Brexit - whats the difference.....

[goatwack]

You mean the Gove that facilitated the disastrous May tenure by stabbing his mate Boris in the back at the last leadership election?

The same Gove that stuck by May's side throughout her championing of that disastrous surrender WA 'deal'?

Brexit is over if Gove wins the leadership race.

Even more fundamental, he seems to be toxic to the electorate in general reading around the various online newspaper comment sections. The word snake is used a lot.

If the Tories stand any chance of winning the next election they have to get this right. It has to be someone who is 1) competent 2) not quite as duplicitous as we've become accustomed to and 3) believes that we can succeed outside of the EU (fully)

I know that Gove is 'May- Lite' but opting for the village idiot in Bojo would be detrimental in the long-term. The guy's a bumbling idiot

 

[TheAddict]

Imagine Boris & Trump trying to have an intelligent conversation. It sure would be a sight to behold.
I can imagine it going something like:

Trump is thinking 'this guy is an absolute idiot, wtf is he rambling on about'
Boris i thinking 'this guy is an absolute idiot, wtf is he rambling on about'
While the whole world is thinking 'these guys are absolute idiots, wtf are they rambling on about'

 

[goatwack]

Imagine Boris & Trump trying to have an intelligent conversation. It sure would be a sight to behold.
I can imagine it going something like:

Trump is thinking 'this guy is an absolute idiot, wtf is he rambling on about'
Boris i thinking 'this guy is an absolute idiot, wtf is he rambling on about'
While the whole world is thinking 'these guys absolute idiiots, wtf are they rambling on about'

It'll put the 'Immovable object meets unstoppable force' theory to the test

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Quote of the day for me goes to Dominic Raab on the Marr Show:

'I'm a details guy'

Also Dominic Raab, speaking about the Dover-Calais route being important to the UK as, y'know, an island. This is WHEN HE WAS BREXIT SECRETARY:

'I hadn't quite understood the full extent of this. But if you look at the UK and look at how we trade in goods, we are particularly reliant on the Dover-Calais crossing.'

No fucking shit Sherlock! This guy is 4/1 to be the next Tory leader, and by default should that happen, the next Prime Minister of the UK.

Thank god we avoided 'chaos with Ed Milliband', eh?

 

[dunover]

Quote of the day for me goes to Dominic Raab on the Marr Show:

'I'm a details guy'

Also Dominic Raab, speaking about the Dover-Calais route being important to the UK as, y'know, an island:

******

Thank god we avoided 'chaos with Ed Milliband', eh?

Indeed.

 

[dunover]

Well wasn't that fun last night?

The sight of the Plaid Cymru geezer trying to manipulate and rehash votes to claim Wales had gone to 'remain' lol.

Alistair Campbell trying to do the same.

If you add up UKIP/CON/Brexit Party votes, those aiming to get us out compared to the remain parties (Labour voided as nobody was really sure where they stood hence their battering, impossible to say how many of their voters are leavers or not) there was an even clearer Brexit statement than the referendum.

Brexit Party cleaned up, won by a distance. In our first past the post electoral system, this would destroy the traditional political hegemony if repeated in a general election.

So there won't be one any time soon, Government and Labour have no choice but to ensure we leave with a deal, or we go without one on 31 October - or face annihilation of their parties.

BBC people trying desperately to big-up the LD and Greens, like those two remainers mentioned above, still deluded about the result.

So I ask remain - where were your 6-odd million keyboard warriors and armchair petition signers when it came to actually voting?

Yeah, thought so.

 

[steveh35]

Well wasn't that fun last night?

The sight of the Plaid Cymru geezer trying to manipulate and rehash votes to claim Wales had gone to 'remain' lol.

Alistair Campbell trying to do the same.

If you add up UKIP/CON/Brexit Party votes, those aiming to get us out compared to the remain parties (Labour voided as nobody was really sure where they stood hence their battering, impossible to say how many of their voters are leavers or not) there was an even clearer Brexit statement than the referendum.

