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Yes, because pretending something doesn't exist and/or isn't real makes it go away!
Yes, because pretending something doesn't exist and/or isn't real makes it go away!
I definitely get the sense our negotiators aren't panicking like they were before under Theresa may, probably because they know a WTO based no deal is not the end of the world, and preferable to a rushed bad deal with longer term consequences. We can always renegotiate individual matters as things pan out. The whole world economy is probably going to be in trouble now due to the virus, 'the great reset' is on it's way.
There is not a major developed nation in the world that trades solely on WTO terms. It is NOT a good thing.
The EU are not panicking. Our negotiators aren't panicking because Johnson's team does not want a deal; they never have.
And all the time, right-wing newspapers are telling you not to worry. Because their owners are going to be just fine, no, better off because of the oncoming clusterfuck.
There's a reason Farage and Johnson's relatives are taking up their citizenship options for other EU nations.
The EU is not remotely close to collapse. If it were, they would not be speaking in a united voice still against a former member state. There would be no sense in doing so if others were considering leaving, as they'd be damning themselves down the line.
I really can't believe people are still falling for the Mail/Express shit, which has been consistently and provably wrong.
With all due respect though mack, that's the kind of rhetoric we've been hearing for years and yet here we are, the EU is still intact, 'Project Fear' is becoming 'Project Reality' in front of our eyes, and all the stuff that the Leave campaign told us would happen ('exact same benefits as we have now' etc) is being revealed for the stack of lies it was all along.
No one ever said it would be 'the end of the world' to leave the EU without a deal, but let's face it, that's a pretty low bar to cross. I mean, 'Well it could have been worse I suppose, the world could have ended' isn't exactly a shining endorsement of a course of action, is it?
For example, current best estimates are that in a no deal scenario, the prices of everyday staples will increase by 5-20%, with some issues around availability of fresh produce, shelf life etc.
And what have we got out of it? Blue passports designed by a French owned company that are made in Poland.
Bootle is a serial Eurosceptic, who has made lots of money and written books consistently on the subject. A one-note thinker. He's also a regular Express contributor, and most of his writing appears only in right-wing and Eurosceptic newspapers.
I don't hold much weight in his assessments. Again, he is provably wrong. And the Leave argument has been proved to be built on lies.
You cannot argue with facts, and he doesn't. He argues an opinion.
No. We've now got Covid PLUS the reality of Brexit combining.
A sensible government, acting in the interests of the nation would've taken up the opportunity at a time of global pandemic to extend the transition agreements. The option was there. They did not reject it to look after the interests of the nation, rather as ideology.
I dig the shout-out Mack, kudosIf you extend the transition agreements on the basis of the 'pandemic' what time frame are you going to put on it, given the scientists keep saying it's going to be with us for some time and there will be further waves.
You could be looking at delaying brexit until 2022. The EU always want something, I bet any extension would have had extra big costs. [maybe political sovereignty concessions] I do not object to giving more time to EU citizens seeking uk residency as the lockdown may have caused problems for people.
Red Tape?
Oh man, you really have fallen for it.
The fact that on the most basic level - there was previously little to no red tape for trucks to cross from the continent to us, yet next year they will have to fill out more paperwork and we will have to pay more people to review that paperwork which right now is not necessary has not been noticed by you?
The fact that the cost of running just one lorry park in Kent (which their Brexiteer MP has whinged about being placed in his constituency) will more than outweigh any negligible benefit appears to have been ignored.
"the UK government expects businesses to complete hundreds of millions of additional import and export customs declarations - an official estimate of around 400 million was later revised down to 215 million - as a result of Brexit, at a cost previously estimated by HM Revenue and Customs at anything up to £20bn a year."
And that's just the customs costs.
You think we've got price rises now due to a temporary blip? Just wait until that temporary blip hits the reality of what's coming on January 1st. Get used to potatoes.
But how do you know the border red tape is not at the EU's insistence as they are worried about imports from us undercutting their set up ? [a bit like the gray imports issue from years back]