Convincing Webmasters to Advertise responsibly

[mojo]

OMG. I have to totally apologize to rowmare. I was mistaken and I hope she will forgive me.

 

[winbig]

You forgot one.

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[winbig]

Actually you forgot a bunch. Are you sure you pulled anything at all?

Results 1 - 10 of about 169 from gamtrak.com for "cool cat". (0.23 seconds)

Results 1 - 10 of about 230 from gamtrak.com for "cirrus". (0.23 seconds)

Results 1 - 10 of about 181 from gamtrak.com for "club player". (0.20 seconds)

Results 1 - 10 of about 218 from gamtrak.com for "palace of chance". (0.26 seconds)

 

[Redbush54]

You forgot one.

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[bb28]

The update for the GamTrak portal and forum is complete and GW clients have been removed. If you find something that was missed please bring it to our attention....Thank you

That's great.......It's long overdue but good news nonetheless.

Can you tell us what prompted this decision?

 

[Redbush54]

It was planned at the next update as was stated earlier. That happened early this morning.

Also the items posted by winbig are located in a section that is not accessible to forum members.

 

[winbig]

It was planned at the next update as was stated earlier. That happened early this morning.

Also the items posted by winbig are located in a section that is not accessible to forum members.

I'd double check all of them. There's a thread in there that was posted yesterday that is still up as of this moment. Just because a certain few fall into the archives doesn't mean they all do.

 

[Redbush54]

I'd double check all of them. There's a thread in there that was posted yesterday that is still up as of this moment. Just because a certain few fall into the archives doesn't mean they all do.

We our not going to censor our members but we will post a disclaimer regarding the rogue status each time a member posts one of those brands.

 

[winbig]

We our not going to censor our members but we will post a disclaimer regarding the rogue status each time a member posts one of those brands.

Even though probably 99% of these "members" that are posting free chip/bonus offers for this group are more than likely shills for GW?

Food for thought...

 

[jas2587]

if I had never came to Casinomeister or Gonegambling I would not know what a Rogue casino was
an if I see some one putting in a free code for some free cash
an then I saw your so called disclaimer
I would think hmmm well they are letting them put the code here so it cant be all that bad I mean what can go wrong the members are posting the code

then low an behold I get screwed an their answer to me would be well we put up our disclaimer

kinda like Marlboro putting on smokes can be harmful to your health but here is a $1.50 off coupon to help you buy them

Cindy

 

[jas2587]

We our not going to censor our members but we will post a disclaimer regarding the rogue status each time a member posts one of those brands.

in a seperate part of the forum or the next post right after the code is posted???

will we have to look for well over an hour to find your disclaimer?

Cindy

 

[Redbush54]

in a seperate part of the forum or the next post right after the code is posted???

will we have to look for well over an hour to find your disclaimer?

Cindy

How about we just edit the post and insert it right there? I'm out......end of discussion for me.

 

[winbig]

How about we just edit the post and insert it right there? I'm out......end of discussion for me.

This is an excellent idea if you guys wish to keep the posts alive. Run with it..

But for the life of me, I really don't understand why you just don't put it in the forum's T&C that members can't post promos for known rogue casinos. That way, it's not considered censorship. You simply don't want to advertise rogues, plain and simple. If they don't like the rules they can go elsewhere. At least then you know you're not playing any part at all in promoting GW - directly or indirectly.

 

[bb28]

This is an excellent idea if you guys wish to keep the posts alive. Run with it..

But for the life of me, I really don't understand why you just don't put it in the forum's T&C that members can't post promos for known rogue casinos. That way, it's not considered censorship. You simply don't want to advertise rogues, plain and simple. If they don't like the rules they can go elsewhere. At least then you know you're not playing any part at all in promoting GW - directly or indirectly.

What winbig said .........so simple, but yet so effective.

I'm of the mindset that as long as you allow any reference to that group in any shape or form whether directly or indirectly, your hands are still dirty. It's a cop out to say, oh but my members posted it and I can't help it. Others may not agree with that, but I feel very strongly about it. In a lot of aspects of life there are various shades of gray, but this isn't one of them.

 

[bb28]

How about we just edit the post and insert it right there? I'm out......end of discussion for me.

For the life of me........I don't understand why people run and say I'm outta here when the discussion gets uncomfortable. Easy way out.

 

[Bencuri]

I agree with the ones who noted that these affiliate sites should pay more attention what is going on in their forums and what they advertise. It is not only GamTrak that forgot to do it. If you look at the forum of big affiliate sites, you can see that a numerous of the posts is about the promos of these rogue casinos. They appear daily, like in the posts of Casino-Crush or Latestcasinobonuses.com as well. At Casino-Crush, they put a banner into every post that mentions these casinos as well.

