Cherry Red random jackpot results - For real?

[jimb123]

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Figured I'd start another thread since folks are questioning the RJs at Rushmore.

Some guy wins $45,000 on Aztech Treature in April and then he wins $110,000 in May on the same game? That brings up so many questions. But I'll save my breath.

Then notice on Wooden Boy in April/May... same lady wins as well.

Anyone have thoughts on this? Can these games really generate $100,000 in one month? If so, why dont they all go up that fast? I've seen games linger in the $2000 to $3000 range for weeks but Aztek goes up $110k in one month.. maybe less. For all we know he won on April 29th and then again May 1st.

Is this common in the industry to see 1) them go up so fast and 2) same people to keep winning the big ones on the same games?

 

[AudiManinBoro]

Even if the jackpots ARE real, the odds of the SAME guy winning a Jackpot on the SAME slot are so astronomically high as to be unbelievable. I really like RTG games but my faith in them is absolutley and utterly rock bottom nil now.

 

[maphesto]

I feel sorry for Louise now when you have created another thread for her..

Well, you have created it, I will write.

It seems strange! I almost think that the huge 110k win is a typo.

I have to say this once more:

Rushmore/Cherry Red are trustworthy casinos, they are putting RJ:s back when they are supposed to.

Still, we want them to remove those wind who proves to be not legit or paid in full.

Can you imagine that player who first wins the RJ on a free chip and then hits same RJ with deposited money. :notworthy

I don't think they are messing with the RJ:s! They are only putting them up again and forget to remove the old names.

A guess.

 

[jimb123]

Maphesto

I feel sorry for Louise now when you have created another thread for her..

Well, you have created it, I will write.

It seems strange! I almost think that the huge 110k win is a typo.

I have to say this once more:

Rushmore/Cherry Red are trustworthy casinos, they are putting RJ:s back when they are supposed to.

Still, we want them to remove those wind who proves to be not legit or paid in full.

Can you imagine that player who first wins the RJ on a free chip and then hits same RJ with deposited money. :notworthy

I don't think they are messing with the RJ:s! They are only putting them up again and forget to remove the old names.

A guess.[/QUOTE
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Sorry buddy.. didnt realize Louise has both Cherry Red and Rushmore...

Again, it doesnt make sense. So they just need to clean up the winners page. I thought someone said they get posted by a computer automatically - eliminating typos/finger checks? If you look at the RTG casinos winner pages.. you will see alot of the same people winning each moth on the same games... or different games but they will win 3 to 5 of them in a month or two.

Arent the odds like 10s of millions to 1? Oh well... assuming they are legit.. good for those people! They probably spent a ton trying to win them -- no way of knowing if they are ahead or not. Although I'm positive (if posted right) that guy that won $150,000 on Aztech has to be ahead... rrrright? lol

 

[maxd]

Someone care to enlighten me as to why we need two threads on basically the same topic?

I'm all ears but unless there's a good reason against doing so I'll merge this in with the other.

 

[funeral979]

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Figured I'd start another thread since folks are questioning the RJs at Rushmore.

Some guy wins $45,000 on Aztech Treature in April and then he wins $110,000 in May on the same game? That brings up so many questions. But I'll save my breath.

Then notice on Wooden Boy in April/May... same lady wins as well.

Anyone have thoughts on this? Can these games really generate $100,000 in one month? If so, why dont they all go up that fast? I've seen games linger in the $2000 to $3000 range for weeks but Aztek goes up $110k in one month.. maybe less. For all we know he won on April 29th and then again May 1st.

Is this common in the industry to see 1) them go up so fast and 2) same people to keep winning the big ones on the same games?

I cannot get that link to work....but if what you are saying is true....that Aztec was won for $45,000 and then for $110,000 both in May....that just cannot be right. I play at Cherry Red a few times a week and always play Aztec. I have never seen ANY RJ at Cherry at more than $31,000, much less Aztec.....at least in the last few months.

I said this in the other thread, but I don't think anyone took notice.....I am 99% certain that none of the bonuses the Rushmore group offer have max cashout restrictions.....and they RARELY give out free chips. I have had an account with them for over 2 years and the only time I received a free chip was for Christmas (and I had asked a few times and was always told they don't give out free chips).....so I am fairly certain we can rule out the possibility that illegit RJs are won and then the funds are returned.

