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Looks like Fortune Lounge made the correct decision then, 1500 euro's is a fair chunk of change to lose out on if you have a valid complaint.

I think the business regarding the Irregular Play term should be discussed in another thread. I'm now on the fence with that and can see both sides of the argument but at the end of the day Fortune Lounge can include any term they want and the player has the choice of whether to accept it or not. I'm not so sure it is a vague term having thought about it, the word substantial is pretty clear to me and their intention in including it is as well. It's all subjective I guess :)

Not if they want to be in the accredited list. They have to follow rules like everyone else.

Unless Bryan is going to add "unless they are bonus terms" to the rule regarding vague terms.
 
I've received an official warning from Casinomeister. Isn't it strange? I come here with all the details about casino taking my money,the casino is silent and I am the one who is punished with warning. After this what should I expect from pitch a bitch? I've read several other threads here involving Fortune Lounge casinos. Look at that thread about woman from Portugal several months ago, for example. It looks these casinos are the "sacred cows" of this website.
Anyway I will make PAB but I don't believe it will receive a fair treatment. Call me a pessimist but I base this claim solely on the facts.
 
I've received an official warning from Casinomeister. Isn't it strange? I come here with all the details about casino taking my money,the casino is silent and I am the one who is punished with warning. After this what should I expect from pitch a bitch? I've read several other threads here involving Fortune Lounge casinos. Look at that thread about woman from Portugal several months ago, for example. It looks these casinos are the "sacred cows" of this website.
Anyway I will make PAB but I don't believe it will receive a fair treatment. Call me a pessimist but I base this claim solely on the facts.

So what was the warning for? The casinomeister does not issue warnings without a valid reason. The casinos are not the 'sacred cows' as you say. Don't make it seem you are the 'sacrificial lamb'. You refused to Pitch a Bitch which is the recourse for aggrieved players and now you claim you have shown us the facts and want us to believe you. You are, in my personal view, having something to hide. Many others have used the PAB service and gotten back their rightful winnings, amounts which are much more than your 1500 Euros. You just claim you are the victim but wont give the PAB service a chance. Get lost you fake.
 
Anyway I will make PAB but I don't believe it will receive a fair treatment. Call me a pessimist but I base this claim solely on the facts.
CasinoMeister has been sorting out player problems for over 15 years - and he is the best there is at it.
You WILL get fair treatment - but so will the casino. He doesn't "take sides".

Personally I think you have a valid complaint, and I hope the PAB goes in your favour.
(As long as there not some "dodgy" goings on you haven't disclosed).

KK
 
I've received an official warning from Casinomeister. Isn't it strange? I come here with all the details about casino taking my money,the casino is silent and I am the one who is punished with warning. After this what should I expect from pitch a bitch? I've read several other threads here involving Fortune Lounge casinos. Look at that thread about woman from Portugal several months ago, for example. It looks these casinos are the "sacred cows" of this website.
Anyway I will make PAB but I don't believe it will receive a fair treatment. Call me a pessimist but I base this claim solely on the facts.

For the record, here was your official warning (infraction):

Hi Beravek7,

You have been asked several times to submit a formal complaint concerning your complaint. Failure to follow administrative requests is against our policies.

Sincerely,

Bryan

I've PMd you no less than twice, and have asked you publicly three or more times. These are administrative requests - these are not options. As a member, you do not have the liberty to ignore requests from moderators or the administrator (me). Failure to obey our requests will affect your account in a negative way.

Now you've taken the "troll" route - attacks ad hominem - lowering yourself to slinging around insults. I've been relatively courteous, and will ignore your last little tantrum. But I'm drawing the line here; either you submit a PAB or take a hike.
 
I've received an official warning from Casinomeister. Isn't it strange? I come here with all the details about casino taking my money,the casino is silent and I am the one who is punished with warning. After this what should I expect from pitch a bitch? I've read several other threads here involving Fortune Lounge casinos. Look at that thread about woman from Portugal several months ago, for example. It looks these casinos are the "sacred cows" of this website.
Anyway I will make PAB but I don't believe it will receive a fair treatment. Call me a pessimist but I base this claim solely on the facts.