Or just look at Latestcasinobonuses.com. I made a complaint in their forum about that they carelessly put banners on their portal, and let advertisements of rogue casinos into their forum. They banned me for this, saying they do care about this problem, and put warning to the rogue site threads. Now whatch the moderator of Latestcasinobonuses.com advertising Goldstream Casino in a thread without warning, soon after she assured me they put warning to posts:

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I think this clearly shows that they are not ont he right path. Moreover if you check their coupn list of their portal, you can see they have not any warning for rogue casinos, moreover they write pleasing things about them. For example here is the coupn review of CoolCat:

'Cool Cat Casino has been in operation for only three years but its worth checking out because of its diverse games and plentiful bonuses. Even better, Cool Cat Casino is open to players from the U.S.'

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And many of the no deposit banners are linked to rogue sites at Latestcasinobonuses.com.

It is not honest I think. The bad practices at these casinos are widely known for a while now, and these sites don't care about it. I was told by the Latestcasinobonuses moderators, that after I get a no deposit bonus by signing up through their banner, the affiliate site consider it has done its job. Any further complaint is mine and the casino's problem. I think not. At least until they get revenue from my deposits. In case they wouldn't refer me to these sites, and wouldn't get revenue from them, I would say ok, you are right. But in such a case, when they propagate these banners with their affiliate links, they also become assistant of the cheatings, intentionally or unintentionally.

So I support the idea that this should be changed... Because with such advertisements this problem extends beyond the gates of the rogue casinos now.

And since I had several problems with no deposit bonuses of such affiliate sites after reddeming them and winning, not knowing what casino it is where I was directed (I mean good or bad), I decided I won't use the coupons of these sites any more. They won't benefit from my deposits if they behave like this.

 

[Redbush54]

For the life of me........I don't understand why people run and say I'm outta here when the discussion gets uncomfortable. Easy way out.

I'm not uncomfortable at all. I have work to do.

 

[RobWin]

I agree with the ones who noted that these affiliate sites should pay more attention what is going on in their forums and what they advertise. It is not only GamTrak that forgot to do it. If you look at the forum of big affiliate sites, you can see that a numerous of the posts is about the promos of these rogue casinos. They appear daily, like in the posts of Casino-Crush or Latestcasinobonuses.com as well. At Casino-Crush, they put a banner into every post that mentions these casinos as well.

Or just look at Latestcasinobonuses.com. I made a complaint in their forum about that they carelessly put banners on their portal, and let advertisements of rogue casinos into their forum. They banned me for this, saying they do care about this problem, and put warning to the rogue site threads. Now whatch the moderator of Latestcasinobonuses.com advertising Goldstream Casino in a thread without warning, soon after she assured me they put warning to posts:

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I think this clearly shows that they are not ont he right path. Moreover if you check their coupn list of their portal, you can see they have not any warning for rogue casinos, moreover they write pleasing things about them. For example here is the coupn review of CoolCat:

'Cool Cat Casino has been in operation for only three years but its worth checking out because of its diverse games and plentiful bonuses. Even better, Cool Cat Casino is open to players from the U.S.'

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And many of the no deposit banners are linked to rogue sites at Latestcasinobonuses.com.

It is not honest I think. The bad practices at these casinos are widely known for a while now, and these sites don't care about it. I was told by the Latestcasinobonuses moderators, that after I get a no deposit bonus by signing up through their banner, the affiliate site consider it has done its job. Any further complaint is mine and the casino's problem. I think not. At least until they get revenue from my deposits. In case they wouldn't refer me to these sites, and wouldn't get revenue from them, I would say ok, you are right. But in such a case, when they propagate these banners with their affiliate links, they also become assistant of the cheatings, intentionally or unintentionally.

So I support the idea that this should be changed... Because with such advertisements this problem extends beyond the gates of the rogue casinos now.

And since I had several problems with no deposit bonuses of such affiliate sites after reddeming them and winning, not knowing what casino it is where I was directed (I mean good or bad), I decided I won't use the coupons of these sites any more. They won't benefit from my deposits if they behave like this.

I'll bet Zuga is absolutely loving you right now too Bencuri for posting all of those links and site references there in your post...

You know you can fix that situation too by only patronizing the affiliate websites that don't promote those Rogue Casinos right?
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[Bencuri]

I'll bet Zuga is absolutely loving you right now too Bencuri for posting all of those links and site references there in your post...

You know you can fix that situation too by only patronizing the affiliate websites that don't promote those Rogue Casinos right?
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If you want to suggest that I posted the links for advertisement purposes, forget that. I did not. May times I am blamed with making complaints without facts or proof. Now here is the proof. You can interpret is as you like. I made my statement on this...

