Cherry Red random jackpot results - For real?

[jimb123]

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Figured I'd start another thread since folks are questioning the RJs at Rushmore.

Some guy wins $45,000 on Aztech Treature in April and then he wins $110,000 in May on the same game? That brings up so many questions. But I'll save my breath.

Then notice on Wooden Boy in April/May... same lady wins as well.

Anyone have thoughts on this? Can these games really generate $100,000 in one month? If so, why dont they all go up that fast? I've seen games linger in the $2000 to $3000 range for weeks but Aztek goes up $110k in one month.. maybe less. For all we know he won on April 29th and then again May 1st.

Is this common in the industry to see 1) them go up so fast and 2) same people to keep winning the big ones on the same games?

 

[AudiManinBoro]

Even if the jackpots ARE real, the odds of the SAME guy winning a Jackpot on the SAME slot are so astronomically high as to be unbelievable. I really like RTG games but my faith in them is absolutley and utterly rock bottom nil now.

 

[maphesto]

I feel sorry for Louise now when you have created another thread for her..

Well, you have created it, I will write.

It seems strange! I almost think that the huge 110k win is a typo.

I have to say this once more:

Rushmore/Cherry Red are trustworthy casinos, they are putting RJ:s back when they are supposed to.

Still, we want them to remove those wind who proves to be not legit or paid in full.

Can you imagine that player who first wins the RJ on a free chip and then hits same RJ with deposited money. :notworthy

I don't think they are messing with the RJ:s! They are only putting them up again and forget to remove the old names.

A guess.

 

[jimb123]

Maphesto

I feel sorry for Louise now when you have created another thread for her..

Well, you have created it, I will write.

It seems strange! I almost think that the huge 110k win is a typo.

I have to say this once more:

Rushmore/Cherry Red are trustworthy casinos, they are putting RJ:s back when they are supposed to.

Still, we want them to remove those wind who proves to be not legit or paid in full.

Can you imagine that player who first wins the RJ on a free chip and then hits same RJ with deposited money. :notworthy

I don't think they are messing with the RJ:s! They are only putting them up again and forget to remove the old names.

A guess.[/QUOTE
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Sorry buddy.. didnt realize Louise has both Cherry Red and Rushmore...

Again, it doesnt make sense. So they just need to clean up the winners page. I thought someone said they get posted by a computer automatically - eliminating typos/finger checks? If you look at the RTG casinos winner pages.. you will see alot of the same people winning each moth on the same games... or different games but they will win 3 to 5 of them in a month or two.

Arent the odds like 10s of millions to 1? Oh well... assuming they are legit.. good for those people! They probably spent a ton trying to win them -- no way of knowing if they are ahead or not. Although I'm positive (if posted right) that guy that won $150,000 on Aztech has to be ahead... rrrright? lol

 

[maxd]

Someone care to enlighten me as to why we need two threads on basically the same topic?

I'm all ears but unless there's a good reason against doing so I'll merge this in with the other.

 

[funeral979]

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Figured I'd start another thread since folks are questioning the RJs at Rushmore.

Some guy wins $45,000 on Aztech Treature in April and then he wins $110,000 in May on the same game? That brings up so many questions. But I'll save my breath.

Then notice on Wooden Boy in April/May... same lady wins as well.

Anyone have thoughts on this? Can these games really generate $100,000 in one month? If so, why dont they all go up that fast? I've seen games linger in the $2000 to $3000 range for weeks but Aztek goes up $110k in one month.. maybe less. For all we know he won on April 29th and then again May 1st.

Is this common in the industry to see 1) them go up so fast and 2) same people to keep winning the big ones on the same games?

I cannot get that link to work....but if what you are saying is true....that Aztec was won for $45,000 and then for $110,000 both in May....that just cannot be right. I play at Cherry Red a few times a week and always play Aztec. I have never seen ANY RJ at Cherry at more than $31,000, much less Aztec.....at least in the last few months.

