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BTG feature buys no longer in the UK

Mixed feelings about this. The bonus buys where you can gamble your spins/multiplier are probably the worst kind while on White Rabbit for example you're atleast guaranteed the feature you just bought. But since it's easier to just blanket ban any and all bonus buy I get it they don't make a distinction between the two. On the other hand, people who want to do their bollocks in will still do them... You don't need bonus buys for that.

To be honest, what I hope is that they will just roll out versions without bonus buys to all jurisdictions and in the mean time do something about bonus frequency. Idle hope most likely...
 
Anybody know when this is in effect from?

Well the game providers already informed to action. So it us now up to the operator. I'm pretty sure some will extend it as long as possible,until the game provider starts to threatened them - they will action.

I have all the thrust in blueprint being fast to remove the feature buy, however, I finished the removal of the games for UK customers upon login.

These megaways/multiplier games are left to play:
- Rainbow riches megaways
- Bonanza
- Diamond Mine
- Bar-X Safecrackerwhore (dont copy/paste)
- Batteship Direct Hit MEgaways
- Irish Riches Megaways
- Kingmakers megaways
- Primal Megaays
- Raging Rhino Megaways
- Slots O Gold Megaways
- Tiki Treasure megaways
- Bonanza
- Who wants to be a millionaire
- Diamond mine
- Danger High Voltage
- DOnuts
- Lil devil
- Final of countdown
- Dragon Born
- Holy Diver
- Kingmaker Megaways
- Opal Fruits
- Queen of Riches
- Starquest
 
I wonder why the UKGC don't simply revoke the certification of these slots and eliminate the problem at source?

It seems slightly contradictory that they are instructing casinos to remove games which are presumably still certified?

But in regards to the decision - the UKGC are showing once again that they are a regulator focused on protecting players. Bravo!

I am personally a fan of bonus buys and big bets but understand they have the potential to cause responsible gambling issues, therefore, I support this decision for the greater good.
 
Quite suprized they have the power to introduce this out the blue considering how long it took to reduce the fobt stakes.
Actually think its unfair on the developers, they produce a game that conforms to the existing regulations then have the rug
pulled out from under them with no warning.
Personally i will miss the bonus buys, never went silly enough with them to cause problems,but I realize some players may have
tilted big time with them.
It will kill off some of the games as the base play can be dire and removing a means of getting a feature without
going brain dead is going to put players off.I also think the streamers may have played a part in this decision as
anyone watching multiple buys at 1k a pop may well think there is a problem here
One game that will suffer is Chilli,it will be close to impossible to gamble up to 24 spins when it could take hundreds
of plays to achieve a feature it the first place.
 
One game that will suffer is Chilli,it will be close to impossible to gamble up to 24 spins when it could take hundreds
of plays to achieve a feature it the first place.

I suspect it won’t affect that many people; the bonus buy is so expensive and returns so poor, would regular players serious risk the gamble that far?

Playing it on BTG’s demo server, the feature buy would genuinely just about break even on average. Usually the win would be less than the buy-in though, which is logical; a big win from a 20p spin natural feature is one thing, but once you’ve paid 100x that about for the same feature, the win isn’t so good.
 
But in regards to the decision - the UKGC are showing once again that they are a regulator focused on protecting players. Bravo!

I am personally a fan of bonus buys and big bets but understand they have the potential to cause responsible gambling issues, therefore, I support this decision for the greater good.

Thats pretty much my view too, I am in control and aren't going to (I hope) go mental on buying bonuses, however, I can see how easy someone could. When XC came out I took a £20 deposit up to around a £4k withdrawal buy only doing bonus buys, starting at £10, until at the end I was doing £500 ones. I've rarely touched it since then, but on the times I have, have had 10+ losing gambles in a row on more than one occasion. I can see how easy it would be to start chasing losses. I've said since the day it was released that I thought it would get banned as I thought it was as far from responsible gambling as was possible.
 