Brexit Party cleaned up, won by a distance. In our first past the post electoral system, this would destroy the traditional political hegemony if repeated in a general election.

So there won't be one any time soon, Government and Labour have no choice but to ensure we leave with a deal, or we go without one on 31 October - or face annihilation of their parties.

BBC people trying desperately to big-up the LD and Greens, like those two remainers mentioned above, still deluded about the result.

So I ask remain - where were your 6-odd million keyboard warriors and armchair petition signers when it came to actually voting?

Yeah, thought so.

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Well the remainers had this plan all along to add up the votes of all the combined parties and claim it as a remain victory that Plaid guy was particularly annoying and Huw Edwards didn't seem to have the energy or couldn't be bothered to argue. It just shows what a mess it is now no one can ever claim victory as there are always excuses turnout, age of voters etc etc

 

[dunover]

Well the remainers had this plan all along to add up the votes of all the combined parties and claim it as a remain victory that Plaid guy was particularly annoying and Huw Edwards didn't seem to have the energy or couldn't be bothered to argue. It just shows what a mess it is now no one can ever claim victory as there are always excuses turnout, age of voters etc etc

Yes, pretty much.
So essentially we had an overall repeat of 2016, Scotland and London remain, Wales and England leave. Surely the deniers and deluded need to finally accept the result, it's been endorsed again. If Labour/Con are stupid enough not to enact the people's vote of 2016 in the coming 5 months, they deserve all they've got coming to them. Oh! Hang on, Labour now talking about switching to remain.

 

[steveh35]

Yes, pretty much.
So essentially we had an overall repeat of 2016, Scotland and London remain, Wales and England leave. Surely the deniers and deluded need to finally accept the result, it's been endorsed again. If Labour/Con are stupid enough not to enact the people's vote of 2016 in the coming 5 months, they deserve all they've got coming to them. Oh! Hang on, Labour now talking about switching to remain.

Lib Dems and Greens don't realise they are a protest vote even Alaistair Campbell voted Lid Dem to protest about Labour and if anyone saw that annoying Green woman on last night whose only answer to everything was "Bristol voted Green Bristol did this Bristol shows we now a force in politics blah blah blah". Lib Dems benefited because like Brexit Party they chose a side of the fence, the Chukkup party has proven that you can't just say what some people want to hear and everyone likes you. Farage appeals to the working class man who does Chukkup and co appeal to.

 

[steveh35]

It is quite amusing on another forum which is full of pro remainers mainly they have started a thread The 17.4 million, proclaiming that 16m voted in last nights elections so where are the 17.4m leave voters.

As well as the stupid most of them died comments they are saying why did leave voters not turn out to vote blah blah blah, when someone points out that the 16m remain voters did not turn out to vote either they conveniently don't get a reply

So where were the 16m remain voters on Thursday?

 

[paul7388]

Well wasn't that fun last night?

The sight of the Plaid Cymru geezer trying to manipulate and rehash votes to claim Wales had gone to 'remain' lol.

Alistair Campbell trying to do the same.

If you add up UKIP/CON/Brexit Party votes, those aiming to get us out compared to the remain parties (Labour voided as nobody was really sure where they stood hence their battering, impossible to say how many of their voters are leavers or not) there was an even clearer Brexit statement than the referendum.

Brexit Party cleaned up, won by a distance. In our first past the post electoral system, this would destroy the traditional political hegemony if repeated in a general election.

So there won't be one any time soon, Government and Labour have no choice but to ensure we leave with a deal, or we go without one on 31 October - or face annihilation of their parties.

BBC people trying desperately to big-up the LD and Greens, like those two remainers mentioned above, still deluded about the result.

So I ask remain - where were your 6-odd million keyboard warriors and armchair petition signers when it came to actually voting?

Yeah, thought so.

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Okay if it was a general election Brexit party would not win.

But i do not see where you get this idea it was a landslide victory saying people wanted to leave.