I said this in the other thread, but I don't think anyone took notice.....I am 99% certain that none of the bonuses the Rushmore group offer have max cashout restrictions.....and they RARELY give out free chips. I have had an account with them for over 2 years and the only time I received a free chip was for Christmas (and I had asked a few times and was always told they don't give out free chips).....so I am fairly certain we can rule out the possibility that illegit RJs are won and then the funds are returned.

I am not saying they are doing anything sneaky though....maybe this was indeed a typo.

 

[silcnlayc]

FWIW, back when I was playing them, the randoms were almost always over $50,000 including one over $100,000 that I can remember, but the most vivid one I remember was the $80,000+ I was following and playing until it was won. Never received a reply when I asked on who won it back then..I wanted to know since I invested a nice chunk of change for me in it myself.

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[maphesto]

so I am fairly certain we can rule out the possibility that illegit RJs are won and then the funds are returned.

As welcome offers both Rushmore and Cherry Red have free chips.

Just wanted to add.

 

[jimb123]

Funeral979

I cannot get that link to work....but if what you are saying is true....that Aztec was won for $45,000 and then for $110,000 both in May....that just cannot be right. I play at Cherry Red a few times a week and always play Aztec. I have never seen ANY RJ at Cherry at more than $31,000, much less Aztec.....at least in the last few months.

I said this in the other thread, but I don't think anyone took notice.....I am 99% certain that none of the bonuses the Rushmore group offer have max cashout restrictions.....and they RARELY give out free chips. I have had an account with them for over 2 years and the only time I received a free chip was for Christmas (and I had asked a few times and was always told they don't give out free chips).....so I am fairly certain we can rule out the possibility that illegit RJs are won and then the funds are returned.

I am not saying they are doing anything sneaky though....maybe this was indeed a typo.

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If you click the link in my post, it comes right up for me.
The other way to find it is to go to their website and click
WHY CHERRY RED... then click WINNERSCORNER... anything jump out at you?

To the Mod... yes you can combine these if there's another thread on the same Random Jackpot topic for Cherry Red somewhere else -- or tie it into the one at Rushmore.. I didnt know they were related casinos. Sorry. Their Rep Louise doesnt seem to post much, but we'll give her some time.

 

[Louise]

I'm in the process of getting some more info on the dates of wins for those 4 players on the Winners' Corner on Rushmore - 2 of the players won on Pay Dirt and 2 on Robertas Castle in the same month.

I so far have the results for 2 of the players, and personally checked these accounts and can see their balances for when they hit these jackpots and can see they are legit etc - At least these 2 players were not playing on any kind of max-cashout bonus, so both players at least had the option of cashing out all of their balance should they wish to - Hence, the RJ win monies were not placed back in to the slot machines.

As it's Sunday, I will not be receiving results back concerning the other two players until after the weekend, so will delay posting the full results until then.

Thanks,

Louise
Rushmore, Cherry Red & Slots Oasis Rep.

 

[all4greed]

I cannot get that link to work....but if what you are saying is true....that Aztec was won for $45,000 and then for $110,000 both in May....that just cannot be right. I play at Cherry Red a few times a week and always play Aztec. I have never seen ANY RJ at Cherry at more than $31,000, much less Aztec.....at least in the last few months...

The $45,000 random was won in April, then $110,887.86 in May. By the same player.

Unless my math is incorrect, and I'm sure someone will correct me, this is what I came up:

Assuming

-Jackpot seeded at $5,000.
-For every $1 wagered, .015 goes into the jackpot.
-The game was not linked to any other game.

Therefore

-$7,059,190 was done in total wagering by all players for the jackpot to be $110,887.86.
-Random went up this amount in roughly 30 days but could be substantially less.
-The same player won the random twice in a row.

Would also be interesting to see the specific dates when both randoms were won.

This is a lot of information, I hope that some people will seriously look at it...

 

[darkpixie]

Hi Louise,

Thank you for keeping this post up.
I have some questions, which may be akin to asking the magic 8 ball but here goes.

As you can see their balances pre and post RJ win. Can you also provide the following information about the winners? As no one knows their true identity I do not believe this is in violation of anyone's privacy.

