Brexit - whats the difference.....

[vorcirion]

Could you give a single source of this please my new found friend?

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that at least. trying to find if there were talks about him becoming the PM

 

[dunover]

I just remember that there were many discussions if he wanted to be PM after the brexit vote and he said no. I don't know if he wants to do it now?

I think you don't understand the system.

1. He has to be elected as an MP first in a general or by-election.
2. He then has to be part of the ruling party, or party with the bigger part of any coalition government.
3. Then he would have to be elected leader by that party.
4. The above wouldn't happen anyway if he wasn't originally a member of that party, and was parachuted in ahead of party stalwarts.

He can want to be PM all he likes, but never can be barring him and his party winning a GE.

He can be invited as an unofficial advisor, or in his capacity as a MEP be part of the negotiating team, but that's about all.

 

[geordiecolin]

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that at least. trying to find if there were talks about him becoming the PM

I am so sorry that I could only like your reply just the once. It deserves many accolades.
Ignore that pesky Dunover. In fact block him for his stoic stupidity to deal in logic and fact
I await your source like I am your biatch at your feet waiting for a bone

 

[vorcirion]

Could you give a single source of this please my new found friend?

 

[thr0b]

I think you don't understand the system.
He can be invited as an unofficial advisor, or in his capacity as a MEP be part of the negotiating team, but that's about all.

He could only be part of the negotiating team as in his capacity as an MEP, i.e. for the EU.

But also that would require him doing some work. Which he does not do.

 

[mack341]

Let's just leave, if the EU come up with some brilliant new regulation that makes people's lives better, here's an idea we can vote on it in our parliament and bring it in ourselves.

Can some remainers on this thread tell me, in a nutshell, where the EU sees itself in ten years, what does it want to achieve and how does it intend to do it?

 

[steveh35]

I think you don't understand the system.

1. He has to be elected as an MP first in a general or by-election.
2. He then has to be part of the ruling party, or party with the bigger part of any coalition government.
3. Then he would have to be elected leader by that party.
4. The above wouldn't happen anyway if he wasn't originally a member of that party, and was parachuted in ahead of party stalwarts.

He can want to be PM all he likes, but never can be barring him and his party winning a GE.

He can be invited as an unofficial advisor, or in his capacity as a MEP be part of the negotiating team, but that's about all.

In the UK you cannot be prime minister unless you are part of a party as the UK electorate votes for an MP not a prime minister and therefore needs at least 326 winning MP's underneath him.

I have always thought our system puts people off politics, for example if Dunover woke up tomorrow and said I am going to be prime minister he is f*cked from the start he has to decide which party he wants to join, then he has to become an MP in a constituency then if he gets that far he has to toe the party line and agree with things he may not like and eventually if he makes his way up the party chain, he then has to put his name forward and then have a fight to win the party members vote and then if he eventually became party leader he has to convince the public to vote for his MP's.

I would never want to be in political party and have to toe party line and agree with things, I think a lot of very good people out there will never even get a chance mainly in the UK you have to think Tory or Labour anything else you will never be a PM.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

He could only be part of the negotiating team as in his capacity as an MEP, i.e. for the EU.

But also that would require him doing some work. Which he does not do.

Au contraire. The very fact he's enabled a referendum on EU membership in the first place makes him worth every penny he's paid.

Furthermore, I gather you haven't watched much of Farage and his debates in the EU parliament?

I actually saw something where he said it costs the UK tax payer more for him to turn up to EU parliament than him not. They get a set amount of money just for attending!

 

[paul7388]

Let's just leave, if the EU come up with some brilliant new regulation that makes people's lives better, here's an idea we can vote on it in our parliament and bring it in ourselves.

Can some remainers on this thread tell me, in a nutshell, where the EU sees itself in ten years, what does it want to achieve and how does it intend to do it?

You can spin that the other way. Can Leavers say where exactly UK will be in 10 years and how they intend to get there.

Exactly noone can foresee the future. There are no guarantees how trade deals etc. will work out and whether they will be good or bad for the country.

Noone from Brexit side knows exactly how it will benefit or destroy the country yet. It is a gamble to leave but a gamble they feel is worth taking to get control back. But like i said noone knows how any of it will pan out till it is done. All the scare stories from both sides are exactly that till it is done and we see what we have.

 

[vorcirion]

Well whoever you select. I hope he/she wants the job. I want to see real progress to one way or another.

 

[paul7388]

Well whoever you select. I hope he/she wants the job. I want to see real progress to one way or another.

Good luck on that. The mess this country is in at the moment it does not matter who gets PM it will take a miracle to get anything agreed on as the split between MP's all wanting different things is too large.

