Cherry Red random jackpot results - For real?

[darkpixie]

@Dave

Hi Dave, confirmation that they are big wins as well as Jackpots would be great and clear up a few things for us. Please let us know what your findings are.

Thanks!

 

[Dave]

I sent an email to my contact just now. It could be a few days before I get a response (he is likely traveling at the moment), but as soon as I get a response, I'll post here.

 

[maxd]

Need I remind everyone to stay cool and keep it civil? Please keep the personal attacks for your neighbours and politicians.

 

[lots0]

Need I remind everyone to stay cool and keep it civil? Please keep the personal attacks for your neighbours and politicians.

What personal attacks would those be?
All I see are unjustified attacks on Rushmore in this thread.

 

[Nifty29]

I am really trying hard to understand why some people are so hell bent on obtaining so much information about these jackpot winners. Im not being sarcastic - I really am trying to get a handle on it.

As I see it, there are only 2 reasons that someone would insist on such specific details (most of which, as Lots0 said, you probably wont get from any casino):

1. You want to personally contact the winners and congratulate them, or

2. You believe/suspect that the Rushmore Group is totally faking and fudging their winners data to mislead players.

If it is #1 then its nice that you want to do that.

It it is #2 then you are questioning the integrity - publicly I may add - of an Accredited Casino Group.....and all over the fact that some members think that one person won a large amount too many times, or that the jackpot amounts 'dont add up'. Personally, when it comes to gambling, and given that I have known people to play $100 a pop on slots regularly, nothing surprises me about players winning large amounts more often than usual.

Max stated in another post about how much groundwork goes into the accreditation process and how Bryan vets the people who run the show both before they are listed and regularly thereafter. So, if you trust Bryan and his motives and ethics, it should be easy to accept that Accredited Casinos are reputable casinos. The whole concept of Accredited Casinos benefits all members in terms of being able to have issues resolved swiftly and having access to personal assistance via forum reps, in addition to knowing that these operators must adhere to a strict set of guidelines.

Now, here is another question:

If one suspects foul play at an Accredited Casino for whatever reason, what should they do?

1. Create a series of threads and posts suggesting that foul play is occurring and starting a feeding frenzy of accusations

2. Shrug your shoulders and say "Whatever"

3. Contact the rep privately, and then Bryan/Max privately if you are not satisfied with the outcome...and then even PAB if you want.

Ive seen #1 so much lately its making my head spin, Ive thought and seen "Whatever" occasionally.........but I just dont see any hint of the 3rd option i.e. the one a reasonable person would use who respected this forum and its owner. How do I know #3 just doesnt happen - because if it did you would see a post from Max or Bryan stating "Recently xyz was brought to our attention and it has been investigated and this is the outcome etc etc". Trusted operators should not have to defend themselves - they should be given a reasonable opportunity to explain.

The whole basis of the issue here is that some members are convinced that the data supplied by Rushmore on the website and by Louise here at the forums is either not factual, or deliberately concocted to fool players. There is no argument against this - it is a fact - go back and read the thread and all the members stating that it isnt correct or they dont believe it - its all there in black and white.

Therefore, given that fact, why do want Louise to answer more questions? So she can lie to you again like before? Or do you think she is going to tell the truth this time? You more or less call her a liar on one hand, and then you want her to answer more questions on the other. Why would you believe her? Surely if she was trying to pull one over you she would just make some more stuff up....No??

There arent too many good operators left these days, and it seems that some people want to chase them away - doesnt make sense.

If you suspect something - then for goodness sake be a reasonable adult and bring it to the attention of those who can look into it and dont go throwing your suspicions around until the operators/Max/Bryan have a chance to check it out.

Of course, those responsible wont take any notice - but if you dont bother thinking about anything else I said at least think about the impact that your statements/suspicions etc might have both on Casinomeister as whole and, quite possibly innocent, a reputable operator.

 

[Dave]

From what I've seen over the last couple of years, it's common for the same winners to appear multiple times in the winners lists. I've shown a few examples below. When you visit each page, click on the blue "Winner" heading to sort the names in alphabetical order. You'll see many names listed multiple times.

