Corona virus - Covid 19 discussion

[geordiecolin]

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[Steviedoo]

What made people stop believing in their own immune system?

So you’re not vaccinated against the measles, chicken pox, polio?

Or if you’ve travelled to the east you’ve never had a shot against malaria, dung fever or any of those many shots required when travelling?

 

[dionysus]

I'm.........not judging
But...for me...and a broad .....us
We, just, take a jab, or, 2 or 3

And, we just arent fussed
We, just dont care; we get it, we truck along, we dont fuss, riot, complain and are all....enh,....meh....k, we can go play and live
It seems, the least issue, to ghrrrrr, fight, rally against

 

[ladyhawke]

And just when things were looking up, now we have Omircon? It just never bloody ends does it

Although it is looking as if Omicron is not quite as virulent as first thought, so that could be taken as a win..

We need to learn to live with Covid. It is not going away anytime soon.

Agreed. Hopefully it will be no more problematic than the Flu eventually, and that day can't come soon enough.

I am lucky living where I do, as my daily life hasn't really been impacted by COVID, but we are living on a knife-edge of indecision as to what the damned virus is going to try as its next trick, and what steps will be required to try to bring it under control.

A first step in trying to combat Omicron is that masks are now mandatory again, and vaccine passports are essential to gain entrance to restaurants, cafes, pubs, clubs, sporting events, etc - a very, very unpopular mandate.

What is needed is a common sense approach in trying to combat the spread of the pandemic, while still allowing everyone to live a near-normal life. However I don't feel any country has managed to successfully achieve that balance to date.

 

[paulcr]

I have never got the vaccine passport idea, when having the vaccine doesn't stop people catching the virus or spreading it.

It purely says some has had the vaccine, which is irrelevant to the actual spread of the virus. Could well be called a compliance passport!

 

[electronictonic]

I have never got the vaccine passport idea, when having the vaccine doesn't stop people catching the virus or spreading it.

It purely says some has had the vaccine, which is irrelevant to the actual spread of the virus. Could well be called a compliance passport!

Of course it is, some people after the first week in 2020 called it as.

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And the 19 is A.I

 

[mack341]

The govts and media are being foolish and short sighted pushing the undiluted fear. He must be fully aware of the collateral harm created in the last 20 months or so.

I hope Boris can see the light, and try and get coronavirus into perspective, instead of pushing what this guy wants, vaccine passports and mandates. Surely he doesn't want to be on the same page as toxic tony...

 

[cheekymonkey]

The govts and media are being foolish and short sighted pushing the undiluted fear. He must be fully aware of the collateral harm created in the last 20 months or so.

I hope Boris can see the light, and try and get coronavirus into perspective, instead of pushing what this guy wants, vaccine passports and mandates. Surely he doesn't want to be on the same page as toxic tony...

It's like I've just met with the Grim Reaper, utterly horrifying.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Blair hasn’t aged well

 

[bamberfishcake]

What made people stop believing in their own immune system?

Agree, massively.

I disagree that this can be compared with measles and polio etc.

Those are all diseases based on fact, not fear. I could cause a commotion by saying this, but my friends, family and I are yet to feel any effects of this so-called pandemic besides being locked down and controlled.

The more it rolls on, the more it feels like a big scam.

 

[geordiecolin]

Agree, massively.

I disagree that this can be compared with measles and polio etc.

Those are all diseases based on fact, not fear. I could cause a commotion by saying this, but my friends, family and I are yet to feel any effects of this so-called pandemic besides being locked down and controlled.

The more it rolls on, the more it feels like a big scam.

On one hand we have those who view it as scaremongering and believe in natural immunity and using therapeutics and protecting the most vulnerable and the other those who bought into the fear porn and believing the authorities who are dictating the path for them.

