Brexit - whats the difference.....

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Yes it's like the 'EU ARMY' is something to be scared of, even if that were something that the EU were advocating, which they're not.

Historically speaking, the armies you want to be scared of are the ones you're not part of, after all, you're not going to be invaded by your own army. Why should we be scared of an army we'd be part of?

Fast forward to a hypothetical World War 3, do we want it to be the the UK versus China/Russia, or the EU (including the UK) versus China/Russia?

There are many real and dangerous threats in the world right now. The EU isn't one of them.
 

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You vote for UKIP while claiming the EU Parliament doesn't represent your views, but then the former leader of UKIP has one of the poorest attendance records of any MEP, while happily claiming his salary.

If you invite monkeys into your house, they're going to shit everywhere. Except that monkey will rub it in your face and tell you it's what you asked for.
 

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Yes it's like the 'EU ARMY' is something to be scared of, even if that were something that the EU were advocating, which they're not.

Historically speaking, the armies you want to be scared of are the ones you're not part of, after all, you're not going to be invaded by your own army. Why should we be scared of an army we'd be part of?

Fast forward to a hypothetical World War 3, do we want it to be the the UK versus China/Russia, or the EU (including the UK) versus China/Russia?

There are many real and dangerous threats in the world right now. The EU isn't one of them.
What is your username on Digital Spy by the way because you clearly belong there?
 

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You vote for UKIP while claiming the EU Parliament doesn't represent your views, but then the former leader of UKIP has one of the poorest attendance records of any MEP, while happily claiming his salary.

If you invite monkeys into your house, they're going to shit everywhere. Except that monkey will rub it in your face and tell you it's what you asked for.
I don't want the EU parliament to represent me I vote for a government in the UK to represent me so I will continue to send UKIP to the EU to disrupt this ridiculous club as much as possible.
 

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I don't want the EU parliament to represent me I vote for a government in the UK to represent me so I will continue to send UKIP to the EU to disrupt this ridiculous club as much as possible.
And this is the problem. They don't disrupt it. They don't turn up. They just collect the pay.

Then they tell you that the EU is the problem because it doesn't represent you.

They tell you that other countries are queueing up to leave. Tellingly, none have yet to come forward.

You've been lied to, and you've been played. You might be happy with that, but don't try and convince me that swallowing the lie is better than remaining. Because I've seen no evidence.

To quote Jason Donovan, you give me one good reason to leave EU, I'll give you ten good reasons to stay.
 

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And this is the problem. They don't disrupt it. They don't turn up. They just collect the pay.

Then they tell you that the EU is the problem because it doesn't represent you.

They tell you that other countries are queueing up to leave. Tellingly, none have yet to come forward.

You've been lied to, and you've been played. You might be happy with that, but don't try and convince me that swallowing the lie is better than remaining. Because I've seen no evidence.

To quote Jason Donovan, you give me one good reason to leave EU, I'll give you ten good reasons to stay.
I have been lied to??? I have been played??? In what way I have already said I have wanted to leave EU for over 25 years so no one has LIED to me or PLAYED me as I have my own mind.
 

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I suppose once we leave, the erm 'democratically-outvoted' side will petition relentlessly to get us back in at the first opportunity!

Probably via Change.org or Facebook :D
 

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I suppose once we leave, the erm 'democratically-outvoted' side will petition relentlessly to get us back in at the first opportunity!

Probably via Change.org or Facebook :D
Zealots have never had much time for democracy.
 

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Yes it's like the 'EU ARMY' is something to be scared of, even if that were something that the EU were advocating, which they're not.

Historically speaking, the armies you want to be scared of are the ones you're not part of, after all, you're not going to be invaded by your own army. Why should we be scared of an army we'd be part of?

Fast forward to a hypothetical World War 3, do we want it to be the the UK versus China/Russia, or the EU (including the UK) versus China/Russia?

There are many real and dangerous threats in the world right now. The EU isn't one of them.
Have you read orwell's 1984 or animal farm by any chance? :D

Of course they want an EU army, it stands to reason if they want to become a federal super state with it's own foreign policy they'll need a centralised army to back it up. If they did away with the commissioners and had the various heads of state regularly appearing in that parliament in strasbourg it would be better, these bureaucrats like tusk have no right to be in a powerful position bossing the elected heads of state around.
 

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And this is the problem. They don't disrupt it. They don't turn up. They just collect the pay.

Then they tell you that the EU is the problem because it doesn't represent you.

They tell you that other countries are queueing up to leave. Tellingly, none have yet to come forward.

You've been lied to, and you've been played. You might be happy with that, but don't try and convince me that swallowing the lie is better than remaining. Because I've seen no evidence.

