Corona virus - Covid 19 discussion

[sufferinsilence]

They're slightly early with Omicron then. Epsilon through Mu were "duds", Nu and Ksi aren't going to be used.

What's on the left side of the slide? Is it conveniently being left off? I'd like to see the whole thing. Every picture I've seen of this "chart" leaves it off, makes me suspicious.

 

[geordiecolin]

They're slightly early with Omicron then. Epsilon through Mu were "duds", Nu and Ksi aren't going to be used.

What's on the left side of the slide? Is it conveniently being left off? I'd like to see the whole thing. Every picture I've seen of this "chart" leaves it off, makes me suspicious.

We can look forward to sharing some Pi soon

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[geordiecolin]

Just chill

 

[sufferinsilence]

We can look forward to sharing some Pi soon

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[ladyhawke]

They're slightly early with Omicron then. Epsilon through Mu were "duds", Nu and Ksi aren't going to be used.

What's on the left side of the slide? Is it conveniently being left off? I'd like to see the whole thing. Every picture I've seen of this "chart" leaves it off, makes me suspicious.

You mean this...

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[geordiecolin]

Ang Lee has put in a bid to buy the rights to the movie so I hear

 

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[geordiecolin]

Readng the papers recently they can drag any old wit to bolster there message on any old bullshit they want too to scare the masses into taking the jab. Where is the old critical thinking gone?

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Readng the papers recently they can drag any old wit to bolster there message on any old bullshit they want too to scare the masses into taking the jab. Where is the old critical thinking gone?

What’s the purpose of ‘scaring the masses into taking the jab’?

Why do people get het up about these COVID jabs yet have never got their knickers in a twist about the flu jab that has been administered for donkeys years? The flu being a factor of circa ten times less deadly than COVID of course.

Some proper mental gymnastics and gaslighting of people by individuals who, have some warped notion that this pandemic has been constructed for some nefarious reason.

You call it critical thinking, quite frankly I call it a load of codswallop.

 

[mack341]

The flu being a factor of circa ten times less deadly than COVID of course.

Have you got any peer reviewed sources that confirm this?

Annual flu deaths total around 8,000 in an average year, with the elderly vaccinated, and the same people will also be more vulnerable to covid- risk is stratified- another thing to consider is the most serious reactions to the vax have occurred in the younger age groups (probably <50)

Natural immunity is broader than vaccine acquired, but you may face greater risk from the infection in order to gain it, on the other hand you have zero risk of a vax reaction. [The vax scientist Geert vanden bossche has written about other possible issues such as antigenic sin, not sure if he is overstating the risks]

We're seeing people in europe, and elsewhere, penalised for what should be an individual's right to decide what goes into their body. Many including doctors and scientists are against coercion and mandates, but the politicians appear on a set path.

 

[goatwack]

I get why people are scared - it is after all the greatest pandemic the media's ever delighted in, what, with its thrillingly-high survival rates.

I'm also fully aware of the absurdities being peddled on both sides, particularly of the 'uninformed, unvaxxed dumb-dumb' variety.

Yet more of greater concern is how the masses have been brainwashed into believing governments' methods of coercion and outright threats are somehow ok, or that personal freedoms are now throwaway. Or how someone can walk along a quiet road on their lonesome wearing a mask.

Fact is no one's likely to change their minds about vaccinations/boosters, because seemingly people have been split into two factions. Those that have had it somehow feel morally obliged to lecture those that haven't, and vice-versa.

We're also seeing overreaction on a massive scale, and the realization that 'No jab, no job', actual detainment camps being built for the 'unwilling', "Papers please" at venues, lockdowns for the unvaxxed and so forth, and yet people think this is ok, still......

So yes, critical thought went out of the window a long time ago. To be honest the only thing that frightens me about this whole sham is people's sheep-like subservience, and that there's so much gov love around

 

[sufferinsilence]

I see alot of so called critical thinking in here tho. So my conclusion is it didn't go out the window.

 

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[geordiecolin]

I get why people are scared - it is after all the greatest pandemic the media's ever delighted in, what, with its thrillingly-high survival rates.

I'm also fully aware of the absurdities being peddled on both sides, particularly of the 'uninformed, unvaxxed dumb-dumb' variety.

Yet more of greater concern is how the masses have been brainwashed into believing governments' methods of coercion and outright threats are somehow ok, or that personal freedoms are now throwaway. Or how someone can walk along a quiet road on their lonesome wearing a mask.