You can't unjab the jabbed so they are stuck on that road and that narrative. Government statistics show that there are 34 million unjabbed in the UK when they have been stating that they are a small minority spoiling things for the jabbed. That those hospitalized are the unjabbed when it is mostly the jabbed. Those in power and pushing the fear porn are caught again and again flouting their rules because they simply do not believe in their own bullshit. The public have been hoodwinked from the start and the narrative will go on.

 

[bamberfishcake]

Government statistics show that there are 34 million unjabbed in the UK

I would not be surprised to find even that figure is deflated.

I'm not saying Covid is not real and I don't want to seem insensitive to anybody who lost a loved one as a result, I lost my Nan at the start of it all. But still, when deaths are not being recorded correctly and jabs are not doing what they are supposed to do, plus, the idea that this is a form of SARS, which is similar to the common cold, which they have been trying to cure for years. I am finding it harder to see any logic in whats happened and the path we are taking.

 

[mack341]

This tabloid oaf's comments are highly provocative, he's basically trying to incite hatred of a broad number of people, who for various reasons have decided something different to him, and not doing the pro-vax arguments any favours imo.

John Terry has slammed Piers Morgan’s “shocking” suggestion that unvaccinated players shouldn’t be treated for injuries.

Morgan posted on Twitter : “Footballers who refuse to be jabbed should be refused treatment for injuries.

“After all, why should they trust doctors about treatment for broken legs & torn ligaments if they don’t trust them about a life-saving vaccine?”

 

[Kroffe]

On one hand we have those who view it as scaremongering and believe in natural immunity and using therapeutics and protecting the most vulnerable and the other those who bought into the fear porn and believing the authorities who are dictating the path for them.

You can't unjab the jabbed so they are stuck on that road and that narrative. Government statistics show that there are 34 million unjabbed in the UK when they have been stating that they are a small minority spoiling things for the jabbed. That those hospitalized are the unjabbed when it is mostly the jabbed. Those in power and pushing the fear porn are caught again and again flouting their rules because they simply do not believe in their own bullshit. The public have been hoodwinked from the start and the narrative will go on.

Seems to be plenty of people who not had the vaccine buying into the fear porn aswell.
Just that this fear porn is 'it turns you magnetic' 'it will kill everyone taking it in 6-12 months' 'there will be death camps' 'this is totally like ww2'

People not taking the vaccine are no less inclined to believe in fear porn it seems.
And just because they have a different shepherd does not mean they are not sheep, it just means that they are pushed in a different direction, by other people.

 

[geordiecolin]

Seems to be plenty of people who not had the vaccine buying into the fear porn aswell.
Just that this fear porn is 'it turns you magnetic' 'it will kill everyone taking it in 6-12 months' 'there will be death camps' 'this is totally like ww2'

People not taking the vaccine are no less inclined to believe in fear porn it seems.
And just because they have a different shepherd does not mean they are not sheep, just that they are pushed in a different direction, by other people.

Countries around the World are have implemented various measures that give reason to believe we are being pushed into a dystopian society. Look at Australia banging up their natives. Austria and their mandates coming in next year-with the possibility of other EU members following suit.
For me it appears that everything is geared up for forcing the jab on those who do not want it. That raises the question "Why"?
Time will tell what the effects of the vaccines will have.

 

[bamberfishcake]

'it turns you magnetic' 'it will kill everyone taking it in 6-12 months' 'there will be death camps' 'this is totally like ww2'

Nuts is nuts, vaccinated or not.

 

[Kroffe]

To add, ive had two jabs.
Probably wont get a booster, seems pointless with the data that is out now.

But did i get the vaccine because i was afraid of covid? Nope.
Did i get it because i think the people in Sweden making decisions/suggestions about these things know a shitload more than me about these matters, yup.
Hell, i dont even understand reports/studies even if i read them, and i doubt that many (if anyone) in this thread does either.
Just looks like a language i dont understand when they show how they have sequenced the virus or anything like that, i cant say if its real or not, so why should i bother reading it.

