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Corona virus - Covid 19 discussion

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geordiecolin said:
It is very ironic that Bill Gates advocates reducing the Worlds population by billions yet at the same time is so heavily involved with saving lives!
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Wanting to reduce the world's population isn't the same as killing it off though. I'd like populations to go down as a general statement, doesn't make me a raving eugenicist.

Slowing the current growth down so that deaths exceed births, education in the poorest parts of the world etc, that would be a start
 
goatwack said:
Wanting to reduce the world's population isn't the same as killing it off though. I'd like populations to go down as a general statement, doesn't make me a raving eugenicist.

Slowing the current growth down so that deaths exceed births, education in the poorest parts of the world etc, that would be a start
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I totally agree that the world can not sustain the speed of population increase. How it is done is a huge conundrum. I would also love to see a massive reduction in the use of herbicides and pesticides but again that would mean a big reduction in food production.
 
Would the world not be better off growing their own?

Allotments seem to do ok without pesticides.

Agree it's a big conundrum, but that is largely because of the way it currently works. Radical change is what's needed.

I don't claim to have all the answers but I don't subscribe to the idea that it is what it is and there is no other way besides genocide.

More farms and less money grabbing would be a start.
 
bamberfishcake said:
Would the world not be better off growing their own?

Allotments seem to do ok without pesticides.

Agree it's a big conundrum, but that is largely because of the way it currently works. Radical change is what's needed.

I don't claim to have all the answers but I don't subscribe to the idea that it is what it is and there is no other way besides genocide.

More farms and less money grabbing would be a start.
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I used to have an allotment as well as growing a lot of stuff in the garden. We never used any chemicals and I loved growing my own.

Guess who has recently became the biggest farm owner and owner of arable land in America?
 
bamberfishcake said:
Would the world not be better off growing their own?

Allotments seem to do ok without pesticides.

Agree it's a big conundrum, but that is largely because of the way it currently works. Radical change is what's needed.

I don't claim to have all the answers but I don't subscribe to the idea that it is what it is and there is no other way besides genocide.

More farms and less money grabbing would be a start.
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I dont use pesticides when growing stuff either.
But i have had infestations ruin part of it.
Difference is that i just say 'well guess ill be buying my strawberries since the bugs ate mine' and not 'well guess nobody is buying their strawberries since the bugs ate them'

Im sure it differs alot depending on what you are growing how easy it is to do it with or without use of pesticides.
But its not like 'organic' farming is without pesticides, they use a bunch of them, just different ones.
Im guessing the bigger a farm is, the harder it is to grow things 'allotment style' and obviously also bigger consequences for when/if things go wrong.
 
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Kroffe said:
I dont use pesticides when growing stuff either.
But i have had infestations ruin part of it.
Difference is that i just say 'well guess ill be buying my strawberries since the bugs ate mine and not 'well guess nobody is buying their strawberries since the bugs ate them'

Im sure it differs alot depending on what you are growing how easy it is to do it with or without use of pesticides.
But its not like 'organic' farming is without pesticides, they use a bunch of them, just different ones.
Im guessing the bigger a farm is, the harder it is to grow things 'allotment style' and obviously also bigger consequences for when/if things go wrong.
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I'm not really up to date with farming practices but not all of it is ethical or carbon whatnot. In the UK we had banned the practice of irradiating food. So farmers would send the likes of soft fruit,cereals,veg and fish to France where it was irradiated then they sent it back. So strawberries could last a week on the shelf instead of 1-2 days.
 
geordiecolin said:
I'm not really up to date with farming practices but not all of it is ethical or carbon whatnot. In the UK we had banned the practice of irradiating food. So farmers would send the likes of soft fruit,cereals,veg and fish to France where it was irradiated then they sent it back. So strawberries could last a week on the shelf instead of 1-2 days.
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Its a shame really.
Everyone knows how much better fruits and veggies you have grown at home tastes compared to supermarket stuff, but i guess its not viable to produce the quantities needed with the same methods people use at home.
Things as shelf life as you mentioned probably is a big part of it.