#1 How long has each member been a depositing player at the casino
#2 Have the players in question provided accurate verification documentation and has the casino confirmed that none of the players are engaged in any kind of money laundering.
#3 Were the deposits for the sessions they won in anything out of the norm from their normal playing patterns?
#4 By player, who took a deposit bonus who did not.
#5 By player, who met wagering requirements if they took a bonus, who did not.
#6 Were any of the players 'comped' at any time for any amount during their winning sessions by the casino and if so for how much.
#7 Did the players that received a deposit bonus receive a bonus in amount and terms outside of the ones available to your average every day players and to what degree?
#8 Have you confirmed and verified the source of the originating deposits that resulted in the winning sessions?
#9 Would the casino be willing to release information about the players to CM so that CM can conduct a player cross check with other casinos in order for your casino to substantiate your claims?
#10 Can you confirm that each winning player has absolutely no affiliation with the Casino or RTG either by relation, friendship or business relationship.

I know this is a handful of questions but speaking for myself I still have a very difficult time believing these numbers. The more transparent the casino is, the better their outlook in my opinion.

 

[jimb123]

unlikely

Hi Louise,

Thank you for keeping this post up.
I have some questions, which may be akin to asking the magic 8 ball but here goes.

As you can see their balances pre and post RJ win. Can you also provide the following information about the winners? As no one knows their true identity I do not believe this is in violation of anyone's privacy.

#1 How long has each member been a depositing player at the casino
#2 Have the players in question provided accurate verification documentation and has the casino confirmed that none of the players are engaged in any kind of money laundering.
#3 Were the deposits for the sessions they won in anything out of the norm from their normal playing patterns?
#4 By player, who took a deposit bonus who did not.
#5 By player, who met wagering requirements if they took a bonus, who did not.
#6 Were any of the players 'comped' at any time for any amount during their winning sessions by the casino and if so for how much.
#7 Did the players that received a deposit bonus receive a bonus in amount and terms outside of the ones available to your average every day players and to what degree?
#8 Have you confirmed and verified the source of the originating deposits that resulted in the winning sessions?
#9 Would the casino be willing to release information about the players to CM so that CM can conduct a player cross check with other casinos in order for your casino to substantiate your claims?
#10 Can you confirm that each winning player has absolutely no affiliation with the Casino or RTG either by relation, friendship or business relationship.

I know this is a handful of questions but speaking for myself I still have a very difficult time believing these numbers. The more transparent the casino is, the better their outlook in my opinion.

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FANTASTIC questions... doubt u will see an answer to any one of them.

 

[darkpixie]

Hey can't blame me for trying

 

[jod5413]

Hi Louise,

Thank you for keeping this post up.
I have some questions, which may be akin to asking the magic 8 ball but here goes.

As you can see their balances pre and post RJ win. Can you also provide the following information about the winners? As no one knows their true identity I do not believe this is in violation of anyone's privacy.

#1 How long has each member been a depositing player at the casino
#2 Have the players in question provided accurate verification documentation and has the casino confirmed that none of the players are engaged in any kind of money laundering.
#3 Were the deposits for the sessions they won in anything out of the norm from their normal playing patterns?
#4 By player, who took a deposit bonus who did not.
#5 By player, who met wagering requirements if they took a bonus, who did not.
#6 Were any of the players 'comped' at any time for any amount during their winning sessions by the casino and if so for how much.
#7 Did the players that received a deposit bonus receive a bonus in amount and terms outside of the ones available to your average every day players and to what degree?
#8 Have you confirmed and verified the source of the originating deposits that resulted in the winning sessions?
#9 Would the casino be willing to release information about the players to CM so that CM can conduct a player cross check with other casinos in order for your casino to substantiate your claims?
#10 Can you confirm that each winning player has absolutely no affiliation with the Casino or RTG either by relation, friendship or business relationship.

I know this is a handful of questions but speaking for myself I still have a very difficult time believing these numbers. The more transparent the casino is, the better their outlook in my opinion.

As far as I am concerned, none of these 10 questions are anybody else's business. This is not about transparency, it is just nosiness, IMO.

If I played and won a random jackpot at a casino, and then had them list all these non pertinent "facts" about me, I would be royally ticked off. It is enough that they post your "handle" with the jackpot amount on their sites.