Quite suprized they have the power to introduce this out the blue considering how long it took to reduce the fobt stakes.
Actually think its unfair on the developers, they produce a game that conforms to the existing regulations then have the rug
pulled out from under them with no warning.
Personally i will miss the bonus buys, never went silly enough with them to cause problems,but I realize some players may have
tilted big time with them.
It will kill off some of the games as the base play can be dire and removing a means of getting a feature without
going brain dead is going to put players off.I also think the streamers may have played a part in this decision as
anyone watching multiple buys at 1k a pop may well think there is a problem here
One game that will suffer is Chilli,it will be close to impossible to gamble up to 24 spins when it could take hundreds
of plays to achieve a feature it the first place.

TBH there is no real reason to lose Chilli, rabbit etc all they have to do is take away the ability to buy it early or at all, the coin meter could still stay.
 
The feature buy ought to stay on the likes of White Rabbit for one, albeit perhaps just at minimum stake and to be 'used' a certain number of times, if the UKGC were in any way interested in minimising harmful tilt-ey gambling.

But being the experts they are they've decided to napalm the feature altogether

-because that'll solve Problem Gambling

All the likes of BTG & co will do is incorporate in-game gambles, i.e "Congratulations! You've won 50x stake! Wish to gamble for a bonus?"
 
I think providers already knew this was likely to come. Haven’t Btg already counteracted this effectively with Lil Devil. You can’t buy the feature outright admittedly but you are paying for the accumulation of hearts that trigger the bonus. It has to be factored into the rtp. It’s effectively the same as collecting coins in Chilli and commits you to the game once you have collected a few.
 
In the letter it stated: ....

Which offer the option of staking significant amounts of money to access a bonus feature without playing the initial stages of the game. These additional stakes can be many times the maximum ‘base’ stake of the game. It is this option of purchasing the bonus feature for significantly more times the base stake which causes concern.

I think this pretty much sums it up. BTG allow 20 to 40 Eur as a maximum bet in their base games.

On the other hand, they then allow you to purchase a feature for 2000 Eur.

Wheres the consistency in that?

Remember how committed they were to RG by limiting your spins to 100 @ a time :rolleyes:?

On the other hand when quizzed about the feature buys, the CEO always disappeared or avoided the subject altogether.

BTG are the biggest bullshitters you will ever come across. All their slots employ some cheap mechanic to entice their players to keep playing longer ...

Nate
 
I think this pretty much sums it up. BTG allow 20 to 40 Eur as a maximum bet in their base games.

On the other hand, they then allow you to purchase a feature for 2000 Eur.

Wheres the consistency in that?

Remember how committed they were to RG by limiting your spins to 100 @ a time :rolleyes:?

On the other hand when quizzed about the feature buys, the CEO always disappeared or avoided the subject altogether.

BTG are the biggest bullshitters you will ever come across. All their slots employ some cheap mechanic to entice their players to keep playing longer ...

Nate
I remember Nick banging on in an interview, about how responsible they were by not allowing you to skip the pay count up screens in Bonanza or use quickspin, as he didn't think it would be very responsible to allow someone to spend their money any quicker.
They then brought in feature buys, allowing someone to spend 50x stake in one spin. Still waiting for him to answer how exactly that is responsible, taking into account his previous statements.


Also, love the way casinogrounds have pretty much used the first page in this thread as their story on this, can they not do their own research.
 
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Well this explains it....
I had an email midweek from Miduar with a 200% match bonus advertising BTG,Extra Chilli etc.
So tonight think why not, log in and no chilli to be found, strange thing is though they have removed DHV aswell.
Only BTG they have left is Bonanza and Millionaire .
Why would they remove DHV???
 
My early take on things.




I agree with most of what you say but I think people should have a choice to play the games like lil devil, you know what your getting into more at least with those as you can make that decision as soon as you start playing and TBH i play very few of them esp the yggdrasil ones, however bring back chilli with the buy removed but can still work towards a free one with coins i dont think is at all bad.

The reason why I dont believe all "chase mechanic" type games you say should be banned is where do you draw the line?.... as you would technically have to lose Immortal romance as well given that you have to work through loads of feature triggers to open all the free spin modes........ There is many more games that effectively would have to go if you had your way on banning all slots with any kind of progression :( just saying.....
 