Bottom line is i dont really care, and im happy to let people doing this for a living handle this for me.
I do the same if my car breaks down, if i need my teeth fixed etc because i trust the people doing those things as a living know much better than me, and also i dont think they are out to kill me.
If i thought that i would be doing my own dental work.

 

[geordiecolin]

To add, ive had two jabs.
Probably wont get a booster, seems pointless with the data that is out now.

But did i get the vaccine because i was afraid of covid? Nope.
Did i get it because i think the people in Sweden making decisions/suggestions about these things know a shitload more than me about these matters, yup.
Hell, i dont even understand reports/studies even if i read them, and i doubt that many (if anyone) in this thread does either.
Just looks like a language i dont understand when they show how they have sequenced the virus or anything like that, i cant say if its real or not, so why should i bother reading it.

Bottom line is i dont really care, and im happy to let people doing this for a living handle this for me.
I do the same if my car breaks down, if i need my teeth fixed etc because i trust the people doing those things as a living know much better than me, and also i dont think they are out to kill me.
If i thought that i would be doing my own dental work.

Fair play to those who have made their own decisions. What those who have chosen not to have the jab want is not to be put under pressure to have the jab. Most are not insensitive to other people and the protection of others

 

[bamberfishcake]

Not as simple as that for me I'm afraid.

I have no faith in my government or the pharmaceutical industry when both would obviously rather treat than cure.

If my car breaks down, I take it to a garage, but to a reputable one, maybe the garages in Sweden are more reliable but in the UK, many rip you off.

Dentists, I agree, most are professional, but I've had a bad experience with one that made matters a lot worse for a filling I was encouraged to have that was giving me no pain, so wouldn't use them again.

I wish the covid situation was as simple as getting an MOT or filling.

I guess we all make decisions based on our level of trust in the people we buy services from and our previous experiences.

 

[Kroffe]

Nuts is nuts, vaccinated or not.

I just didnt agree with how it was framed as sensible vs unsensible with the vaccine.
Not everyone avoiding the vaccine are doing it for sensible reasons, and not everyone taking the vaccine are doing it for unsensible reasons.

Like i said in my other post, i was happy to follow the recommendations for the vaccine at first, because i know the people making those recommendations here in Sweden knows more than i ever will about the subject.
I still dont think it will kill everyone taking it in 6-12 months, but i dont think i will get a booster if they recommend it.
Seems pointless against the new variant anyway, and the vaccines have been pretty underwhelming in their effectiveness.

So people are not necessarily stuck following the same ideas, but this thread is very us vs them, and im not talking about people vs the government, im talking about vax vs antivax.

 

[bamberfishcake]

But this thread is very us vs them, and im not talking about people vs the government, im talking about vax vs antivax.

I don't see it as us vs them, I see it as a good ground for an open conversation. I think the 'us vs them' is a stance the UK government and some others are pushing on to people.

I value a difference of opinion so I can give it some thought and check my own conclusions against it.

Speak freely, always, otherwise what's the point in talking?

 

[Kroffe]

Countries around the World are have implemented various measures that give reason to believe we are being pushed into a dystopian society. Look at Australia banging up their natives. Austria and their mandates coming in next year-with the possibility of other EU members following suit.
For me it appears that everything is geared up for forcing the jab on those who do not want it. That raises the question "Why"?
Time will tell what the effects of the vaccines will have.

I dont know, seems like an odd choice of virus if this was done on purpose to change how things are around the world.
Why wouldnt you release a deadlier virus? That would make sure people took the vaccine and boosters that followed.

I think shitty things done by governments in some countries are just shitty governments taking the chance to do shitty things because covid gave them an opening.
Otherwise, wouldnt all governments be doing the same things?

 

[geordiecolin]

I just didnt agree with how it was framed as sensible vs unsensible with the vaccine.
Not everyone avoiding the vaccine are doing it for sensible reasons, and not everyone taking the vaccine are doing it for unsensible reasons.

