Btg how do you get away with it

[neon claws]

What you wrote is right only on one condition: there is unlimited money available for spend by the players.

No it isn't.
Whether the player loses $0.14 per $1 spin on average or $0.04 the typical gambler will still end up losing their $100 bankroll eventually and the provider has made $100, the only difference being the average speed at which it occurs and the players experience and thus likelihood to return to the game in future.

 

[brianmon]

No it isn't.
Whether the player loses $0.14 per $1 spin on average or $0.04 the typical gambler will still end up losing their $100 bankroll eventually and the provider has made $100, the only difference being the average speed at which it occurs and the players experience and thus likelihood to return to the game in future.

If that's the case then why are casinos lowering the RTP, giving players a worse experience?

 

[abuyang]

Whether the player loses $0.14 per $1 spin on average or $0.04 the typical gambler will still end up losing their $100 bankroll eventually and the provider has made $100, the only difference being the average speed at which it occurs and the players experience and thus likelihood to return to the game in future.

Imagine the money that all the gamblers of the world are ready to spend in the next month as a pie. With Playngo’s (84%) bite being 4 times bigger than Btg’s (96%) and assuming all the other factors being equal - who will get the bigger share of the pie at the end of the month? The answer is obvious.

 

[brianmon]

Imagine the money that all the gamblers of the world are ready to spend in the next month as a pie. With Playngo’s (84%) bite being 4 times bigger than Btg’s (96%) and assuming all the other factors being equal - who will get the bigger share of the pie at the end of the month? The answer is obvious.

It's actually the casinos who get the bigger share. they'll get the 4% / 16%, the providers then get a percentage of that amount. IIRC about 10%, but it varies. So although there could be a difference for the providers, it won't be quite so dramatic.

 

[abuyang]

It's actually the casinos who get the bigger share. they'll get the 4% / 16%, the providers then get a percentage of that amount. IIRC about 10%, but it varies. So although there could be a difference for the providers, it won't be quite so dramatic.

Still 10% of 16% is 4 times bigger number than 10% of 4%. Quite dramatic change by any measure.

 

[mack341]

Every time I touch a 94% png, just with leftover pennies mostly, they are absolutey vile. How can a constant near run of 20 dead spins be gambling fun for the mass public, it's guaranteed losing at quick pace. Yet the same games at 96% were in my experience some of the more less risky, fun games to play. It's staggering to me that 2% could change the odds that much for the frequency of base game wins and landing the feature.

 

[cncas2123]

Still 10% of 16% is 4 times bigger number than 10% of 4%. Quite dramatic change by any measure.

But you are making the supposition that for every pound spent on png @ 84% a pound is spent on btg @96%. i would doubt very much if the spend on those providers are the same pound for pound and its unlikely that happens.
it could very well be that btg are getting 4% of £90 and png are getting 16% of £10 for every £100 spent and much prefer the 4% take than the 16% in those circumstances.

 

[Kroffe]

Every time I touch a 94% png, just with leftover pennies mostly, they are absolutey vile. How can a constant near run of 20 dead spins be gambling fun for the mass public, it's guaranteed losing at quick pace. Yet the same games at 96% were in my experience some of the more less risky, fun games to play. It's staggering to me that 2% could change the odds that much for the frequency of base game wins and landing the feature.

To me it makes alot more sense if instead of thinking 'its just 2%' you instead think 'the house just increased its edge with 50%'
Its hard enough to win on a 96% slot, so giving the house an extra 50% edge is sure to make it harder.

And on many sites its not 'only' a 50% increase its 100% or more.
And the higher the rtp was on the slot in the beginning the bigger the difference will be of course.
On slots like bloodsuckers that normally run on 98% rtp the drop to 94% means you give the house an extra 200% edge.

No more math, ran out of fingers to count on.

 

[hhhelllo]

BTG is dreadful indeed. Until it pays.
Recently made 3500$ with a 20$ deposit on royal mint and lil devil. Am I up on these games? Nope.

 

[Daavid63]

I can 100% agree with this statement.

But the reality is that you account for a very small percentage of players that play as a form of entertainment
and not as an addiction.

The question is why would a player keep hitting the spin button if a particular slot keeps slaughtering their balance
and they wholeheartedly believe that the game they're playing is without a shadow of a

 

[Jono777]

All of this could (and should) be VERY easily avoided

Simply get all licence issuers MGA/UKGC/ etc etc to put a rule in place, something realistic for all like "All games on offer must carry an RTP of at least 94%" otherwise you'll be fined along with the rest of rule breaking conditions.

However back in the real world, this will never happen due to one simple word, I have used time and again on these subjects, GREED!

 

[hhhelllo]

All of this could (and should) be VERY easily avoided

Simply get all licence issuers MGA/UKGC/ etc etc to put a rule in place, something realistic for all like "All games on offer must carry an RTP of at least 94%" otherwise you'll be fined along with the rest of rule breaking conditions.

However back in the real world, this will never happen due to one simple word, I have used time and again on these subjects, GREED!

Well they did… but 87 was their greedy number. Fkn pigs

 

[gonzo fonso]

no point getting excited no more,once that removal of autoplay kicks in october thats it,even Nick slots its looking like isnt even gonna bother no more,and with uploads of streams from uk players getting lesser and lesser that says it all about slotting in the uk,its over

 

[thr0b]

I suspect you over-estimate the importance of auto-play to most people. I personally doubt that the vast majority of people are loading games in order to set 100 spins while they’re doing something else.

