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What a force in uk politics they were
Chuka Umunna was meant to be the main man, talk about rats leaving a sinking ship...
Brexit - whats the difference.....
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Chuka Umunna was meant to be the main man, talk about rats leaving a sinking ship...
Just watching that Socialist twat Tom Watson reinforce why I could never vote for this watered-down incarnation of Labour, with the slogan 'Proudly British, Proudly European' bled into the background.
Always good to have a laugh when turning on the news
Always good to have a laugh when turning on the news
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I hear Boris had a big row with some woman Friday night as the Police were called to her address, according to neighbours he spilt red wine on her sofa and then trivialized it, and she screamed about his coming from a privileged background so didn't understand these things....
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I did like what someone said today you either end up with Hunt spelt with a C in number 10 whoever wins. If Jeremy Hunt wins in the next election you will end up with a Jeremy Hunt spelt with a C whether Labour or Tories win you cannot win whatever happens.I hear Boris had a big row with some woman Friday night as the Police were called to her address, according to neighbours he spilt red wine on her sofa and then trivialized it, and she screamed about his coming from a privileged background so didn't understand these things....
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What most people accidentally" call Hunt try changing the H in Hunt to a CWho on earth is Jeremy HuntC? Or even Ceremy Hunt
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You know all that GATT24 talk that keeps getting thrown about (including right now by Boris Johnson, our PM in waiting...), along with that stuff about holding back the £39 billion and then negotiating a new trade agreement during the implementation period? Well they've both just been completely debunked by notorious left-wing agitator and arch Remainer, erm, checks notes, Conservative MP and Secretary of State for International Trade, Liam Fox - who supported Leave and voted for it in the referendum.
He literally says, 'It's isn't true'.
He literally says, 'It's isn't true'.
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Somebody clever from cambridge university, Lorand Bartels, has said it is possible as an emergency measure, so not a long term solution:
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I don't know who to believe anymore, if this GATT 24 exists I wonder why we could not avail ourselves of it, did Mr Fox elaborate?
I'm afraid I dislike andrew marr quite a bit so never watch his show...
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Well if you're ever wondering who's telling the truth, the answer probably isn't Boris Johnson.
Also, don't you think it's bizarre that something being put forward as an emergency measure that 'might work' is even required at all, considering this is a situation that we're voluntarily putting ourselves in? (Also, for Bartels' proposition to function, the EU would have to agree with it, so we'd literally have to go begging them to accept our 'emergency measure', that sure doesn't sounds like taking back control to me.....)
Also, don't you think it's bizarre that something being put forward as an emergency measure that 'might work' is even required at all, considering this is a situation that we're voluntarily putting ourselves in? (Also, for Bartels' proposition to function, the EU would have to agree with it, so we'd literally have to go begging them to accept our 'emergency measure', that sure doesn't sounds like taking back control to me.....)
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Honestly, it's like cancelling your house insurance, setting your house on fire, and then ringing the insurance company up asking for emergency cover.
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Just read on the bbc website re Liam Fox that he is supporting Jeremy Hunt so that would partially explain his positioning on the Marr [
] show, he wants us to leave with a deal, the problem is you can't negotiate properly unless you're prepared to walk away, the remainer guardian, bbc, channel 4 etc.. don't seem to realise this or are not honest to admit it.
The core GATT 24 issue seems to be that remainers believe the EU are such a decent, honest, people friendly institution that they won't agree to it and prefer tariffs and to stir up the irish troubles again with a hard border; where's the flexibility? There is none because they are a corrupt, technocratic institution with devious intent.
] show, he wants us to leave with a deal, the problem is you can't negotiate properly unless you're prepared to walk away, the remainer guardian, bbc, channel 4 etc.. don't seem to realise this or are not honest to admit it.The core GATT 24 issue seems to be that remainers believe the EU are such a decent, honest, people friendly institution that they won't agree to it and prefer tariffs and to stir up the irish troubles again with a hard border; where's the flexibility? There is none because they are a corrupt, technocratic institution with devious intent.
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Is this Hunt guy extracting the michael?
I agree he does have a messi/putin look, with a bit of former blue peter presenter tim vincent possibly thrown into the mix too for good measure, canny people those kgb scientists to come up with this hybrid
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So I think this finally puts the GATT24 stuff to bed, this is written by Liam Fox, who is a lifelong Brexiteer, but who has felt it necessary to debunk the flat out wrong stuff being talked about GATT24 and an 'interim agreement' being used in lieu of an implementation period. (Remember that in the event of No Deal, we don't get the implementation period.)