Break da Bank Again (Microgaming slot)
xhttp://www.jackpotgraphs.com/winners/break-da-bank-again-slot-machine.html

Hellboy (Microgaming slot)
xhttp://www.jackpotgraphs.com/winners/hellboy-slot-machine.html

All Slots Casino (Microgaming casino)
xhttp://www.jackpotgraphs.com/winners/all-slots-casino.html

Lucky Nugget Casino (Microgaming casino)
xhttp://www.jackpotgraphs.com/winners/lucky-nugget-casino.html

Royal Vegas Casino (Microgaming casino)
xhttp://www.jackpotgraphs.com/winners/royal-vegas-casino.html

Casino Action (Microgaming casino)
xhttp://www.jackpotgraphs.com/winners/casino-action.html

Crystal Waters (RTG slot)
xhttp://www.jackpotgraphs.com/winners/crystal-waters-slot-machine.html

Rain Dance (RTG slot)
xhttp://www.jackpotgraphs.com/winners/rain-dance-slot-machine.html

Slots Oasis (RTG casino)
xhttp://www.jackpotgraphs.com/winners/slots-oasis.html

Cherry Red Casino (RTG casino)
xhttp://www.jackpotgraphs.com/winners/cherry-red-casino.html

Rushmore Casino (RTG casino)
xhttp://www.jackpotgraphs.com/winners/rushmore-casino.html


Summary: The 3 feeds from the Rushmore group are very similar to the 4 feeds from the Belle Rock, Fortune Lounge, Casino Rewards, and Jackpot Factory groups.

 

[maxd]

I can confirm that Option #3 -- rep/Bryan/Max -- is largely being ignored in these high profile issues. Generally speaking we are hearing absolutely nothing on the back channels insofar as these issues go.

Now why would that be? I'm guessing it's because the back channels do not satisfy the needs and or desires of the folks who are fueling these flame-out issues. Why? Because they are quiet and boring. It's not a good show, it doesn't kick up the dust, maybe break a few reputations and raise a satisfying amount of hell.

Sorry to say but we're in, have been in, a mean season for some time now. For whatever reason some people are pissed off, frustrated, and want to draw a little blood. And some people are just vandals who've joined the gang for a chance to kick in a few windows.

Believe me, I'm not saying that all is well out there in casino land and there are just a few miscreants here causing trouble. I'm catching more belligerence from some of the casino peeps too. I get told to "piss off" a lot more than I did a year ago, for instance. And yes, some casinos -- though I've yet to see anything even approaching real evidence that it's happening at Accreds -- are tightening the screws in a harmful way and are playing more by the Dirty Tricks book than they might otherwise be found doing. Like I said, it's mean season and the burnings winds are blowing.

Needless to say I may just sitting in front of the box too much and YMMV.

What personal attacks would those be?

Are you saying this before or after you've read my PM to you?

 

[lots0]

Are you saying this before or after you've read my PM to you?

Before...

I do apologize for the "stupid" question remark. No question is "stupid".
But some questions are meaningless... and just meant to incite anger and mistrust.

 

[maxd]

But some are meaningless... and just meant to incite anger and mistrust.

Absolutely! And should be called out for exactly those reasons. It's just the "how" of the calling that I was flagging.

 

[darkpixie]

@Nifty

Your points are well taken, a little late in the game but well taken.
Although I can not speak for others in this thread please allow me to explain my position thus:

As I see it, there are only 2 reasons that someone would insist on such specific details (most of which, as Lots0 said, you probably wont get from any casino):

There are more, but here are just 2.

#3 As Max stated ALOT of casinos are "are tightening the screws in a harmful way" so red flags and alarm bells go off in the average players minds when they see data that they perceive to be unbelievable.

#4 As a player you have been considering making a deposit to take advantage of some of their juicy bonuses, but before doing so want to make sure you have done your due diligence.

You have also mentioned:

3. Contact the rep privately, and then Bryan/Max privately if you are not satisfied with the outcome...and then even PAB if you want.

#1 I DID contact the Rep, and then maxd AND Casinomeister, and until recently the rep was coming back with some answers.