Good old capitalism probably also plays a part.
Even if Bobby could have 2 cornfields and manage them organically, using only natural solutions to fend off bug&fungus infestations, he wouldnt be able to compete on the market with Bobby Jr that has 20 cornfields and just flies his plane over them spraying them with godknowswhat to scare away bugs&fungus.

Also, i know its hard to believe Bobby Jr would backstab his father like that, but thats just how things are done in the corn business.
 
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Kroffe said:
Its a shame really.
Everyone knows how much better fruits and veggies you have grown at home tastes compared to supermarket stuff, but i guess its not viable to produce the quantities needed with the same methods people use at home.
Things as shelf life as you mentioned probably is a big part of it.

Good old capitalism probably also plays a part.
Even if Bobby could have 2 cornfields and manage them organically, using only natural solutions to fend off bug&fungus infestations, he wouldnt be able to compete on the market with Bobby Jr that has 20 cornfields and just flies his plane over them spraying them with godknowswhat to scare away bugs&fungus.

Also, i know its hard to believe Bobby Jr would backstab his father like that, but thats the corn business for you.
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The strawberries we grew on our allotment would be like mush within 8 hours if we picked them in warm weather. There is talk of there being a ban on growing crops,fruit and veg on farms that also have livestock as well as a ban on using manure!
 
Kroffe said:
Its a shame really.
Everyone knows how much better fruits and veggies you have grown at home tastes compared to supermarket stuff, but i guess its not viable to produce the quantities needed with the same methods people use at home.
Things as shelf life as you mentioned probably is a big part of it.

Good old capitalism probably also plays a part.
Even if Bobby could have 2 cornfields and manage them organically, using only natural solutions to fend off bug&fungus infestations, he wouldnt be able to compete on the market with Bobby Jr that has 20 cornfields and just flies his plane over them spraying them with godknowswhat to scare away bugs&fungus.

Also, i know its hard to believe Bobby Jr would backstab his father like that, but thats just how things are done in the corn business.
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Then assassinate Bobby jnr, take him out of the picture? Or send Greta round to put the frighteners on ? ? :p
 
Raspberries are not that difficult to grow organically, don't seem to be a pest magnet. All food was pretty much organic pre 1930s? Just more labour intensive, we're growing tons, throwing away tons, eating chemical residues. Bill gates would be a hero if he could make organic agriculture more feasible, but instead he's a gmo proponent freak, which will harm variety/diversity but swell his fortunes no end.
 
And therein lies the problem. A single person wants it all for themselves to sell off to the rest of the world.

The Amish community mentioned earlier in the thread are most likely self-sufficient.

There is more than enough arable land about. Although not in all countries.

Small local farms producing veg and livestock across the whole of the UK is perfectly viable. They do it now but its sold off to the corporates in most cases.

Easy for the UK to be self-sustained at a local level. Probably possible for the UK to have a surplus to pass off to other places too. If you look across the world, in most cases, there is certain foodstuffs that can be grown in abundance, pesticide free.

Grow on small farms, grow at home, cant beat a bit of fresh veg and fruit. Grew Spinach with my kids in a small patch in the garden, we had too much in the end, could have easily kept a few households in Spinach for the year.
 
bamberfishcake said:
And therein lies the problem. A single person wants it all for themselves to sell off to the rest of the world.

The Amish community mentioned earlier in the thread are most likely self-sufficient.

There is more than enough arable land about. Although not in all countries.

Small local farms producing veg and livestock across the whole of the UK is perfectly viable. They do it now but its sold off to the corporates in most cases.

Easy for the UK to be self-sustained at a local level. Probably possible for the UK to have a surplus to pass off to other places too. If you look across the world, in most cases, there is certain foodstuffs that can be grown in abundance, pesticide free.

