to me, because they've been artificially inserted, and nature likes efficiency.

Once the natural virus parts mutate, the artificial sections which they were connected to, can't mutate with them in sync. That's my layman's idea of the situation. So the parts with most natural affinity to each other, emerge. I hope he's right anyway!

 

[bamberfishcake]

If you're not vaxxed at all then good luck to you. Prior infection will not suffice as the immunity that you will have will be too specific to act quick enough against this particular mutation.

Good luck to those that are vaccinated also Good luck to all, we don't need to be so divisive over this.

Natural immunity beats mankind tinkering with nature every day of the week and has been proven throughout history time and time again.

Unfortunately, it is not as simple as plundering rabbit holes and conspiracy theories.

I personally think it's foolish to believe in a government that has taken the opportunity to line their pockets and others, sprayed conflicting information from the start and failed to take the necessary precautions to safeguard their flock like shutting down airports and locking down the country properly.

 

[interlog]

Good luck to those that are vaccinated also Good luck to all, we don't need to be so divisive over this.

Natural immunity beats mankind tinkering with nature every day of the week and has been proven throughout history time and time again.

Unfortunately, it is not as simple as plundering rabbit holes and conspiracy theories.

I personally think it's foolish to believe in a government that has taken the opportunity to line their pockets and others, sprayed conflicting information from the start and failed to take the necessary precautions to safeguard their flock like shutting down airports and locking down the country properly.

That same Government also tried to rely on the common sense of it's flock by advising them to be sensible over a bank holiday weekend and follow social distance guidance. We all know what happened there (crowded beaches etc.) it resulting in a forced lock down that I guess they wanted to avoid as it limits the freedom of movement that we are all entitled to.

You have to weigh up what you do to the flock before you force a restriction of freedom of movement on them. I guess it is not a decision to be taken lightly and is easily made with the benefit of hindsight,

 

[bamberfishcake]

That same Government also tried to rely on the common sense of it's flock by advising them to be sensible over a bank holiday weekend and follow social distance guidance. We all know what happened there (crowded beaches etc.) it resulting in a forced lock down that I guess they wanted to avoid as it limits the freedom of movement that we are all entitled to.

You have to weigh up what you do to the flock before you force a restriction of freedom of movement on them. I guess it is not a decision to be taken lightly and is easily made with the benefit of hindsight,

I don't think the government had any confidence in the common sense of the people. I believe they knew exactly what would happen. It reminds me of that Boris Johnson song on youtube 'Blame it on the public'. These people are not stupid.

They choose wealth over health every time.

We were in a unique geographical position in that locking down the UK is much easier than any other country in Europe. Same with this new variant, should not even make it to our shores. If not closing the airports, definitive testing of everyone who comes in or goes out should be standard. Instead, they give the illusion of giving freedom, in terms of allowing us to use our common sense, fully aware of the results before they happen.

p.s. the same government who allowed the black lives matter protests to occur, were they not aware of the potential repercussions? They know exactly what is happening and is going to happen by design.

 

[interlog]

I don't think the government had any confidence in the common sense of the people. I believe they knew exactly what would happen. It reminds me of that Boris Johnson song on youtube 'Blame it on the public'. These people are not stupid.

They choose wealth over health every time.

We were in a unique geographical position in that locking down the UK is much easier than any other country in Europe. Same with this new variant, should not even make it to our shores. If not closing the airports, definitive testing of everyone who comes in or goes out should be standard. Instead, they give the illusion of giving freedom, in terms of allowing us to use our common sense, fully aware of the results before they happen.

p.s. the same government who allowed the black lives matter protests to occur, were they not aware of the potential repercussions? They know exactly what is happening and is going to happen by design.

Closing of borders for how long? Compulsory testing for how long? You can't isolate yourself from the rest of the world indefinitely. The virus is still around in the rest of the world and until it doesn't exist any longer you have to balance the risk of it entering the country and inconveniencing the population by effectively holding them prisoner on the island.

 

[bamberfishcake]

Closing of borders for how long? Compulsory testing for how long? You can't isolate yourself from the rest of the world indefinitely. The virus is still around in the rest of the world and until it doesn't exist any longer you have to balance the risk of it entering the country and inconveniencing the population by effectively holding them prisoner on the island.