I agree with most of what you say but I think people should have a choice to play the games like lil devil, you know what your getting into more at least with those as you can make that decision as soon as you start playing and TBH i play very few of them esp the yggdrasil ones, however bring back chilli with the buy removed but can still work towards a free one with coins i dont think is at all bad.

The reason why I dont believe all "chase mechanic" type games you say should be banned is where do you draw the line?.... as you would technically have to lose Immortal romance as well given that you have to work through loads of feature triggers to open all the free spin modes........ There is many more games that effectively would have to go if you had your way on banning all slots with any kind of progression :( just saying.....

I mainly agree with that too (wtf is happening, I'm agreeing with people far too much :D )
The chase type ones I don't have a problem with and nor, I suspect, will the UKGC
The one like the new microgaming on where you have to pay ridiculous amounts (compared to stake) to respin 1 reel, good luck with that gaming providers ;)
 
good i hate the feature buy, no need for it and should have never been allowed by the UKGC in the first place. even worse when BTG had a gamble with the buy feature.

and i will admit i did complain( by email) to the UKGC, my local mp and to gambling related harm appg ( the people behind the fobt's lower stake)

I had email from UKGC that said it was up to the casino to watch players dont spend to much on feature buys and to check if players are changing there patterns on spending and depositing due to the buy feature. i replied to them with proof off one casino accredited on here that allowed a player to spend over £1000 on feature buys in a day and who normally only spends £50 - £100 a month ( on just spins not buy features) and UKGC never got back to me.

so contacted gambling related harm appg and sent them a copy of the UKGC email.
gambling related harm appg did contact me back and i had nice conversation with a person associated with them. and they did say they would be contacting the UKGC. and will be looking in to the buy feature.

so i hope i had something to do with it.

So just because you don't like it, nobody else should either? There are plenty of responsible players buying bonuses, without spending their life savings. I don't even live in the UK, but what you said is the most selfish thing i have seen anyone write on this forum.

I don't see the problem with feature buys, and recently we have had some lower cost feature buys on games like Safari Gold Megaways for just 20x the stake, which i really like.

Buying a feature you can gamble is something i can understand people having issues with, but not the normal feature buys. Many of the current games can go 1000 spins without giving you a feature, and usually end up costing more than just buying it.
 
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Slightly unrelated, but Just opened mercy of the gods at unibet and was taken aback to see the opening spin value set to £10 :eek:

Come on guys (netent) you're just attracting trouble for no good reason, there was another netent game I tried the other day, a new one, and where the max bet button normally is, instead were just 2 arrows pointing left, I didn't know what it was, quickspin or max stake. the autospin button option was separate so it wasn't that. The game I think was 'arcane'
 
So just because you don't like it, nobody else should either? There are plenty of responsible players buying bonuses, without spending their life savings. I don't even live in the UK, but what you said is the most selfish thing i have seen anyone write on this forum.

I don't see the problem with feature buys, and recently we have had some lower cost feature buys on games like Safari Gold Megaways for just 20x the stake, which i really like.

Buying a feature you can gamble is something i can understand people having issues with, but not the normal feature buys. Many of the current games can go 1000 spins without giving you a feature, and usually end up costing more than just buying it.

How is it selfish ?.

slots didnt need feature buys before or need now.

people play bonanza and that dont have a feature buy yet how many play that game?.

BTG got to f-in greedy
 
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Also, love the way casinogrounds have pretty much used the first page in this thread as their story on this, can they not do their own research.

Not sure if connected but these guys do regularly compilations of biggest community wins. Until the last one, the bet sizes were 5, 6, 10, 20... you name it, mostly around those numbers bar some on DoA with 0.09 or similar. The majority though on high stakes including feature buys on Money Train for a ton, etc.

On the latest compilation, the highest bet was GBP1. :what:

Coincidence? Have the high rollers all vanished in a matter of days? :confused:

IMO, affiliates and affiliate forums promoting high stakes play will be next on the UKGC's radar and these guys might have heard a rumour (which is rife in this industry) and are trying to sell themselves as the "small bets/responsible gambling" advocates. Could all be a coincidence though.
 