Do you expect that simply by posting an uncorroborated whinge on here that suddenly the casino will accede to your demand to be paid?? Or do you think that merely by accepting your story at face value, that we will all be marching to Fortune Lounge with the torches and pitchforks?
Several members here have taken the time to answer your post whether they support you or not. Unfortunately we the members are not instrumental to your complaint.
You need to PAB - the process is fair, it is done behind the scenes and information is provided to Max in confidence by both parties - the only risk is that if you are found to be misleading the PAB or hiding information the result (but NO personal details or confidential information) will posted for us all to see and you will be banned.
The PAB process in the last year (if I remember correctly) has resulted in over 70 players WINNING their PAB and being paid, and has also exposed many fraudsters and liars.
If you are confident in the integrity of your complaint for pity's sake PAB and stop posting here because the thread has just about been exhausted now. Otherwise I think Bryan will probably close it as a waste of bandwidth.....
 
Think this is about the first time in this thread I agree with everything dunover just posted , my reply is 107th in a long list in a debate that is going absolutely nowhere , remember ive posted that if you are telling the truth I feel casinos out of order but until you actually PAB then my opinions a waste of time like everyone elses , if indeed they took so much money of you then you know how to get it back and if you are speaking the truth then please just PAB as surely you want the money ????? , you do realise that fact you are not submitting a PAB is making anyone that felt you have a case now change their minds and believe you are yet another chancer and troublemaker. Its your call .
 
I've received an official warning from Casinomeister. Isn't it strange? I come here with all the details about casino taking my money,the casino is silent and I am the one who is punished with warning. After this what should I expect from pitch a bitch? I've read several other threads here involving Fortune Lounge casinos. Look at that thread about woman from Portugal several months ago, for example. It looks these casinos are the "sacred cows" of this website.
Anyway I will make PAB but I don't believe it will receive a fair treatment. Call me a pessimist but I base this claim solely on the facts.

Bravek7 be smart and follow your interests. I suggest you to keep your calm and follow the procedure.

The casino representative has nothing to say on this topic ?
 
Bravek7 be smart and follow your interests. I suggest you to keep your calm and follow the procedure.

The casino representative has nothing to say on this topic ?

Why should he? At the moment we have an unsubstantiated allegation, and the rep. is only obliged to reply privately to the OP via PM or a PAB, which as of yet has not been initiated unless we hear otherwise. He may also be party to information which he cannot post in public.
THAT IS WHY THE PAB NEEDS ACTIONING BY THE OP FOR PITY'S SAKE!!
 
Because public relations (PR) are very important to mantain a good image of a large company and the confiscated amounts will not cover the deficit caused by a bad image.

It is their interest to be here.

How do you know? That statement must be based on the opinion the OP deserves to be paid or that he is entirely innocent. We don't know if that's the case as of yet. CM members that have played FL know they don't have a bad image anyway.
As for the first part of your post "the amounts won't cover the deficit caused by a bad image" - so you think that the forum can be used as a tool so that simply by posting, every fraudster/AP/rule breaker can blackmail with 'bad publicity' the casino into paying them?

Not how it works my friend.
 
Because public relations (PR) are very important to mantain a good image of a large company and the confiscated amounts will not cover the deficit caused by a bad image.

It is their interest to be here.

And you think publicly arguing with a player about whether or not he should be paid would be better? Maybe the casino is in the wrong. Who knows? But the OP knows the route to take if he wants help and the longer he refuses to take it the more it looks like they're not.

The casino has already made their decision. The decision was already given to the player with their explanation. How helpful do you think it would be for a casino rep to jump in the middle of a thread with 185 people debating this decision only to repeat it ad nauseam. The posts in this thread are not going to change it. The rep is not going to change it. This has to be done in private and it appears the OP has no desire to start that process.