Fact is no one's likely to change their minds about vaccinations/boosters, because seemingly people have been split into two factions. Those that have had it somehow feel morally obliged to lecture those that haven't, and vice-versa.

We're also seeing overreaction on a massive scale, and the realization that 'No jab, no job', actual detainment camps being built for the 'unwilling', "Papers please" at venues, lockdowns for the unvaxxed and so forth, and yet people think this is ok, still......

So yes, critical thought went out of the window a long time ago. To be honest the only thing that frightens me about this whole sham is people's sheep-like subservience, and that there's so much gov love around

What’s the purpose of ‘scaring the masses into taking the jab’?

Why do people get het up about these COVID jabs yet have never got their knickers in a twist about the flu jab that has been administered for donkeys years? The flu being a factor of circa ten times less deadly than COVID of course.

Some proper mental gymnastics and gaslighting of people by individuals who, have some warped notion that this pandemic has been constructed for some nefarious reason.

You call it critical thinking, quite frankly I call it a load of codswallop.

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[dealer wins]

This man Professor Sucharit Bhakdi has been calling for the vaccines to be abandoned for many months now, and has predicted these cardiac side effects and explained exactly why they would occur.

He now also explains why the vaccine doesnt even stop covid, and an easy way he can be fact checked about his claim the vaccines cause blood clotting all over the body.

Well worth a 10 min watch. And on Twitter several DRs have confirmed eye doctors have seen micro blood clots in the vaccinated's eyes.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

You do realise that COVID is not an exclusively respiratory disease? The effects of COVID on the body includes issues such as blood clots that can form on the lungs and elsewhere. It can affect various organs such as the heart and brain and has been linked to an increased risk of strokes and immune disorders. Someone I know has developed a lupus like disorder after contracting COVID.

I saw someone try to correlate an increase in medical emergencies in football crowds lately to the jabs- completely overlooking the fact that COVID infections are rife at the moment and could easily be caused by the effects of the virus itself.; even weeks after testing positive. The medical consensus is that you're more likely to get a clot from COVID itself than the jab.

You need to be aware, as much as you question the vaccines, that COVID is one hell of a nasty virus...and I suspect that the long term implications of a COVID infection in some individuals may not be realised until months or even years down the line.

Fair enough, don’t have the vaccine…that’s your choice but leave other people free from your anti vax propaganda and untruths.

 

[mack341]

You do realise that COVID is not an exclusively respiratory disease? The effects of COVID on the body includes issues such as blood clots that can form on the lungs and elsewhere. It can affect various organs such as the heart and brain and has been linked to an increased risk of strokes and immune disorders. Someone I know has developed a lupus like disorder after contracting COVID.

I saw someone try to correlate an increase in medical emergencies in football crowds lately to the jabs- completely overlooking the fact that COVID infections are rife at the moment and could easily be caused by the effects of the virus itself.; even weeks after testing positive. The medical consensus is that you're more likely to get a clot from COVID itself than the jab.

You need to be aware, as much as you question the vaccines, that COVID is one hell of a nasty virus...and I suspect that the long term implications of a COVID infection in some individuals may not be realised until months or even years down the line.

Fair enough, don’t have the vaccine…that’s your choice but leave other people free from your anti vax propaganda and untruths.

There is a lot I take issue with in your post, but you are free to post it.

You're also quite free to post the Vax benefits/good sides, but to insist others must not post criticisms or sceptical opinions regarding them here is wanting forum censorship.

The real world data on transmission, longevity of protection and adverse reactions is not great when compared to vaccines for other illnesses.

From the bbc today:

Scientists believe they have found "the trigger" that leads to extremely rare blood clots after the Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid vaccine.
The team - in Cardiff and the US - have shown in exquisite detail how a protein in the blood is attracted to a key component of the vaccine.
They think this kicks off a chain reaction, involving the immune system, that can culminate in dangerous clots.


From the telegraph recently, 740,000 urgent referrals for suspected cancer have been missed due to nhs prioritising covid over everything else. This must be in part due to excessive fear promoted by the govt/msm, censorship and a lack of critical thinking.

 

[geordiecolin]

There is a lot I take issue with in your post, but you are free to post it.

You're also quite free to post the Vax benefits/good sides, but to insist others must not post criticisms or sceptical opinions regarding them here is wanting forum censorship.

The real world data on transmission, longevity of protection and adverse reactions is not great when compared to vaccines for other illnesses.