We received the news yesterday and advised our partners to take the games offline immediately which they have done. We are looking to redeploy the games in the future. The games may maintain the coins and deliver a feature drop once the price tag is at zero. We have enquiried to see if there is an acceptable benchmark purchase price (in terms of the reduction) we will keep you up to date with any decisions either way.
 
On the other hand, people who want to do their bollocks in will still do them... You don't need bonus buys for that.

So true, i cant see the benefit. I dont know much about gambling in general but cant you sports bet, bingo, scratchcard silly amounts in one hit? What about walking into a casino and whacking down 100 on red?

My mate always saves them down to about a £1 on stakes 20p,40p,60p,80p, £1 and then buys them all for £1 each on a weekend !

Me and my pal are similar though i must admit i am not as disciplined. I only stay in these games when they seemingly wager and build up for the buys. Wild Swarm i am definitely in profit with and the same with White Rarebit and Holy Diver.

So just because you don't like it, nobody else should either?

Exactly.....freedom of choice is spoilt for the masses by the select few.

The people making these rules are already loaded. If I want to blow some money on some feature buys on my birthday why shouldnt i?

Not everybody who gambles has a gambling problem.
 
Not sure if connected but these guys do regularly compilations of biggest community wins. Until the last one, the bet sizes were 5, 6, 10, 20... you name it, mostly around those numbers bar some on DoA with 0.09 or similar. The majority though on high stakes including feature buys on Money Train for a ton, etc.

On the latest compilation, the highest bet was GBP1. :what:

Coincidence? Have the high rollers all vanished in a matter of days? :confused:

IMO, affiliates and affiliate forums promoting high stakes play will be next on the UKGC's radar and these guys might have heard a rumour (which is rife in this industry) and are trying to sell themselves as the "small bets/responsible gambling" advocates. Could all be a coincidence though.

They have 2 compilations every week: one of streamers on tuesday and one of videos that are sent in by other gamblers on friday. Most of those on friday are on lower stakes :thumbsup:
 
Not sure if connected but these guys do regularly compilations of biggest community wins. Until the last one, the bet sizes were 5, 6, 10, 20... you name it, mostly around those numbers bar some on DoA with 0.09 or similar. The majority though on high stakes including feature buys on Money Train for a ton, etc.

On the latest compilation, the highest bet was GBP1. :what:

Coincidence? Have the high rollers all vanished in a matter of days? :confused:

IMO, affiliates and affiliate forums promoting high stakes play will be next on the UKGC's radar and these guys might have heard a rumour (which is rife in this industry) and are trying to sell themselves as the "small bets/responsible gambling" advocates. Could all be a coincidence though.

You're not mixing up the streamer big wins and those submitted by the readers of their forum by any chance? The latter ones do usually contain the lower stakes whilst the former ones the bigger ones as most streamers these days play at higher stakes?
 
You're not mixing up the streamer big wins and those submitted by the readers of their forum by any chance? The latter ones do usually contain the lower stakes whilst the former ones the bigger ones as most streamers these days play at higher stakes?
They have 2 compilations every week: one of streamers on tuesday and one of videos that are sent in by other gamblers on friday. Most of those on friday are on lower stakes :thumbsup:

Thanks for clearing that up. Shows how little I watch streamer stuff. Had no clue they were doing two types of compilations.
 
I'm not gonna say I told you so, but...

I told you so...

I remember many other threads where I said that this would happen. That the UKGC would outright ban them if providers were not more sensible about it...

If the providers had capped the BAB cost (i.e not raised it by stake) then maybe this would not have happened, but honestly, it was always going to.

That said, remember this is UK only. The providers will still keep these on their games, they will just give operators the option to disable them for UK players.
 
The next step for the UKGC has to be the introduction of a Max Bet across all games, as they can’t introduce all these other changes to RG, but turn a blind eye to the stakes available to be played.

Look at a Tombola, aren’t all their slots limited to £1 max bet? They seem to do pretty well :)

Sure, the UKGC are going to zap the fun out of gambling full stop, it’s just going to create an even bigger grey market.

This removal of bonus buys good for problem gamblers, yes! but bad for developers who are trying to bring out fresh ideas.