We have discussed this casino group's T&Cs before and the fairness of these terms are still open to debate. But the casino is in the accredited list and this forum has specific procedures that need to be followed when disputing a decision made by an accredited casino. Arguing with the rep in public is not part of those procedures.

If the OP feels he made an honest effort to stay within the casino's vague terms and it is simply the casino's opinion that he has not then he has a strong case and could well get his money, deposit and winnings. But the chances of that happening are rapidly coming to a close and this thread will soon become old and tiresome and when this thread dies the painful death these threads usually do his chances of getting paid will die with it.

If the OP wants to get paid he has to start the PAB process. As for the casino's T&Cs, that's an entirely different story. Maybe it's time someone defined the word "vague" so we can stop debating what constitutes a vague term and using our opinions to decide what we feel adheres to the accredited list's rules and regulations.

In regards to wagering a vague term is a term that does not specifically declare a maximum bet, a range between maximum and minimum bets or a specific list of games allowed.
 
CM members that have played FL know they don't have a bad image anyway.

I don't want to comment on this subject.

so you think that the forum can be used as a tool so that simply by posting, every fraudster/**/rule breaker can blackmail with 'bad publicity' the casino into paying them?

I see a very big mistake, you put in the same category an advantage player with a fraudster. Try to make a difference between these notions.

Regarding your question I think that a horde of fustrated rule breakers or fraudsters (by the way is a very strange terminology) can affect the image of a casino.

Hypothetically speaking a new player wants to open a new account at FL, but before doing this he makes some searches and see that are a lot of topics about possble problems with this group, do you think that he stay to read many pages to see if FL took the right decision or not ?

I think that casinos can avoid this type of events using a cheap tool named communication.
 
Hypothetically speaking a new player wants to open a new account at FL, but before doing this he makes some searches and see that are a lot of topics about possble problems with this group, do you think that he stay to read many pages to see if FL took the right decision or not ?

These are the people who read the first 2 paragraphs of a Wikipedia page and then write an essay.

If people are going to accept the first few pages they come across in a Google search as the gospel truth, having a rep join in this conversation isn't really going to change much.

If people want to benefit from any information found online, first they have to decide if they trust the information and it's source. That requires researching other sources and researching the sources themselves.

If I believed the first few pages that I found in a Google search, I would believe that the Earth was 6000 years old, Elvis was still alive and Hillary Clinton was a lizard woman. Obviously most of these things are simply not true.
 
If people want to benefit from any information found online, first they have to decide if they trust the information and it's source. That requires researching other sources and researching the sources themselves.

I only see a AP doing this type of researching. Judging a gambler profile he is a very impulsive person and I don't think that he have the patience to make to much effort. I think that at the subconscious level a gambler can easily associate that is not good to play at one casino just seeing a large number of topics where are discussed problems with that casino. For him is a common sense decision to try his luck in other places.


If I believed the first few pages that I found in a Google search, I would believe that the Earth was 6000 years old, Elvis was still alive and Hillary Clinton was a lizard woman. Obviously most of these things are simply not true.

This example....
 
I only see a AP doing this type of researching. Judging a gambler profile he is a very impulsive person and I don't think that he have the patience to make to much effort. I think that at the subconscious level a gambler can easily associate that is not good to play at one casino just seeing a large number of topics where are discussed problems with that casino. For him is a common sense decision to try his luck in other places.




This example....

Well, if the advantage player is doing this kind of research, all he's going to find out from this thread is that the OP hasn't been paid. Now he knows.

As for the average player, doing a few quick searches might find stories about a casino that hasn't been paid by this casino because a player broke the terms and conditions of a bonus. If a player is unwilling to join a casino because the casino doesn't allow people to break the terms and conditions, the casino probably doesn't want that player's business anyway.