 

[geordiecolin]

There is a massive gulf between being asked in interview if he would like to be prime minister in an interview and being given the chance to be.
But in fairness I do except that as a legitimate reason for your post.
At that time he was running a party that had one aim but I do not believe he ever had full confidence in his UKIP members due to its past history. I think it is legitimate for him to think that way then just as I think that way now.
I don't think he wants to be prime minister still but you do not remove that threat of becoming PM from your apposition when it gives you bargaining power.
He is just using his power to force his single issue in order to ensure that we get the best deal for the UK and not what suits the establishment and world bankings elite.
As for having Banks funding goes. I understand that Farage has had two very serious accidents which where very questionable in the past. He needs bodyguards and protection.
Would you not except financial help if you where him?

 

[mack341]

You can spin that the other way. Can Leavers say where exactly UK will be in 10 years and how they intend to get there.

Exactly noone can foresee the future. There are no guarantees how trade deals etc. will work out and whether they will be good or bad for the country.

Noone from Brexit side knows exactly how it will benefit or destroy the country yet. It is a gamble to leave but a gamble they feel is worth taking to get control back. But like i said noone knows how any of it will pan out till it is done. All the scare stories from both sides are exactly that till it is done and we see what we have.

shouldn't that be 'benefit or disadvantage' instead of destroy?

The EU does set out goals and plans, I wondered if any pro EU remainers knew what they were? Perhaps greater powers and say in the economic policies of member states? an EU army/navy/airforce etc...

 

[vorcirion]

There is a massive gulf between being asked in interview if he would like to be prime minister in an interview and being given the chance to be.
But in fairness I do except that as a legitimate reason for your post.
At that time he was running a party that had one aim but I do not believe he ever had full confidence in his UKIP members due to its past history. I think it is legitimate for him to think that way then just as I think that way now.
I don't think he wants to be prime minister still but you do not remove that threat of becoming PM from your apposition when it gives you bargaining power.
He is just using his power to force his single issue in order to ensure that we get the best deal for the UK and not what suits the establishment and world bankings elite.
As for having Banks funding goes. I understand that Farage has had two very serious accidents which where very questionable in the past. He needs bodyguards and protection.
Would you not except financial help if you where him?

I have absolutely no clue how that thing went. So I have no opinion about it.

 

[paul7388]

shouldn't that be 'benefit or disadvantage' instead of destroy?

The EU does set out goals and plans, I wondered if any pro EU remainers knew what they were? Perhaps greater powers and say in the economic policies of member states? an EU army/navy/airforce etc...

Nope lol destroy was exactly the word i was looking for

 

[geordiecolin]

Good luck on that. The mess this country is in at the moment it does not matter who gets PM it will take a miracle to get anything agreed on as the split between MP's all wanting different things is too large.

The last major split helped keep Thatcher in government when the SDP formed and MP's are usually too career minded to take such risks. I can see all three traditional parties rally around their new leader and give the impression that their party is united until/unless there are major issues with how we are dealing with world trade agreements and the fecking likes of the HS2

 

[TheAddict]

Right . Once the milkshake grenades are finished, the doxing begins.
REEEEEEEEEEE

 

[geordiecolin]

I have absolutely no clue how that thing went. So I have no opinion about it.

But your response above highlights how removed you seem to be on a subject that you are engaging in with limited understanding of the complexities of it.

 

[mack341]

Nope lol destroy was exactly the word i was looking for

you naughty debater

I try to maintain queensbury rules but do sometimes put a horseshoe in my glove

 

[paul7388]

you naughty debater

I try to maintain queensbury rules but do sometimes put a horseshoe in my glove

See unlike others on here tho i kind of see myself as neutral.

I never voted. Thought long and hard about it then decided not too bothered either way. Personally i would have probably wanted to remain just because of better the devil you know sort of thing and whether good or bad at least i know where things stand.

I also strongly believe country will be much worse off to start. Then later we could prosper or remain worse off only time will tell.

But contrary to what some will think on here by my posts i believe as the vote was leave then that is what should happen.

But like i say i will only mention some things that i do not find right. Like the massive victory for either side in EU elections as there was no such thing. Vote was so evenly spread between Remain and Leave in fact Remain probably edged it. But if i was strongly in favour of either then no doubt i would make the vote look like i was right as well.

 

[cncas2123]

And tell me what happens if we do have another vote and its 51% leave 49% remain?

 

[mack341]

EU reforms on the horizon...perhaps to make it worse...