Like i said in my other post, i was happy to follow the recommendations for the vaccine at first, because i know the people making those recommendations here in Sweden knows more than i ever will about the subject.
I still dont think it will kill everyone taking it in 6-12 months, but i dont think i will get a booster if they recommend it.
Seems pointless against the new variant anyway, and the vaccines have been pretty underwhelming in their effectiveness.

So people are not necessarily stuck following the same ideas, but this thread is very us vs them, and im not talking about people vs the government, im talking about vax vs antivax.

There is a lot of chatter amongst "experts" that allowing this new variant to spread would be the best thing for getting past covid with the provision that it does not kick up a curveball. Then there are others that claim it is an excuse to cover for the effects from the jabs. Putin has stated he thinks it is a variant that has been produced to eradicate the virus.

 

[Kroffe]

There is a lot of chatter amongst "experts" that allowing this new variant to spread would be the best thing for getting past covid with the provision that it does not kick up a curveball. Then there are others that claim it is an excuse to cover for the effects from the jabs. Putin has stated he thinks it is a variant that has been produced to eradicate the virus.

Data coming from Africa really leans towards the new variant being more contagious but much less deadly.

I saw someone saying that Africa had a pretty high infection rate with the other variants, so its possible Omicron is looking milder due to people in Africa having antibodies from previous infections already.
They didnt say that Omicron was necessarily more dangerous than the data from Africa suggests, just that Africa might not be the best place to look at to determine how mild/non-mild it is.

 

[geordiecolin]

I dont know, seems like an odd choice of virus if this was done on purpose to change how things are around the world.
Why wouldnt you release a deadlier virus? That would make sure people took the vaccine and boosters that followed.

I think shitty things done by governments in some countries are just shitty governments taking the chance to do shitty things because covid gave them an opening.
Otherwise, wouldnt all governments be doing the same things?

I never suggested that it was cooked up in order to make changes. It could well have leaked from the Lab. There's loads of questions that could go unanswered. I believe that governments have used it as a means to take control. What is happening in various Countries is like a huge experiment and various professions will be studying the data for years

 

[Kroffe]

I never suggested that it was cooked up in order to make changes. It could well have leaked from the Lab. There's loads of questions that could go unanswered. I believe that governments have used it as a means to take control. What is happening in various Countries is like a huge experiment and various professions will be studying the data for years

But thats pretty much the same thing i said.
Shitty people taking advantage of an opening do to shitty things.

Its very different depending on what country you are in what the recommendations, restrictions etc are.
I think besides it being shitty people taking advantage of the virus to do bad things, i think people (experts included) not knowing what the best action to take is plays a part.
The experts were guessing at the start of the pandemic, and i think they still are to a degree.

 

[Kroffe]

If my car breaks down, I take it to a garage, but to a reputable one, maybe the garages in Sweden are more reliable but in the UK, many rip you off.

I wouldnt know even if they did.
Cars are also a language i dont understand.

 

[geordiecolin]

But thats pretty much the same thing i said.
Shitty people taking advantage of an opening do to shitty things.

Its very different depending on what country you are in what the recommendations, restrictions etc are.
I think besides it being shitty people taking advantage of the virus to do bad things, i think people (experts included) not knowing what the best action to take is plays a part.
The experts were guessing at the start of the pandemic, and i think they still are to a degree.

It sure was politicized especially in America. I notice that Trump is still endorsing the vaccines and he has insisted on those visiting his resorts stick to the mandates. This has enraged many of the anti left who now view him as being part of the cabal.
Sweden followed their path by trusting in their scientists and it seems to have worked well because the government did not interfere with their decision making.

 

[Kroffe]

It sure was politicized especially in America. I notice that Trump is still endorsing the vaccines and he has insisted on those visiting his resorts stick to the mandates. This has enraged many of the anti left who now view him as being part of the cabal.
Sweden followed their path by trusting in their scientists and it seems to have worked well because the government did not interfere with their decision making.