The only bad PR the casino will get from this will be toward people who follow the accredited list as a standard for casinos they are willing to play at but disagree that this casino's terms meet those accredited standards.

Nothing anyone says here will help players who roam around the internet believing everything they read.
 
Well, if the advantage player is doing this kind of research, all he's going to find out from this thread is that the OP hasn't been paid. Now he knows.

Is the second time on this topic when a person consider that advantage players are some bad elements which must not be paid. I belive that as long an AP respect the casino terms he must be paid. Casinos have on their side T&C and software bets limitations (seen only at RedFlush Grup and Vegas Partner Lounge) and enough tools to protect themselves without making abuse. Even if they abuse an AP is still an abuse and in my opinion a reliable company must to have a perfect image.

An advantage player will not risk breaching the T&C because he will know that the casino will not pay his possible winnings. I also consider that a lot of casinos have unclear terms and even a gambler can be punishable and in this way you have a confusing mix of complaints for which Max have to work very hard :)

Nothing anyone says here will help players who roam around the internet believing everything they read.

I am partially agree with you. In the same time I belive that a potential customer can be influenced by what he see here even if he see only a topic name or an increased frequency of possbile issues.
 
Is the second time on this topic when a person consider that advantage players are some bad elements which must not be paid. I belive that as long an AP respect the casino terms he must be paid. Casinos have on their side T&C and software bets limitations (seen only at RedFlush Grup and Vegas Partner Lounge) and enough tools to protect themselves without making abuse. Even if they abuse an AP is still an abuse and in my opinion a reliable company must to have a perfect image.

An advantage player will not risk breaching the T&C because he will know that the casino will not pay his possible winnings. I also consider that a lot of casinos have unclear terms and even a gambler can be punishable and in this way you have a confusing mix of complaints for which Max have to work very hard :)



I am partially agree with you. In the same time I belive that a potential customer can be influenced by what he see here even if he see only a topic name or an increased frequency of possbile issues.

I never said advantage players were good or bad. I also never said they shouldn't be paid. As long as they stay within the terms and conditions they have to be paid.

But it seems we'll never know in this particular case if the OP wasn't paid strictly for advantage play.
 
Is the second time on this topic when a person consider that advantage players are some bad elements which must not be paid. I belive that as long an AP respect the casino terms he must be paid. Casinos have on their side T&C and software bets limitations (seen only at RedFlush Grup and Vegas Partner Lounge) and enough tools to protect themselves without making abuse. Even if they abuse an AP is still an abuse and in my opinion a reliable company must to have a perfect image.

An advantage player will not risk breaching the T&C because he will know that the casino will not pay his possible winnings. I also consider that a lot of casinos have unclear terms and even a gambler can be punishable and in this way you have a confusing mix of complaints for which Max have to work very hard :)



I am partially agree with you. In the same time I belive that a potential customer can be influenced by what he see here even if he see only a topic name or an increased frequency of possbile issues.

I think you are getting mixed up here. Were the OP's story entirely true many members would have sided with him and called on the casino to pay up and at least to return the deposit. Wim's explanation in the opening post was hardly convincing. Hence almost everyone agreed that the OP should Pitch a Bitch so that MaxD could look into it. I and a host of others were surprised that the OP didn't do so given on paper he had a strong case. What is worse, he said he will PAB he didn't feel he will get fair treatment which is kind of an insult to Max and Bryan. I have my doubts on the facts presented by the OP.
 
What is worse, he said he will PAB he didn't feel he will get fair treatment which is kind of an insult to Max and Bryan.

Given that this comunity reviewed casinos with a questionable past and in the accredited list are casinos with interpretable terms this lack of confidence should not be seen necessarily as a insult. The lack of confidence could be just a natural reaction.

Anway if he does not trust CasinoMeister he probably would not be here asking for help.
 
FTR no PAB has been received from the OP.
 
Anway if he does not trust CasinoMeister he probably would not be here asking for help.