I am not saying they are doing anything sneaky though....maybe this was indeed a typo.

 

[silcnlayc]

FWIW, back when I was playing them, the randoms were almost always over $50,000 including one over $100,000 that I can remember, but the most vivid one I remember was the $80,000+ I was following and playing until it was won. Never received a reply when I asked on who won it back then..I wanted to know since I invested a nice chunk of change for me in it myself.

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[maphesto]

so I am fairly certain we can rule out the possibility that illegit RJs are won and then the funds are returned.

As welcome offers both Rushmore and Cherry Red have free chips.

Just wanted to add.

 

[jimb123]

Funeral979

I cannot get that link to work....but if what you are saying is true....that Aztec was won for $45,000 and then for $110,000 both in May....that just cannot be right. I play at Cherry Red a few times a week and always play Aztec. I have never seen ANY RJ at Cherry at more than $31,000, much less Aztec.....at least in the last few months.

I said this in the other thread, but I don't think anyone took notice.....I am 99% certain that none of the bonuses the Rushmore group offer have max cashout restrictions.....and they RARELY give out free chips. I have had an account with them for over 2 years and the only time I received a free chip was for Christmas (and I had asked a few times and was always told they don't give out free chips).....so I am fairly certain we can rule out the possibility that illegit RJs are won and then the funds are returned.

I am not saying they are doing anything sneaky though....maybe this was indeed a typo.

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If you click the link in my post, it comes right up for me.
The other way to find it is to go to their website and click
WHY CHERRY RED... then click WINNERSCORNER... anything jump out at you?

To the Mod... yes you can combine these if there's another thread on the same Random Jackpot topic for Cherry Red somewhere else -- or tie it into the one at Rushmore.. I didnt know they were related casinos. Sorry. Their Rep Louise doesnt seem to post much, but we'll give her some time.

 

[Louise]

I'm in the process of getting some more info on the dates of wins for those 4 players on the Winners' Corner on Rushmore - 2 of the players won on Pay Dirt and 2 on Robertas Castle in the same month.

I so far have the results for 2 of the players, and personally checked these accounts and can see their balances for when they hit these jackpots and can see they are legit etc - At least these 2 players were not playing on any kind of max-cashout bonus, so both players at least had the option of cashing out all of their balance should they wish to - Hence, the RJ win monies were not placed back in to the slot machines.

As it's Sunday, I will not be receiving results back concerning the other two players until after the weekend, so will delay posting the full results until then.

Thanks,

Louise
Rushmore, Cherry Red & Slots Oasis Rep.

 

[all4greed]

I cannot get that link to work....but if what you are saying is true....that Aztec was won for $45,000 and then for $110,000 both in May....that just cannot be right. I play at Cherry Red a few times a week and always play Aztec. I have never seen ANY RJ at Cherry at more than $31,000, much less Aztec.....at least in the last few months...

The $45,000 random was won in April, then $110,887.86 in May. By the same player.

Unless my math is incorrect, and I'm sure someone will correct me, this is what I came up:

Assuming

-Jackpot seeded at $5,000.
-For every $1 wagered, .015 goes into the jackpot.
-The game was not linked to any other game.

Therefore

-$7,059,190 was done in total wagering by all players for the jackpot to be $110,887.86.
-Random went up this amount in roughly 30 days but could be substantially less.
-The same player won the random twice in a row.

Would also be interesting to see the specific dates when both randoms were won.

This is a lot of information, I hope that some people will seriously look at it...

 

[darkpixie]

Hi Louise,

Thank you for keeping this post up.
I have some questions, which may be akin to asking the magic 8 ball but here goes.

As you can see their balances pre and post RJ win. Can you also provide the following information about the winners? As no one knows their true identity I do not believe this is in violation of anyone's privacy.