I think it has been politicized in many countries, but as you say its been more in some countries, USA as example.
And its pretty weird when you think about it.

Mixing Medical practices with government is like mixing religion and government imo.
They should be kept separate at all costs, because mixing only makes it worse.

 

[geordiecolin]

I think it has been politicized in many countries, but as you say its been more in some countries, USA as example.
And its pretty weird when you think about it.

Mixing Medical practices with government is like mixing religion and government imo.
They should be kept separate at all costs, because mixing only makes it worse.

Racist!

 

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[mack341]

A german professor was discussing the virus origins, and he said due to some of the obvious giveaways in the dna sequence it was bio engineered, but they could have easily removed these 'sign posts' , so on that basis it was likely the result of a lab leak.

 

[Steviedoo]

Agree, massively.

I disagree that this can be compared with measles and polio etc.

Those are all diseases based on fact, not fear. I could cause a commotion by saying this, but my friends, family and I are yet to feel any effects of this so-called pandemic besides being locked down and controlled.

The more it rolls on, the more it feels like a big scam.

Every disease prior to covid is based on fact not fear?
How did we get here?

 

[sufferinsilence]

But thats pretty much the same thing i said.
Shitty people taking advantage of an opening do to shitty things.

Its very different depending on what country you are in what the recommendations, restrictions etc are.
I think besides it being shitty people taking advantage of the virus to do bad things, i think people (experts included) not knowing what the best action to take is plays a part.
The experts were guessing at the start of the pandemic, and i think they still are to a degree.

Do we expect scientists to know every answer to a brand new disease? Even now, we might feel like 2 years is a long time, we're basically still very early in the lifetime of this virus. There's going to be new insights every single day, even tho some people seem to think that there is no such thing as new insights in science but that aside, and new mutations aren't making it easier I assume.

 

[mack341]

Carlos Marin of IL Divo has passed away from covid, aged only 53 and professional singers normally have good lung power and health. Apparently vaccinated, and did a show on the 4th dec, felt ill on the 7th and rushed to hospital on the 8th.

It is worrying and strange, the speed of seriousness, and yet others, even some older with less health, can fight it off and pull through.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Carlos Marin of IL Divo has passed away from covid, aged only 53 and professional singers normally have good lung power and health. Apparently vaccinated, and did a show on the 4th dec, felt ill on the 7th and rushed to hospital on the 8th.

It is worrying and strange, the speed of seriousness, and yet others, even some older with less health, can fight it off and pull through.

This is what I’ve been saying. COVID isn’t just respiratory it’s also vascular. It could be that he had something pre-existing but unknown and COVID tipped the balance. That could be any one of us.

Like I said, it’s essentially like a game of Russian roulette, especially when unvaccinated. Vaccines tip the outcome in your favour, considerably so, but there will still be examples like this.

 

[ladyhawke]

Carlos Marin of IL Divo has passed away from covid, aged only 53 and professional singers normally have good lung power and health. Apparently vaccinated, and did a show on the 4th dec, felt ill on the 7th and rushed to hospital on the 8th.

It is worrying and strange, the speed of seriousness, and yet others, even some older with less health, can fight it off and pull through.

At the beginning of the pandemic, once it became clear how potentially dangerous the virus could be, it was believed that mainly the elderly would be affected - very early on they were socially isolated from their loved ones, and effectively their life. Or perhaps it is more accurate to say...socially ostracised, as in the UK they were forbidden to leave their homes, which is tantamount to house arrest.

Kids, young people, gym junkies, the rest of us, were thought to be exempt from the worst of the virus..

But as @sufferinsilence said: "Do we expect scientists to know every answer to a brand new disease?"

Because as time goes on, and we become further mired in the pandemic , it has become apparent that everyone is at risk, irrespective of health or age. This is not to say everyone will become infected, just that when it strikes, and why, is still undetermined.