#2 I DID NOT PAB because a) I am not a depositing member with a payment issue etc and did not think I would be able to AND b) because the rules of PAB clearly state that efforts must be made to resolve the issue with the Casino Rep here, which again until recently there WAS some headway being made to that effect.

Furthermore, I don't think it was ANYONE'S intention when they woke up in the morning to go on these boards and discredit ANY casino, Accredited or not. Least of all my own.

Both this thread and the Rushmore thread has been completely blown out of proportion IMHO by EVERY SINGLE PERSON that has posted to it. Myself included and I have sat back for the most part for the last couple of days and contemplated this. The discussion has gone repeatedly from simple questions, to badgering to defensiveness to DRAMA DRAMA DRAMA.

If everyone had just taken a breather and a chill pill it wouldn't be the unholy mess it is now.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[lots0]

#3 As Max stated ALOT of casinos are "are tightening the screws in a harmful way" so red flags and alarm bells go off in the average players minds when they see data that they perceive to be unbelievable.

That is NOT what Max said.
You are completly twisting what he did say.
Here is what he did say.

And yes, some though I've yet to see anything even approaching real evidence that it's happening at Accreds -- are tightening the screws in a harmful way and are playing more by the Dirty Tricks book than they might otherwise be found doing.

dp you really have a problem with twisting things around.

 

[darkpixie]

@Lots0

I could post "I like fuzzy white kittens" and you would find fault in it.

Don't expect any further responses from me.

 

[lots0]

@Lots0

I could post "I like fuzzy white kittens" and you would find fault in it.

Don't expect any further responses from me.

I don't like cats. I got a 120 pound dog, that likes cats though (really he likes cats... its weird).

Your going to get called out when you twist the entire meaning of what someone said just to fit your agenda.

If you don't like getting called out when you twist things, don't do it.

 

[RobWin]

Did I miss it somewhere in this thread or the Rushmore thread?

What I'm referring to is this:

Did the Rushmore Rep actually answer the simple question of:

How does the Rushmore Group of Casinos constantly have such mega "Random Jackpots" when none of the other RTG Casinos online ever have them that high on a consistant basis?

There are hundreds of RTG Casinos online, are any of those RJ's at those RTG Casinos even close to the size of the ones at the Rushmore Group?

Can someone here please refer me to that post where those questions were answered....thanks


Disclaimer: I also promote The Rushmore Group of casinos but I would still like to know the unbiased answer to my questions posed above.
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[lots0]

try this Rob, but you'll have to sort through Louse's answers.
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/search/

Just noticed you went with IM and no more PM?

Also, I think Dave looked into it, because he carries the feeds, and I think he said, though I may be wrong, that the feeds from several different groups were about the same over time.

 

[RobWin]

On another note if we compare two "accredited" casino groups here we should see similar metrics' in the similarities of growth and customer base since they have both been in business since 2006:

ClubWorld Casino Group and the Rushmore Casino Group

My point is that I have played at the Clubworld Group of Casinos since their inception and never once has the random jackpots there at Clubworld ever consistently maintained anywhere near the size of Random Jackpots that the Rushmore Group maintains:

So where is the main difference in the metrics' of the two similar matrix's here?

Clubworld also groups a lot of their RJ slot machines games together as well...

So what is the un-common denominator that makes these Random Jackpots at these two casinos so vastly different in size?
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[maphesto]

There are hundreds of RTG Casinos online, are any of those RJ's at those RTG Casinos even close to the size of the ones at the Rushmore Group?

Can someone here please refer me to that post where those questions were answered....thanks

A good question.

In this post there is at least a link to a "perfect" post made by DogBoy:

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/cherry-red-random-jackpot-results-for-real.37964/

Again, in short:

Low reset amount = high triggering chance

High reset amount = low triggering chance

The casino can obviously choose some of these things.

And today I also made a test in fun mode which ended in the fact that ca 2.67% of the wagered money contributed to the RJ at Aztec's Treasure.

ONE pretty fast computer has to work a lot(long time) to raisen the RJ to these hilarious amounts that Rushmore's RJ:s have been hit at.

BUT: I tested a lot of games and normal wins can infact easily be between 5 and 10 grand.