 

[darkpixie]

So completely anonymous information about play patterns is NOT ok but it is ok to publicly call out a poster with private information provided to you by a casino ??

See this post:
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/vip-cashback-still-no-playtime.37696/

OK, just checking...

 

[all4greed]

As far as I am concerned, none of these 10 questions are anybody else's business. This is not about transparency, it is just nosiness, IMO.

If I played and won a random jackpot at a casino, and then had them list all these non pertinent "facts" about me, I would be royally ticked off. It is enough that they post your "handle" with the jackpot amount on their sites.

Regardless of DP's question, do you believe these are legit RJ wins and amounts by the same person in roughly a months time? Does over $7,000,000 in wagering on one slot by various people in that time frame seem believable?

 

[lots0]

Regardless of DP's question, do you believe these are legit RJ wins and amounts by the same person in roughly a months time? Does over $7,000,000 in wagering on one slot by various people in that time frame seem believable?

Sure it does, actually it seems a bit low to me.
I have perdy good idea what kind of traffic they are getting.

Here is some general info that is a waaay low estimate of their traffic, just to give you a general idea of how many people are playing at one time.

xxhttp://siteanalytics.compete.com/cherryredcasino.com/


Ever see that giant RJ slot machine that used to sit in front of the Horse Shoe in Vegas? It would show jp's of over a million dollars... according to some folks logic that would be impossible, because it was only one machine that got played infrenquently... yet the Nevada Gaming Commission saw nothing wrong with it and they are real hard noses.

 

[darkpixie]

Site traffic has very little bearing on depositing player traffic, since the depositors are hitting an IP that is not xyz.com when they load up the casino client. But lets use your example anyways. If you look at Rushmore Casino at xxxxhttp://siteanalytics.compete.com/rushmoreonline.com/ you will see that they enjoy far less traffic than Cherry Red, yet according to their RJ amounts in the winners corner enjoy FAR more deposits...

 

[lots0]

Site traffic has very little bearing on depositing player traffic... since the depositors are hitting an IP that is not xyz.com

Obviously you know a lot more about this business than you were letting on.... I thought you were a player, just looking out for other players... you sound more like an aff/casino manager or an aff yourself.

DP is your slip is showing??? LOL

and Your reaching.. for something that ain't there.

 

[darkpixie]

Anyone that's been on the internet long enough knows that just because you have 100K hits to your site a day or even an hour doesn't mean you've managed to convert all those hits to paying customers. In fact usually the conversion rates are a mere fraction of what is represented by traffic. People visit sites for all kinds of reasons. I probably hit about 100 or more sites a day that I'll never return to, and certainly never in engage in any type of business relationship with.

I used to manage my own website, and I had great traffic, but conversion rates to site membership was closer to 1% than 100%. And that was for free memberships.

 

[darkpixie]

If you need proof of conversion rates, take CM for example...
xxxhttp://siteanalytics.compete.com/casinomeister.com/

Yet membership stats are: 31,090, Posts: 347,969, Members: 14,798, Active Members: 1,559 as of this minute!!

 

[darkpixie]

xxxhttp://siteanalytics.compete.com/bodog.com/
This one is interesting too, twice the traffic, but never did I see or hear of an RJ going up like at Rushmores Group.

 

[lots0]

I used to manage my own website, and I had great traffic, but conversion rates to site membership was closer to 1% than 100%. And that was for free memberships.

So you are an affilaite that has been or is currently in the online gambling business?

complete.com's data is an estimate, a very low estimate, complete.com hopes site owners will join up with them to correct the low numbers.

If you really want to get a good idea of the traffic they get, look at several of these traffic estimate sites, average them and times that number by 3 and you'll get a good idea of their true traffic... But then why am I telling you this? As a site owner/affilaite you should already know this basic stuff.


But back to the point... the Rushmore group gets more than enough traffic to justify a 7mill jp.

 

[lots0]

xxxhttp://siteanalytics.compete.com/bodog.com/
This one is interesting too, twice the traffic, but never did I see or hear of an RJ going up like at Rushmores Group.

Again your inferring these totally separate business do (or should do) everything the exact same. Because x casino is like this, y casino should be like this too... that is very misleading.