Certainly in many cases there have been underlying health problems, occasionally undiagnosed, but this particular pandemic has a scattergun approach, and the speed of infection, coupled with its potential for devastating consequences such as long Covid, really screams out for the experts to identify a WHY.

 

[KasinoKing]

I got my booster at a walk in centre in Saturday. It also seems I caught Covid at the same time, which is an amusing irony.

Same here. Within days of my booster I tested positive for C19 for the first ever time.
The centre was the first crowded place I'd been in for a week...

KK

 

[geordiecolin]

At the beginning of the pandemic, once it became clear how potentially dangerous the virus could be, it was believed that mainly the elderly would be affected - very early on they were socially isolated from their loved ones, and effectively their life. Or perhaps it is more accurate to say...socially ostracised, as in the UK they were forbidden to leave their homes, which is tantamount to house arrest.

Kids, young people, gym junkies, the rest of us, were thought to be exempt from the worst of the virus..

But as @sufferinsilence said: "Do we expect scientists to know every answer to a brand new disease?"

Because as time goes on, and we become further mired in the pandemic , it has become apparent that everyone is at risk, irrespective of health or age. This is not to say everyone will become infected, just that when it strikes, and why, is still undetermined.

Certainly in many cases there have been underlying health problems, occasionally undiagnosed, but this particular pandemic has a scattergun approach, and the speed of infection, coupled with its potential for devastating consequences such as long Covid, really screams out for the experts to identify a WHY.

We where told after Doris got covid that he was struggling to recover and could have long covid yet we learn that he was hosting parties and was out socializing 4 weeks after he came out of hospital. these are the events that make sceptics think Meh!

It is nice to see healthy debate without mud slinging

 

[mack341]

This is what I’ve been saying. COVID isn’t just respiratory it’s also vascular. It could be that he had something pre-existing but unknown and COVID tipped the balance. That could be any one of us.

Like I said, it’s essentially like a game of Russian roulette, especially when unvaccinated. Vaccines tip the outcome in your favour, considerably so, but there will still be examples like this.

How long does this considerable advantage last?

I think around 70 people have suffered fatal clots from the AZ, and yet the inventor sarah gilbert has said nothing about it, I find that shocking. Doesn't give me a good, trusting feeling at all about the whole situation.

 

[paul7388]

How long does this considerable advantage last?

I think around 70 people have suffered fatal clots from the AZ, and yet the inventor sarah gilbert has said nothing about it, I find that shocking. Doesn't give me a good, trusting feeling at all about the whole situation.

To be fair 70 is a relatively small number compared to amount of doses administered.

Many medicines including penicillin cause fatalities. One of the reasons doctors always ask if you are allergic to it.

But you just never hear about side effects and deaths as such as no mass taking 9f the medicines in one go like the boosters.

 

[mack341]

To be fair 70 is a relatively small number compared to amount of doses administered.

Many medicines including penicillin cause fatalities. One of the reasons doctors always ask if you are allergic to it.

But you just never hear about side effects and deaths as such as no mass taking 9f the medicines in one go like the boosters.

Let's compare the AZ to other products in the same class, vaccines, per million flu jabs how many fatalities, or any other vaccine?

Those 70, and that's just the uk, probably had no idea they were taking that kind of risk. Most were under 50 years of age iirc

If gilbert had come out and apologised, said she was working hard to find out the reasons etc... that would've been something. They had to operate on some of these poor folk's skulls to try and relieve the pressure from huge clots in the brain, it's a disastrous side effect from an injection into your arm, it may be rare statistically, but the pharma companies have got to do better imo.

 

[paul7388]

Let's compare the AZ to other products in the same class, vaccines, per million flu jabs how many fatalities, or any other vaccine?

Those 70, and that's just the uk, probably had no idea they were taking that kind of risk. Most were under 50 years of age iirc

If gilbert had come out and apologised, said she was working hard to find out the reasons etc... that would've been something. They had to operate on some of these poor folk's skulls to try and relieve the pressure from huge clots in the brain, it's a disastrous side effect from an injection into your arm, it may be rare statistically, but the pharma companies have got to do better imo.