Brexit party got 33% of vote so yes they won easily. But if you add up percentage of vote for other parties who support remain especially if labour now go that way for votes then remain had higher %.

 

[steveh35]

Okay if it was a general election Brexit party would not win.

But i do not see where you get this idea it was a landslide victory saying people wanted to leave.

Brexit party got 33% of vote so yes they won easily. But if you add up percentage of vote for other parties who support remain especially if labour now go that way for votes then remain had higher %.

You do not know what way people would have voted for example people might vote Green because they are concerned about the environment and see it as a bigger issue than Brexit even if they are a leave voter, you do not know which way Labour voters would go as big labour areas like Sunderland, Barnsley, Doncaster etc would choose leave over Labour, The Tories as we know are a split party so some of their votes would go to the brexit side the only true remianers are Lib Dems and Chukkup.

Plus as we keep being told by remainers only 16m went out to vote out of 43m eligble in the eu referendum 33m voted so only half the electorate of the referndum bothered to voted in Euros.

UK Turnout in Euros 36.7% turnout in EU referendum 71.4% So are you assuming that the other 35% from the EU who didn't turnout would have voted equal between the two?

 

[paul7388]

You do not know what way people would have voted for example people might vote Green because they are concerned about the environment and see it as a bigger issue than Brexit even if they are a leave voter, you do not know which way Labour voters would go as big labour areas like Sunderland, Barnsley, Doncaster etc would choose leave over Labour, The Tories as we know are a split party so some of their votes would go to the brexit side the only true remianers are Lib Dems and Chukkup.

Plus as we keep being told by remainers only 16m went out to vote out of 43m eligble in the eu referendum 33m voted so only half the electorate of the referendum bothered to voted in Euros.

UK Turnout in Euros 36.7% turnout in EU referendum 71.4% So are you assuming that the other 35% from the EU who didn't turnout would have voted equal between the two?

See it is a way of twisting figures to suit outlook on it.

Official figures for remain supporting parties were 40% leaving parties 35%. Turnout 33%. Now it is a meaningless election that a lot of people were not bothered about. But you could say if people wanted to get over the point that they must leave then Brexit party would have had even more people turnout to vote for them.

What ever way you look at it there is no landslide victory showing majority of country is desperate to leave.

Main problem tho will be getting Brexit in the first place. Be very hard to get House of Commons to agree No Deal Brexit. Mp's from all parties want different so same as all year hard to get a compromise and accepted deal. Can see this eventually going pack to another referendum.

 

[steveh35]

See it is a way of twisting figures to suit outlook on it.

Official figures for remain supporting parties were 40% leaving parties 35%. Turnout 33%. Now it is a meaningless election that a lot of people were not bothered about. But you could say if people wanted to get over the point that they must leave then Brexit party would have had even more people turnout to vote for them.

What ever way you look at it there is no landslide victory showing majority of country is desperate to leave.

Main problem tho will be getting Brexit in the first place. Be very hard to get House of Commons to agree No Deal Brexit. Mp's from all parties want different so same as all year hard to get a compromise and accepted deal. Can see this eventually going pack to another referendum.

There's no landslide victory showing a majority of people desperately want to remain we had an EU referendum which showed the biggest turnout and vote in UK history was to leave, now we are getting well 36% turnout shows we want to remain no UK vote has ever shown a majority of 50% or more to remain that's the difference.

 

[paul7388]

There's no landslide victory showing a majority of people desperately want to remain we had an EU referendum which showed the biggest turnout and vote in UK history was to leave, now we are getting well 36% turnout shows we want to remain no UK vote has ever shown a majority of 50% or more to remain that's the difference.

Exactly it was a meaningless election with nothing clear at all. Brexit party obviously were going to get votes as people whether they want remain or leave were so pissed of with tories and labour .

The whole thing is a total mess with no easy way of sorting.

But what Dunover was making out was how these results showed what the public wanted and how now it must be acted on which the results do nothing of the sort.

