Convincing Webmasters to Advertise responsibly

[Roanan]

Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I've filed my complaint.

I want access to my affiliate account so that I can be sure that they are going to be fair and to get my affiliate tag. Either way they know who I am as I have promoted them since day one and have all of the contest/posts archived that will show HUNDREDS if not thousands of NEW player signups.

Here is one of the events that is still public: Link Removed (invalid URL)

Thanks again!

When/if you do get your affiliate cheque, are you going to use it to reimburse all the players you have helped the Virtual Casino Group rip off over the years?

 

[GamTrak]

When/if you do get your affiliate cheque, are you going to use it to reimburse all the players you have helped the Virtual Casino Group rip off over the years?

WTF? That is not for you to ask or any of your friggen business TROUBLE MAKER so find someone else to harrass because I'm NOT the one got it?

 

[Roanan]

WTF? That is not for you to ask or any of your friggen business TROUBLE MAKER so find someone else to harrass because I'm NOT the one got it?

Awww...poor baby.

You have been making a living helping the Virtual Casino Group people rip players off for years, and ARE STILL DOING IT to this very day.

Your main page shows you actively promoting them, plus every month you make new threads in your forum devoted entirely to posting coupon codes from The Virtual Group.


...and do you really think you can intimidate me with a rude, insulting email:

Date: 30 Dec 2009 23:28:43 -0000
To: roananxxxxx@xxxxx.net
Subject: You best watch your step.
From: "GamTrak @ Casinomeister's Online Casino and Poker Forum" <gamtrak@yahoo.com>
Sender: forum@casinomeister.com

This is a message from GamTrak at Casinomeister's Online Casino and Poker Forum ( https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/ ). The Casinomeister's Online Casino and Poker Forum owners cannot accept any responsibility for the contents of the email.

To email GamTrak, you can use this online form:
Link Outdated / Removed

OR, by email:
mailto:gamtrak@yahoo.com

This is the message:

I don't need your smart ass comments directed toward me so you need to stop asap because I'm not gonna play around with an idiot like yourself.

The next email won't be so nice.

Robin

 

[Bencuri]

When/if you do get your affiliate cheque, are you going to use it to reimburse all the players you have helped the Virtual Casino Group rip off over the years?

I agree with Roanan. You should consider that in case you promote these places, you also take part in the cheating that these places do. In case you would't direct players to these rogue place with affiliate link would I say, okay, you are not part of this bad businesses, because you don't benefit from the players being fooled by rogue casinos. But the case is you know they are rogue, and even if you warn others, you leave your affiliate links and banners to these casinos on your sites.

And unfortunately it is not only Gamtrak who does this, but other big affiliate sites as well...

 

[Redbush54]

When/if you do get your affiliate cheque, are you going to use it to reimburse all the players you have helped the Virtual Casino Group rip off over the years?

Roanan what business is it of yours what GamTrak does? You pulled a response from the 7th of Dec in a thread about Grand Prive. If you had a problem with what GamTrak does then why didn't you pm her? Did you pm her and ask why she promoted them? Did you have her permission to post her pm and a screenshot of her portal? How do you know that the two places you circled weren't missed on the last portal update? How do you know that it won't be taken care of on the next update? How many other sites do you visit looking for something that's wrong?

Yea I'm a nobody but to see you derail a thread with something not even related to Grand Prive imho is totally ridiculous. Go ahead, crucify me...I could care less. What I do care about is how ppl are ripped apart on meister instead of a casual pm to them asking to discuss something YOU don't like.:xxx

 

[Roanan]

Roanan what business is it of yours what GamTrak does? You pulled a response from the 7th of Dec in a thread about Grand Prive. If you had a problem with what GamTrak does then why didn't you pm her? Did you pm her and ask why she promoted them? Did you have her permission to post her pm and a screenshot of her portal? How do you know that the two places you circled weren't missed on the last portal update? How do you know that it won't be taken care of on the next update? How many other sites do you visit looking for something that's wrong?