 

[RobWin]

Just noticed you went with IM and no more PM?

Thanks for the link lots0....

I still have PM's available...look again bro..
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[slafs]

Low reset amount = high triggering chance

High reset amount = low triggering chance

Wouldn't that make these RJs few and far apart?

And today I also made a test in fun mode which ended in the fact that ca 2.67% of the wagered money contributed to the RJ at Aztec's Treasure.

Just out of curiosity, how did you get that number?

 

[maxd]

If everyone had just taken a breather and a chill pill it wouldn't be the unholy mess it is now.

I'll second that! A bit of chill would go a long way to improving the atmosphere around here. And I believe I can safely say that applies to both camps.

 

[maphesto]

Just out of curiosity, how did you get that number?

The RJ amount raised with 800$ and my wagering was 30 000$:

800/30 000= 2,67%

I checked several times if I was alone on the machine and everytime I checked it had not moved if I didn't use it.

If anyone else used the machine in fun mode it was exactly when I played and not when I took a break.

 

[darkpixie]

EDIT: The true calculation of % of RTP to jackpot would look more like this actually:

Value of JP increased divided by total paid out to player from all spins

@maphesto - Did you run the same test on a different group? Or can you?

Thanks.

 

[maphesto]

@maphesto - Did you run the same test on a different group? Or can you?

I can do it tomorrow at other places. As usual in fun mode..

My own thoughts so far is that I can't understand why the RJ:s almost aren't moving at all most of the time and suddenly they are hit at hilarious amounts.

 

[darkpixie]

why the RJ:s almost aren't moving at all most of the time and suddenly they are hit at hilarious amounts.

And often. I agree.

Before you run those tests please make sure to take note of the calculations I have posted in the previous (I edited as you were posting when it dawned on me its RTP and not 1.5% per spin)

 

[maphesto]

EDIT: The true calculation of % of RTP to jackpot would look more like this actually:

Value of JP increased divided by total paid out to player from all spins

I have to check DogBoy:s posts and the recalculate if necessary.

EDIT: I have seen your last post darkpixie, I will calculate A LOT..

 

[lots0]

If anyone else used the machine in fun mode it was exactly when I played and not when I took a break.

Why are you assuming that the jackpot display for the free play and the jackpot display for the real jackpots are the same?
They are not.

Why would any casino maintain the free play jp display, when it would cost them time and money and for what? No one is ever going to hit the jackpot in a free play mode slot.

I've got a free play RTG slot thats jackpot shows over one million bucks... but it is just a fun game and the million and the jackpot display are just for fun and will never be paid out. Some of you might even know this slot.

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That game runs on the RTG servers, just like Rushmores. But it is a free game, fun mode only... the jackpot display is also just for fun.

So I ask how can you justify comparing the real jackpot amounts to free play mode displays?

 

[kakata]

Casinos in general, dont cheat, they simply dont cause they CAN NOT.
Why?
Simple answer.
If they could do it, at their own discretion....than there would be no Rogue casinos.
Why?
Even simpler answer
If they could manipulate at their will, there would be no winners ....unless they decided to have few for pubblicity when they needed, instead of going thru shame for not paying.

So in few words:
Rogue are Rogue(and not rouge)cause they DO NOT PAY if you win.
Accredited are Accredited cause they DO pay if you win.

I put it in simple words...also because my vocabulary its filled with only few hundred words indeed.

Now what I believe tho is....they can surely manipulate the percentage of the RTP, it has been said many times....93...95...97%
Im more inclined to believe something starting at 70%( especially in the last several months) and going up from there....NEVER reaching the FABULOUS 97%....but thats just my opinion...that does count for me though.

Now on a different side of this thread.

How come that all of sudden some ppl here feel so passionate about defending casinos and accusing fellow members overall of being paranioc or just cruel against Casinos?

We are gamblers ( I am )and we would love to win, so when we lose we complain...we moan....we see...we feel....we rant......... and BTW I have never been a fan of my opponents...NEVER... in any fields...but Im just A GAMBLER and nothing ELSE.