From the bbc today:

Scientists believe they have found "the trigger" that leads to extremely rare blood clots after the Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid vaccine.
The team - in Cardiff and the US - have shown in exquisite detail how a protein in the blood is attracted to a key component of the vaccine.
They think this kicks off a chain reaction, involving the immune system, that can culminate in dangerous clots.


From the telegraph recently, 740,000 urgent referrals for suspected cancer have been missed due to nhs prioritising covid over everything else. This must be in part due to excessive fear promoted by the govt/msm, censorship and a lack of critical thinking.

90 freedom of information requests came back with zero proof that the virus has been isolated. Without it being isolated how could they produce a working vaccine and how could they detect variants and devise a vaccine that target those?

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[geordiecolin]

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[Kroffe]

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Old news, ive been boosting my immune system regularly for more years than i can remember.
Im immune to most diseases now, also knives, animal attacks and lava.

 

[geordiecolin]

Old news, ive been boosting my immune system regularly for more years than i can remember.
Im immune to most diseases now, also knives, animal attacks and lava.

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Wearing a shooting jacket?

 

[Kroffe]

Wearing a shooting jacket?

I dont know what that is, so maybe?

 

[Mr_Slot5]

There is a lot I take issue with in your post, but you are free to post it.

You're also quite free to post the Vax benefits/good sides, but to insist others must not post criticisms or sceptical opinions regarding them here is wanting forum censorship.

The real world data on transmission, longevity of protection and adverse reactions is not great when compared to vaccines for other illnesses.

From the bbc today:

Scientists believe they have found "the trigger" that leads to extremely rare blood clots after the Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid vaccine.
The team - in Cardiff and the US - have shown in exquisite detail how a protein in the blood is attracted to a key component of the vaccine.
They think this kicks off a chain reaction, involving the immune system, that can culminate in dangerous clots.


From the telegraph recently, 740,000 urgent referrals for suspected cancer have been missed due to nhs prioritising covid over everything else. This must be in part due to excessive fear promoted by the govt/msm, censorship and a lack of critical thinking.

Yeah, the article also says that clots from COVID itself are more common…which is the consensus of the medical field. AZ is barely administered in the UK anymore either, 3rd dose is usually Pfizer or Moderna.

The question you have to ask yourself is this- how many people were dropping dead to COVID before vaccines compared to now? The answer is an order of magnitudes more. The vaccines work.

As I said, by all means make the choice not to be vaccinated if you so wish but just understand it becomes a game of Russian roulette if you do fall sick to it.

 

[geordiecolin]

I dont know what that is, so maybe?

 

[geordiecolin]

American heart associations warning about vaccination risks banned by twitter

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[dealer wins]

You do realise that COVID is not an exclusively respiratory disease? The effects of COVID on the body includes issues such as blood clots that can form on the lungs and elsewhere. It can affect various organs such as the heart and brain and has been linked to an increased risk of strokes and immune disorders. Someone I know has developed a lupus like disorder after contracting COVID.

I saw someone try to correlate an increase in medical emergencies in football crowds lately to the jabs- completely overlooking the fact that COVID infections are rife at the moment and could easily be caused by the effects of the virus itself.; even weeks after testing positive. The medical consensus is that you're more likely to get a clot from COVID itself than the jab.

You need to be aware, as much as you question the vaccines, that COVID is one hell of a nasty virus...and I suspect that the long term implications of a COVID infection in some individuals may not be realised until months or even years down the line.

Fair enough, don’t have the vaccine…that’s your choice but leave other people free from your anti vax propaganda and untruths.

Problem is, no sportsmen or fans were collapsing with heart attacks last year, now its almost daily.

 

[sufferinsilence]

Problem is, no sportsmen or fans were collapsing with heart attacks last year, now its almost daily.

I'm sure you can show us reliable statistics about this then? Preferrably from the last 10 to 20 years because just comparing 1 year to the other isn't very representative.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Problem is, no sportsmen or fans were collapsing with heart attacks last year, now its almost daily.

We were locked down for most of last year and had ‘bubbles’. More people have had more chance to encounter COVID since last year, asymptomatic or otherwise.

A number of the people you talk about ‘collapsing’ hadn’t even had the vaccine…pretty sure Eriksen hadn’t for example when he took ill.

The damage that COVID does to the body is well documented. Of course, you have no interest of researching such things because it doesn’t suit your view.

 

[ladyhawke]

Problem is, no sportsmen or fans were collapsing with heart attacks last year, now its almost daily.