And actually the biggest turnout and vote in UK history was the referendum in scotland where we said no to independence.

 

[steveh35]

Exactly it was a meaningless election with nothing clear at all. Brexit party obviously were going to get votes as people whether they want remain or leave were so pissed of with tories and labour .

The whole thing is a total mess with no easy way of sorting.

But what Dunover was making out was how these results showed what the public wanted and how now it must be acted on which the results do nothing of the sort.

And actually the biggest turnout and vote in UK history was the referendum in scotland where we said no to independence.

The biggest UK can't be in Scotland when 63m people did not get a vote, by the way if I had I would have voted for Scotland to leave I believe any country should be free to leave a union if it chooses to and in the future Yorkshire will be a free country when we vote to leave the UK.

 

[paul7388]

The biggest UK can't be in Scotland when 63m people did not get a vote, by the way if I had I would have voted for Scotland to leave I believe any country should be free to leave a union if it chooses to and in the future Yorkshire will be a free country when we vote to leave the UK.

It was still the biggest turnout percentage wise of any election ever to take place in UK. Lol good luck on Yorkshire leaving UK. But SNP want to leave UK but remain in EU so it is hardly becoming independent.

 

[steveh35]

It was still the biggest turnout percentage wise of any election ever to take place in UK. Lol good luck on Yorkshire leaving UK. But SNP want to leave UK but remain in EU so it is hardly becoming independent.

Exactly but when you challenge a Scot on why they want to leave one and join another all you get is "it's different it's not the same". To be honest I regret Scotland not leaving because they would have been in this mess right now, stuck outside the Eu with a border between England and NI and desperately trying to negotiate with Brussels, how i wish they had left and watched the fun unfold but alas we went down a different time portal and somewhere in a parallel universe Scotland is cut off by a border and no EU customs union.

As for Yorkshire the government has already shown we scare it by refusing a Yorkshire devolved area as it said it would make Yorkshire too powerful which is why the ongoing dispute over the Sheffield City Region and the fight for OneYorkshire goes on.

 

[steveh35]

@dunover you will like this

 

[goatwack]

Well done everyone well done....da Brexit Party boys did good

We're on the right side of history

 

[dunover]

Okay if it was a general election Brexit party would not win.

But i do not see where you get this idea it was a landslide victory saying people wanted to leave.

Brexit party got 33% of vote so yes they won easily. But if you add up percentage of vote for other parties who support remain especially if labour now go that way for votes then remain had higher %.

But Labour were not that way before last Thursday's election, they were still claiming to support a deal-based exit.

Whichever way you want to guess the intent of Labour voters, the clearly defined leavers of BP/UKIP/Con beat the Green/Chuck-up/LD grouping.

Unfortunately for the remainers' twisted logic and false projections, much of the Green vote and about 1/3 of the LD vote were naturally occurring party loyalists and Brexit had nothing to do with them. Being generous to the remainers and apportioning EVERY single Green/LD vote above last time's elections plus ALL the change UK votes as those of revokers/remainers this percentage is way short of the BP's where you know beyond doubt that every voter made them their choice for only one reason - Brexit.

You can't read much into the Scotland vote as the SNP's WJKrankie with a falling popularity actually asked to 'borrow' votes of remainers who wouldn't normally vote for them. In Scotland it's far more confused as you have voters who want neither independence or to remain in the EU, to stay in one or the other and fourthly to leave both.

 

[cncas2123]

One thing that confuses me, maybe I’m too low of an IQ to work out the answer to this , but why does it seem to be that it’s remainers who I hear all the time saying that leavers didn’t know what they were voting for but I’ve yet to hear a leave voter say that?

 

[steveh35]

One thing that confuses me, maybe I’m too low of an IQ to work out the answer to this , but why does it seem to be that it’s remainers who I hear all the time saying that leavers didn’t know what they were voting for but I’ve yet to hear a leave voter say that?

