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Ferg? Are your here?
Fergie = Roanan
Fergie = Roanan
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FWIW mojo I think it noble and endearing that you're sticking up for a fellow affiliate. But look at the big picture. TVG has, and continues to do, more harm to online gaming than any other single source. If CM and its members are truly committed to player advocacy then it is our responsibility to call out rogue casinos and affiliates that promote them, whether directly or indirectly.
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Well then FERGIE needs to step up to the dam plate. If you want to confront someone then go ahead. This is INSANE!
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Double post.
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You know what just absolutely blows my mind about this whole subject? The hypocrisy of it all. I can't even get my mind around it to tell the truth.
Without singling out Gamtrak, because the problem goes much deeper than just one webmaster or affiliate, does no one besides myself see how truly bizarre this is?
The very same webmasters who have been screaming for over a year for Grand Prive's head on a platter, and who have linked numerous blacklist pages together, and who WARN their players to never, under no circumstances, play at Grand Prive....feel quite comfortable promoting a PROVEN rogue like the Virtual Group. They've kept after this GP thing for a year, and have actually gotten the desired result of an investigation into the whole matter being initiated. Just imagine if instead of promoting Virtual, and throwing up all those affy links....they put up those same linked blacklist pages, and had warnings against Virtual on every single page of their websites...imagine the impact they could make.
So why don't they put the same effort into outing and shaming Virtual as they do with Grand Prive? Oh, that's right...with Virtual it's just the lowly players getting screwed. With Grand Prive....it's the affiliates. Gotcha!!
I honest to God don't know how half of them look themselves in the mirror while they warn players away from Grand Prive, and in the same breath send them to play at the biggest group of crooks on the internet. I bet Virtual doesn't miss any of those affy payments do they? I know they don't. I remember reading CAP about a year ago..and a couple of affies were complaining in the Gambling Wages thread about their payments being late. Ha ha...guess what? The affiliate manager JUMPED to get it done. They had their Neteller/Moneybookers payments the very same day. While there are players who wait months, and in some cases years, to get paid. If they ever do.
And in relation to that other thread that is ongoing in the Webmaster's section (I can't post there)...the excuse of "I don't actively promote them" is a steaming load of BS. If you have links, and have an active affiliate account...then you promote them, passive as it may be. Supposedly, it's just too hard to search up and remove all the links that may have been previously placed. I'll bet a dollar to a doughnut that these same webmasters managed to somehow search up every single Grand Prive link that ever existed. Any affiliate/webmaster who runs a forum, should not even allow those freebie Virtual codes to be posted on their site. They should be deleted and it should be made clear to the membership who truly evil that group of casinos are. It's a trap..players see those codes and use them...and then they're depositing.
I don't condone what Grand Prive did, not at all. But finally the affiliates have gotten a small taste of what players have gotten from Virtual over the years. How does it feel?
Condemn GP, while actively promoting Virtual...keep a straight face, and act indignant even. It's all a friggin joke. Simply unreal.
Without singling out Gamtrak, because the problem goes much deeper than just one webmaster or affiliate, does no one besides myself see how truly bizarre this is?
The very same webmasters who have been screaming for over a year for Grand Prive's head on a platter, and who have linked numerous blacklist pages together, and who WARN their players to never, under no circumstances, play at Grand Prive....feel quite comfortable promoting a PROVEN rogue like the Virtual Group. They've kept after this GP thing for a year, and have actually gotten the desired result of an investigation into the whole matter being initiated. Just imagine if instead of promoting Virtual, and throwing up all those affy links....they put up those same linked blacklist pages, and had warnings against Virtual on every single page of their websites...imagine the impact they could make.
So why don't they put the same effort into outing and shaming Virtual as they do with Grand Prive? Oh, that's right...with Virtual it's just the lowly players getting screwed. With Grand Prive....it's the affiliates. Gotcha!!
I honest to God don't know how half of them look themselves in the mirror while they warn players away from Grand Prive, and in the same breath send them to play at the biggest group of crooks on the internet. I bet Virtual doesn't miss any of those affy payments do they? I know they don't. I remember reading CAP about a year ago..and a couple of affies were complaining in the Gambling Wages thread about their payments being late. Ha ha...guess what? The affiliate manager JUMPED to get it done. They had their Neteller/Moneybookers payments the very same day. While there are players who wait months, and in some cases years, to get paid. If they ever do.