For the avoidance of doubt. There will be tariffs in the event of No Deal. This will have a seriously negative economic impact on the UK.
Anyone who says we can use GATT24 is lying to you.
As Liam Fox himself says - 'It is important that public debate on this topic is conducted on the basis of fact rather than supposition'
For the avoidance of doubt. There will be tariffs in the event of No Deal. This will have a seriously negative economic impact on the UK.
Anyone who says we can use GATT24 is lying to you.
As Liam Fox himself says - 'It is important that public debate on this topic is conducted on the basis of fact rather than supposition'
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Boris Johnson = Trump junior?
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Mark Francois says in an interview that if a No Deal Brexit wrecks the UK car industry, 'At least it will be our choice'.
We've come a long way from sunlit uplands, the easiest deal in history, and economic benefits for everyone.
We've come a long way from sunlit uplands, the easiest deal in history, and economic benefits for everyone.
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Our car industry was wrecked 40 years ago back in the 1970's when the likes of Red Robbo, strikes and crap like the Austin All-aggro and Morris Marina that made even Trabant and Wartburg laugh at us. Since then, aside from specialist makers like the high-end sports cars, Jag-LR and the big brands serving the domestic market such as Ford and Vauxhall, it's taken foreign firms like BMW and Nissan to provide jobs here. Yes, we may get tariffs of 10% but the fall in the pound should allay that anyway. We are a big market for cars, so there is opportunity here to make cars for our own market, manufacturers will fill the void and demand, that's simple economics. Another E-USSR scare story.
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I see that the UK rolling over existing trade deals is going very well, and by 'very well' I mean absolutely disastrously, in that everyone is basically telling us that no, they won't do it. (The much vaunted South Korea rollover has time limits, and Switzerland plus Norway does not cover all sectors.)
Remember, this is the stuff that was supposed to be really easy and other countries would be falling over themselves to do great deals with us or at least rollover existing deals.
Liam Fox is now trying to put deep blue water between himself and the No Deal zealots, he's clearly had his Road To Damascus moment and has (belatedly) started telling the truth about just how awful it will be.
Full thread here -
Remember, this is the stuff that was supposed to be really easy and other countries would be falling over themselves to do great deals with us or at least rollover existing deals.
Liam Fox is now trying to put deep blue water between himself and the No Deal zealots, he's clearly had his Road To Damascus moment and has (belatedly) started telling the truth about just how awful it will be.
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liam fox knows he's out on his ear if boris wins so he'll try anything to torpedo bojo and you can't really rely on remainer twitter accounts for an impartial analysis of future trade deals. It becomes an echo chamber of hysteria, much like the anti trump frenzy.
and you can't really rely on remainer twitter accounts for an impartial analysis of future trade deals. It becomes an echo chamber of hysteria, much like the anti trump frenzy.
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But they're simple facts, 'biased' analysis doesn't come into it. Of the 16 countries we have a >£10bn trading relationship with, we have rolled over precisely zero trade deals in their entirety. One we've mostly rolled over completely, and two we've rolled over in some regards.
We were promised we'd at least get trading deals as good as we have now, and that many countries would be keen to do even better deals.
In reality we've managed 0/16 completely the same.
1/16 mostly the same.
2/16 sort of the same.
And a big fat zero of better trade deals (with no indication we'll get any better deals should we self-immolate with a No Deal Brexit).
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In that first chart there are six minus figures for trade, in the 2nd chart we have a trade imbalance with norway and so it will be in their interest to negotiate a long term deal. If we cut out the middle man [the eu] we may get better tailored deals with individual countries as we don't have to concern ourselves with balancing the needs and wishes of 27 other member states, surely that makes some common sense?
Probably atm the eu trade deals it negotiates have to first and foremost suit germany as along with france it's the highest bank roller of the eu project, I think they certainly have the best trade balance world wide. The uk has the second largest defecit world wide, so there's room for improvement.
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Mack, I told you a few times, read the draft the US sent to your government to see what you will be in for after leaving the EU, Brexit deal or no deal. Norway is peanuts compared to your trade volume with the US and trust me, chlorine chicken and GM food will be the smaller worries when the US is getting only half of what they want.
Fact is that in such situations everyone will try to push for the max as you will need trade deals, unless you want to trade under default WTO rules which would put you at quite a disadvantage.
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It takes a long time to sign a trade deal. Look at Mercosur accord, two decades in the making and not even final yet (France will have their say).
Good luck to UK in their future trade deal negotiations
Good luck to UK in their future trade deal negotiations
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Despite checking this at least twice I still managed to spell it wrongly, I'm sure I'm mixing it up with a similar word
It makes me wonder though how the uk can be a top prosperous and wealthy country with a negative trade balance year on year, as more money is going out than coming in?