Grow on small farms, grow at home, cant beat a bit of fresh veg and fruit. Grew Spinach with my kids in a small patch in the garden, we had too much in the end, could have easily kept a few households in Spinach for the year.
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goatwack said:
Ready for that 2-tier Apartheid system of vaxxed/ unvaxxed everyone?

Hold on to your hats!

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It is total bluff in order to push for more to get vaccinated. There are about 3 million un-vaccinated in Austria. Their prisons are just 400 of full capacity which is just 8.600. If only 5% of those 3 million refuse the jab and do not pay the fine (which they would not be prosecuted for as the government would lose) they will have to find prison room for 150,000 people.

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geordiecolin said:
It is total bluff in order to push for more to get vaccinated. There are about 3 million un-vaccinated in Austria. Their prisons are just 400 of full capacity which is just 8.600. If only 5% of those 3 million refuse the jab and do not pay the fine (which they would not be prosecuted for as the government would lose) they will have to find prison room for 150,000 people.

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Yes long-term the governments would lose, but we're seeing a flagrant disregard for rules and laws, so in the short-term they tend to do what they want, as most of these politicians won't be at the forefront in 5-10 years.

I have no doubt some will sue governments too, but millions won't or can't.

I therefore expect them to see through their promise and proceed with the lockdowns, even if just the one time.
 
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Yes long-term the governments would lose, but we're seeing a flagrant disregard for rules and laws, so in the short-term they tend to do what they want, as most of these politicians won't be at the forefront in 5-10 years.

I have no doubt some will sue governments too, but millions won't or can't.

I therefore expect them to see through their promise and proceed with the lockdowns, even if just the one time.
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The more I think about it the more questions it throws up. The EU commission seems to have made no comment about it and I don't think any EU member state has either other than Germany considering following suit. I suspect that there must have been high level talks between all member states and the EU law makers before they announced their plans. Not to mention the european convention on human rights which all EU countries are signed up too.
I suspect therefore that all of the EU as well as the UK are watching how Austria pans out before following suit.
How will it work if Austria did it in isolation? It is a landlocked Country which boarders many others. Think of the endless amounts traveling through Austria. Lorries,trains,buses and cars. Visitors as well as those who work in Austria but live across the boarders.Politicians from abroad,businessmen. Students. Those who live abroad but wish to visit their own Country for a few weeks per year. Will they have to be fully vaccinated in order to enter?
I think it would only work if the whole of Europe plan to follow suit or they are bluffing.
At the moment I think that all of Europe will follow suit.
And one more thing. Why are the media not questioning Austria's plans or talking about the questions that I have just mentioned?
 
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mack341 said:
It's one thing forcing an excellent medical product on the public, but another task for a below par one, that requires 6mth repeats, and doesn't prevent infection. Plus the highest rate of adverse reactions out.of all current approved vaccines.

Anyway I must get back to JW studies :laugh:
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I have just messaged Bryan and all of the casinos you play at to request they take you off their birthday list.
No need to thank me mate :thumbsup:
 
mack341 said:
It's one thing forcing an excellent medical product on the public, but another task for a below par one, that requires 6mth repeats, and doesn't prevent infection. Plus the highest rate of adverse reactions out.of all current approved vaccines.

Anyway I must get back to my JW studies :laugh:
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I've got a crash course in the ways of the Jehovah's Witnesses for you Macko

1) Purchase oversized suit

2) Grow Tom Selleck moustache

3) Knock on people's doors

4) Repeat "Do you believe a loving God would allow all this suffering, and do you know what he has planned for us?"

and voila! you're now a fully-qualified lvl.8 JW gopher :thumbsup:
 
goatwack said:
I've got a crash course in the ways of the Jehovah's Witnesses for you Macko

1) Purchase oversized suit

2) Grow Tom Selleck moustache

3) Knock on people's doors

4) Repeat "Do you believe a loving God would allow all this suffering, and do you know what he has planned for us?"

and voila! you're now a fully-qualified lvl.8 JW gopher :thumbsup:
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If you get an email titled Knock Knock don't open it. It will be Mack working from home
 
sufferinsilence said:
It seems like Bill Gates has let another variant loose in the UK then. With perhaps a bit of good news too.