SNOPES - and other fact-checking sites - should be your friend before posting unsubstantiated "Rumour and Sigh". (ref: Richard Thomson's 1991 album).

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In November 2021, rumors claiming that an unusual number of athletes had fainted or collapsed in the last year were widely circulated online. These rumors were often accompanied by fear-mongering captions that warned people against receiving COVID-19 vaccines.

While this video shows real incidents from 2021, none of these incidents has been connected to the COVID-19 vaccine, other plausible explanations (such as dehydration or heat exhaustion) have been offered for these incidents, and a few of the clips in this video show athletes who were not vaccinated. There is no evidence that the COVID-19 vaccine has resulted in an increase in fainting incidents.

The above-displayed video features seven fainting incidents. We’ve been able to source six of the seven clips. None of the fainting incidents we were able to find more information on were caused by the COVID-19 vaccine.

 

[geordiecolin]

I laugh

 

[Mr_Slot5]

SNOPES - and other fact-checking sites - should be your friend before posting unsubstantiated "Rumour and Sigh". (ref: Richard Thomson's 1991 album).

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In November 2021, rumors claiming that an unusual number of athletes had fainted or collapsed in the last year were widely circulated online. These rumors were often accompanied by fear-mongering captions that warned people against receiving COVID-19 vaccines.

While this video shows real incidents from 2021, none of these incidents has been connected to the COVID-19 vaccine, other plausible explanations (such as dehydration or heat exhaustion) have been offered for these incidents, and a few of the clips in this video show athletes who were not vaccinated. There is no evidence that the COVID-19 vaccine has resulted in an increase in fainting incidents.

The above-displayed video features seven fainting incidents. We’ve been able to source six of the seven clips. None of the fainting incidents we were able to find more information on were caused by the COVID-19 vaccine.

You'll never get through to some people in any meaningful way.

They seem to act like COVID is the first ailment an mRNA vaccine has been developed for. Unfortunately some people are too far down the rabbit hole to be helped.

When you're vaccinating millions of people simultaneously of course rare events will appear more common. Here's a tip, go and have a gander at some of the severe side effects listed on prescribed medication....everything from antibiotics to blood pressure pills- you might be shocked at some of the potential consequences of taking those. Every medication on earth has risks attached.

 

[geordiecolin]

The most argument's I see in this thread are those based on those who put their trust in the media who are funded and fueled by those that are funded by organization's that fund them or prop them up.
Their argument or position is right there for them in the media that bolsters their argument. It takes away critical thinking and provides them with comfort in an argument.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

The most argument's I see in this thread are those based on those who put their trust in the media who are funded and fueled by those that are funded by organization's that fund them or prop them up.
Their argument or position is right there for them in the media that bolsters their argument. It takes away critical thinking and provides them with comfort in an argument.

My argument is based on sound medical science consensus. Not some fringe lunatics.

Every man and his dog is aware of pharma making dollar but, as I said, go and look at some of the potential side effects of almost every drug you take. As far as I'm aware, the morning after pill has a higher risk of serious side effects than these jabs. I'd hazard a guess that you've never turned around to a lady and said 'don't take that, you might get a clot'.

 

[geordiecolin]

My argument is based on sound medical science consensus. Not some fringe lunatics.

Every man and his dog is aware of pharma making dollar but, as I said, go and look at some of the potential side effects of almost every drug you take. As far as I'm aware, the morning after pill has a higher risk of serious side effects than these jabs. I'd hazard a guess that you've never turned around to a lady and said 'don't take that, you might get a clot'.

That is your argument basis?

 

[Mr_Slot5]

That is your argument basis?

You do realise that without vaccinations our life expectancy would probably be late 50s?

Do you realise how severe smallpox was, for example?

At the end of the day you can believe what you like. It all pieces together in your mind and you have made your mind up. That's how the human mind works most of the time. That's all good and well, it just means you'll most likely have to acquire natural immunity per strain. That's all good and well too. Just be aware that if you choose to go unvaccinated, you have a significantly higher chance of severe illness than someone fully jabbed.

The thing is, if you were given the choice of two slot machines...one with a 1% chance of a balance wipe out feature on any given spin or one with a 0.1% chance you'd pick the 0.1% slot because of the decreased odds. As a gambler you know how percentages and odds work.

 

[sufferinsilence]

90 freedom of information requests came back with zero proof that the virus has been isolated. Without it being isolated how could they produce a working vaccine and how could they detect variants and devise a vaccine that target those?

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I'm gonna be upfront about this and I don't really want to watch this interview.