"French President Emmanuel Macron has vowed to push through reforms of the European Union and the eurozone monetary union. Since assuming office in 2017, he has consistently emphasized his desire to partner with Germany to jointly lead these reforms"

The French president wants:

• to create a post for an EU finance minister.
• to establish a joint eurozone budget.
• to institute a body tasked with overseeing bloc-wide economic policy.

[DW website]


"Macron also suggested a European asylum agency and standard EU identity documents."
.... called for the creation of European universities and said that by 2024, all European students should be able to speak at least two European languages."

"The speech was received warmly by the European commission president, Jean-Claude Juncker. “A very European speech from my friend Emmanuel Macron,” he tweeted.

“What we need now is a roadmap to advance the union at 27. We have to openly discuss all ideas and decide before May 2019,” Juncker said, referring to a summit he wants Romania to host on 30 March 2019, the day after Britain leaves the EU.

In early December, the commission will publish proposals for a eurozone finance minister and other reforms. EU leaders will discuss the ideas at a summit later that month." [guardian website]

 

[paul7388]

And tell me what happens if we do have another vote and its 51% leave 49% remain?

Who knows , lol who knows what's happening with any of it.

But i believe if it went to another vote then it would be would somewhere along the line of leave with no deal if need be or remain. Think that is the whole stumbling point just now that so many MP's do not want no deal which is why we can't get vote through.

 

[geordiecolin]

And tell me what happens if we do have another vote and its 51% leave 49% remain?

That is not what the establishment want and their public arm-the media- will continue to push their agenda

 

[dunover]

And tell me what happens if we do have another vote and its 51% leave 49% remain?

We then face 3 more years of Wee Jimmy Krankie bleating on TV. Otherwise, everything else will likely remain (no pun) as it is now - impasse.

 

[paul7388]

We then face 3 more years of Wee Jimmy Krankie bleating on TV. Otherwise, everything else will likely remain (no pun) as it is now - impasse.

Lol is she on TV down in England as well. And i thought it was only me that disliked her so much

 

[geordiecolin]

Can anyone tell me when was the last time the EU even remotely balanced their books?

 

[dunover]

Can anyone tell me when was the last time the EU even remotely balanced their books?

The last time satellite images were taken of Greek and Italian farms claiming subsidies for crops they hadn't even planted. Whenever that was, or am I fantasising?

 

[geordiecolin]

Lol is she on TV down in England as well. And i thought it was only me that disliked her so much

It must be the biggest hypocrisy in politics for Holyrood to fight for independence from the UK then insist that they stay in the EU.

 

[dunover]

Lol is she on TV down in England as well. And i thought it was only me that disliked her so much

Yes, every time the 'neutral BBC' decides the barrage of remainer-heavy news items is getting a bit thin. Apparently the SNP believe Scotland is in urgent need of migrants to 'stimulate the economy' and bring prosperity. A really great idea in an economy where 40-odd% of employees are paid by the state in some form. But at least they won't be English, eh Nicola!

 

[geordiecolin]

The last time satellite images were taken of Greek and Italian farms claiming subsidies for crops they hadn't even planted. Whenever that was, or am I fantasising?

That is a new one on me?
But my question is pertinent. When was it?

 

[paul7388]

Yes, every time the 'neutral BBC' decides the barrage of remainer-heavy news items is getting a bit thin. Apparently the SNP believe Scotland is in urgent need of migrants to 'stimulate the economy' and bring prosperity. A really great idea in an economy where 40-odd% of employees are paid by the state in some form. But at least they won't be English, eh Nicola!

Well imagine seeing her on TV just about every day since last Referendum she lost .

But at least today she decided to go on about Independence from that successfully independent Ireland that shows how successful Scotland can be.

But yet again no mention how the country was just about bankrupt till EU bailed it out lol.

 

[steveh35]

If Brexit Party didn't win last night because only 32 % of the voters voted for them and the remainers are saying they won because they got a combined vote of more then surely the SNP can't say the Scottish want to have independence when 38% of the electorate voted for them and the others added together would mean that they got more votes than the only party that wants independence.

 

[geordiecolin]

To be honest. I see the EU as little more than a legitimised organised mafia that distributes its gains a little more democratically than what the cosa nostra do

 

[dunover]

That is a new one on me?
But my question is pertinent. When was it?

I believe several years ago there was tobacco and other crops being claimed for in the Mediterranean countries, which subsequently turned out to be fraudulent. I cannot say whether it was planes that spotted this, satellites or simple intelligence.

There was this but it's after the period I referred to:

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There are numerous cases of monies paid for non-existent crops if you take a look about.

The whole thing's a shambles.