#1 How long has each member been a depositing player at the casino
#2 Have the players in question provided accurate verification documentation and has the casino confirmed that none of the players are engaged in any kind of money laundering.
#3 Were the deposits for the sessions they won in anything out of the norm from their normal playing patterns?
#4 By player, who took a deposit bonus who did not.
#5 By player, who met wagering requirements if they took a bonus, who did not.
#6 Were any of the players 'comped' at any time for any amount during their winning sessions by the casino and if so for how much.
#7 Did the players that received a deposit bonus receive a bonus in amount and terms outside of the ones available to your average every day players and to what degree?
#8 Have you confirmed and verified the source of the originating deposits that resulted in the winning sessions?
#9 Would the casino be willing to release information about the players to CM so that CM can conduct a player cross check with other casinos in order for your casino to substantiate your claims?
#10 Can you confirm that each winning player has absolutely no affiliation with the Casino or RTG either by relation, friendship or business relationship.

I know this is a handful of questions but speaking for myself I still have a very difficult time believing these numbers. The more transparent the casino is, the better their outlook in my opinion.

 

[jimb123]

unlikely

Hi Louise,

Thank you for keeping this post up.
I have some questions, which may be akin to asking the magic 8 ball but here goes.

As you can see their balances pre and post RJ win. Can you also provide the following information about the winners? As no one knows their true identity I do not believe this is in violation of anyone's privacy.

#1 How long has each member been a depositing player at the casino
#2 Have the players in question provided accurate verification documentation and has the casino confirmed that none of the players are engaged in any kind of money laundering.
#3 Were the deposits for the sessions they won in anything out of the norm from their normal playing patterns?
#4 By player, who took a deposit bonus who did not.
#5 By player, who met wagering requirements if they took a bonus, who did not.
#6 Were any of the players 'comped' at any time for any amount during their winning sessions by the casino and if so for how much.
#7 Did the players that received a deposit bonus receive a bonus in amount and terms outside of the ones available to your average every day players and to what degree?
#8 Have you confirmed and verified the source of the originating deposits that resulted in the winning sessions?
#9 Would the casino be willing to release information about the players to CM so that CM can conduct a player cross check with other casinos in order for your casino to substantiate your claims?
#10 Can you confirm that each winning player has absolutely no affiliation with the Casino or RTG either by relation, friendship or business relationship.

I know this is a handful of questions but speaking for myself I still have a very difficult time believing these numbers. The more transparent the casino is, the better their outlook in my opinion.

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FANTASTIC questions... doubt u will see an answer to any one of them.

 

[darkpixie]

Hey can't blame me for trying

 

[jod5413]

Hi Louise,

Thank you for keeping this post up.
I have some questions, which may be akin to asking the magic 8 ball but here goes.

As you can see their balances pre and post RJ win. Can you also provide the following information about the winners? As no one knows their true identity I do not believe this is in violation of anyone's privacy.

#1 How long has each member been a depositing player at the casino
#2 Have the players in question provided accurate verification documentation and has the casino confirmed that none of the players are engaged in any kind of money laundering.
#3 Were the deposits for the sessions they won in anything out of the norm from their normal playing patterns?
#4 By player, who took a deposit bonus who did not.
#5 By player, who met wagering requirements if they took a bonus, who did not.
#6 Were any of the players 'comped' at any time for any amount during their winning sessions by the casino and if so for how much.
#7 Did the players that received a deposit bonus receive a bonus in amount and terms outside of the ones available to your average every day players and to what degree?
#8 Have you confirmed and verified the source of the originating deposits that resulted in the winning sessions?
#9 Would the casino be willing to release information about the players to CM so that CM can conduct a player cross check with other casinos in order for your casino to substantiate your claims?
#10 Can you confirm that each winning player has absolutely no affiliation with the Casino or RTG either by relation, friendship or business relationship.

I know this is a handful of questions but speaking for myself I still have a very difficult time believing these numbers. The more transparent the casino is, the better their outlook in my opinion.

As far as I am concerned, none of these 10 questions are anybody else's business. This is not about transparency, it is just nosiness, IMO.

If I played and won a random jackpot at a casino, and then had them list all these non pertinent "facts" about me, I would be royally ticked off. It is enough that they post your "handle" with the jackpot amount on their sites.

 

[darkpixie]

So completely anonymous information about play patterns is NOT ok but it is ok to publicly call out a poster with private information provided to you by a casino ??