I'd also like to ask you just how good is your info? How much do you watch bodog's jp amounts, is it everyday, once a month, once a year?

 

[darkpixie]

I'm done playing traffic wars with you, it is a serious derail of the topic because it really has no bearing on how much $ gets deposited into a casino. IE. By your argument, If Casino A has 5000 hits a day and all those 5000 people deposit $1, and Casino B has 1 hit a day but that one player deposits $5000, Casino A would have RJ's ringing up like gas pumps, and Casino B would be going bankrupt. Its simply not a valid argument and has no place in this thread.

No I did not have a gambling related site, I would be happy to send you the webarchive link via PM if you are really curious.

 

[lots0]

We can have a disagreement on what kind of traffic they get, it is OK to agree to disagree.

But I really am curious.
Since you don't play there, just how often do you check Rushmores JP, or Bodog's or Cherryred's jackpot for that matter?

You keep saying that 'you' noticed or observed these jp amounts over time and again I just don't get it. You don't play there but you are watching their jackpot amounts very carefully over a long time period...

Not for me to say how you spend your time... But I gotta say, on the face of it, that is perdy weird.

 

[darkpixie]

Sorry missed this one:

you sound more like an aff/casino manager or an aff yourself.

The closest I have come to this biz is dating a guy that worked indirectly for Bodog, about 4 years ago. He worked for Triple Crown Customer Service, a subsidiary of Riptown, which was under the Bodog umbrella.

So no, I have no monetary interest in seeing this subject through.

How I know that the clients hit an IP that is different than that of the website is that I am an IT Professional and security wise it would be haphazard of a casino to set it up any other way, so that was what you would call an educated guess.

 

[darkpixie]

I never downloaded Rushmore's client until I noticed this thread to be honest. I play at a few other RTG's but never this one and have been playing at them off and on for about 5 years. As many players will tell you, you notice things when they go up and when they don't.

Regardless of my gambling habits, I didn't need to log on to know that the one JP used in my earlier example went from $45K to $5k to $110K in the matter of a month. All I had to do was visit Rushmore's sites and listen to the feedback presented by their rep on these boards.

I work from home and do graveyards where I have nothing to do for long periods of time, so anything to keep me amused

 

[lots0]

As many players will tell you, you notice things when they go up and when they don't.

I'm also a player.

 

[all4greed]

Seems like Wayne A. won 5 RJ's on Azteks Treasure:

Wednesday, May 12, 2010 $110,888
Friday, May 7, 2010 $28,950
Saturday, April 24, 2010 $45,530
Friday, April 23, 2010 $19,341
Thursday, April 22, 2010 $8,885

Seed is obviously not 5k:

Monday, March 15, 2010 $2,022 Aztec's Treasure Helen K.

So over $7,000,000 was wagered in 5 days for that RJ to be $110,888.

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[darkpixie]

Here is the spreadsheet, you can view each casino by clicking each tab at the bottom.

 

[jod5413]

So completely anonymous information about play patterns is NOT ok but it is ok to publicly call out a poster with private information provided to you by a casino ??

See this post:
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/vip-cashback-still-no-playtime.37696/

OK, just checking...

OK, just checking right back at'cha... You are comparing apples to oranges (yeah, I hate this cliché, too) with the copying of my opinion on a totally different scenario.

I still have to ask, why do you think a casino should have to post this info? It would not mean a thing, as far as proving whether the random jackpots were actually won by the same people more than once. It also would be burdensome for the casino and then CM to find and publish the info you are seeking. It is irrelevant to anything other than satisfying someone's nosiness, IMO.

Regardless of DP's question, do you believe these are legit RJ wins and amounts by the same person in roughly a months time? Does over $7,000,000 in wagering on one slot by various people in that time frame seem believable?

Yes, I do believe these are legit wins. I have seen many "weird and hard to believe" things in my life. That includes unbelievable good luck that some people have. The flip side is I have seen some indescribably horrible things that hit people, one thing after another. So, what can I say? I trust and believe in the accredited casinos I play at.