To quote Jason Donovan, you give me one good reason to leave EU, I'll give you ten good reasons to stay.
I wonder why? :rolleyes::rolleyes:
 

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I think the last two years isn't proof of how difficult brexit will be, but proof of how much the elites/establishment believed and were desperate for 'remain' to win, so they have had no intention of honouring the outcome and have been deliberately dragging their heels.
Theresa's watered down deal/soft brexit was the most they were prepared to swallow, and some say it's worse than remaining :eek:

I think we should have a 1 year extension, flush her deal down the lav where it belongs, appoint a new conservative leader and possibly have a general election based on brexit vs remain candidates, that'll be just as informative as another refererendum and hopefully we can kick out some of these dunderheads holding parliament to ransom, we'll need a new HOC speaker too.

We have a natural advantage over europe because of the english language and the commonwealth ties, for example, we should always be able to do more trade with India than say germany does.

And we've actually been a net contributor to the EU for years...

"From 2000 to 2017 the UK government made a net contribution of around £122 billion to the EU in real terms or around £109 billion in cash terms"

and yet we've been running a trade deficit with the EU for every year, so it's obvious UK tax revenues generated here and through overseas trade [non eu] has been pumped into the EU's coffers. They can then give bribes [handouts] to the less well off eu countries to keep them happy and toeing the line re new laws and rules.

Factor in the 2008 bank bail outs and blair's wars and you can see we've squandered a heck of a lot of money and resources on things that should have been preventable, and the same people who did these c*ck ups up in government now sqawk endlessly about how we must remain in the EU. :confused:
 

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Ok now that power's been restored it's time to revive this great thread

#MakeBrexitGreatAgain
 

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I think the last two years isn't proof of how difficult brexit will be, but proof of how much the elites/establishment believed and were desperate for 'remain' to win, so they have had no intention of honouring the outcome and have been deliberately dragging their heels.
Theresa's watered down deal/soft brexit was the most they were prepared to swallow, and some say it's worse than remaining :eek:

I think we should have a 1 year extension, flush her deal down the lav where it belongs, appoint a new conservative leader and possibly have a general election based on brexit vs remain candidates, that'll be just as informative as another refererendum and hopefully we can kick out some of these dunderheads holding parliament to ransom, we'll need a new HOC speaker too.

We have a natural advantage over europe because of the english language and the commonwealth ties, for example, we should always be able to do more trade with India than say germany does.

And we've actually been a net contributor to the EU for years...

"From 2000 to 2017 the UK government made a net contribution of around £122 billion to the EU in real terms or around £109 billion in cash terms"

and yet we've been running a trade deficit with the EU for every year, so it's obvious UK tax revenues generated here and through overseas trade [non eu] has been pumped into the EU's coffers. They can then give bribes [handouts] to the less well off eu countries to keep them happy and toeing the line re new laws and rules.

Factor in the 2008 bank bail outs and blair's wars and you can see we've squandered a heck of a lot of money and resources on things that should have been preventable, and the same people who did these c*ck ups up in government now sqawk endlessly about how we must remain in the EU. :confused:
Do you think the one year extension will be a good thing in the long run? Christ knows if it changed in the last 5 minutes but was reading that the EU would be prepared to accept that as they think it will allow time to agree to a. staying in the customs union and b. allowing the UK sole control over the Border. It's like a war of attrition.

As for the GE - Labour must be wondering what they need to do as it's probably be the conservatives with the majority of seats if it happens. If that's not a commentary on their current leadership, I don't know what is - i think they'd even struggle if it became like Mad Max. Be interested to see how all this affects the established parties in years to come.
 

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Do you think the one year extension will be a good thing in the long run? Christ knows if it changed in the last 5 minutes but was reading that the EU would be prepared to accept that as they think it will allow time to agree to a. staying in the customs union and b. allowing the UK sole control over the Border. It's like a war of attrition.

As for the GE - Labour must be wondering what they need to do as it's probably be the conservatives with the majority of seats if it happens. If that's not a commentary on their current leadership, I don't know what is - i think they'd even struggle if it became like Mad Max. Be interested to see how all this affects the established parties in years to come.
I think so because if it's one year that takes us past the conference season, and I just can't see Theresa fronting that conservative conference with normal members sitting there, so she'll have to be replaced and then hopefully we can have a new approach to negotiating with the EU. We've got to be tough with them and try and get them to see sense. yeah the labour party are in just a big as mess and their mp's are in denial. going to be interesting times we live in as both parties hierarchies want to ignore the brexit voter and yet it's probably still the majority position, especially with london and the few other remain hotbeds are taken out of the equation.

I have started to feel recently, it's tempting to say, let's forget the whole thing, just so we can have a bit of peace and quiet from the crying remainer mp's and media, it's the wrong way to think as we had a huge vote but you just get worn down by the negative whinging deceitful coverage.
 
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Brexit affects us all. Playing FM I had one of the youngsters come through. Was gonna bin him off but I guess with restricted movement etc I just couldn't bring myself to do it

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I see the Labour vote collapsed in that safe seat by-election last week. 9K majority reduced to 1700 or something. UKIP 3rd. C*rbum doesn't seem to realize what a pillock most of the electorate see him as. It's good in a way, because it ensures that the record of no socialist government since the Labour disaster of 1974-79 will be maintained.
 

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