You seem defacient in your speling MackDespite checking this at least twice I still managed to spell it wrongly, I'm sure I'm mixing it up with a similar word
It makes me wonder though how the uk can be a top prosperous and wealthy country with a negative trade balance year on year, as more money is going out than coming in?
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ONLY A 5 MONTH BAN??!! I see Scotland must be a soft touch, as that in England or Wales would be a minimum 12 months and given the level of failure there on the breathalyser probably 18 months.
What will her next excuse be? Stress over a possible Indyref?
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Very easy to blame though I could easily blame Tony Blair for getting the flu in 1998 which lead to despression and a long illness and then agoraphobia and anxiety in 2003 all under his premiership and his loony middle ground do gooders policies but I chose not to go to the papers and look stupid.ONLY A 5 MONTH BAN??!! I see Scotland must be a soft touch, as that in England or Wales would be a minimum 12 months and given the level of failure there on the breathalyser probably 18 months.
What will her next excuse be? Stress over a possible Indyref?
Was playing Star Wars Battlefront II last night, our team got pwned (on Naboo I believe) and yup, you guessed it, the reason for our loss was none other than Brexit. The uncertainty around it made me aim like a cack-handed gibbon
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I wonder if this chap, what's his name now, Roberto Azevêdo, would he know what he's talking about when it comes to a No Deal Brexit, GATT24 and tariffs?
It says here that his job is the Director General of the WTO, in which case he probably does know what he's talking about, I guess.
So if you watch the Tory leadership debate this evening, when both Johnson and Hunt will reaffirm their willingness to preside over a No Deal Brexit, do remember they are talking about knowingly and deliberately inflicting massive economic harm on the UK.
It's not what we were promised from the Leave brigade, is it?
Gatt 24 would simply not apply with a no-deal outcome. “Article XXIV of the GATT is simply the provision of global trade law under which free trade agreements and customs unions are concluded,” he explained. The problem is that it only kicks in in the event of such a deal being struck. “If there is no agreement, then Article XXIV would not apply, and the standard WTO terms would.”
These “standard WTO terms” would include increased tariffs on British goods imported into the continent, 10 per cent on cars and rising to more than 35 per cent for dairy products. In addition there would be extra bureaucratic hurdles for businesses to leap over on things like product standards and sanitary checks. The rules do little for services, which make up 80 per cent of the British economy and close to half of exports.
Under WTO rules, Britain could not just lower tariffs specifically for EU trade because without the formal framework of a deal that would count as granting unfair, privileged access. The “WTO regime implies tariffs which have to apply to all [the UK’s] trade partners,” he said. There is no simple way around this and the EU is bound by the same rules.
The question, then, is not whether there would be additional trade barriers, but the extent of the damage.
It says here that his job is the Director General of the WTO, in which case he probably does know what he's talking about, I guess.
So if you watch the Tory leadership debate this evening, when both Johnson and Hunt will reaffirm their willingness to preside over a No Deal Brexit, do remember they are talking about knowingly and deliberately inflicting massive economic harm on the UK.
It's not what we were promised from the Leave brigade, is it?
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Gatt 24 would simply not apply with a no-deal outcome. “Article XXIV of the GATT is simply the provision of global trade law under which free trade agreements and customs unions are concluded,” he explained. The problem is that it only kicks in in the event of such a deal being struck. “If there is no agreement, then Article XXIV would not apply, and the standard WTO terms would.”
These “standard WTO terms” would include increased tariffs on British goods imported into the continent, 10 per cent on cars and rising to more than 35 per cent for dairy products. In addition there would be extra bureaucratic hurdles for businesses to leap over on things like product standards and sanitary checks. The rules do little for services, which make up 80 per cent of the British economy and close to half of exports.
Under WTO rules, Britain could not just lower tariffs specifically for EU trade because without the formal framework of a deal that would count as granting unfair, privileged access. The “WTO regime implies tariffs which have to apply to all [the UK’s] trade partners,” he said. There is no simple way around this and the EU is bound by the same rules.
The question, then, is not whether there would be additional trade barriers, but the extent of the damage.
I see Jezza Corbyn is...ZZZZzzzzzz.....oh sorry where was I.....yes, Jeremy 'I'm not antisemitic, honest' Corbyn has been wheeled out in between his spoon-feeding to announce that the onus is on the next PM to put a 2nd Referendum out there as it's the demand of the people. Yes of course it is (chortle)....it wouldn't undermine the basic principles of Democracy at all!