And on the same token, if he doesn't trust Bryan maybe he shouldn't be accepting the hospitality of a person he doesn't trust and using his forum to soapbox an issue he never really wanted resolved in the first place.
 
May I ask Bryan, what is your take on the term? Vague or not. I think your opinion would be very welcome.

My personal feeling is that they should be more specific. Other casino groups are able to do this; Fortune Lounge should be able to observe what their peers are doing and apply the same sort of term (for instance, BetAtCasino's are pretty specific). It would really be beneficial to everyone in the long term.

Back to the OP. He's got 12 hours to follow through with his PAB submission. If not, it will be treated as a frivolous complaint.
 
if he doesn't trust Bryan maybe he shouldn't be accepting the hospitality of a person he doesn't trust and using his forum (community forum ?) to soapbox an issue he never really wanted resolved in the first place.

What about my feelings I was one of his few supporters, nobody carese ?

Does anyone know since when this term was added ?
 
What about my feelings I was one of his few supporters, nobody carese ?

Does anyone know since when this term was added ?

He could have support from every member and moderator in the entire forum and it will make no difference because he refuses to PAB.
 

Yes, but apparently you did not read the FAQ as requested and so your PAB is incomplete. I'll be contacting you ASAP to complete the PAB form as requested. PLEASE do read that FAQ! There's a link to it in my sig.
 
Yes, but apparently you did not read the FAQ as requested and so your PAB is incomplete. I'll be contacting you ASAP to complete the PAB form as requested. PLEASE do read that FAQ! There's a link to it in my sig.

is it because I referred to this thread as an explanation of what have happened?
 
is it because I referred to this thread as an explanation of what have happened?

This conversation should be conducted via email, please check yours.
 
Because public relations (PR) are very important to mantain a good image of a large company and the confiscated amounts will not cover the deficit caused by a bad image.

It is their interest to be here.

If the OP had Pitched a Bitch Max would have looked into the issue. He might summarize the facts and state that the PAB failed which would generate positive PR for FL. Much better than than Wim simply accusing the OP of this and that and vice versa.
 
The only news I can share at this point is that (a) the casino has good evidence that the player is "non recreational" and (b) the player is therefore in violation of the casino's Terms. Those are the basic facts and they weigh heavily against the player, for better or worse.

We are discussing the sustainability of these anti-AP terms but that isn't going to change things re this particular case, certainly not soon enough to make much difference to this player. And that's pretty much all I'm prepared to say on the subject at this time.
 
This is what I predicted when I refused to make pitch a bitch.
Weeks of waiting and then...non-recreational player. And what does it mean?
Am i suppose to lose all my money to be called a recreational player?
And what allows the casino TO STEAL my DEPOSIT? Not even my fully deserved winnings but my own
150 euro I deposited at Fortune room. What gives the right to this casino to take the money from me?
I feel as if somebody has stopped me on the street and robbed me out of my pocket money.
The only difference is that in real world I would go to police and the person who robbed me would go to the prison.
Here I have nothing to do- nowhere to complaint. Nobody will help me to get the justice. And those
who PRETEND they can help- they are a part of criminal activity. They will tell you it was your fault to go that place
at that time of the day, that the people who robbed me did that because I had a wrong look at them, that I actually
offended them. At the end they will tell me that I am the one who is guilty in all the situation. Nobody will ever give me my money back!
I think I will never ever play at any online casino again. Adios!
 
A non-recreational player seems a very broad term to take someone's winnings. It's hard without knowing all of the facts but even professional casino players cannot win long term, the casino already has the house edge, how much more does it need?
 
This is what I predicted when I refused to make pitch a bitch.
Weeks of waiting and then...non-recreational player. And what does it mean?

It means that (1) you didn't read my post above because if you had you'd have seen that I don't much like the "non recreational" Terms either and (2) you are talking out of your arse. The records clearly show that you went from casino to casino within that group and methodically used the same advantage play tricks on each of them, consecutively! Look at your play at any one of those casinos, except maybe the one account you didn't leave dormant when you were done, and you'll have a fine definition of a "non recreational" player.