And in relation to that other thread that is ongoing in the Webmaster's section (I can't post there)...the excuse of "I don't actively promote them" is a steaming load of BS. If you have links, and have an active affiliate account...then you promote them, passive as it may be. Supposedly, it's just too hard to search up and remove all the links that may have been previously placed. I'll bet a dollar to a doughnut that these same webmasters managed to somehow search up every single Grand Prive link that ever existed. Any affiliate/webmaster who runs a forum, should not even allow those freebie Virtual codes to be posted on their site. They should be deleted and it should be made clear to the membership who truly evil that group of casinos are. It's a trap..players see those codes and use them...and then they're depositing.
I don't condone what Grand Prive did, not at all. But finally the affiliates have gotten a small taste of what players have gotten from Virtual over the years. How does it feel?
Condemn GP, while actively promoting Virtual...keep a straight face, and act indignant even. It's all a friggin joke. Simply unreal.
Pinababy69
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Just out of curiousity Mojo...is Fergie the same person as Rowmare?
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/members/
I could be confused....but I seem to remember that Rowmare went by the name of Fergie, even though that's not her real name, just another username she used on forums. Or am I way off base?
Rowmare is Fergie or Janet, I think Mojo had that mixed up..
I'll bet no one knew I was "The Coon" though...
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The intention is certainly not to 'scare you'
Mojo, and there is imo definitely no 'witch hunt' 
going on. If you choose to believe that there is, then it is unlikely I or anyone else will dissuade you.You are clearly not helping the situation with this OTT lashing out at all and sundry, who are perfectly entitled to voice an opinion on a matter of interest.
Relax and make your points in an unemotional manner...please.
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Rowmare is Fergie or Janet, I think Mojo had that mixed up..
I'll bet no one knew I was "The Coon" though...
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So why does she have an account as Roanan then? Why hasn't she been posting as Rowmare, the account she's had here since 2003? Don't mean to derail, but it makes me wonder. The subject of the thread is certainly a valid one, no mistake...but when I see someone make up a new username and make 200 plus posts under that new name...it makes you wonder if they're trying to hide who they really are? And for what reason?
A Coon Rob? More like a dog...specifically a hound.
So why does she have an account as Roanan then? Why hasn't she been posting as Rowmare, the account she's had here since 2003? Don't mean to derail, but it makes me wonder. The subject of the thread is certainly a valid one, no mistake...but when I see someone make up a new username and make 200 plus posts under that new name...it makes you wonder if they're trying to hide who they really are? And for what reason?
A Coon Rob? More like a dog...specifically a hound.
I really don't think she does unless she had a sex change...
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That does not look like the sexy Fergie that I know...no offense Roanan
Hound Dog eh...lol
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Pinababy69
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I really don't think she does unless she had a sex change...
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That does not look like the sexy Fergie that I know...no offense Roanan
Hound Dog eh...lol
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Ahh okay then...told you I was probably confused. When Mojo said Roanan=Fergie...I thought she meant Rowmare Fergie, lol.
Carry on, and thanks. No button right now.
Affiliates provide a service. The customer is the player. Therefore the player is quite entitled to talk about the pros and cons of that service and the affiliate is quite entitled to be involved. Threads like this give both sides a platform to state their case. How they do that is up to them but if it gets too personal, you know we'll either close the thread or issue some restraining orders The key is to provoke sensible discussion..as it always is... and as the other thread that Pina alludes to does.
That said, I can see some of Mojo's point - I certainly don't want to see Gamtrak (or anyone) subjected to abuse and I contemplated whether this thread should live as the OP could have been baiting, but I decided to give it the benefit of the doubt. The promotion of rogues and the services affiliates provide are valid topics and until such a time as someone spoils it by getting to personal or going OTT, it's a relevant discussion IMO.
Iv'e met Gamtrak and she seems like a very nice person. While you are quite within your rights to criticise and question the business function she provides, hiding behind the anonymity of a message board and attacking someone openly is both cowardly and pathetic and I hope no-one goes down that route.
The key is to provoke sensible discussion..as it always is... and as the other thread that Pina alludes to does.That said, I can see some of Mojo's point - I certainly don't want to see Gamtrak (or anyone) subjected to abuse and I contemplated whether this thread should live as the OP could have been baiting, but I decided to give it the benefit of the doubt. The promotion of rogues and the services affiliates provide are valid topics and until such a time as someone spoils it by getting to personal or going OTT, it's a relevant discussion IMO.
Iv'e met Gamtrak and she seems like a very nice person. While you are quite within your rights to criticise and question the business function she provides, hiding behind the anonymity of a message board and attacking someone openly is both cowardly and pathetic and I hope no-one goes down that route.
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Okay...I have no idea where the hell this thread has gone off on a tangent to, but as 'Mojo' wants my explanation, here it is.