 

[darkpixie]

I believe that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and I can say that we can agree to disagree on a few points there.

But before you say you are POSITIVE these wins are legit please take a look at the Data in the attached spreadsheet. This was captured from the site all4greed recently posted. I have added a new tab as well that puts all three groups together so you can see just how LUCKY a handful of their players are

 

[XOXOXOXOXOX]

Assuming

-Jackpot seeded at $5,000.
-For every $1 wagered, .015 goes into the jackpot.
-The game was not linked to any other game.

Therefore

-$7,059,190 was done in total wagering by all players for the jackpot to be $110,887.86.

I did not read all the posts here so not sure if this was mentioned but their jackpots appear to be linked the same way as at Rushmore. Check for example Sunken Treasure, Green Light and Aztec's Treasure, they are the same $$, right now is $9954.

I used to play often their before (no more MB and c2P bonuses ) and as i can remember the seed was 5K and it was 5-6 games linked to1 jackpot.

No sure if this affects your calculations though.

 

[LHofsdal]

Thanks for taking the time to make that spread sheet. One thing I did notice was this: On 4/23 Wayne A. Won the Aztec Treasure Jackpot for 19,341 and then won it again on 4/24 for 45,530, then won it again on 5/7 for 28,951, then hit it again 5/12 for 110,00? All At Cherry Red Casino. In 5 Days the slot went up almost a 100,000? I find it weird that the RJP went up 26 thousand dollars in 24 hours from 4/23 to 4/24.

Does this slot reset it at 10,000 when it is hit?

This spread sheet has opened my eyes a bit, I did deposit at Slot Oasis this past weekend, I could not even come close to make the playthrough requirements, and my deposits were gone in less than 20 minutes. Even tried Cherry Red last week, again I could not hit a damn thing. Deposit gone in 20 minutes betting 1 dollar to 1.25 nothing higher than that. Call it bad luck, call it what ever you want, it just seems really odd to me.

We all have our own opinions, and we are all going to believe what we want to believe, but I for one can't see how all this can add up.

Just my opinion.

LH

 

[all4greed]

I did not read all the posts here so not sure if this was mentioned but their jackpots appear to be linked the same way as at Rushmore. Check for example Sunken Treasure, Green Light and Aztec's Treasure, they are the same $$, right now is $9954.

I used to play often their before (no more MB and c2P bonuses ) and as i can remember the seed was 5K and it was 5-6 games linked to1 jackpot.

No sure if this affects your calculations though.

Good catch.

I was thinking more along the lines of the big ones like Jackpot Pinatas, didn't think at the time about linked regular slot games. Still a bit unbelievable that even linked slots could drive a RJ up over 100k in 5 days...

 

[all4greed]

Thanks for taking the time to make that spread sheet. One thing I did notice was this: On 4/23 Wayne A. Won the Aztec Treasure Jackpot for 19,341 and then won it again on 4/24 for 45,530, then won it again on 5/7 for 28,951, then hit it again 5/12 for 110,00? All At Cherry Red Casino. In 5 Days the slot went up almost a 100,000? I find it weird that the RJP went up 26 thousand dollars in 24 hours from 4/23 to 4/24.

You missed Thursday, April 22, 2010 $8,885

Does this slot reset it at 10,000 when it is hit?

According to this, it appears to be 2k:

Monday, March 15, 2010 $2,022 Aztec's Treasure Helen K.

 

[missmichelle]

I might be missisng something, but I don't see anyplace where it says that they are necessarily random jackpots that are being won. It could just be that some of these people bet big so they end up with the big wins. I see it says big winners not random jackpot winners.

Okay I'll but out now.

Michelle

 

[all4greed]

I might be missisng something, but I don't see anyplace where it says that they are necessarily random jackpots that are being won. It could just be that some of these people bet big so they end up with the big wins. I see it says big winners not random jackpot winners.

Okay I'll but out now.

Michelle

Correct. In fact, I emailed that website asking exactly what these wins represented which are obviously RJ's and most likely bonus and/or regular spin wins.

 

[Louise]

Hi Louise,

Thank you for keeping this post up.
I have some questions, which may be akin to asking the magic 8 ball but here goes.

