Best MG game for WR playthrough?

So I went bust in between 12x and 13x of the WR. Managed to squeeze $1,640 in bets out of the $130. I guess that's the whole point of bonuses, to have outrageous WR to ensure that the player's deposit will be lost in its entirety. :rolleyes:

I was having fairly decent luck at breaking even, until I played these:

Isis - Got the feature after 150 spins, for a whopping $13.00; overall return 64%
Harveys - 250 spins and no feature; overall return 60%
International Casino Games - 100 spins, overall return 28.67% can you say shitty?
Thunderstruck - 50 spins, overall return 29.33%
Avalon - 173 spins, no feature, 65% return

What's up with these games lately?? I can understand that for Thunderstruck, my 50 spins was not a very large sample. But 100+ spins on any game ought to have a better payback than 28% to 65%. :mad:

Just curious..thanks for the great thread by the way....how many lines of Isis did you play? I love that game. Im new to it.
I too have played war to reduce wr..Ive never cashed out..but..I can increase my bankroll to play more slots..(Ie- start with 20.00 increase to 40.00 then play slots. )which..after reading all the great info here..I am playing wrong! :)
 
Instacash

I believe if you use the InstaCash option in the casino cashier instead of on Netellers site, the casino pays the fees. Of course,not all casinos allow this but it's worth checking into.
DUH! While I was posting this,five others responded the same. LMAO !
 
What is everyone's favorite Microgaming game for playing through wagering requirements? I deposited $50 and got $80 bonus; WR is 20x = $2,600. Currently I have wagered 5x and I am up by $20.

I would really like to not go bust (wouldn't we all). What games do you all play to try to get through ridiculous wagering requirements? And do you use AutoPlay to help you do it? Please feel free to suggest any game, as I will check my T&C before attempting to play anything which might be excluded.

Thanks in advance!

French Roulette -- It has a 1.35% house advantage, which is lower than casino war, 3 card poker, and other common playthrough choices. In casinos where it counts 50% or 67% towards 30x wagering requirements, the player is expected to retain a portion of the bonus. Standard deviation is a low ~1 on even money bets. Standard deviation is only 0.08, when betting on both red and black. I have never had a MG casino decline winnings when betting on both red and black. Nevertheless, I wouldn't do this after a big win, giving them a reason to not pay.
 
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Wagering

Casinos have banned most of the good games for WR. I ran an experiment on 50 line Jacks or Better, and found that is is not that good at beating the wager requirement. The problem is that the lower variance of 50 lines has a sting in the tail, and that is a far lower likelihood of getting the big pat deals on that all important starting hand in order to hold over on all 50 hands. For a very long experimental run a while back I tested the game on a pretty severe bonus, 10% match with a WR of 10x D+B.
To cash out I would have to wager 11,000 on the allowed games. Blackjack and all the usuals were not allowed, not even casino war. Video Poker was OK though. This bonus ran for 60days, and was a free 100 per day for 1000 deposited. Theoretically, this loked like the proverbial free lunch! 99.54% seemed to indicate an easy 3K over 2 months. Experiments beforehand at a play account showed otherwise, even over a simulation of 30 days of doing the bonus. It was certainly profitable, but nowhere near 99.54%
60 consecutive days of $2.5 autoplay JorB might have been noticed too!
I made nothing from this bonus, as I ended up playing "properly" and taking part in the other promotions that ran alongside, mostly involving slots.

Where slots are the order of the day for a WR, I do have a few that I use. These are the 3 reel slots with the 800/1600 jackpots for one or two coins, such as Double Magic. Sonic Boom is also good, as it can be played at even lower coins than Double Magic at most places. Better still, if you can find it, is Carnaval and What a Hoot allowing a 1c coin per line rather than 25c. Play of 5c per line on these (45c per spin), seems to keep you going for ages at times, and at others a stop at around $25 or $50 (depending on bankroll), should be set and play resumed on the "other one".
The 3 reel slots can also eat through WR if they are hitting well, as the balance stays around the same for quite a time. Sometimes though, they will just suck away and it is important to use a modest stop on the autoplay and try another similar slot (they can't ALL suck surely :D ).