Which is why getting rid of them is futile anyway.

 

[Jono777]

Yeah, I've never really got the big issue with auto removal.

People mention 'doing other things' however I thought the whole idea (if you are in to it) of slotting was to get involved, enjoy the session, relax, swap games (talking pre rigged times of course )

My 'other things' are all long done before even the thought of a slots session crosses my mind, get them out of the way first as priority THEN (try) and relax and unwind with a session.

Again it is another case of being seen to be doing the "right thing" without any previous knowledge and experience of where the problems truly lie, something we've seen time and again and will sadly see lots more evidence of in coming times.

 

[gonzo fonso]

I suspect you over-estimate the importance of auto-play to most people. I personally doubt that the vast majority of people are loading games in order to set 100 spins while they’re doing something else.

Which is why getting rid of them is futile anyway.

in a nutshell the main reason for the removal of autospins is to put people off doing endless spins on slots,there would be no other logic reason why they are removing them

 

[kennygamerboy]

in a nutshell the main reason for the removal of autospins is to put people off doing endless spins on slots,there would be no other logic reason why they are removing them

It’s a joke they have no idea about why most people use auto spin I for one use it to keep track of loss and so I know when to walk away from a slot without auto spin there’s nothing telling you you’ve reached a loss limit

 

[Slottery]

I suspect you over-estimate the importance of auto-play to most people. I personally doubt that the vast majority of people are loading games in order to set 100 spins while they’re doing something else.

Which is why getting rid of them is futile anyway.

In regulators opinion that is bad thing to do and they thought it's better not to have this function as it might cause gambling problems and they think it's not entertainment gambling anymore if people don't even look at their spins but do other things and just leave slot to eat your money and just take another set of 100 spins once finished....

Maybe the world is a safer place without autoplay (at least lovely regulator believe it is)

 

[trancemonkey]

Apart from a few dogs, have found most BTG games play reasonably consistant and fair.Having said that I get the feeling
that there is a quite a lot of stuff going off in the background we dont know about.
At least as far as I know there is only one rtp setting for each game and that never changes, a rarity for most developers.
One game which always seemed to play well under the rtp for me was Donuts until a couple of big hits which put it bang on target.

Depending on the volatility, anywhere up to 100k would have you within 1% of the target, assuming a 95% confidence level

 

[trancemonkey]

Not sure they are 'easily disproven', the slots and casino industry is hardly the most transparent entity, basically the end user has to trust the system, which means that all the businesses act with honesty and integrity, and the regulating bodies know the technical side inside out, and their system of checks is very thorough. As people have mentioned previously look at VW and the emissions scandal, which involved software tricks deceiving the tests.

Except we have to provide ALL the source code. Which VW didn't. Hardly the same is it.

 

[mack341]

Except we have to provide ALL the source code. Which VW didn't. Hardly the same is it.

I was aware you mentioned previously the source code is provided to the testing house(?) but my memory was sketchy, I did not know that regarding VW, I assumed someone had the source code in order to detect the cheat within it.

edit: any view on the netent streetfighter exploit, should that have been detected in a source code review/examination by the testing house or netent's software programmers?

 

[mack341]

For completeness:

Probably the same reason as the VW scandal, things can be hidden in software. I thought I recall Trance saying they do look at the code but I may have been imagining that.

 

[dec2008mcl]

Has nobody found a suitable /acceptable/trustworthy online non ukgc establishment, if you get my Nestle Drifter

 

[trancemonkey]

I was aware you mentioned previously the source code is provided to the testing house(?) but my memory was sketchy, I did not know that regarding VW, I assumed someone had the source code in order to detect the cheat within it.

edit: any view on the netent streetfighter exploit, should that have been detected in a source code review/examination by the testing house or netent's software programmers?

Street Fighter was bad design, coding and testing. But test houses test stakes in isolation, as they should unless for some reason I can't imagine, some game requires changes to stake.

But as the exploit was to do with changing stake, this would likely not have been caught by GLI (for example)

 

[Big Time Gaming]

In response to the op @kennygamerboy, we have historically answered all reasonable questions. In regards to your post, to use the word rigged is wrong as it denotes dishonest manipulation. Slots are created for the house to win / player to lose, this is an honest fact. Our games are for entertainment and amusement, we're really not providing a get-rich-quick scheme! We provide the RTP clearly for our games and don't give operators the option to change them. The RTP may fluctuate from session to session, but it will be bang on the RTP over the lifetime of a game.

However, having said that, I would recommend if you are significantly behind on a game, it would be wise to stop as it may take a huge bankroll to get you back to an RTP relevent position depending on the volatility of the slot in question.

In terms of how compliance works, @trancemonkey is possibly the most accurate and trusted source of correct information related to how this works regarding testing, etc, as he is not affiliated with us in any way. He is, in fact, a ray of non-bias light in what seems to be a long and murky tunnel for most.

In terms of our sale to Evolution, nothing has changed; we are still releasing games via our partners, namely, SG Digital, Microgaming, and Relax, and no math or RTP has changed as everything is still the same as the day it was launched (in terms of RTP) the only changes we make are for patches to fix bugs/updates for new versions of iOS/Windows, etc.

I'm still here as CEO of BTG for the long term, and happy to discuss/answer any topics/questions. I'm looking forward to revealing what we will be doing with Evolution in the next few years, some great times ahead, and we'll have some wonderful innovations to share with you all in the not-too-distant future!

Cheers!