As you can see their balances pre and post RJ win. Can you also provide the following information about the winners? As no one knows their true identity I do not believe this is in violation of anyone's privacy.

#1 How long has each member been a depositing player at the casino
#2 Have the players in question provided accurate verification documentation and has the casino confirmed that none of the players are engaged in any kind of money laundering.
#3 Were the deposits for the sessions they won in anything out of the norm from their normal playing patterns?
#4 By player, who took a deposit bonus who did not.
#5 By player, who met wagering requirements if they took a bonus, who did not.
#6 Were any of the players 'comped' at any time for any amount during their winning sessions by the casino and if so for how much.
#7 Did the players that received a deposit bonus receive a bonus in amount and terms outside of the ones available to your average every day players and to what degree?
#8 Have you confirmed and verified the source of the originating deposits that resulted in the winning sessions?
#9 Would the casino be willing to release information about the players to CM so that CM can conduct a player cross check with other casinos in order for your casino to substantiate your claims?
#10 Can you confirm that each winning player has absolutely no affiliation with the Casino or RTG either by relation, friendship or business relationship.

I know this is a handful of questions but speaking for myself I still have a very difficult time believing these numbers. The more transparent the casino is, the better their outlook in my opinion.

Hi everyone,

Concerning these questions, I could get all of this information and would love to answer your questions, however, I can't. The player has terms and conditions that s/he has to adhere to, and we do also. On our side, one of these conditions is that we will not report to any third parties about the player's wagering or personal information, of which most of these questions would be a problem in answering.

This is not an excuse for trying to avoid answering and giving more information - I simply don't want us to break these conditions and possibly get us in trouble for it.

I am posting some basic information on the Rushmore thread concerning the 4 players in question from the Rushmore Winners' page of which 2 won RJs on one slot machine in the same month, and the other 2 also winning an RJ on another machine in the same month also.

Regards,

Louise
Rushmore, Cherry Red & Slots Oasis Rep.

 

[Nifty29]

Lets not gloss over the fact that some people in this thread are implying that an accredited casino is cheating or somehow fudging the Random Jackpot winners.

The people concerned can dress it up as "Oh I was only asking" or "It just looks a bit suss" etc etc, but it amounts to exactly what I just stated.

IMO Its time for those concerned to produce hard evidence that the Rushmore Group is somehow behaving in a dishonest manner - or admit they are wrong and drop it.

Forget the spreadsheets of winners and the amounts - they mean zip.

Nobody here knows how many players play at each casino on each slot each day, how much each player wagers on each slot at each casino on each day, what the % contribution is to the RJ pool or what the seed amount was at each casino on each slot .......and without that information nobody can draw any conclusions in regard to whether the results posted are possible or not, and, as a result, whether the Rushmore Group is doing anything underhanded.

Some of you really need to take a long hard look at yourselves and stop making wild accusations about accredited casinos at the first sniff of something unusual. I mean, has anyone ever heard of being discreet?? How about a PM to Bryan or Max to check it out?? Hell no! Lets just make a whole thread about it and let that witch burn!!!!

 

[darkpixie]

I've said it before, but let me repeat myself. Everyone is entitled to voice their own opinion. I know that many on here are watching this thread but not jumping in to state their opinions for fear of the backlash myself and a few others are receiving from just one or two members on here.

Back on topic.

I continue to fail to see how a single player can hit RJ after RJ at substantial amounts only days, and in some cases hours apart. maphesto makes a very good point on the Rushmore thread.

it seems impossible to have those amounts in a few days. At none of the machines the RJ amount has increased even nearly that much after we started to follow them.

Furthermore, of the thousands of players across the Rushmore network, in the last couple of months just over 100 of those have hit these elusive RJ's many of them repeatedly for substantial amounts.

I've played fun play off and on for 5 years at max bet and have hit a random jackpot 2 times. Never have I hit one in real money. I can't bet that high...lol But that is just my personal experience.

Perhaps when CM returns a closer look into this will be had. I don't think its a bad thing that this thread has been out for everyone to see as there can only be one of two outcomes:

#1 CM finds all the wins to be legit and above board and it is announced on here and Rushmore Group gets some GREAT FREE PR

#2 Rushmore loses accreditation or works with CM to bring the games back to fair play for the players.