Whatever we may think of those Terms -- and I think I've made it quite clear that we don't like them -- the point is that you agreed to them and are then bound by them. If you don't like their Terms -- and there is no reason you should -- then don't play there. But if you sign on, lay down your money, and take the goodies they offer then you are in the boat with them and their Terms, for better or worse. Too late to say you'd rather walk once the ship has sailed.

Besides, this is semantics. You knew exactly what you were doing when you worked your way through those casinos and your only real beef is that they nailed you for Terms violations. Tough noogies fella: you bought the ticket, you took the ride. Don't moan about the fact that your little plan went to crap part way through.

And while we are at it consider yourself PAB-banned: you've tried to AP the casinos, effectively lied about it, and then wasted my time fighting your BS battles for you. THEN you come on here to distort the truth further AND call us dirt-bags for trying to help you. To hell with you, you can fight your own casino battles in the future.
 
... Nobody will help me to get the justice. And those
who PRETEND they can help- they are a part of criminal activity. They will tell you it was your fault to go that place
at that time of the day, that the people who robbed me did that because I had a wrong look at them, that I actually
offended them...

Either you are a very stupid person, you are delusional, or both. Max has made it clear - and I have as well at some point - that these terms aren't good. But instead of taking the 3 minutes it would have taken to read our comments, you decide to proceed in some moronic rant. :rolleyes:

It means that (1) you didn't read my post above because if you had you'd have seen that I don't much like the "non recreational" Terms either and (2) you are talking out of your arse. The records clearly show that you went from casino to casino within that group and methodically used the same advantage play tricks on each of them, consecutively! Look at your play at any one of those casinos, except maybe the one account you didn't leave dormant when you were done, and you'll have a fine definition of a "non recreational" player.

Whatever we may think of those Terms -- and I think I've made it quite clear that we don't like them -- the point is that you agreed to them and are then bound by them. If you don't like their Terms -- and there is no reason you should -- then don't play there. But if you sign on, lay down your money, and take the goodies they offer then you are in the boat with them and their Terms, for better or worse. Too late to say you'd rather walk once the ship has sailed.

Besides, this is semantics. You knew exactly what you were doing when you worked your way through those casinos and your only real beef is that they nailed you for Terms violations. Tough noogies fella: you bought the ticket, you took the ride. Don't moan about the fact that your little plan went to crap part way through.

And while we are at it consider yourself PAB-banned: you've tried to AP the casinos, effectively lied about it, and then wasted my time fighting your BS battles for you. THEN you come on here to distort the truth further AND call us dirt-bags for trying to help you. To hell with you, you can fight your own casino battles in the future.

I couldn't have said it better myself. <snip>
 
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Whatever we may think of those Terms -- and I think I've made it quite clear that we don't like them

I couldn't have said it better myself. SNIP...Bryan removed a comment I quoted... :D

Max has made it clear - and I have as well at some point - that these terms aren't good. But instead of taking the 3 minutes it would have taken to read our comments, you decide to proceed in some moronic rant. :rolleyes:

Can you two then please, in the near future, make sure that Casinomeister's standards for accreditation are more precise? I don't call FL dodgy, but they are infact creating win-win situations for themselves when they attract AP's and the terms are fuzzy. As I wrote to Wim in my first post in the thread start:

3.18€ bets is not considered low in any meaning at all compared to 10€ bets. To me, the reduction from 10€ to 3.18€ is fair and if this is your explanation for confiscation the dep. and winnings you really have showed us that your T&C:s are FU-clauses.

There is a gap between CM's standards for accreditation and FL groups T&C's according to me.
 
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Is it me or does anyone else note that when FL close any account, they tell the customer one thing. In this case, 30% bets etc etc

Then, when a PAB is placed, a whole knew argument is presented.