I agree. But just about every vaccine and medication has its dangers and can be fatal to some hence the reason every medication comes with warnings and lists of side effects.

With the amount of vaccinations administered even with better tests there would still sadly be fatalities.

 

[ladyhawke]

I think around 70 people have suffered fatal clots from the AZ, and yet the inventor sarah gilbert has said nothing about it, I find that shocking. Doesn't give me a good, trusting feeling at all about the whole situation.

To be fair 70 is a relatively small number compared to amount of doses administered.

Many medicines including penicillin cause fatalities. One of the reasons doctors always ask if you are allergic to it.

But you just never hear about side effects and deaths as such as no mass taking 9f the medicines in one go like the boosters.

Apparently approximately 56% of the world's population has received at least 1 dose of the vaccine. That is a total of over 8 billion people.

Adverse effects, although rare, do occur, but as @paul7388 states, many of our current medicines can cause fatalities, albeit not in the numbers being reported from the vaccines, as what is happening with the vaccine rollout really is a world-first type of immunisation program.

Depending on where you look, there are many websites promoting a very disturbing picture of the number of vaccine fatalities, but regrettably, the majority of these are obscure websites that may or may not have obtained their figures from legitimate sources.

I don't believe the VAERS database should be regarded as a legitimate source, as anyone can post whatever they want, without any initial verification. Until an assessment is carried out on a claim, that claim will remain on the database, no matter how ludicrous, e.g. a man claimed the vaccine turned him into the Incredible Hulk.

The following chart, from an Australian study, and although specifically referring to deaths caused by Thrombosis after having received the AZ vaccine, perhaps helps put the number of vaccine fatalities into some sort of perspective.

 

[ladyhawke]

How long does this considerable advantage last?

I think around 70 people have suffered fatal clots from the AZ, and yet the inventor sarah gilbert has said nothing about it, I find that shocking. Doesn't give me a good, trusting feeling at all about the whole situation.

But she did...back in September, when she said that people were more likely to get a blood clot from COVID, rather than from the vaccine.

I have included a link from the ABC, but I would imagine there are more news sources that confirm the veracity of the link:

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[bamberfishcake]

One of the other problems leading to so much uncertainty is the 'official' statistics are also skewed and incorrect.

It's hard to believe anything from an official source, since the start, doctors have been shut down from speaking freely in the house of commons, scientists appointed as government advisors have given contradicting evidence and clearly lied to push the narrative from the government and I've not really seen many, if any, scientists being given a voice.

The list of misinformation at each and every stage of a new development is exhausting. What's wrong with coming out and saying 'at this stage, we just dont know' rather than lying and then backtracking on your word. Coupled with the fortunes being made from pushing out unproven vaccines, it's hard not to conclude that many very powerful people and pharmaceutical companies have taken the opportunity to simply make money.

As for vaccinated people being given a better chance of beating corona and having a higher chance of survival, due to all of the bullshit before, it could be more propaganda.

 

[geordiecolin]

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[mack341]

But she did...back in September, when she said that people were more likely to get a blood clot from COVID, rather than from the vaccine.

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That makes it much worse for me, no one with covid has had to have the top of their skull removed in a desperate attempt to relieve massive clots, she's mix and matching general clots with this condition when the immune system starts attacking a platelet factor.
She should accept responsibility rather than deflect, her vaccine caused many fatal reactions (in terms of a medicine's numbers and other vaccines)

Regarding your graphic about risks, and criticism of vaers, let's compare serious adverse reactions, that required medical treatment from Drs, between the flu jab and these covid jabs. (averaged out per million) I think the flu jab is done in one go, and AZ and pfizer two, so 2:1 would be the ratio required as well.

If they're similar I'd be very surprised.