Just wondering how they got genome sequencing of the original virus and all the variants if they have never been isolated. Or is all of that fake?

 

[Mr_Slot5]

I'm gonna be upfront about this and I don't really want to watch this interview.

Just wondering how they got genome sequencing of the original virus and all the variants if they have never been isolated. Or is all of that fake?

I find it quite crass that a video was linked entitled 'Does the virus exist?' There may be people reading this thread that have lost loved ones because of it.

As someone who has witnessed a work colleague of 11 years unable to walk more than 1m without collapsing in a heap of breathlessness (let me tell you it isn't a nice thing to see), I can't really blame you for not wanting to watch. I can only guess that no-one close to him has succumbed to this illness.

 

[ladyhawke]

Every man and his dog is aware of pharma making dollar...

Which drives the intensely fierce criticism that has accompanied the entire lifespan of vaccines developed during the Pandemic to date, in particular the following erroneous belief:

• Doctors paid by pharma companies are beholden to them and will skew data in the company’s favor.

Source: Forbes.

 

[geordiecolin]

You do realise that without vaccinations our life expectancy would probably be late 50s?

Do you realise how severe smallpox was, for example?

At the end of the day you can believe what you like. It all pieces together in your mind and you have made your mind up. That's how the human mind works most of the time. That's all good and well, it just means you'll most likely have to acquire natural immunity per strain. That's all good and well too. Just be aware that if you choose to go unvaccinated, you have a significantly higher chance of severe illness than someone fully jabbed.

The thing is, if you were given the choice of two slot machines...one with a 1% chance of a balance wipe out feature on any given spin or one with a 0.1% chance you'd pick the 0.1% slot because of the decreased odds. As a gambler you know how percentages and odds work.

You do realise that most anti covid vaccine folk are not anti vaxxers?
Most are pro natural immunity and do not wish to buy into the propaganda pushed by big pharma,governments and the media and who set pro/anti's apart.
It is quite obvious that most posters in here have their own minds made up and good luck to them. Those who have taken the shot are living in a world of stick or twist with the vaccines. I know many who have had bad reactions to the shot.Some are refusing to have the "booster"

 

[wyder33]

Which drives the intensely fierce criticism that has accompanied the entire lifespan of vaccines developed during the Pandemic to date, in particular the following erroneous belief:

• Doctors paid by pharma companies are beholden to them and will skew data in the company’s favor.

Source: Forbes.

I listen to educated people instead of Forbes. I know a world-class professor who works in the USA on a daily basis, he is a surgeon, he introduced the Davinci program in some countries. I remember what he did as soon as the graft appeared, he called his 92-year-old father to get vaccinated as soon as possible. Do you think he would do it if it was just a pharmaceutical lobby? It was right after the grafts were admitted to the European market and his father got vaccinated and lives to this day. Another issue is that unvaccinated people with Covid19 "take" bedrock from people with other diseases, not infrequently contributing to their premature death. Each system has a certain efficiency, if the health system becomes obstructed, this is what it looks like.

 

[mack341]

The vaccines do not prevent transmission, even bill gates has recently conceded better transmission blocking ones are required. Therefore anyone vulnerable to covid [perhaps their weakened immune system did not respond fully to the vaccines, the antibodies and t-cells were not produced in sufficient quantity] can still catch it from someone who is vaccinated. Hence france is now requiring a recent negative test as well for the vaccinated, in order to travel there.

The virus camps in the upper respiratory areas initially, then if not fought off goes into the lungs and elsewhere, that is where the vaccine works most, inside the body not on the respiratory surfaces.

During the first half of 2020 many doctors/scientists queried whether a successful vaccine for a coronavirus could be made, as it had never been possible before. Smallpox afaik did not mutate like covid19, and the death rate was 30% with horrific pus filled lesions all over the body. Covid's death rate is 1% and the average age over 80, that's not to say those people don't matter but is it right to try to terrify daily all ages and the healthy.

The issues of advantages and disadvantages are not cut and dry imo; medicines that cause side effects are often taken long term and the effects build up. Some people do react straightaway to penicillin, paracetemol etc...

You cannot undue a vaccine, it's effects are stored in the immune system memory, the long term safety data is not there, and even all the adverse reactions showing up in the short term are not being properly accounted.

edit: That's not to say I think the vaccine is useless and no one should bother, but it ought to be chosen freely, with informed consent. Not forced on people.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

The vaccines were never created on the premise they would halt transmission (sterilising immunity), the fact they reduced it was seen as a bonus.