IMO, if you dont like the Terms Max and CM, tell them to change them (Clarify) or take them of the Accredited list until they fall in line.
 
What a surprise - as I predicted, another multi-accounting bonus abuser/AP.
This why FL and others have these terms.

No point in throwing your toys out OP - you were spotted, and have realized that there is no free ride in casino-land.

Move along.....
 
What a surprise - as I predicted, another multi-accounting bonus abuser/AP.
This why FL and others have these terms.

No point in throwing your toys out OP - you were spotted, and have realized that there is no free ride in casino-land.

Move along.....

Wheres it say he was a multi accounter. Says he opened with more than one casino in the group. If thats against the T&Cs (I dont know as I dont play FL) then why cant their software stop this? Casino Rewards for all their problems, you open one account in the group and the rest of the casinos become off limits so it must be possible.
 
Wheres it say he was a multi accounter. Says he opened with more than one casino in the group. If thats against the T&Cs (I dont know as I dont play FL) then why cant their software stop this? Casino Rewards for all their problems, you open one account in the group and the rest of the casinos become off limits so it must be possible.

No, it's not against their rules to have accounts at more than one of their properties, and when I played with FL you could even take the bonus on more than one providing that you didn't do more than 2 per week. This has subsequently changed I believe. When I did it I played slots, and didn't play table games on a low-risk AP strategy so I was OK. Unfortunately for the OP he was caught AP-ing at more than one site by the sound of what Max stated.
As for Casino Rewards, I wouldn't know as I refuse to ever deposit a penny with them due to their appalling affiliate spamming.
 
Wheres it say he was a multi accounter. Says he opened with more than one casino in the group. If thats against the T&Cs (I dont know as I dont play FL) then why cant their software stop this? Casino Rewards for all their problems, you open one account in the group and the rest of the casinos become off limits so it must be possible.
That is not true (about Casino Rewards) - you can have accounts at all their casinos if you like.
The only rule they have to deter "advantage players" is that you must make at least one non-bonus deposit between any 2 deposits where you do claim a bonus (across the whole group).

KK
 
Can you two then please, in the near future, make sure that Casinomeister's standards for accreditation are more precise? I don't call FL dodgy, but they are infact creating win-win situations for themselves when they attract AP's and the terms are fuzzy. As I wrote to Wim in my first post in the thread start:



There is a gap between CM's standards for accreditation and FL groups T&C's according to me.

Any AP who thinks its good to bet large and then decrease bankroll spins is stupid and needs his deposit confiscated for stupidiity

At least he didnt try and grind it out on blackjack and come here complaining about bonus weightings lol
 
Maybe it's time someone had a little sit down with the promotions department at FL and ask if they're intentionally attracting this type of player. There seems to be a pattern forming with bonus hunters who methodically take these bonuses and then use their own system to beat the wage requirements. I'm not sure if FL is simply not smart enough to create a bonus system that deters this type of player or if they have intentionally created a bonus system that attracts them and then catches them in the T&C net they set up.

If the latter is true then they are abusing the system and benefits of accreditation. That list is not only supposed to be a marker for casinos that maintain a certain level of standards but also uses Bryan's reputation and the reputation of the Casinmeister website as a recommendation.

If FL is catching what they deem to be advantage players within a system of terms and conditions that were intentionally written to attract them knowing the PAB system will work in their favor provided they can prove their vague terms have been broken, then Bryan and Max are just pawns in this game they're playing. It's not what the system was created for.

Now this may not be the case. As I said, this casino group simply may not be capable of creating a bonus system that doesn't attract this type of player but it does seem to be an ongoing problem. If this is going to continue to be a problem then maybe it's time someone told this casino to find a better solution. A solution that doesn't involve Bryan and Max trying to choose between defending a type of player they obviously don't like and a set of terms and conditions that are obviously attracting them.

There is no endless supply of time and resources and these terms and conditions are using up more than their share of them.
 

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