'You know you can fix that situation too by only patronizing the affiliate websites that don't promote those Rogue Casinos right?' you write.

Did you read what I wrote?

'I decided I won't use the coupons of these sites any more. They won't benefit from my deposits if they behave like this.'

Before you reply read what I write. It is no need to suggest me things that I already mentioned.

 

[bb28]

If you want to suggest that I posted the links for advertisement purposes, forget that. I did not. May times I am blamed with making complaints without facts or proof. Now here is the proof. You can interpret is as you like. I made my statement on this...

'You know you can fix that situation too by only patronizing the affiliate websites that don't promote those Rogue Casinos right?' you write.

Did you read what I wrote?

'I decided I won't use the coupons of these sites any more. They won't benefit from my deposits if they behave like this.'

Before you reply read what I write. It is no need to suggest me things that I already mentioned.

Bencuri......I think you misunderstood Rob. His response was tongue in cheek and not meant to put you on the defensive.

 

[Bencuri]

Bencuri......I think you misunderstood Rob. His response was tongue in cheek and not meant to put you on the defensive.

Then I apologize to you, Rob. I thought you are referring to the opposite.

 

[RobWin]

Then I apologize to you, Rob. I thought you are referring to the opposite.

No worries my friend...
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[WagerWitch]

Okay...I have no idea where the hell this thread has gone off on a tangent to, but as 'Mojo' wants my explanation, here it is.

Three years ago, I was strictly a poker player.
Sure I've been to plenty of B&M's playing blackjack, roulette, pai gow, etc., but nothing online.

A neighbour of mine used to come over all the time and watch me play online.

He decided to join the craze (I've been playing long before Varkonyi and Moneymaker got their '15 minutes') and bought a computer and had me set him up.

After a little while he got bored and wanted to know about online casinos.

After doing a little research on Google, I found Gamtrak.
(I wish it had been Casinomeister that I found first, but that's in the past and I'm here now)


Gamtrak seemed to have lots of members, and lots of information regarding casinos.

The one set of casinos that they were promoting the most were members of the Virtual Group. (Cirrus, Club Player, Slots Of Vegas, etc)

Gamtrak had nothing but good things to say about these casinos, and because Slots Of Vegas were offering the best new player 'no deposit' bonus, that's the one we went with.

Both of us opened accounts, both of us claimed the standard new player free chip (SLOTS77) and we both started spinning the reels.

Miracle of miracles, we BOTH had great luck and made the WR's with plenty to spare.

We immediately requested cashouts for the maximum amount. ($100)

A few days later we get emails from the casino requesting the fax back form and copies of our identifications.

No problem, we did as was requested.

Another few days go by and we get another email saying that our documents had been approved and now they were requesting that we make, at least, the minimum deposit to the casino as a final verification step.

I wasn't planning on gambling my life away so I used $25 from my click2pay balance to make the deposit but Wayne was a little more flush and purchased a $250cdn Mastercard gift card which he used and successfully deposited.

The very next day Wayne is banging on my door, a little choked.
He had tried to log into SOV after work and had gotten the error 'you are not allowed to log in'

I tried to log into my account and got the exact same message.

Okay, we both send emails to them asking why our accounts have been locked and where our money was.

No response.

A few days later we send another.

After doing this a few more times, we FINALLY get a response from SOV that stated that our accounts had been locked because we violated their terms of service by requesting a free chip that was only available to existing depositing players (a lie, we used the SLOTS77 new player code) therefore our accounts are considered fraudulent and the balance (including our deposits) were forfeited and there would be NO FURTHER DISCUSSION AND NO REPLIES TO ANY SUBSEQUENT EMAILS WOULD BE FORTHCOMING.


So I'm now out $25 of my money but, more importantly, I have lost face in front of my friend and neighbour who is now out $250.

...AND THIS IS ALL THANKS TO A CASINO PORTAL THAT IS STILL PROMOTING THESE CROOKED CASINOS.

When I made my post 4 days ago, Gamtrak were still promoting Club Player and Palace Of Chance.

As of this point I have sent emails to Godaddy (Gamtraks domain registrar), Cogentco (the ISP) and the FBI all detailing the fact that Robin/Gamtrak promote and benefit from these crooked casinos.
I will continue to send as many emails, and file as many complaints as I can until Gamtrak are dead.

UNLESS GAMTRAK ARE WILLING TO REIMBURSE MY NEIGHBOUR AND MYSELF FOR THE MONEY THAT THE VITUAL GROUP WERE ABLE TO STEAL FROM US, THANKS TO GAMTRAK'S LIES AND DECEPTION, I WILL FOLLOW THEM TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH UNTIL THEY NO LONGER EXIST.