 

[paul7388]

If Brexit Party didn't win last night because only 32 % of the voters voted for them and the remainers are saying they won because they got a combined vote of more then surely the SNP can't say the Scottish want to have independence when 38% of the electorate voted for them and the others added together would mean that they got more votes than the only party that wants independence.

At last someone sees it. Nothing at all from last nights votes show scottish people now want independence. But does not matter to her that is all she wants regardless of the fact she is elected to run this country but her day job does not seem to matter to her.

Brexit party did win last night tho my a good bit. Just not enough to show overall majority to leave.

Same as SNP won by a good bit but were no where near enough to show anything has changed on independence.

 

[steveh35]

At last someone sees it. Nothing at all from last nights votes show scottish people now want independence. But does not matter to her that is all she wants regardless of the fact she is elected to run this country but her day job does not seem to matter to her.

This country is bizarre in 2018 people were saying Jeremy Corbyn won the general election as he got more seats and Theresa May lost despite the Tories getting 318 seats now we are saying again any party that is second in a vote is the winner.

Are people really this stupid you are not the winner if you finish second or lower no matter what the spin is get a grip people.

 

[paul7388]

This country is bizarre in 2018 people were saying Jeremy Corbyn won the general election as he got more seats and Theresa May lost despite the Tories getting 318 seats now we are saying again any party that is second in a vote is the winner.

Are people really this stupid you are not the winner if you finish second or lower no matter what the spin is get a grip people.

Well no arguing Brexit won last night. Anyone will tell you that. But big difference between Brexit party winning by a landslide and leave winning my a landslide. Brexit did Leave didn't.

 

[geordiecolin]

I believe several years ago there was tobacco and other crops being claimed for in the Mediterranean countries, which subsequently turned out to be fraudulent. I cannot say whether it was planes that spotted this, satellites or simple intelligence.

There was this but it's after the period I referred to:

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There are numerous cases of monies paid for non-existent crops if you take a look about.

The whole thing's a shambles.

I'm off to spend a few quid on slots but I will check your links out tomorrow.
But even back in the mid 80's when I was on the Irish boarder I know that the EU where subsidising farming to the extent that farmers where better off leaving their farms fallow but claiming that they where producing one thing or another. There was some sort of big money earner going on across those boarders in a number of ways.

 

[dunover]

LOL...had to laugh.

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[brianmon]

FAO all Remainers who are desperate to spin the EU election results:

Lib Dems pre-election: A vote for Labour is a "vote for Brexit".

Lib Dems post-election: "Er, well if you add Labour to us and Greens it's clear people want to stop Brexit..."

It's all not quite stacking up, is it?

 

[dunover]

Neutrals or both sides may want to read this shocking list of profligacy and robbery:

Jesus! No wonder that pillock from Poland, Donald Tusk, loves the EU so much!

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Poland, getting the equivalent of 2% of GDP net from EU donations is the equivalent roughly of the UK receiving about £36bn a year! (approx. 2% of UK GDP)

Even more shocking is the fact that the UK is one of few Western nations to donate the UN target (endorsed by the EU) of 0.7% of GDP (about £13bn) in Foreign Aid.

Some countries like Poland and Romania really do get the Golden D every year when they play EU Bonanza.

 

[goatwack]

Tony Blair's former spin doctor says he has been expelled from the Labour Party after voting for the Liberal Democrats in the European elections.

He said he voted Lib Dem "to try to persuade Labour to do the right thing", but "always will be Labour" and appeal.

Sell out your principles. Anything to tactically stop Brexit

 

[brianmon]

 

[steveh35]

New YouGov general election poll tonight - Lib Dems 24% Brexit 22% Labour 19% Cons 19%
Now when would we ever have thought we would see that?

 

[geordiecolin]

It makes me laugh listening to all of these remainers bleating about The Don poking his nose into UK politics because he talked sense about May's stupid approach to the negotiations and her stance throughout.
The Don made his comments after being asked some direct questions in interview. He did not fly over here specifically,address the UK nation prior to the referendum and threaten us with the promise that if we voted leave we will be at the back of the cue when it came to us negotiating trade deals with the USA and that we would feck our economy up!
Obama did that.
Yet the remoaners constantly refer to those wishing to leave as being the ones who lied and used dirty tricks in order to con the public

 

[steveh35]

Old boozehead Jean Claude Juncker is complaining that he doesn't have an airforce One Jet or a stately home like other world leaders.

The EU gravy plane err I mean gravy train rolls on.

 

[goatwack]

Jean Claude van Juncker is like the Sepp Blatter of Europe

 

[steveh35]

Oh dear

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What a force in uk politics they were

 

[goatwack]

'Woopsie'