I agree that you cant isolate yourself from the rest of the world and I didn't say indefinitely. Not sure where you got that from.

Hardcore testing of people as they pass through would have sufficed.

Getting PPE out where it was needed at a reasonable cost would have sufficed.

Enforcing proper lockdowns would have sufficed.

Obeying your own rules would have sufficed.

Not shutting down questions from medical experts and being more transparent in an open forum would have been of huge benefit.

We are way apart in our way of thinking, you have much more faith than I do.

 

[dealer wins]

NEWSFLASH, a truthful article in the mainstream media

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[geordiecolin]

I just caught the Metro then a bus back from a night oot in Newcastle

 

[mack341]

( Twinned with luc montagnier's prediction, things could maybe make more sense?? Extraordinary data requires an extraordinary cause/reason/explanation )

 

[mack341]

Boris to make an announcement tonight at 8pm, this is ominous they don't normally do them on a sunday or at that time, when typically the whole nation is sat in front of the tv.

What is so urgent 24hrs couldn't wait...

Apparently, according to the bbc they've been told no new rules will be announced, so it could be just bojo using it as a chance to look serious and concerned, apologise etc..I believe there is a by-election very soon that he doesn't want to lose.

 

[geordiecolin]

Its ok for Doris to tell everyone to get your booster now at 8pm in the evening when he is in central London.We don't all live close to a dealer

 

[mack341]

I think the main purpose of tonight was to apply pressure to rebel tory MPs, with key votes on tuesday 20-30 could be dismissed as eccentrics but if 60 rebel that spells danger for boris and the government, it means he's almost relying on the labour MPs votes to make laws and govern.

 

[geordiecolin]

I think the main purpose of tonight was to apply pressure to rebel tory MPs, with key votes on tuesday 20-30 could be dismissed as eccentrics but if 60 rebel that spells danger for boris and the government, it means he's almost relying on the labour MPs votes to make laws and govern.

I think that those Tories will step in line to save their arses.

Some light bedtime reading

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[geordiecolin]

In New Zealand a man had 10 jabs in a day on behalf of other people

 

[geordiecolin]

My ticket's booked. Straight from the horses mouth

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[mack341]

There's something not right with that Ardern woman, she's my idea of a nightmare come true, smiling while she goes about destroying things.

 

[geordiecolin]

There's something not right with that Ardern woman, she's my idea of a nightmare come true, smiling while she goes about destroying things.

I can see her presiding over an orgy. This is her real voice

 

[thr0b]

I got my booster at a walk in centre in Saturday. It also seems I caught Covid at the same time, which is an amusing irony.

 

[geordiecolin]

I got my booster at a walk in centre in Saturday. It also seems I caught Covid at the same time, which is an amusing irony.

I was out in Newcastle on Saturday night and it was packed with hardly a mask in sight. I seem to pick up something each time I go out with crowds these days which I suspect is a result of lockdowns and my immunity being effected

 

[mack341]

Ventilation in shops, especially ones inside shopping centres, GPs, nhs, govt offices etc... is woeful. To think of the packed Christmas sales after and even on boxing day, have to wonder with omicron and bojo's warnings whether they will be officially blocked from occurring.

Then again in normal times the immune system needs challenges afaik, but obviously sensible to avoid unnecessary covid risks/behaviour.

And if you do get covid, ensure you're getting plenty of fresh air, as breathing back in the virus that you've exhaled is not good.

 

[pinnit2014]

Ventilation in shops, especially ones inside shopping centres, GPs, nhs, govt offices etc... is woeful. To think of the packed Christmas sales after and even on boxing day, have to wonder with omicron and bojo's warnings whether they will be officially blocked from occurring.

Then again in normal times the immune system needs challenges afaik, but obviously sensible to avoid unnecessary covid risks/behaviour.

And if you do get covid, ensure you're getting plenty of fresh air, as breathing back in the virus that you've exhaled is not good.