Three years ago, I was strictly a poker player.
Sure I've been to plenty of B&M's playing blackjack, roulette, pai gow, etc., but nothing online.
A neighbour of mine used to come over all the time and watch me play online.
He decided to join the craze (I've been playing long before Varkonyi and Moneymaker got their '15 minutes') and bought a computer and had me set him up.
After a little while he got bored and wanted to know about online casinos.
After doing a little research on Google, I found Gamtrak.
(I wish it had been Casinomeister that I found first, but that's in the past and I'm here now)
Gamtrak seemed to have lots of members, and lots of information regarding casinos.
The one set of casinos that they were promoting the most were members of the Virtual Group. (Cirrus, Club Player, Slots Of Vegas, etc)
Gamtrak had nothing but good things to say about these casinos, and because Slots Of Vegas were offering the best new player 'no deposit' bonus, that's the one we went with.
Both of us opened accounts, both of us claimed the standard new player free chip (SLOTS77) and we both started spinning the reels.
Miracle of miracles, we BOTH had great luck and made the WR's with plenty to spare.
We immediately requested cashouts for the maximum amount. ($100)
A few days later we get emails from the casino requesting the fax back form and copies of our identifications.
No problem, we did as was requested.
Another few days go by and we get another email saying that our documents had been approved and now they were requesting that we make, at least, the minimum deposit to the casino as a final verification step.
I wasn't planning on gambling my life away so I used $25 from my click2pay balance to make the deposit but Wayne was a little more flush and purchased a $250cdn Mastercard gift card which he used and successfully deposited.
The very next day Wayne is banging on my door, a little choked.
He had tried to log into SOV after work and had gotten the error 'you are not allowed to log in'
I tried to log into my account and got the exact same message.
Okay, we both send emails to them asking why our accounts have been locked and where our money was.
No response.
A few days later we send another.
After doing this a few more times, we FINALLY get a response from SOV that stated that our accounts had been locked because we violated their terms of service by requesting a free chip that was only available to existing depositing players (a lie, we used the SLOTS77 new player code) therefore our accounts are considered fraudulent and the balance (including our deposits) were forfeited and there would be NO FURTHER DISCUSSION AND NO REPLIES TO ANY SUBSEQUENT EMAILS WOULD BE FORTHCOMING.
So I'm now out $25 of my money but, more importantly, I have lost face in front of my friend and neighbour who is now out $250.
...AND THIS IS ALL THANKS TO A CASINO PORTAL THAT IS STILL PROMOTING THESE CROOKED CASINOS.
When I made my post 4 days ago, Gamtrak were still promoting Club Player and Palace Of Chance.
As of this point I have sent emails to Godaddy (Gamtraks domain registrar), Cogentco (the ISP) and the FBI all detailing the fact that Robin/Gamtrak promote and benefit from these crooked casinos.
I will continue to send as many emails, and file as many complaints as I can until Gamtrak are dead.
UNLESS GAMTRAK ARE WILLING TO REIMBURSE MY NEIGHBOUR AND MYSELF FOR THE MONEY THAT THE VITUAL GROUP WERE ABLE TO STEAL FROM US, THANKS TO GAMTRAK'S LIES AND DECEPTION, I WILL FOLLOW THEM TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH UNTIL THEY NO LONGER EXIST.
Three years ago, I was strictly a poker player.
Sure I've been to plenty of B&M's playing blackjack, roulette, pai gow, etc., but nothing online.
A neighbour of mine used to come over all the time and watch me play online.
He decided to join the craze (I've been playing long before Varkonyi and Moneymaker got their '15 minutes') and bought a computer and had me set him up.
After a little while he got bored and wanted to know about online casinos.
After doing a little research on Google, I found Gamtrak.
(I wish it had been Casinomeister that I found first, but that's in the past and I'm here now)
Gamtrak seemed to have lots of members, and lots of information regarding casinos.
The one set of casinos that they were promoting the most were members of the Virtual Group. (Cirrus, Club Player, Slots Of Vegas, etc)
Gamtrak had nothing but good things to say about these casinos, and because Slots Of Vegas were offering the best new player 'no deposit' bonus, that's the one we went with.
Both of us opened accounts, both of us claimed the standard new player free chip (SLOTS77) and we both started spinning the reels.
Miracle of miracles, we BOTH had great luck and made the WR's with plenty to spare.
We immediately requested cashouts for the maximum amount. ($100)
A few days later we get emails from the casino requesting the fax back form and copies of our identifications.
No problem, we did as was requested.