Remainers believe we are all old, thick, racist and a few weeks off dying of old age. They think anyone who doesn't agree with them is of low intelligence and cannot be trusted with a vote as we do not understand how things work and therefore we should not be allowed to air our views or vote as we cannot cope with political understanding.

 

[goatwack]

Remainers have crystal balls, plus have IQs of 166 by default!

 

[09237653]

One thing that confuses me, maybe I’m too low of an IQ to work out the answer to this , but why does it seem to be that it’s remainers who I hear all the time saying that leavers didn’t know what they were voting for but I’ve yet to hear a leave voter say that?

Because one leavers idea of leaving may be completely different to another leaver, CU vs no CU for example, Nigel Farage often said pre ref 'we can be like Norway' so many people may have voted for that despite now claiming that all 17 million people included himself campaigned and voted for WTO (no deal) from the start which has been proven time and time again to be a lie, some probably voted for the proclaimed 'easiest deal in history' narrative some mps were leading with because 'leaving with no deal would be madness' again this is all out of the window now.

edit: Almost forgot the red bus 350milion a week for the nhs, again this was a lie but still may have swayed many voters and the hardcore brexiteers now say but we knew all along we would be poorer but that's what we voted for.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

It mildly annoys me when remainers point to examples of businesses using brexit as a convenient excuse to cut staff/relocate etc. Scratch beneath the veneer and you can see in the vast majority of cases it has nothing to do with brexit.

Also annoying are these 'projections' etc about how much poorer we'll be outside of the EU. For so called intelligent people, you'd think remainers would be questioning the motives behind these studies and who's funding them...but of course it suits their narrative so no questions asked.

 

[cncas2123]

Because one leavers idea of leaving may be completely different to another leaver, CU vs no CU for example, Nigel Farage often said pre ref 'we can be like Norway' so many people may have voted for that despite now claiming that all 17 million people included himself campaigned and voted for WTO (no deal) from the start which has been proven time and time again to be a lie, some probably voted for the proclaimed 'easiest deal in history' narrative some mps were leading with because 'leaving with no deal would be madness' again this is all out of the window now.

edit: Almost forgot the red bus 350milion a week for the nhs, again this was a lie but still may have swayed many voters and the hardcore brexiteers now say but we knew all along we would be poorer but that's what we voted for.

But I have never heard a leaver say they didnt know what they were voting for, only remainers seem to be saying that. I am presuming from the reply you are a remainer who thinks leavers didnt know what they were voting for? I need to point out at this stage my vote in the referendum was to stay, but theres been so much duplicity from all the politicians that if it ever went to another referendum I would be very tempted to vote leave.

 

[09237653]

But I have never heard a leaver say they didnt know what they were voting for, only remainers seem to be saying that. I am presuming from the reply you are a remainer who thinks leavers didnt know what they were voting for? I need to point out at this stage my vote in the referendum was to stay, but theres been so much duplicity from all the politicians that if it ever went to another referendum I would be very tempted to vote leave.

Individually they may know or have some idea what they want but as a collective they dont know and would never be able to agree on anything that will keep them all happy, if that makes sense.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

I also have no idea why people keep bringing up that bus. The general premise is legit. The money wasn't being promised to the NHS, it was pointing out that the money we contribute to the EU could be spent elsewhere e.g the NHS.

With remainers it's like their heads are filled with this one track vision of overturning the referendum result; insulting leave voters and making up spurious crap along the way.

 

[09237653]

Well remainers tend to do research and use facts and logic. The bus was horseshit and we all know it now, Farage even said so the day after the referendum.

 

[paul7388]

Well remainers tend to do research and use facts and logic. The bus was horseshit and we all know it now, Farage even said so the day after the referendum.

That was the same Farage that drummed it into everyone that he could that if we remained the country would be overrun with masses of illegal immigrants. Been through it before a vast amount of people voted purely on that basis.

 

[cncas2123]

Individually they may know or have some idea what they want but as a collective they dont know and would never be able to agree on anything that will keep them all happy, if that makes sense.