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"Still, the new sub-variant seemed less likely to cause symptomatic Covid."
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It amazes me how they keep finding variants when Covid itself has not been isolated.

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geordiecolin said:
It amazes me how they keep finding variants when Covid itself has not been isolated.

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What does that mean? - 'Unfortunately, we do not hold any data for the isolation of the Virus'

Afraid I just don't get it :)

Does that mean they have not found the cause or the actual disease or we are relying on data from other sources? Please explain.
 
bamberfishcake said:
What does that mean? - 'Unfortunately, we do not hold any data for the isolation of the Virus'

Afraid I just don't get it :)

Does that mean they have not found the cause or the actual disease or we are relying on data from other sources? Please explain.
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In order to find a truly effective vaccine for an illness they isolate it- purified. This freedom of information request reply from official government statistics clearly states that Isolating Covid 19 has not been done.
They also state that the infection survey does not include those tested positive in a clinical location such as hospitals, care homes or other institutional settings. So they rely on clinically untested diagnosis using test kits and those stating that they have tested positive.
That means that if you are your child want time off they can self diagnose or pretend to have done which ramps up the statistics. Kids couldn't do that while schools where closed or adults ring in sick while their workplace was closed.

On the question of providing evidence of how and where they test specifically for the Delta Variant they give no evidence.
 
geordiecolin said:
In order to find a truly effective vaccine for an illness they isolate it- purified. This freedom of information request reply from official government statistics clearly states that Isolating Covid 19 has not been done.
They also state that the infection survey does not include those tested positive in a clinical location such as hospitals, care homes or other institutional settings. So they rely on clinically untested diagnosis using test kits and those stating that they have tested positive.
That means that if you are your child want time off they can self diagnose or pretend to have done which ramps up the statistics. Kids couldn't do that while schools where closed or adults ring in sick while their workplace was closed.

On the question of providing evidence of how and where they test specifically for the Delta Variant they give no evidence.
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See this all comes down to how people interpret what they read.

From reading same information you posted i read it different. This is from office of statistics .

It does not clearly state Isolating Covid19 has not been done. It merely states that they do not have the data available.

It is also a survey not official figures. By survey they try and work out roughly how many might be and have been infected. No need to use official figures from Hospitals as they have them this is more trying to guess and give an idea how many people might be infected at one time. For instance daily figures from official tests might be 40,000. From the surveys they might work out that they actually think about 100,000 are infected as an example.

Kids and adults trying it on for time off makes no real difference to official statistics. Official numbers are only registered through proper tests not tests done at home. The survey is only guessing how many might have it at one time. Makes no real difference how accurate it is as it is just a survey not actual figures.

And they have told you that the official swab tests get tested and show what variant of the virus is present. As said in this bit of the article you posted.
For every positive nose and throat swab where there is sufficient virus to do so (Ct less than 30), a process called whole genome sequencing is used to read all letters of the virus' genetic material. Where we successfully sequence over half of the genome, we use the sequence data to work out which type of variant is present in each virus.

So they give plenty of information on how and where it is tested.
 
paul7388 said:
See this all comes down to how people interpret what they read.

From reading same information you posted i read it different. This is from office of statistics .

It does not clearly state Isolating Covid19 has not been done. It merely states that they do not have the data available.

It is also a survey not official figures. By survey they try and work out roughly how many might be and have been infected. No need to use official figures from Hospitals as they have them this is more trying to guess and give an idea how many people might be infected at one time. For instance daily figures from official tests might be 40,000. From the surveys they might work out that they actually think about 100,000 are infected as an example.

Kids and adults trying it on for time off makes no real difference to official statistics. Official numbers are only registered through proper tests not tests done at home. The survey is only guessing how many might have it at one time. Makes no real difference how accurate it is as it is just a survey not actual figures.