I think Louise is doing a great job also, she is responsive and not tip toeing around the issues like you would normally expect so that is definitely a positive in their favor.

 

[lots0]

I vote to close this thread and the other "lets trash" the RUSHMORE Group thread.

The question has been asked and answered.

You either except the answer or you don't.

If you don't except the answer, don't play there.

But if you do believe that Rushmore has these jackpots and pays them out... like they have done for YEARS... Then please disregard these unjustified attacks and Happy Jackpot hunting.

The idea of continuing these backhanded attacks on this reputable casino group's credibility is unacceptable.

 

[vinylweatherman]

This kind of issue has come up before, and the answer is linked to the fact that bigger bets give a proportionately bigger chance of triggering the RJ.

For example, a $1 bet might give a 0.001% chance, a $10 bet a 0.01% chance, and a $100 bet a 0.1% chance.

IF a player has ONE big win from an RJ, he is more likely to up their bet (I play like this when I win big, so why should it be a surprise that others do). This then means that it becomes "easier" for players "on a roll" to net a series of RJs before they either calm down from their big betting high, or lose it all back.

The "whales" are ALWAYS making big bets, and such players are more likely to hit the RJ over a given number of spins because each spin buys them a greater chance.

$7Mill may seem like a great deal of wagering, but this is NOT just one player, and if the game is especially popular, it will generate more wagering overall.

This could also relate to the "feature guarantee" feature on one version of this slot (Aztec's Treasure). This is unique to this game (at present), and could itself lead to this slot being far more popular than the others.

 

[lots0]

I know that many on here are watching this thread but not jumping in to state their opinions for fear of the backlash myself and a few others are receiving from just one or two members on here.

Oh thats total Bull...

I been around here a long time... Been on both sides, many times.
People know they can talk to me and get HONEST answers and HONEST feedback... without getting personally attacked. Same thing goes for Nifty.

There are even some folks here that don't like me much and love to argue with me when they think I'm wrong... but they are not showing up here.

You don't want to discuss facts... You seem hell bent on trashing this casino for no good reason... in the face of every reasonable argument.

Every single one of your two 'talking points' has been repeatedly discredited.. yet you persist in these backhanded innuendo attacks.

enough already...

 

[all4greed]

Louise - thanks for the info.

Regarding this person, were these bolded items RJ wins as well? Or bonus/normal spin wins?

Wayne A., Azteks Treasure (Cherry Red):

Wednesday, May 12, 2010 $110,888
Friday, May 7, 2010 $28,950
Saturday, April 24, 2010 $45,530
Friday, April 23, 2010 $19,341
Thursday, April 22, 2010 $8,885

 

[all4greed]

I vote to close this thread and the other "lets trash" the RUSHMORE Group thread.

I don't think so. I've already asked another legitimate question. I have the right to question that a customer won over $213,000 and at least 2 out of those 5 wins were RJs. I want to know if ALL of that money was from RJs.

Remember, they posted the winning amounts on their website and another website confirms that PLUS alot more wins.

If you don't except the answer, don't play there.

It's not a matter of accepting the question and not playing there. The issue is believability and credibility.

The idea of continuing these backhanded attacks on this reputable casino group's credibility is unacceptable.

If by attacks you mean asking legitimate questions, it should be completely acceptable. If DP has said anything slanderous, please point it out.

You have a direct interest in this group for obvious reasons...

 

[all4greed]

And finally one other thing...

Do any of these players, especially the one that hit at least 2 RJ's totalling over $155,000, post about their amazing wins? I searched for some of those winners and sure couldn't find any.

It would be fascinating to read their stories. INetBet has little winners blogs on their newsletters. I've even done a couple for wins I've had there.

 

[lots0]

You have a direct interest in this group for obvious reasons...

Of course I do. Never made any seceret about it. All the more reason for me to be involved.

I'm sure that any legit questions you have will be answered.

If you don't see the innunendo attacks that are going on here... it is only because you don't want to see them, for whatever reason.