They were made to significantly reduce severe illness and death…which they’ve accomplished.

 

[The Dude]

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Jeesus - I wish I was there - that's freaking hilarious.

The bottom line is that vaccines work. They are not there to prevent disease, they are there so you won't hopefully - get so ill that you're going to fill up a hospital bed. That's it.

No one wants to rush their kid, who has just got hit by a truck, to find the ER ward full of dumbshits who never got vaccinated. It's about protecting the system, it's not about protecting you. You live and participate in a civilized society. So quit being a crybaby, get your jabs, get your boosters - and put your fucking mask on.

 

[The Dude]

And the whiny bitches who can't be bothered to wear a mask in Tesco/Walmart for 15 minutes don't know what it's like being in MOPP4 in full combat gear in the freaking desert heat for HOURS at a time. Don't know what MOPP4 is? Google it.

And for getting "experimental" drugs shot up your ass - try getting some weird shit like Anthrax vaccines - and you don't have a choice - and you LIKE IT because you are A LEADER. Not some whiny bitch.

There - my two cents about all this vaccine crazy talk.

 

[geordiecolin]

And the whiny bitches who can't be bothered to wear a mask in Tesco/Walmart for 15 minutes don't know what it's like being in MOPP4 in full combat gear in the freaking desert heat for HOURS at a time. Don't know what MOPP4 is? Google it.

And for getting "experimental" drugs shot up your ass - try getting some weird shit like Anthrax vaccines - and you don't have a choice - and you LIKE IT because you are A LEADER. Not some whiny bitch.

There - my two cents about all this vaccine crazy talk.

You sound like you had a bad day!

 

[The Dude]

You sound like you had a bad day!

Nope - just expressing an opinion.

 

[mack341]

Good news from the legal/law arena for once, they're in danger of not being able to uphold some basic rights of citizens, against a backdrop of authoritarian concepts creeping in long term.

 

[ladyhawke]

Which drives the intensely fierce criticism that has accompanied the entire lifespan of vaccines developed during the Pandemic to date, in particular the following erroneous belief:

• Doctors paid by pharma companies are beholden to them and will skew data in the company’s favor.

Source: Forbes.

I listen to educated people instead of Forbes I know a world-class professor who works in the USA on a daily basis, he is a surgeon, he introduced the Davinci program in some countries. I remember what he did as soon as the graft appeared, he called his 92-year-old father to get vaccinated as soon as possible. Do you think he would do it if it was just a pharmaceutical lobby? It was right after the grafts were admitted to the European market and his father got vaccinated and lives to this day. Another issue is that unvaccinated people with Covid19 "take" bedrock from people with other diseases, not infrequently contributing to their premature death. Each system has a certain efficiency, if the health system becomes obstructed, this is what it looks like.

I think you have misunderstood my post. In fact, upon a re-read, I realise the point I was making wasn't very clear.

Forbes was listing a series of erroneous beliefs regarding Big Pharma, of which the quote I supplied was one. I should have stated more clearly that "in particular the following erroneous belief" related to opponents of Big Pharma, which is not a view Forbes shares.

I apologise for the confusion, although unlike yourself, I actually think Forbes can be a trusted site.

To conclude: I did wonder why @dealer wins liked my post, as he and I are at opposite ends of the political spectrum.

 

[mack341]

Good article by Allon Friedman who is a Professor of Medicine at Indiana University School of Medicine, carries a bit more weight and sense compared to say Sid from down the pub.

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[geordiecolin]

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Jeesus - I wish I was there - that's freaking hilarious.

The bottom line is that vaccines work. They are not there to prevent disease, they are there so you won't hopefully - get so ill that you're going to fill up a hospital bed. That's it.

No one wants to rush their kid, who has just got hit by a truck, to find the ER ward full of dumbshits who never got vaccinated. It's about protecting the system, it's not about protecting you. You live and participate in a civilized society. So quit being a crybaby, get your jabs, get your boosters - and put your fucking mask on.

Look at Israel where they are fully vaccinated. Hospitals full of the vaccinated with Covid. Look at the lies spouted by the media about hospitals holding up patients because they are filled up with folk who overdosed on horse medicine.
Look at the fact that they would not admit folk who where ill until their lips where turning blue then put them on ventilators and drugs that where used for end of life care killing them.
Look at the fact that they discourage the promotion of looking after your health by building up your immunity.
Look at Fauci's lies and flip flopping.
Yeah buy into the bullshit

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