Yea I'm a nobody but to see you derail a thread with something not even related to Grand Prive imho is totally ridiculous. Go ahead, crucify me...I could care less. What I do care about is how ppl are ripped apart on meister instead of a casual pm to them asking to discuss something YOU don't like.:xxx

I only made the post because I saw her online and was appalled that she would be allowed to have an account at Casinomeister, and I decided to look at some of her recent activity.

As a victim of The Virtual Group THANKS to Gamtrak's lies and promotion of crooked casinos, I believe it is my right to do what I have done.

Second of all, I took that screenshot WHILE I was making the post above, so claiming that it's not up to date is hogwash.


And I know you don't care if I 'crucify you'.

YOU ARE EMPLOYED BY GAMTRAK

You will always be biased as you also benefit from Gamtrak's crooked dealings, so your opinion doesn't matter.

 

[jetset]

Before this gets any uglier:

It is a derail imo - but affiliates knowingly promoting rogue casinos is a valid subject, and I would therefore suggest a new thread, perhaps with private information like PM and email content removed.

 

[Roanan]

Before this gets any uglier:

It is a derail imo - but affiliates knowingly promoting rogue casinos is a valid subject, and I would therefore suggest a new thread, perhaps with private information like PM and email content removed.

I agree and am planning to start a 'Roanan vs. Gamtrak' thread later, but I was waiting for Brian's response to the ugly email Robin sent me...and it was an email, not a PM, and I hadn't sent her anything, nor did I reply, I simply forwarded the email to Brian and made the response post here.

The fact that the email was both inslting AND threatening guaranteed I would be making this public:

Subject: You best watch your step
... because I'm not gonna play around with an idiot like yourself.

As I mentioned, there is a history here and I will lay everything out later when I make the new thread.


In the meantime, I apologize to the rest of you for derailing this thread, but as my user tag states:

Denis Leary says I'm an..

and you'll have some fun reading about how big of one I can be when crossed.

 

[jetset]

I don't have a dog in this fight, but I am leary of publicly posting private emails without the sender's permission, regardless of how threatening or insulting the content.

IMO you could have PM'd Bryan or one of the other mods to complain about Gamtrak's communication, because the Casinomeister email system was apparently used to convey the offending message.

That said, I look forward to watching the new thread unfold.

 

[mojo]

This is soo sooo wrong!

Whatever beef we have with each other does not mean we are allowed to hang someone out to dry.

I am surprised at CM. You know dam well nothing good will come from this thread. Gamtrak has been beat up here over and over. She said she would not promote them anymore!

Robin, you removed GW. If you didn't I can't help you!

 

[jas2587]

This is soo sooo wrong!

Whatever beef we have with each other does not mean we are allowed to hang someone out to dry.

I am surprised at CM. You know dam well nothing good will come from this thread. Gamtrak has been beat up here over and over. She said she would not promote them anymore!

Robin, you removed GW. If you didn't I can't help you!

the thread is here in complete to read an catch up on who did what

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/affiliate-union.33462/

Cindy

 

[bb28]

This is soo sooo wrong!

Whatever beef we have with each other does not mean we are allowed to hang someone out to dry.

I don't see how you think this is hanging out someone to dry. This history is right here in this forum. Gamtrak kept promoting the rogues and repeatably kept defending it. In fact when someone called her out on it, she would get quite nasty in her defensive posturing, more than once. Those are the facts.

I am surprised at CM. You know dam well nothing good will come from this thread. Gamtrak has been beat up here over and over. She said she would not promote them anymore!

Well good for her......it's way past time, but as you know people that care about these things won't forget easily. It's about ethics or lack thereof. It's one thing for a noob to not know any better, but that certainly wasn't the case here. I always got the impression from her, the hell with it.....if I"m making money it's OK and I'm getting paid.

 

[jas2587]

agreed 100% nice post BB

Cindy

 

[mojo]

Sorry but this is wrong F.

I have always been a huge CM fan. In this case, shame on CM.

 

[mojo]

I have written Casinomeister to stop this thread.