They are casinos and they want to win.....and they will do anything in their power to do it....as long as they can.
(no cheating tho....simply cause they can not)

No fairy tail no nothing....they want our money.
They have house edge ( sometime is not enuff tho)
We have the rant ...the money(thats what they are after in primis) and all the rest I already said before.

What I hate the most is....you'r losing? dont complain and do not play anymore...
Cm,on what are you a ROBOT...no emotions no feelings...were you made out of marble?
I want to play.
I dont want to lose.
and I want complain...
.I PAY FOR IT...

Third part

I have never taken side with Max nor Brian, just to be cool to them, if I dont agree with wath they say...never.
I made it clear in the past and it is now the same for me.

Well I dont completely undearsteand my self what I wrote....I know what I wanted to say...It may remain a secret to many tho.

 

[maphesto]

Why are you assuming that the jackpot display for the free play and the jackpot display for the real jackpots are the same?

I am not!

Why would any casino maintain the free play jp display, when it would cost them time and money and for what? No one is ever going to hit the jackpot in a free play mode slot.

The fun play mode has it's own RJ. People are hitting it but it's in no way connected to the real money RJ.

This is the truth.

All fun mode games and their extras have to be exactly as their real games.

I am absolutely in no way comparing RJ amounts between real mode and fun mode.
I only show how much money the fun mode machine gives to the RJ.

What I have shown so far is that the amounts can be pretty high. I am absolutely in no way accusing Rushmore.

Infact, what I have shown so far is only good for Rushmore. Everything points to the fact that they really should have higher RJ:s than other RTG:s.

So I ask how can you justify comparing the real jackpot amounts to free play mode displays?

The fun mode game and it's contribution to RJ has to be the same..

Casinos who have had different fun modes and real modes have earlier been placed in the rogue pit, and Rushmore group will hopefully never end up there.

 

[lots0]

All fun mode games and their extras have to be exactly as their real games.

Where are you getting this from?

Casinos who have had different fun modes and real modes have earlier been placed in the rogue pit, and Rushmore group will hopefully never end up there.

Is that true? I don't ever remember a casino being rogued for that.

Casinos have been rogued for having their fun mode slots way looser than the real slots...to lure people in.
But never has a casino been rogued, that I know of, for not having all the features and and having a for 'Fun' jackpot amount. Course I could be wrong.

 

[takethemoney]

I can see where these jackpots could be set very high, like $50k +, IF they were programmed to not payout until the slot had returned a certain profit to the casino. This might make sense, but admission of such by the casino may never happen, falling under the protection of "industry secret". That practice in itself would not be considered cheating, but then how could you explain that the slot will absolutely not pay off at, say....$20,000?

I once posted that I wish the RJs had a must hit by point. As for the argument that nobody would play until they were almost there, well...I have seen machines at the Indian casino that have a must hit by amount and people are still playing those like crazy, even when they are not near the must hit by amount.

 

[maphesto]

Casinos have been rogued for having their fun mode slots way looser than the real slots...to lure people in.

I don't see the difference at all!

I am infact very confused over your questions.

What many people have wondered is how Rushmore RJ:s have grown so big. I have now in this thread(with help from DogBoy's old posts) showed two factors.

1. They have a higher reset value which means a lower triggering chance and higher RJ.

2. A larger contributing to the RJ.

AND if the fun mode has different RJ contributing figures and increased triggering chances they have used rogue methods. They have probably NOT made this mistake.

Why are you discussing things that are infact showing that Rushmore are doing the right thing?

 

[Jasminebed]

Could someone who plays at the Rushmore Group go into the paytable and see what the percentage contribution is to the Random Jackpot, particularly for any slot with very high jackpots, and the Aztek Treasure Maphesto has been kind enough spend his time with.

Also, as I understand it, the RTG accumulates from Wagers, so I think Maphesto's calculation is correct if the play meter is adding correctly.

I think it may vary from Casino to Casino whether you can even hit the RJ in fun mode. I used to pop them pretty often at $100 spins, then I went a very long time without ever seeing any, but my free play was mostly at one casino. I couldn't even pop a Minor for some of the new games, but when Twister first came out I could usually nail it at max bet pretty often.