Rob :)
 
The only people this hurts is the casinos who are greedy. In general gamblers will now have to gamble more slowly and lose slower.

Those feature buys can make even more sensible person tilt, so nice to see a BGT disease rid of in the UK.
 
I'm not gonna say I told you so, but...

I told you so...

Yes I specifically reference you in the video trancemonkey, you posted here 12 months ago saying the whole thing would get a sledgehammer taken to it if providers didn't sort their shit out :)

Extra Chilli allows a £1000 bonus buy that can be gambled and lost in seconds.

That's Responsible Gaming, right there......
 
Pretty much all of the UK ‘bookie’ sites have always had the feature buy system disabled from the games that allow it. Not just BTG but all the blueprints etc also. In fact some don’t even have games like chilli and rabbit but yet host danger/bonanza and the other non buy/slow build enhancements. So they must of known something.

However what I’ve always found strange is that despite not giving their customers the ability to buy features on lower stakes for say £10/£20/£50 they still allow you to do £50/£100 spins on dreadful blueprint games like Top Cat and wish upon a jackpot!! I mean how long would it take you to drop a fortune on doing that??!!!!! Some I believe are still allowing £500 a spin on blueprints! That’s £500 a spin not for a bonus!!

I can almost guarantee that the UKGC don’t even have a clue or have any real idea about what games allow what stakes or how various providers offer/promote the various feature buys. Even blueprints now are offering so called enhanced feature buys of 150x stakes.

That’s the problem here. It’s a nanny state being run by people that have absolutely no idea or have a clue about the type of games they are trying to regulate.

It won’t be long before the lobbyists and campaigners have a blanket stake ban of £2 online like they do in the bookies. It’s the next logical step based on their strategy. You can’t walk in a bookies and bet £3 a spin but no problem just pull out your phone and do £500 a spin on a slot or 10k a spin on a roulette reel.

Some people like low rolling on small stake feature buys and why shouldn’t they?

Also RE BTG games like chilli. I’m sure even without the feature buy, the coins reducing the feature in the base game are a key component in the maths and rtp. If they are told that’s no longer acceptable surely it will mean a complete overhaul on the game? Or if it’s removed a lower RTP? Which is what we don’t want!!!
 
Pretty much all of the UK ‘bookie’ sites have always had the feature buy system disabled from the games that allow it. Not just BTG but all the blueprints etc also. In fact some don’t even have games like chilli and rabbit but yet host danger/bonanza and the other non buy/slow build enhancements. So they must of known something.

However what I’ve always found strange is that despite not giving their customers the ability to buy features on lower stakes for say £10/£20/£50 they still allow you to do £50/£100 spins on dreadful blueprint games like Top Cat and wish upon a jackpot!! I mean how long would it take you to drop a fortune on doing that??!!!!! Some I believe are still allowing £500 a spin on blueprints! That’s £500 a spin not for a bonus!!

I can almost guarantee that the UKGC don’t even have a clue or have any real idea about what games allow what stakes or how various providers offer/promote the various feature buys. Even blueprints now are offering so called enhanced feature buys of 150x stakes.

That’s the problem here. It’s a nanny state being run by people that have absolutely no idea or have a clue about the type of games they are trying to regulate.

It won’t be long before the lobbyists and campaigners have a blanket stake ban of £2 online like they do in the bookies. It’s the next logical step based on their strategy. You can’t walk in a bookies and bet £3 a spin but no problem just pull out your phone and do £500 a spin on a slot or 10k a spin on a roulette reel.

Some people like low rolling on small stake feature buys and why shouldn’t they?

Also RE BTG games like chilli. I’m sure even without the feature buy, the coins reducing the feature in the base game are a key component in the maths and rtp. If they are told that’s no longer acceptable surely it will mean a complete overhaul on the game? Or if it’s removed a lower RTP? Which is what we don’t want!!!

The UKGC will likely go after stakes online soon too... which would kill a lot of online casinos as most income comes from high rollers...
 
Pretty much all of the UK ‘bookie’ sites have always had the feature buy system disabled from the games that allow it. Not just BTG but all the blueprints etc also. In fact some don’t even have games like chilli and rabbit but yet host danger/bonanza and the other non buy/slow build enhancements. So they must of known something.