For the chance of a decent hit, but not too much damage, Ladies Nite at no more than 72c per spin can occasionally produce something really big in the bonus round, and in terms of stake to payout I get the feeling that such low stakes produce better big hits than stakes above around $2 per spin.
I will put Ladies Nite on 54c or 72c per spin, and a $50 range on autoplay. If I win $50, I repeat the process, but cut the range sometimes to $25. If I lose the $25 I move to another slot, such as Thunderstruck, and repeat the process. For low bankrolls, halve these figures, 36c and $25 range on Ladies Nite, cutting to $10 range on the win to see if still "hot".
Chopping and changing like this always seems to keep my balance going longer than flogging away at a "random" game that really has it in for me that session.
I have recently tried something else, and it seems to have a slight effect. If I get, say, a run of totally crap spins at Ladies Nite, I change the coin denomination and number of coins to arrive at a similar bet and around half the time the slot seems to have a change of heart and starts hitting every other spin. Occasionally, this seems to set it up to give the bonus round, but quality varies. If several coin changes does not make a difference, I try another game.
On the rare occasions that I can avoid the temptation to play a card game to get the WR over with so I can cash-in and play elsewhere (counts 50% but over with a lot faster if playing to expected return), I seem to do fairly well. I am sure the software can detect when I have lost the will to chip away at low bets, and goes for the kill, thus leading me down chase alley:mad:

Hey, I can just see it now, the usual story on 3 Card Poker (counts 50%, or even in full).

ME Dealer
Q High - K High
No hand - No hand
Ace Queen - Ace King
Pair of Q - Flush
Bugger all - Straight
Bugger all - Pair
Pair - Straight
Flush - Straight
Pair - Straight Flush
Pair - Bugger all
Straight - Bugger all
Pair - 3 of a Kind
Flush - Straight

Computer retires to garden via second floor window, utterances under breath about non random b*****d casino software.

Retrieve PC, and play for fun with FUN MONEY

Me Dealer
Pair - K high
Straight - Q high
Flush - 10 High
3 of kind - Pair
Bugger all - Flush
Straight Flush - Pair
Straight - Flush
Flush - Pair

Random? My a***

Return to the relative safety of high paying slots and win 20% of it back.

Quit playing online (till after the weekend anyway).
 
Thanks to everyone for reviving this thread!

Regarding those who were asking me about why I paid the InstaCash fee... back when I started this thread I had mentioned that it was my first NETeller transaction because I had just signed up and verified my bank account.

The casino I deposited to at that time did cover the InstaCash fee, but I could not use InstaCash through the casino software because it was my first NETeller transaction and I kept getting an error message saying that there was a problem trying to process it. Instead I had to login to NETeller's site to deposit money (and, subsequently, pay the 8.9% fee), and then they put a hold on my account until they could call me and verify my information.

Believe me - I have been letting the casinos pick up the tab for the 8.9% fee ever since then! :thumbsup:

As far as wagering - if the casino offers Chief's Magic, that's a great 3-reel slot for grinding out WR. The thing I like about it is that there are no freaking blank stops on the reels - nothing's more aggravating than spinning and seeing a blank on the first reel. Even if it's one of those games where 3 blanks pays back 1x or 2x your bet - it's still depressing because you know immediately that you didn't win jack!
 
Casinos have banned most of the good games for WR. I ran an experiment on 50 line Jacks or Better, and found that is is not that good at beating the wager requirement. The problem is that the lower variance of 50 lines has a sting in the tail, and that is a far lower likelihood of getting the big pat deals on that all important starting hand in order to hold over on all 50 hands. For a very long experimental run a while back I tested the game on a pretty severe bonus, 10% match with a WR of 10x D+B.

I do not agree with this. There is still variance yes, but it does not depend
that much on getting the pat ST or RF. If there is 10-hands JoB at 0.01$ (Roxy has that at the moment) this is of course better and has even lower variance.

I made a VP simulator program to test situations like yours. Change
the parameters and try run the simulator 10 times and see the result:
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/vp-job-multi-line-simulator.13725/

Zoozie
 

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