But I tried Roberta's Castles in fun Mode at Manhatten Slots (which does pool slots in a very clear manner... Soho, Montreal, Tokyo, etc) as does Alladin's Gold (Ruby, Diamond, Emerald, etc.) and it started at $1000 for me and went off after a short period of time, so I think it depends on the Casino if they RJ wins are available in fun mode.

It's late, and I have some more thoughts on how they might get to be so high, but I need a little further research, but I found the info at jackpotgraphs very interesting about a lot of casinos.

That the winners feed contains wins non-RJ wins as well certainly explains seeing the same names over again... makes sense that the high rollers, or people with bigger bankrolls from a win might bet higher.

As Robwin pointed out, just because they are doing something different does not mean they are doing wrong or cheating.

Lots0 said that big jackpots are good. I say the big jackpots have to come from somewhere, when they are not the same as other RTGs in general.

If jackpot contributions come from wagers at a higher rate (and it is published as such in the paytables), and a lower chance of hitting on any given spin to increase variance for a bigger payout, that could all be well and good and just what certain players are hoping for. Might be a different consumer choice for other patrons.

Personally, I'd like to see some video games choices at RTG that are not progressive.

I'll have more to say later.

 

[Dave]

Hi all,

I heard back from my contact at the Rushmore group. He confirmed that the list of winners is legit. He also said that they don't have time or energy to start fabricating wins, and that people who play $100 per spin do win big sometimes.

Hopefully this helps...

 

[Mavin1]

This is just my opinion. As a long time player and a fairly new forum member I have noted the association the monster RJ's had in the past with rogue casinos. The rogues were most likely the ones to see these big tempting RJ's at. This is not to say that all monster RJ's are only at rogues, but maybe in the back of many peoples minds this is the underlying thought. The association of monster mega RJ's = rogue, i.e. virtual and so on.

My other thought is if they are "Random", then why so high? If they are set to payout after a pre-determined amount has been taken in, how is this then random? Or does it only become random once this amount has been acheived?

So no bashing this casino or any other, but I don't play there simply because this is how I perceive it.

 

[darkpixie]

FYI.

I have received word from Louise that there is no separate VIP client. All players connect to the same servers for their games and see the same Random Jackpots.

 

[darkpixie]

FWIW I had a nice cashout at 32Red, so I thought I would take my chances with the 400% bonus at Rushmore (as an experiment). Sad to say with $100 deposit, and $400 bonus my balance never went over $650, and that was betting $5 a pop until I just couldn't do it anymore. Largest win was about $200... How anyone can hit spin on $100 bet there is beyond me...

I know we will never know for sure, but I swear they must put 50% of the players RTP into the RJ...LOL Every time I won even a tiny amount the ticker would spin like crazy.

Another interesting thing I noticed during my play, and I have noticed something similar at other RTG's but the higher the Random Jackpot the tighter the machine. Over 1000 spins on Cleo's at 20 cents not a single decent win or feature. That's gotta be unheard of

I also wonder if their RTP is the same in fun mode, as I was able to roll up $500 in fun mode to a tidy sum, doing nothing particularly different.

Anyways, with a 400% bonus I went in knowing I was never gonna cash out unless I magically hit one of their randoms.

 

[eu_lowroller]

$100 deposit, and $400 bonus
was betting $5

$5 spins for this balance?

wow, no wonder, that this money went faster down to zero, then hell, because it's the same, fi you would bet 20 cent on only a $20 deposit, so there's not any problem to go down to zero without hitting anything

 

[darkpixie]

Well only $5 a spin as my balance hovered at the $500 part. But whatever, still would suspect to have hit SOMETHING decent.

 

[Dinahnana]

Well only $5 a spin as my balance hovered at the $500 part. But whatever, still would suspect to have hit SOMETHING decent.

I have had only one cashout out at Cherry Red. I agree the higher the jackpot the tighter the machine. I gave up playing at that casino because the slots are soo slow in spinning. If that improved then I think I would really enjoy Cherry Red. I find it equal to other RTGS, slots aren't super loose or super tight and sometimes you get a brutal session others are decent. I think that is par for the course.