However what I’ve always found strange is that despite not giving their customers the ability to buy features on lower stakes for say £10/£20/£50 they still allow you to do £50/£100 spins on dreadful blueprint games like Top Cat and wish upon a jackpot!! I mean how long would it take you to drop a fortune on doing that??!!!!! Some I believe are still allowing £500 a spin on blueprints! That’s £500 a spin not for a bonus!!

I can almost guarantee that the UKGC don’t even have a clue or have any real idea about what games allow what stakes or how various providers offer/promote the various feature buys. Even blueprints now are offering so called enhanced feature buys of 150x stakes.

That’s the problem here. It’s a nanny state being run by people that have absolutely no idea or have a clue about the type of games they are trying to regulate.

It won’t be long before the lobbyists and campaigners have a blanket stake ban of £2 online like they do in the bookies. It’s the next logical step based on their strategy. You can’t walk in a bookies and bet £3 a spin but no problem just pull out your phone and do £500 a spin on a slot or 10k a spin on a roulette reel.

Some people like low rolling on small stake feature buys and why shouldn’t they?

Also RE BTG games like chilli. I’m sure even without the feature buy, the coins reducing the feature in the base game are a key component in the maths and rtp. If they are told that’s no longer acceptable surely it will mean a complete overhaul on the game? Or if it’s removed a lower RTP? Which is what we don’t want!!!

Removing the feature buy and keeping the coin drop should have zero impact on RTP.
 
That’s the problem here. It’s a nanny state being run by people that have absolutely no idea or have a clue about the type of games they are trying to regulate.

Do you have absolutely any evidence whatsoever to back that statement up with?
 
Removing the feature buy and keeping the coin drop should have zero impact on RTP.

Even on chilli? Whereby the coins add to a feature in the long run? Surely that’s one less feature you’ll be getting long term? Is there something in place to compensate for that? If there isn’t and it’s already paid for in
The long term RTP then it will need to be changed surely???
 
Grosvenor have many of the bonus buy capable games like Return of Kong, Genie MW but disable the bonus buys so for many must be 2 versions of the game available. Same with Sky Vegas who have no bonus buy games. 21 casino though have bonus buys available on all games.

On the chase mechanic the oldest example I know of is Devils Delight where you had to collect souls to trigger the Souls Spins free spins which was the feature with most potential on the game.
 
Sorry I misunderstood ur reply...

I meant if the coindrop is removed?

If the coin drop is removed, them of course they would need to rework the maths to account for the loss of RTP.
 
Do you have absolutely any evidence whatsoever to back that statement up with?

No. But last night on sites there were plenty of games still available with buy features. Some had been removed but not all. I’m
Not saying that’s the regulators fault.

It’s rediculous to say to people you are no longer allowed to buy a feature for £10 or £20 but hey if u wanna spin at £500 a go that’s no problem.

They are jumping on the bandwagon of the feature buy nonsense but probably are completely unaware of the other stakes u can play every 3 seconds on hundreds of games let alone table games.

If they are that concerned about online games and the damage it causes replicate the same blanket stake ban as they did in
Uk bookies.

Also why has this been immediate? Yet bookies were given a couple of years to adjust to it??

It seems to me that it’s people doing things for the sake of it to appear that they care yet completely ignoring much worse issues.

Feature buys are no worse than some of the other nonsense that is allowed to go on imo.
 
How is it selfish ?.

slots didnt need feature buys before or need now.

people play bonanza and that dont have a feature buy yet how many play that game?.

BTG got to f-in greedy

We both know it has nothing to do with greed, because the feature buy RTP is the same or higher. And who are you to decide what slots need and don't need? You were never forced to buy features. You always had a choice, but you are doing your best to make sure we don't have a choice anymore? And that's why i think you are being selfish, because you don't want everyone else to have a choice.

Everyone doesn't always have time to set aside 2 hours of their evening to grind a Bonanza bonus. Everything has it's time and place, and i believe feature buys have a place, even though i don't buy many features myself. But i enjoy watching people like the The Bandit buy features.
 

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