Pleased to know in these tough economic times the Scot Govt have made available (maybe England too?) - Ventiliation Grants - giving businesses money for unblocking windows etc. Why put your foot through a window free of charge when 2k grants will do - Yet, gigs are ok, but you can't be in a shop with 3 other people without a window being cracked open?

No wonder people think this is all a load of horseshit.

 

[goatwack]

Isn't there a point where the incessant booster boosts will end up compromising the immune system, as opposed to aiding it, whereby it becomes so weakened by never having to do any of the work itself?

Jab upon jab upon jab, it'll get to the stage where stepping into a crowd of people will result in insta-boils and swooning, before crawling home on all fours and hitting the Lemsips for daring to defy over-reliance on man-made, work-in-progress jibby jabbies.

But then, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy after all. Become ill more easily, take more shots, immune system gets weaker, get ill more easily, take another shot etc

You'd almost, almost think Big Pharma's laughing their proverbial socks off at how conditioned people have become, and how readily they've accepted the cyclical coercion and willingness to overuse their products

 

[geordiecolin]

Ventilation in shops, especially ones inside shopping centres, GPs, nhs, govt offices etc... is woeful. To think of the packed Christmas sales after and even on boxing day, have to wonder with omicron and bojo's warnings whether they will be officially blocked from occurring.

Then again in normal times the immune system needs challenges afaik, but obviously sensible to avoid unnecessary covid risks/behaviour.

And if you do get covid, ensure you're getting plenty of fresh air, as breathing back in the virus that you've exhaled is not good.

I was in the bars with strangers shouting in my face to be heard. Life needs to go on. Ive got symptoms of having a cold but thats what our immunity needs-to exchange bodily secretions

 

[geordiecolin]

Isn't there a point where the incessant booster boosts will end up compromising the immune system, as opposed to aiding it, whereby it becomes so weakened by never having to do any of the work itself?

Jab upon jab upon jab, it'll get to the stage where stepping into a crowd of people will result in insta-boils and swooning, before crawling home on all fours and hitting the Lemsips for daring to defy over-reliance on man-made, work-in-progress jibby jabbies.

But then, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy after all. Become ill more easily, take more shots, immune system gets weaker, get ill more easily, take another shot etc

You'd almost, almost think Big Pharma's laughing their proverbial socks off at how conditioned people have become, and how readily they've accepted the cyclical coercion and willingness to overuse their products

And New Zealand have a fund that pays journalist to pump out government fear porn

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[mack341]

I was in the bars with strangers shouting in my face to be heard. Life needs to go on. Ive got symptoms of having a cold but thats what our immunity needs-to exchange bodily secretions

Yeah we do, I'm in favour of the original swedish approach. Some precautions and mostly advice. Stopping youngsters and the healthy from gaining broad natural immunity to covid is/was a questionable goal, from my understanding that kind of immunity in the community does protect others.

 

[geordiecolin]

My ticket's booked. Straight from the horses mouth

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I would love to witness the confusion at a trans gender orgy. punch ups over who does what to who?

 

[mack341]

I would love to witness the confusion at a trans gender orgy. punch ups over who does what to who?

It can be arranged

 

[goatwack]

They'd spend so long attempting not to offend each other that no slap & tickle would ever commence

"You're a great lover but please don't mis-gender me, Bertie"

 

[pinnit2014]

You also get free tampons here in Scotland.

Just saying incase anyone's interested

State subsidised period period products, for state subsidised kids, on state subsidised school meals

Welcome to socialist utopia where everything is free, except, it ain't.

Oh, and we also pay more tax than our southern comrades - woo hoo!

 

[geordiecolin]

You also get free tampons here in Scotland.

Just saying incase anyone's interested

State subsidised period period products, for state subsidised kids, on state subsidised school meals

Welcome to socialist utopia where everything is free, except, it ain't.

Oh, and we also pay more tax than our southern comrades - woo hoo!

I really feel for the Scots genders being misappropriated

 

[geordiecolin]

It can be arranged

I'll be UP for that

 

[geordiecolin]

Jacinta Hardon displaying a package while preparing to announce the orgy mandate

 

[geordiecolin]

Baaaah!