Brexit - whats the difference.....

[pinnit2014]

If there was a poll for most tedious thread at CM, i know which one would get my vote!

Says a lot given that ur an avid reader of the Bonanza 10x win thread

 

[pinnit2014]

Absolutely terrifying that the shops have empty shelves, all because of nasty old Brexit.... I mean never in the history of shopping has there ever been such a thing as a shelf missing three loaves of bread, an empty space where the spuds should have been....

Same old chopley, whatever happens its all down to Brexit, unless its actually something good - thats just a fluke and it would have been so much better without Brexit.

As Mcgame pointed out re Pingdemics etc

But i suppose that doesn't suit the narrative he wants to tediously run with.

PS - i voted to remain but there comes a point where you go, we aimed, we shot, we missed. -bit like the England football team at the Euro's.

 

[cncas2123]

As Mcgame pointed out re Pingdemics etc

But i suppose that doesn't suit the narrative he wants to tediously run with.

PS - i voted to remain but there comes a point where you go, we aimed, we shot, we missed. -bit like the England football team at the Euro's.

This has been my point since I started the thread - regardless of what way anyone voted the democracy we all ascribe to is dependent on following the will of the people after free and fair elections.
In the case of Brexit it was a free and fair referendum and once the decision was made, even though the referendum was non binding, the democratic thing to do was to invoke article 50 and leave the EU.
Brexit will most certainly be what we make it, and the majority of the UK is mature and responsible enough to try and make a go of it.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

So once something happens we're not supposed to analyse what things went well, what things didn't, what could be done better or improved etc?

Riffs on 'you lost get over it' almost by definition preclude the possibility of a critical analysis of what impacts Brexit has had, and by extension, what the correct course of action for the UK might be, on a huge range of issues, going forward.

When I conclude a project at work and a customer comes back to me with something they're not happy about, I don't just say 'The project is finished now, get over it', I listen to their feedback, understand their concerns, and put forward suggestions to make things better, because that's, y'know, the sensible, helpful, pragmatic and adult thing to do.

The starting point for 'debate' about Brexit seems to be that (a) It's done and (b) It's perfect, and therefore any attempt to question its effects or suggest improvements can immediately be labelled (rather conveniently) as 'anti-democratic'.

Brexit isn't finished yet as a process, yes the UK has left the EU as a single event, but that's clearly only part of a process that will be ongoing for many years, if not decades to come, and pointing out stuff that it's made worse, and actions that could be taken to to mitigate those negative effects, is an entirely sensible way to go about things. (And also, good for the UK.)

 

[Gaz237]

So once something happens we're not supposed to analyse what things went well, what things didn't, what could be done better or improved etc?

Riffs on 'you lost get over it' almost by definition preclude the possibility of a critical analysis of what impacts Brexit has had, and by extension, what the correct course of action for the UK might be, on a huge range of issues, going forward.

When I conclude a project at work and a customer comes back to me with something they're not happy about, I don't just say 'The project is finished now, get over it', I listen to their feedback, understand their concerns, and put forward suggestions to make things better, because that's, y'know, the sensible, helpful, pragmatic and adult thing to do.

The starting point for 'debate' about Brexit seems to be that (a) It's done and (b) It's perfect, and therefore any attempt to question its effects or suggest improvements can immediately be labelled (rather conveniently) as 'anti-democratic'.

Brexit isn't finished yet as a process, yes the UK has left the EU as a single event, but that's clearly only part of a process that will be ongoing for many years, if not decades to come, and pointing out stuff that it's made worse, and actions that could be taken to to mitigate those negative effects, is an entirely sensible way to go about things. (And also, good for the UK.)

Choppers, you cherry pick anything possible to slag Brexit off, You don't analyse feck all or discuss what else could of been done.

You just post constant bitterness driven drivel to suit your agenda, because you didn't get the vote you wanted.

Shelves in shops being empty have FA to do with Brexit.

It a complete lack of drivers (and staff) due to the pingdemic, which i believe they have now made delivery drivers essential workers. Every single supermarket and agency are screaming out for drivers.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

And there we are again, it has to be binary, it can't be anything at all to do with Brexit, literally 'fuck all' to do with Brexit, completely black or white.

Whereas I have never claimed that the shortage of drivers is entirely down to Brexit, but that it's partly to do with Brexit, and it is an exacerbating factor it what is a very complex situation with many moving parts.

The 'pingdemic' is a problem, Covid is a problem, many UK based truck drivers leaving the profession is a problem, but the fact that 25,000 EU drivers are estimated to have been lost from UK roads as a result of Brexit is also a problem.

It's not a question of 'slagging Brexit off', and as for having never suggested alternatives, I mean, the history of this very thread would suggest otherwise..... But hey, just 'cherry pick' the bits you want

 

[interlog]

Every single supermarket and agency are screaming out for drivers.

And that is the crux of the matter. A combination of the DVLA not processing license renewals in a timely manner, cancellation of LGV driving tests during the pandemic, summer school holidays (when drivers decide to spend time away with their family), the impact of the IR35 changes, and fresh blood not wanting to join the industry (a train crash that was coming down the line way before Brexit was even invented, we talked about this some 20 years ago!).

