vinylweatherman
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They seem to be resting their case on the definition of "recreational player", rather than any specific terms violation regarding the manner of play. The problem is that "recreational" can mean widely different things to different people. Some people think that climbing the tallest buildings they can find without safety equipment is "recreational", whereas others feel it's a sign they need to be sectioned under the mental health act.
An advantage player may also be playing "recreationally" as far as he is concerned, getting his buzz from trying to beat odds that are designed to beat the house. It's the same kind of recreation that urges people to spend years trying to perfect the ultimate "Roulette system" and making a name for themselves for beating nature itself.
All the casino have demonstrated is that the OP is an advantage player, not that he is "non recreational". It seems that the mere act of "trying one's best to win" is enough to be deemed non recreational.
For all they know, this player may be pretty new to the scene, and simply following a strategy they found on an affiliate site that also earns money from sending players to the casino. One does not need experience of advantage play in order to follow the kind of detailed recipes I have seen posted on some such sites. The affiliate programs are perfectly happy for the casinos to be marketed in this manner, if they weren't, such sites would either die out, or they would have to be subscription based as they would not earn commission for recommending specific casinos.
What is FAR worse is that the casino have confiscated the DEPOSIT, as well as the winnings. This is what surely crosses the line given that this is not a case of fraud, but merely a case of a dispute over the meaning of a non specific term regarding what constitutes "recreational play".
Where do I fit in?
Given that I have been playing since 2005, and have 9 years experience along with some monster non progressive hits, does this now make me "non recreational". It could be an important question as if I am deemed "non recreational" by any given casino after I have made a nice hit, I could find the lot confiscated with little recourse.
If such terms are to be used in the industry, then players and casinos need to operate to clear guidelines as to what constitutes a "recreational player". I would also argue that anyone who works in the industry at a high enough level to be aware of "inside knowledge" as to the inner workings of online casinos can never be a "recreational player" at ANY online casino, yet they are only barred from playing at sites operated by their employer.
It also negates the advice to "always read the terms". This is no good where terms are not precise, with some leeway with regard to the definition of some criteria. It also looks like the action taken was results driven, rather than driven by the actions of the player. This is pretty much a "tails we win, heads you lose" scenario in favour of the casino as if the policing was action driven, the OP would have been stopped dead in his tracks after the second attempt, which would have established that this was a player using a narrow strategy with which to beat the house.
An advantage player may also be playing "recreationally" as far as he is concerned, getting his buzz from trying to beat odds that are designed to beat the house. It's the same kind of recreation that urges people to spend years trying to perfect the ultimate "Roulette system" and making a name for themselves for beating nature itself.
All the casino have demonstrated is that the OP is an advantage player, not that he is "non recreational". It seems that the mere act of "trying one's best to win" is enough to be deemed non recreational.
For all they know, this player may be pretty new to the scene, and simply following a strategy they found on an affiliate site that also earns money from sending players to the casino. One does not need experience of advantage play in order to follow the kind of detailed recipes I have seen posted on some such sites. The affiliate programs are perfectly happy for the casinos to be marketed in this manner, if they weren't, such sites would either die out, or they would have to be subscription based as they would not earn commission for recommending specific casinos.
What is FAR worse is that the casino have confiscated the DEPOSIT, as well as the winnings. This is what surely crosses the line given that this is not a case of fraud, but merely a case of a dispute over the meaning of a non specific term regarding what constitutes "recreational play".
Where do I fit in?
Given that I have been playing since 2005, and have 9 years experience along with some monster non progressive hits, does this now make me "non recreational". It could be an important question as if I am deemed "non recreational" by any given casino after I have made a nice hit, I could find the lot confiscated with little recourse.
If such terms are to be used in the industry, then players and casinos need to operate to clear guidelines as to what constitutes a "recreational player". I would also argue that anyone who works in the industry at a high enough level to be aware of "inside knowledge" as to the inner workings of online casinos can never be a "recreational player" at ANY online casino, yet they are only barred from playing at sites operated by their employer.
It also negates the advice to "always read the terms". This is no good where terms are not precise, with some leeway with regard to the definition of some criteria. It also looks like the action taken was results driven, rather than driven by the actions of the player. This is pretty much a "tails we win, heads you lose" scenario in favour of the casino as if the policing was action driven, the OP would have been stopped dead in his tracks after the second attempt, which would have established that this was a player using a narrow strategy with which to beat the house.