I will not allow Gamtrak, or ANYONE to be ganged up on! If it is in my power, what little that may be.

 

[bb28]

Mojo........I don't see why you are getting yourself so worked up here. I'm baffled as to the why. Gamtrac history here can't be denied.

Maybe you have some relationship with Gamtrac....is that it?

 

[mojo]

Mojo........I don't see why you are getting yourself so worked up here. I'm baffled as to the why. Gamtrac history here can't be denied.

Maybe you have some relationship with Gamtrac....is that it?

Good luck. I'm out, i tried.

BTW where is Roanan? f?

I actually am personally insulted that someone could be slammed like this.,

Hello mods?

Go ahead and slam me.

 

[bryand]

Good luck. I'm out, i tried.

BTW where is Roanan? f?

I actually am personally insulted that someone could be slammed like this.,

Hello mods?

Go ahead and slam me.

All due respect, mojo, isn't this a player and casino advocate forum

If going after affiliates of TVG isn't appropriate here then where is it appropriate?

 

[mojo]

All due respect, mojo, isn't this a player and casino advocate forum

If going after affiliates of TVG isn't appropriate here then where is it appropriate?

Casinomeister tells us this is also an affiliate forum.

I must be in the wrong place.

 

[bb28]

Obviously there is more going on than meets the eye as this post by Greek39 alludes to. (I can not respond over there) Quoted from Greek39's post here. https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/watch-my-stats-drop-gambling-wages.35393/

Maybe we would all be better off if the whole Virtual Group just disappeared. Yup 2010 and we still have long time Rogue Programs running around like little kids in a playground. Years of bitching and complaining perhaps something more aggressive is called for.

Why not chew on their super affiliate. Anyone know who that maybe lol? If I could only remember the name. then I could see if the same mannerism toward certain individuals in this thread would apply also. Or maybe all those affiliates who still have open accounts at the Virtual Group but no longer support them.

So lets not pretend this problem only involves two people. The problem is widespread like swine flu.


Tad unfair statement AussieDave.

greek39


Well tell us WHO to chew on and I'll be first in line.

How the hell is any of it ever going to stop if they aren't named and shamed?

Don't you think it's time that people stop looking the other way, and it's time for people to stop being coy. Spill it....instead of alluding to it and playing these silly little games.

 

[jetset]

Mojo, who elected you to town sheriff?

This is a valid topic for discussion and imo you are out of line in having a go at 'CM' and criticising other posters for voicing an opinion on a subject that people feel strongly about - perceived affiliate integrity.

Why you should feel 'personally insulted' is beyond me - noone has accused you of promoting rogues, and your interest is presumably peripheral as a fellow affiliate only.

Perhaps you need to step back and reflect on this rather over-the-top reaction.

In the meantime I do not believe the content so far here merits the thread being shut down. The content is provocative but valid, the exchanges thus far have generally been disciplined and reasonably courteous, and the subject is both interesting and informative.

 

[mojo]

Mojo, who elected you to town sheriff?

Not a soul sir.

I will not partake in this witch hunt. Good luck with that. You don't scare me and your attack on gamtrak does not make 2010 start off on the right foot!

 

[mojo]

BTW

Where is ROANAN who started this crap???

 

[mojo]

In the meantime I do not believe the content so far here merits the thread being shut down. The content is provocative but valid, the exchanges thus far have generally been disciplined and reasonably courteous, and the subject is both interesting and informative.

Really? Casinomeister allows flaming, insulting, horrible comments?

Where is the OP??

I always thought CM was fair!

 

[bb28]

Not a soul sir.

I will not partake in this witch hunt. Good luck with that. You don't scare me and your attack on gamtrak does not make 2010 start off on the right foot!

I still don't have a clue as to why you are so upset Mojo. No witch hunt here, it's pretty common knowledge who gamtrac promote(d). I'm all for full disclosure on the other webmasters who promote them too, not just gamtrac.

From looking at your webpages, obviously you have made a conscious choice to not promote that group of casino's so you must feel that it's not ethical to promote them, right?