Agency LGV drivers can now demand up to £50 per hour.

We, I work for one of the big four supermarkets in Logistics, across our depots have recently been employing almost 200 new drivers.

Brexit has had a miniscule effect. The other factors mentioned above are the real reason for the driver shortage.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Brexit has had a miniscule effect. The other factors mentioned above are the real reason for the driver shortage.

So more than 'fuck all' then.

(I'd argue more than 'miniscule effect', but whatever, the point stands that Brexit is a factor.)

 

[interlog]

So more than 'fuck all' then.

If Brexit didn't happen, there still would be a driver shortage. It has been predicted years and years ago.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

If Brexit didn't happen, there still would be a driver shortage. It has been predicted years and years ago.

I don't disagree with you, but Brexit is one of the straws that's helped to break the camel's back.

 

[interlog]

I don't disagree with you, but Brexit is one of the straws that's helped to break the camel's back.

But not the reason for the empty shelves, as you're alluding by posting your friends WhatsApp group account in the Brexit topic

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Well I guess it's impossible to say definitively, one way or other, what exact conflation of circumstances may have led to any particular shelf being bare of certain products at any given time, but I'd throw Brexit into the mix as a contributing factor to the overall picture.

 

[dunover]

Well I guess it's impossible to say definitively, one way or other, what exact conflation of circumstances may have led to any particular shelf being bare of certain products at any given time, but I'd throw Brexit into the mix as a contributing factor to the overall picture.

Of course, of course...

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Of course, of course...

I strive for consistency.

 

[pinnit2014]

That, i admit, you're adept it

 

[pinnit2014]

Well I guess it's impossible to say definitively, one way or other, what exact conflation of circumstances may have led to any particular shelf being bare of certain products at any given time, but I'd throw Brexit into the mix as a contributing factor to the overall picture.

Gone from defo Brexit, to maybe...

Suppose that's an improvement of sorts.

 

[bamberfishcake]

The fruit section was sparse at Aldis, the tesco experience was similar.......

That's comedy gold, talk about a 21st century problem, Has he had issues finding argyle socks and gingham shirts

p.s. please tell him there's a shortage on charge for his hybrid.

 

[cncas2123]

I reckon it’s time to put this thread to sleep, Brexit is done whether we like it or not.
A nee thread can replace it , maybe we can call it “ It Was Brexit That Dunnit I Tells You” were posters can show all of the troubles in the world today are down to Brexit and nothing else ..

 

[pinnit2014]

The fruit section was sparse at Aldis, the tesco experience was similar.......

That's comedy gold, talk about a 21st century problem, Has he had issues finding argyle socks and gingham shirts

p.s. please tell him there's a shortage on charge for his hybrid.

I know, having to substitute apples for oranges has been a real ball kicker.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

No one's claiming that a reduction of choice at the supermarket is anything other than a first worst problem, the point is that it's another situation that Brexit has (in whatever small way), made worse.

I appreciate that deflection away from the reality of Brexit can appear useful as a method to obfuscate the gulf between what it promised, and what it delivered, so it's perhaps useful to have a reminder.

In casino deposit terms, Brexit is a horrible bust out before even landing a feature, along with endless game disconnects and crashes, and as a final flourish your PC explodes along with an exclamation of 'Bloody EU making my computer explode!'

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[dunover]

No stripy tanktops in M&S today either.

 

[bamberfishcake]

gulf between what it promised, and what it delivered,

This happens with every single political party that's won an election in my lifetime. They promise the earth and underdeliver, nothing new there.

I must admit, I'm so preoccupied with stuff other than Brexit, I don't profess to know much about the effects but would assume it's too early and too chaotic to link much of anything to Brexit at the minute. Your friend's use of language just made me chuckle.

As far as I know, we are still thrashing deals out and have a lot more thrashing to do. Could be years before you could evidence how effective Brexit was. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'll have a proper look when a headline grabs or I see something heavyweight other than arguably sparse shelves.

 

[pinnit2014]

This happens with every single political party that's won an election in my lifetime. They promise the earth and underdeliver, nothing new there.

I must admit, I'm so preoccupied with stuff other than Brexit, I don't profess to know much about the effects but would assume it's too early and too chaotic to link much of anything to Brexit at the minute. Your friend's use of language just made me chuckle.

As far as I know, we are still thrashing deals out and have a lot more thrashing to do. Could be years before you could evidence how effective Brexit was. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'll have a proper look when a headline grabs or I see something heavyweight other than arguably sparse shelves.

It's also really tricky to work out, outside of Brexit but in general, what the true lay of the land is: from 'we will invest more in local services and have pledged an extra 2 billion' sounds great, but when you drill into it, due to ring fencing monies etc, it transpires it's 500m less than 2011 standards. Sleight of hand.

Same for employment figures: you'll see 'reduced by x', then read somewhere else that the real decrease is not even 1/5th of that due to re-categorising etc.

You'd need a rainman spider diagram to suss it all out.

 

[bowki]

I just ordered new sunglasses from the UK and I have to pay an extra fee of 15€ for the shipping. Can you guys please come back to the Union? Thank you!

 

[mack341]

I see from the olympic's medal table we're ahead of the EU states so i'm prepared to chalk this up as another brexit success story