Sorry, but to me this proves my point, this is a response from a remainer telling me that they know better than a voter who voted leave. I have leave voters among my friends and not one of them has said that they have changed their mind or that they want a new vote. When we see the people on TV clamouring for a new referendum its all remain voters, not a single leaver amongst them. So why do remainers still believe they know better than a leave voter?

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Well remainers tend to do research and use facts and logic. The bus was horseshit and we all know it now, Farage even said so the day after the referendum.

It's easy to spout 'facts' when using hindsight. Anyone can use facts to promote the status quo in pretty much any aspect of life, it's not hard. Remainers use the fear of the unknown concept to try to dissuade leave voters. Throw in to the mix the efforts of the establishment to make brexit seem brainless and you have the perfect project fear scenario.

Guess what? Everything boils down to money and the perpetuation of the elite gravy train that is embroiled in the neo liberalism we see now. These people proclaiming brexit will be the end of the world (business, politicians etc) are not interested in you or your family- it's cold hard cash they're interested in. Maintaining the status quo of money leeching up from the bottom to the top. Hence the rich get richer.

All the EU is doing is facilitating this. When was the last time they had their accounts fully ratified?

You can argue the technicalities of that bus and its headline message all you like but the overall message it was trying to convey was spot on.

 

[geordiecolin]

Well wasn't that fun last night?

The sight of the Plaid Cymru geezer trying to manipulate and rehash votes to claim Wales had gone to 'remain' lol.

Alistair Campbell trying to do the same.

If you add up UKIP/CON/Brexit Party votes, those aiming to get us out compared to the remain parties (Labour voided as nobody was really sure where they stood hence their battering, impossible to say how many of their voters are leavers or not) there was an even clearer Brexit statement than the referendum.

Brexit Party cleaned up, won by a distance. In our first past the post electoral system, this would destroy the traditional political hegemony if repeated in a general election.

So there won't be one any time soon, Government and Labour have no choice but to ensure we leave with a deal, or we go without one on 31 October - or face annihilation of their parties.

BBC people trying desperately to big-up the LD and Greens, like those two remainers mentioned above, still deluded about the result.

So I ask remain - where were your 6-odd million keyboard warriors and armchair petition signers when it came to actually voting?

Yeah, thought so.

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^^^ Spot on. In just a few weeks of forming the Brexit party has done amazingly. They had no history to present to the voter,very few known faces and their manifesto was a single issue.
I believe that many voters stayed loyal to the Cons and labour in the hope that they will sort their shit out. If they don't then they really could get obliterated. And they will deserve it

 

[vorcirion]

I hope one of those brexit-people becomes your new PM. I want to see how (s)he deals with the situation.

 

[09237653]

Remainers: We won.

Brexiteers: We won!

It can be spun to fit any narrative really.

 

[goatwack]

Yes, Remainers like to prophesy Future Facts

I also mentioned that hindsight is indeed a wonderful thing, if we were to apply that logic to every party or leader in history then no one'd ever vote again for fear of 'shucks, got it wrong again'

Also the narrative being regurgitated that given the option of changing their mind and changing their vote to 'remain', all simpleton short-sighted Leavers would see the light (finally) and join the right side is laughable. Everyone I've spoken to about this would still vote to leave.

Just how - HOW - is this possible?!?

 

[geordiecolin]

Well remainers tend to do research and use facts and logic. The bus was horseshit and we all know it now, Farage even said so the day after the referendum.

What about the lies spouted by the likes of Osbourn,big business and Cameron? What about the supposed bullshit spouted about our economy by Carney about market crashes,job losses and recession which would hit us if there was a leave verdict? The governor of the bank of England has always been a politically neutral roll until his intervention.
When the full force of the establishment is utilised for a cause you bet your life it is for their own self interest and not for the good of the average Joe

 

[geordiecolin]

I hope one of those brexit-people becomes your new PM. I want to see how (s)he deals with the situation.