Also I don't think it matters if you bet $5 or $1 if you hit lull in the slot you aren't going to win anything decent. Then again it just takes that one hit sometimes to make the playthrough on the bonus and cash out!

All in all I think that when you go in thinking that if you bet X amount of money you will get a decent win you will be sadly disapointed. Most of my winning sessions came when I thought I was gonna bust out for sure. Every time I think I am going to get lucky I end up with nothing. Thats Murphys law.

 

[takethemoney]

Well only $5 a spin as my balance hovered at the $500 part. But whatever, still would suspect to have hit SOMETHING decent.

With $500 your are an agressive $1 player, not $5. You can hit something on a 400% bonus with a 25X playthru. I've done it. You only allowed for 100 spins. You can hit a bad run and easily go 100 spins without hitting anything. Now I'm no expert, but I have a hard time listening to people complain when they play stupidly.

 

[darkpixie]

Not complaining at all, I was playing go big or go home at first but then when my balance got down to about 200, I got cautious with 20-60 cent spins and still hit nada. (I played ALOT of spins) Anyways, I requested my play log from the casino, got it mailed today but its password protected???, so emailed support again to get that fixed up....

 

[takethemoney]

Not complaining at all, I was playing go big or go home at first but then when my balance got down to about 200, I got cautious with 20-60 cent spins and still hit nada. (I played ALOT of spins) Anyways, I requested my play log from the casino, got it mailed today but its password protected???, so emailed support again to get that fixed up....

You don't need a play log for that small of session to understand what happened to you. Even if you had played 20c per spin that's still too small of sample size to determine anything other than it was a bad session, most of which was self inflicted by your bet size.

 

[darkpixie]

I got the correct report now. I think, but its very confusing... Anyone an expert on how to read this stuff?
Total spins was 7507 at various bet amounts.

 

[SteveCut]

I just read through this thread and found it very interesting. Just to make it clear that I do not have an agenda, I knew absolutely nothing in advance about the casinos or the major protagonists in this thread. Here's my two penn'orth FWIW ( ≈£0.02 )

I am very surprised by the actions of the defence attorneys in this case. I picture them as crabs sitting in their holes saying "You won't find anything here. Why are you poking around here with those sticks? Why would you want to do this? What's your agenda?" When it was blatantly clear why the investigators were suspicious. The same players were winning what appeared to be jackpots over and over and over again. But rather than say, "yeah, that's a bit strange, we'd better look into that" they just continued sitting in their holes seemingly intent on trying to discredit the investigators.

To my mind the investigators clearly did not have any kind of personal agenda (unlike the defence.) I thought darkpixie reacted to some scuttling crabish forays with remarkable and admirable restraint and All4greed just kept poking whilst repelling the crabs with some deliciously well-aimed innuendo (apparently crabs hate innuendo. )

In the end it was the work of the investigators that uncovered the possible explanation that these repeat winners are not just jackpot winners, but high-rollers getting their occasional (highly advertised) big hit amongst their run-of-the-mill (nary a mention) overwhelming losses. Something that surely could have been clarified three weeks ago by the site rep (or a more pro-active defence attorney), thus saving the casino a lot of bad, and possibly unjustified, publicity?

Finally, I'd like to offer a belated thank you to one quiet, sensible voice suggesting an explanation earlier in the debate:

I might be missisng something, but I don't see anyplace where it says that they are necessarily random jackpots that are being won. It could just be that some of these people bet big so they end up with the big wins. I see it says big winners not random jackpot winners.

Okay I'll but out now.

Michelle

Personally, I'm still not convinced that these winners are genuine. Now if they were to display a list of big losers with names like Wayne and Tammy appearing again and again, I'd be quite happy to believe that!

 

[darkpixie]

Thank you for your kind words! If you enjoyed this thread make sure you don't miss this one https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/rushmore-randoms.37854/ which was in the end locked due to the 'crabs' constant derailment. (and yes I took the bait unfortunately)

 

[all4greed]

I just read through this thread and found it very interesting...

Thanks for your perspective.

Last time I checked, Wayne A. had over $300,000 in big wins. Hope he didn't give it all back.

 

[darkpixie]

I'd be happy with just 10% of Waynes big wins...heheh