OK.

I've finished this thread - and I'm currently reading other threads regarding similar subjects...

BUT....

I HAVE A PROBLEM HERE

A MAJOR PROBLEM.

You wrote the FBI regarding an affiliate website???????

I cannot condone this activity.

Why?

Because currently there are laws in the US - that improperly TRANSLATED - can be used to jail people for being affiliates.

The laws do NOT state that it is ILLEGAL to promote casinos or their software... BUT - INTERPRETED incorrectly - you "could" have just jailed someone - or caused someone IMMENSE Legal problems.

All because YOU and your friend are out some money...

NOW - LET US be really honest here folks...

YES - Affiliates SHOULD be honorable - and SHOULD only promote decent casinos and not rogues.

But the bottom line is:

IT IS THE PLAYER'S RESPONSIBILITY TO RESEARCH AND PLAY AT A CASINO.

IT IS THE PLAYER'S RESPONSIBILITY AND CHOICE TO POSSIBLY LOSE MONEY.

IT IS THE PLAYER'S CHOICE TO GAMBLE.

And while I disagree with evil casinos - and all that - it is a PERSONAL choice for the affiliates to promote or not to promote specific casinos.

TO THREATEN FBI action because YOU - the PLAYER - chose to PLAY... And you happened to choose a "bad" casino... is IRRESPONSIBLE - WRONG - and very "blame shifting".

You could have and should have checked further before you invested money into something. You wouldn't buy a house or a car without checking into it - now would you?

You didn't have someone pointing a gun to your head.

YOU CHOSE to deposit without researching.

I'm sorry - but I cannot - and WILL NOT condone that action. (Of contacting a Law Enforcement Agency for looking at an ad on a website and then choosing to use it... Without researching it further...)

A used car salesperson is a person who sells used cars... YOU CHOOSE to buy the car from them...

An Affiliate gets paid to promote.

YOU CHOOSE TO PLAY.

Affiliates are not guard dogs - nor are they policemen - nor are they good or evil.

THEY ARE MARKETERS.

Salespeople.

And some sales people can sell and market a bad product - but the sales person is decent. The sales person is NOT responsible for the Product or Service - THE COMPANY MAKING THE PRODUCT or SERVICE is RESPONSIBLE for the product or service.

Affiliates are salespeople.

It is a JOB.

And well - people aren't perfect. They should be more upstanding - YES - but at the end of the day - they're just salespeople all trying to make a sale.

I just have a SERIOUS - VERY SERIOUS - problem with you initiating an FBI or LAW ENFORCEMENT contact over your own choice to purchase a service or product...

YOU CHOSE

Take some responsibility for your action.

For goodness sake... Women buy cosmetics ALL the freaking time - and they never end up looking like the models that are in the magazines...

It's a DUH factor.

And well...

Hell's Bells - dudes - bringing in the LAW - TOWARDS the AFFILIATE - is just PLAIN FREAKING WRONG.

Go after the casinos who committed the crimes - not the person who just pointed in the direction of the casino with a pretty flashing "ooh ahh" ad - and promises of riches...

Sheesh - I see ads for the Fountain of Youth - ALL the time... I don't choose to purchase it - and then blame the website or the sales clerk for "making me" purchase it because it didn't revert me back to infanthood.

If you chose the path... YOU MADE THE CHOICE.

I'm sorry if no one else agrees with me - but this TRULY upset me.

I don't personally honor websites that are rogue - MOST of the time... I have one or two - that are "iffy" but still not MAJORLY rogue - yanno? I'm trying to give them a chance.

But if YOU brought in Law Enforcement against me for showing you an ad... And YOU --- YOU --- Jumped at the chance --- YOU bought it... YOU CHOSE...

Well...

Let's just say - I'd curse you to the end of days....

 

[WagerWitch]

And I'm absolutely Amazed and SHOCKED that no one else said ANYTHING about this either.

*NOTE*

I am not standing up for dodgy affiliates who promote flybythenight places.

I'm standing up for ME.

Most affiliates are just BILLBOARD Spots... Advertising flash holes on the internet web.

You do NOT sue the BILLBOARD for the advertising on it.

Oh - this just totally totally totally upset me - you all have NO IDEA how much so.

I don't want to go to jail or be brought into the limelight for my promotions.

And this is just evil - just plain spiteful - mean - horrid..... No matter WHO you are...

Even the mere threatening of such action is blackmail and nasty - and just PLAIN WRONG.
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[funeral979]

You didn't have someone pointing a gun to your head.

YOU CHOSE

Take some responsibility for your action.

And how about affiliates who promote dodgy casinos take resposibility for THEIR actions?