Another few days go by and we get another email saying that our documents had been approved and now they were requesting that we make, at least, the minimum deposit to the casino as a final verification step.
I wasn't planning on gambling my life away so I used $25 from my click2pay balance to make the deposit but Wayne was a little more flush and purchased a $250cdn Mastercard gift card which he used and successfully deposited.
The very next day Wayne is banging on my door, a little choked.
He had tried to log into SOV after work and had gotten the error 'you are not allowed to log in'
I tried to log into my account and got the exact same message.
Okay, we both send emails to them asking why our accounts have been locked and where our money was.
No response.
A few days later we send another.
After doing this a few more times, we FINALLY get a response from SOV that stated that our accounts had been locked because we violated their terms of service by requesting a free chip that was only available to existing depositing players (a lie, we used the SLOTS77 new player code) therefore our accounts are considered fraudulent and the balance (including our deposits) were forfeited and there would be NO FURTHER DISCUSSION AND NO REPLIES TO ANY SUBSEQUENT EMAILS WOULD BE FORTHCOMING.
So I'm now out $25 of my money but, more importantly, I have lost face in front of my friend and neighbour who is now out $250.
...AND THIS IS ALL THANKS TO A CASINO PORTAL THAT IS STILL PROMOTING THESE CROOKED CASINOS.
When I made my post 4 days ago, Gamtrak were still promoting Club Player and Palace Of Chance.
As of this point I have sent emails to Godaddy (Gamtraks domain registrar), Cogentco (the ISP) and the FBI all detailing the fact that Robin/Gamtrak promote and benefit from these crooked casinos.
I will continue to send as many emails, and file as many complaints as I can until Gamtrak are dead.
UNLESS GAMTRAK ARE WILLING TO REIMBURSE MY NEIGHBOUR AND MYSELF FOR THE MONEY THAT THE VITUAL GROUP WERE ABLE TO STEAL FROM US, THANKS TO GAMTRAK'S LIES AND DECEPTION, I WILL FOLLOW THEM TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH UNTIL THEY NO LONGER EXIST.
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Hi everyone,
It's a valid discussion as long as personal jabs and dramatic emotional responses are set aside.
@ everybody - please reread your responses before posting and try to be as objective and rational as possible. Thanks!
Hi everyone,
It's a valid discussion as long as personal jabs and dramatic emotional responses are set aside.
@ everybody - please reread your responses before posting and try to be as objective and rational as possible. Thanks!
I think the real discussion here is whether Gamtrak's promoting rogue sites is a conflict of interests, whilst having an account and posting here on Casinomeister as well.
My view is that however much we may dislike Gamtraks practices, I feel as long as he is not directly peddling his filth on Casinomeister then it is fine. As I can not see how Casinomeister with his large membership could ever enforce members who are affiliates to stop promoting rogue sites.
It is unpaletable, but fortunatly repuatation points at Casinomesiter can never buy morals.
Mike
My view is that however much we may dislike Gamtraks practices, I feel as long as he is not directly peddling his filth on Casinomeister then it is fine. As I can not see how Casinomeister with his large membership could ever enforce members who are affiliates to stop promoting rogue sites.
It is unpaletable, but fortunatly repuatation points at Casinomesiter can never buy morals.
Mike
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THIS IS A VERY SIMPLE 3RD GRADER SOULATION Gamtrak's owner mans up to the plate pays ronan , and his friend the money that they were scammed out of very short story especially for hi roller aff
then get on with changing course in life to the honest side of things
then get on with changing course in life to the honest side of things
that is not the answer for HER to pay anyone any money that they lost
if that was the case I am sure we all would be seeking payment from some one an it isnt gonna happen
as far as I can remember SHE has promoted them an said she was gonna stop an SHE never did remove them the money is to green for her to remove them
by the way Gametrac is a Female not a male
Good Luck
Cindy
money is to green for her to remove them
LAST CALL HERE FOR ME BUT THE MONEY IS GREEN for all
Can I suggest you channel that aggression towards the casino group? Contact their ISP, the FBI etc etc about therm. It seems more logical to go to the source as they are the ones that took the money.
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Perhaps the only way to get people to stop advertising for/promoting rogue casinos is for there to be consequences for such actions.
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Agreed. People pulling stunts like that are only fueling the fire for people trying to get online gambling banned in the US.
So it appears that your beef is all about your personal loss?
How about thinking about the big picture, meaning all the other players besides yourself who get ripped off by this group? Perhaps you could think about channeling your personal anger at gamtrak into something that would benefit all players instead of singling out just one person.
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