We are both wishing for the same thing. You must become my friend

 

[Mr_Slot5]

When the full force of the establishment is utilised for a cause you bet your life it is for their own self interest and not for the good of the average Joe

Spot on.

 

[09237653]

And im sure Nigel Farage and Jacob Reese Mogg are 100% out for your interests over their own.

In reality brexit is probability the last thing NF wants because he makes a mint out of it why would he want to end the gravy train, Arron Banks can help out a bit but he may be in prison soon..

 

[vorcirion]

Didn't Farage have a chance to become PM after the brexit vote? I think he was like...yeah here's your brexit and then he just left?

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Didn't Farage have a chance to become PM after the brexit vote? I think he was like...yeah here's your brexit and then he just left?

No, he couldn't have become PM at the time because of how our FPTP system works. Plus, at that point in time, another GE wasn't on the table.

He achieved what he set out to achieve- we got a referendum on EU membership and we opted out. His job was done.

Because of the prevarication that ensued over actually leaving, he felt compelled to return to get the job done once and for all.

 

[geordiecolin]

And im sure Nigel Farage and Jacob Reese Mogg are 100% out for your interests over their own.

In reality brexit is probability the last thing NF wants because he makes a mint out of it why would he want to end the gravy train, Arron Banks can help out a bit but he may be in prison soon..

All politicians are in it for their own egos and a degree of self interest. Ever heard the saying that anyone who puts themselves up for office should be automatically barred from doing so?
The difference is in if you believe in what their policy/s are.

 

[dunover]

Didn't Farage have a chance to become PM after the brexit vote? I think he was like...yeah here's your brexit and then he just left?

I doubt it considering he's not even an MP and never has been. Is this another remainer 'fact'?

EDIT - or does he mean Ca-moron?

(who did disappear like a rat up a drainpipe after the referendum.)

 

[geordiecolin]

Didn't Farage have a chance to become PM after the brexit vote? I think he was like...yeah here's your brexit and then he just left?

I think that you need to clarify on what you have just suggested otherwise our newfound friendship could get stretched a tad!

 

[vorcirion]

I doubt it considering he's not even an MP and never has been. Is this another remainer 'fact'?

your attitude is always ridiculous. you despise everyone who doesn't think your way...no point responding to you.

 

[vorcirion]

I think that you need to clarify on what you have just suggested otherwise our newfound friendship could get stretched a tad!

I just remember that there were many discussions if he wanted to be PM after the brexit vote and he said no. I don't know if he wants to do it now?

 

[geordiecolin]

I just remember that there were many discussions if he wanted to be PM after the brexit vote and he said no. I don't know if he wants to do it now?

Could you give a single source of this please my new found friend?

 

[paul7388]

Yes, Remainers like to prophesy Future Facts

I also mentioned that hindsight is indeed a wonderful thing, if we were to apply that logic to every party or leader in history then no one'd ever vote again for fear of 'shucks, got it wrong again'

Also the narrative being regurgitated that given the option of changing their mind and changing their vote to 'remain', all simpleton short-sighted Leavers would see the light (finally) and join the right side is laughable. Everyone I've spoken to about this would still vote to leave.

Just how - HOW - is this possible?!?

Come on now Goatie my friend play nice.

Both sides have prophecised future facts. Whether it is the we are doomed and country will fall apart if we leave from remainers or the it is garbage Europe will be falling over to deal with us and so will rest of world so we will be better off when we leave from leave voters.

End of the day what politician does not lie and spin things to get what they want. Both sides are as guilty.

It is same as everything in life. Some will vote as they think they know what they are voting for and others will vote even tho they have no clue just because it sounds good or because they like one particular idea.

Saw it again today Sad Sturgeon has used a small turnout of voters up here to say again it is proof it is time to go for independence as she won 10% more votes than last time. Yet add votes that were split from parties against independence and she has probably less support.

The votes in EU elections for UK figures can be spun and have been by both sides to make it look like the people have proved what they want lol.