And they have told you that the official swab tests get tested and show what variant of the virus is present. As said in this bit of the article you posted.
For every positive nose and throat swab where there is sufficient virus to do so (Ct less than 30), a process called whole genome sequencing is used to read all letters of the virus' genetic material. Where we successfully sequence over half of the genome, we use the sequence data to work out which type of variant is present in each virus.

So they give plenty of information on how and where it is tested.
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Try finding any proof from anywhere around the World that Covid 19 has been isolated.
 
Now im wondering if there is proof it has been isolated.

If not, then all of these vaccines are a result of just throwing something out there that may help maybe? And the variants are the smokescreen for saying its not been isolated? I question mark it because im not sure my understanding is correct.

Thought the video with Kennedy Jr and his mention of 1989 being the year when illnesses began to increase worldwide was very interesting. Could what we are experiencing now be a product of that?

Of the 11 environmental toxins responsible for the rise of diseases in the early 90s, Pesticides, Cellphones, Wifi, Ultrasound and Vaccines are the ones I could gather from the interview that could be responsible for the increase.

Crazy that it's not been honed to down its source.
 
Do these not show its been isolated @geordiecolin

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Take out the question marks for the links, not sure what the rules are for posting links. Not sure about anything anymore lol

p.s. the question marks don't affect the links - AAARRGGHHH. I give up.
 
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Do these not show its been isolated @geordiecolin

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Take out the question marks for the links, not sure what the rules are for posting links. Not sure about anything anymore lol
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Sounds like someone hasn't had their Spinach today:p
 
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Do these not show its been isolated @geordiecolin

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Take out the question marks for the links, not sure what the rules are for posting links. Not sure about anything anymore lol

p.s. the question marks don't affect the links - AAARRGGHHH. I give up.
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I did look at each link ( 1 didn't work) and obviously not being a medic I could not understand the half of their contents however the CDC and medical bodies around the world relied on the information provided by China in the January of 2020 in which the data China provided a draft genome. With that data China requested communication prior to any papers on it where peer reviewed prior to being posted in medical journals.
All of the links you provided are early 2020 which relied on the data to test for covid 19 and what you have posted are links to those countries showing that they have found folk having covis 19 and not that the virus itself has been isolated for the purpose working on a vaccine for it.

This from Jan 2020 which was used globally to test for covid 19

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geordiecolin said:
I did look at each link ( 1 didn't work) and obviously not being a medic I could not understand the half of their contents however the CDC and medical bodies around the world relied on the information provided by China in the January of 2020 in which the data China provided a draft genome. With that data China requested communication prior to any papers on it where peer reviewed prior to being posted in medical journals.
All of the links provided are early 2020 which relied on the data to test for covid 19 and what you have posted are links to those countries showing that they have found folk having covis 19 and not that the virus itself has been isolated for the purpose working on a vaccine for it.

This from Jan 2020 which was used globally to test for covid 19

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Reiner Füllmich putting the case forward to the House of Representatives in Poland.

 
geordiecolin said:
Bloody hell man you provide hard work. How long was the last one you posted? 3.5 hours?
I think I'll just get the jabs and start watching CNN and the BBC :(
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You going to opt for 10 free starburst spins at 10p for the vax? with the winnings you might be able to afford your own in memoriam advert in the Northen Echo.
 
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dealer wins said:
Does anyone still believe this is about a virus and that covid vaxxines are "Safe and effective" lol
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I really feel for those who presumed that one jab then 2 jabs would be the end of it then start to wonder what the fuck is going on. Do they keep twisting or stick?
 
Sometimes one wears a johnny so as not to splooge everywhere. Or for a real kick get the missus to inflate it on her head until it bursts, call it a race if you will, to see who pops first.

Ahh, lockdown games are the best aren't they?
 
goatwack said:
Sometimes one wears a johnny so as not to splooge everywhere. Or for a real kick get the missus to inflate it on her head until it bursts, call it a race if you will, to see who pops first.

Ahh, lockdown games are the best aren't they?
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I'm with Madame Fifi on my debit card

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