Delusional twat
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Well the whole point of a democracy is that it's allowed to change its mind. It's kind of why we have elections every few years.
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'Bleating' as in, 'Presenting evidence and facts as to the folly of a chosen course, and calling out the endless lies of one side of the debate'?
Boris Johnson, probable next Prime Minister of the UK, explicitly name-dropped GATT24 in the Tory leadership debate a few weeks ago. The claim that we could use GATT24 to mitigate the negative effects of a No Deal Brexit have now been completely debunked and proven to be entirely false.
This stuff matters.
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Yeah, beat me to it, the old senile Marxist knows he'll lose votes to the treacherous LDs (democracy deniers) so has jumped on the bandwagon. Never mind the huge leave votes of numerous Liebore constituencies in the North East, NW, Midlands etc. After all, the Liebore party could crap through the letterboxes of those people and still rely on their votes. Chinese dictator, IRA terrorist, muslim extremist, Venezuelan kleptocrat starving his people to death, you're all friends of the privileged 'socialist' Corbum….
And Chopley needs to remember 'changing your mind' applies to the application of a previous selection i.e. several years of actual government governance before another vote is held, not to a decision of a vote that hasn't actually been enacted.
His example is like the voters electing a party to govern, then locking the House Of Commons up for 3 years before calling another election lol...The simple answer IS another referendum - "The UK voted to leave the EU on June 23 2016 - do you want to leave under the terms of the existing deal, or with no deal at all?"
Make it legally binding to bypass the treacherous MPs. Simples.
Whaaatt?? says the House of Commons? A referendum accepting the result of the first one? We can't have that, we can't pass that through the Commons because then we can't obstruct the outcome!
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Yes democracy is there for people to change their mind, but a referendum is generally a binding vote that will last more than 2 or 3 years. If we dont adhere to the 2016 referendum and have another one this year or next year, why not just have a referendum ad infinitum just to allow for the ever changing minds of people?
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Not in the IoM it doesn't.
I have a lot of family and friends in the UK I care about.
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Speaker of Commons John Bercow rejects remainers attempts to amend NI bill to stop new PM from proroguing parliament.
Finally Bercow is actually being impartial in his job.
Finally Bercow is actually being impartial in his job.
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Same here, but it's Brexit mate, not the start of penury and ration cards. There'll still be fuel at the garage, food in the shops, electricity, internet, trains, ATMs, beer, wine, gambling, football, TV, shite 'talent' shows, general elections, airports and sunshine (Scotland excepted).
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EU could restrict gas to UK after Brexit or impose high tarriffs if EU countries endured a shortage.
Again the EU threatens the UK I thought they were supposed to be the ones who didn't make threats and it was the UK who did all the threatening.
The EU is way too big for it's boots and has too much power over sovereign nations.
Again the EU threatens the UK I thought they were supposed to be the ones who didn't make threats and it was the UK who did all the threatening.
The EU is way too big for it's boots and has too much power over sovereign nations.
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Incidentally as most of uk media ignore it keep an eye on the growing war between Switzerland and the EU it shows the EU for what they really are.
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I thought we had a deal with Norway, not in the EU, for gas continuity. Gas will soon become a thing of the past with green electricity, Holland have already stopped putting gas mains to most new houses for example.
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Same here, but it's Brexit mate, not the start of penury and ration cards. There'll still be fuel at the garage, food in the shops, electricity, internet, trains, ATMs, beer, wine, gambling, football, TV, shite 'talent' shows, general elections, airports and sunshine (Scotland excepted).
That's not exactly a high bar to cross though is it?
'Things will mostly be the same as they were before, probably, although everything will be more expensive.'
No one ever said Brexit would be the end of the world, but the sales pitch was we'd all be super-prosperous and we'd get the easiest deal in history and countries would be queuing up to do deals with us, not 'the country won't fall apart overnight'.
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So what's the point of doing it then?
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I just wonder if anyone was really aggrieved with the EU before the referendum was called, like, day to day were they seething with the burning injustices that the EU were foisting upon them on a daily basis?
No Deal is a farce anyway, since the very first thing we'd have to do, literally the day after we flounced out like an angry toddler, is start negotiating trading terms with the EU, or in other words, y'know, a deal.
Except it'll be worse than the deal we've already got by being a member.
No Deal is a farce anyway, since the very first thing we'd have to do, literally the day after we flounced out like an angry toddler, is start negotiating trading terms with the EU, or in other words, y'know, a deal.
Except it'll be worse than the deal we've already got by being a member.
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Yes in answer to your question for many years
