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danofthewibble

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Yeah, but thats why i said long term.
The more spins you put thru a slot, the closer to the theoretical rtp you would be, no?
Not really, as the RTP is not exclusive to you. Someone else could be getting 110% RTP, you could be getting 78% RTP and the hypothetical game would still be playing at 94% RTP.
 

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(The same theory can be said of scratch cards. Most say they have a chance of 1 in 5 of winning. But you could buy 20 cards and none would win a penny, as the 1 in 5 refers to all of those printed.)
 

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Not really, as the RTP is not exclusive to you. Someone else could be getting 110% RTP, you could be getting 78% RTP and the hypothetical game would still be playing at 94% RTP.
But those things all even out the more spins you put thru it.
Its not like my rtp on a slot would stay at 200% if i won 2x on my first spin.
Over the years it would creep closer to the trtp.

Same with the scratch cards.
Buy enough of them and if theres a 20% chance of winning, after buying enough you would reach that 20% winrate.
 

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But those things all even out the more spins you put thru it.
Its not like my rtp on a slot would stay at 200% if i won 2x on my first spin.
Over the years it would creep closer to the trtp.

Same with the scratch cards.
Buy enough of them and if theres a 20% chance of winning, after buying enough you would reach that 20% winrate.
Nope - only if you're the only person playing. The moment another player is involved, the variables increase. It's one reason the RTP is theoretical - it would be correct if you were the only person who played :)
 

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Nope - only if you're the only person playing. The moment another player is involved, the variables increase. It's one reason the RTP is theoretical - it would be correct if you were the only person who played :)
But the rtp over 200 billion spins (or however many they do when testing) will be 96%.
Does not matter if its 10 people each doing 20 billion spins, or one person doing 200 billion, the result will be the same.

Why would another person playing affect my rtp on the slot in any way?

Edit: It would work like you say if they are compensated.
Then a lucky hit from one player would need to be compensated by taking from others.
 

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Rtp doesn’t necessarily account for a slot being any good. It’s more to do with how the slot is structured to pay out the rtp.

Example, a slot has a rtp of 98%. Every £1 you spin you get 98p back. Great! You are never ahead.
 

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Rtp doesn’t necessarily account for a slot being any good. It’s more to do with how the slot is structured to pay out the rtp.

Example, a slot has a rtp of 98%. Every £1 you spin you get 98p back. Great! You are never ahead.
True, but more rtp leaves more room for a good basegame & good bonuses.
Wich is what makes people choose certain slots over other ones, and what providers are shooting for since they want as much of the market as possible to themselves.
The lower the rtp is, the more the base&bonus pays have to be shaved off.
 

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Not really, as the RTP is not exclusive to you. Someone else could be getting 110% RTP, you could be getting 78% RTP and the hypothetical game would still be playing at 94% RTP.
No it isn't. The amount if people playing has no influence on anything.

RTP is based on the overall game across a site(s) depending on how many sites an operator runs. Your own personal RTP is irrelevant statistically...
 

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Nope - only if you're the only person playing. The moment another player is involved, the variables increase. It's one reason the RTP is theoretical - it would be correct if you were the only person who played :)
No, the reason it's called a theoretical RTP is because due to randomness and variance, it may never be 100% accurate. Of course, if you played an infinite amount of games, then the actual RTP would be smack on the theoretical RTP. But even after 4bn games, if the RTP says 96.04, it could actually be 96.03 that the game is running at due to variance and fluctuation.
 

danofthewibble

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No it isn't. The amount if people playing has no influence on anything.

RTP is based on the overall game across a site(s) depending on how many sites an operator runs. Your own personal RTP is irrelevant statistically...
That's what I mean- you could be playing terribly, but the game is still playing at it's designed RTP overall.
 

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Yes, surely for a slot to hit the rtp one man’s loss must be another’s gain, no?
 

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The only words of advice in terms of Bonanza playing is manage expectations: I've hardly touched it the last month or so but the 3 times i have I've walked out 500 quid up plus in the 3 sessions: it's tempting to play it again but i know it'll just sook it back, so, as boring as it sounds I've put the money towards my new kitchen (must be getting old).

It's not a HV game IMO but it is a very good slot for, if you catch it, maybe walking out 500x profit.

Mrs P's being bashing away at it (oh Matron) and she's been getting some real shitters: last sesh was 7 GOLDS in about 250 spins: 13,43,56,124,18 and some other low numbers. Some had 22 spins in there for good measure.

In many ways i don't see it as any different to some other games - you need to know when to stop, simple. I remember losing about a grand in a day ages ago playing Secret of the Stones - all because i got wild reels 2 and 4 and ended up a few k up the week before: just cos i lost discipline; if you're lumping 50 after 50 at Bonanza you're going to end up on the floor most times. Hard to do when the fuckers Gol'ing right enough - becomes a war of attrition
 

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The only words of advice in terms of Bonanza playing is manage expectations: I've hardly touched it the last month or so but the 3 times i have I've walked out 500 quid up plus in the 3 sessions: it's tempting to play it again but i know it'll just sook it back, so, as boring as it sounds I've put the money towards my new kitchen (must be getting old).

It's not a HV game IMO but it is a very good slot for, if you catch it, maybe walking out 500x profit.

Mrs P's being bashing away at it (oh Matron) and she's been getting some real shitters: last sesh was 7 GOLDS in about 250 spins: 13,43,56,124,18 and some other low numbers. Some had 22 spins in there for good measure.

In many ways i don't see it as any different to some other games - you need to know when to stop, simple. I remember losing about a grand in a day ages ago playing Secret of the Stones - all because i got wild reels 2 and 4 and ended up a few k up the week before: just cos i lost discipline; if you're lumping 50 after 50 at Bonanza you're going to end up on the floor most times. Hard to do when the fuckers Gol'ing right enough - becomes a war of attrition
7 golds in 250ish spins is freaking amazing tho.
 

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7 golds in 250ish spins is freaking amazing tho.
Yeah, not quite on a par with my 3 in a row in Leo Vegas though....she's been getting loads of them, one of those weeks where every heart stopper has a D - shame they've been mainly poor though - u always think 'that's 5 in a row that are crap, there can't be another one'

There can be

There can be another 50 in a row like that
 

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Yeah, not quite on a par with my 3 in a row in Leo Vegas though....she's been getting loads of them, one of those weeks where every heart stopper has a D - shame they've been mainly poor though - u always think 'that's 5 in a row that are crap, there can't be another one'

There can be

There can be another 50 in a row like that
As a seasoned Doa player i know a thing or two about getting many crappy bonuses in a row. :p
 

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Discipline, that is the main element you need. Took me a lifetime to achieve any at all and I will never perfect it, that’s for sure but I am 85% of the way there.
 

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