See this post:
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/vip-cashback-still-no-playtime.37696/

OK, just checking...

 

[all4greed]

As far as I am concerned, none of these 10 questions are anybody else's business. This is not about transparency, it is just nosiness, IMO.

If I played and won a random jackpot at a casino, and then had them list all these non pertinent "facts" about me, I would be royally ticked off. It is enough that they post your "handle" with the jackpot amount on their sites.

Regardless of DP's question, do you believe these are legit RJ wins and amounts by the same person in roughly a months time? Does over $7,000,000 in wagering on one slot by various people in that time frame seem believable?

 

[lots0]

Regardless of DP's question, do you believe these are legit RJ wins and amounts by the same person in roughly a months time? Does over $7,000,000 in wagering on one slot by various people in that time frame seem believable?

Sure it does, actually it seems a bit low to me.
I have perdy good idea what kind of traffic they are getting.

Here is some general info that is a waaay low estimate of their traffic, just to give you a general idea of how many people are playing at one time.

xxhttp://siteanalytics.compete.com/cherryredcasino.com/


Ever see that giant RJ slot machine that used to sit in front of the Horse Shoe in Vegas? It would show jp's of over a million dollars... according to some folks logic that would be impossible, because it was only one machine that got played infrenquently... yet the Nevada Gaming Commission saw nothing wrong with it and they are real hard noses.

 

[darkpixie]

Site traffic has very little bearing on depositing player traffic, since the depositors are hitting an IP that is not xyz.com when they load up the casino client. But lets use your example anyways. If you look at Rushmore Casino at xxxxhttp://siteanalytics.compete.com/rushmoreonline.com/ you will see that they enjoy far less traffic than Cherry Red, yet according to their RJ amounts in the winners corner enjoy FAR more deposits...

 

[lots0]

Site traffic has very little bearing on depositing player traffic... since the depositors are hitting an IP that is not xyz.com

Obviously you know a lot more about this business than you were letting on.... I thought you were a player, just looking out for other players... you sound more like an aff/casino manager or an aff yourself.

DP is your slip is showing??? LOL

and Your reaching.. for something that ain't there.

 

[darkpixie]

Anyone that's been on the internet long enough knows that just because you have 100K hits to your site a day or even an hour doesn't mean you've managed to convert all those hits to paying customers. In fact usually the conversion rates are a mere fraction of what is represented by traffic. People visit sites for all kinds of reasons. I probably hit about 100 or more sites a day that I'll never return to, and certainly never in engage in any type of business relationship with.

I used to manage my own website, and I had great traffic, but conversion rates to site membership was closer to 1% than 100%. And that was for free memberships.

 

[darkpixie]

If you need proof of conversion rates, take CM for example...
xxxhttp://siteanalytics.compete.com/casinomeister.com/

Yet membership stats are: 31,090, Posts: 347,969, Members: 14,798, Active Members: 1,559 as of this minute!!

 

[darkpixie]

xxxhttp://siteanalytics.compete.com/bodog.com/
This one is interesting too, twice the traffic, but never did I see or hear of an RJ going up like at Rushmores Group.

 

[lots0]

I used to manage my own website, and I had great traffic, but conversion rates to site membership was closer to 1% than 100%. And that was for free memberships.

So you are an affilaite that has been or is currently in the online gambling business?

complete.com's data is an estimate, a very low estimate, complete.com hopes site owners will join up with them to correct the low numbers.

If you really want to get a good idea of the traffic they get, look at several of these traffic estimate sites, average them and times that number by 3 and you'll get a good idea of their true traffic... But then why am I telling you this? As a site owner/affilaite you should already know this basic stuff.


But back to the point... the Rushmore group gets more than enough traffic to justify a 7mill jp.

 

[lots0]

xxxhttp://siteanalytics.compete.com/bodog.com/
This one is interesting too, twice the traffic, but never did I see or hear of an RJ going up like at Rushmores Group.

Again your inferring these totally separate business do (or should do) everything the exact same. Because x casino is like this, y casino should be like this too... that is very misleading.

I'd also like to ask you just how good is your info? How much do you watch bodog's jp amounts, is it everyday, once a month, once a year?