Balloons 50.18% RTP - Lowest RTP EVER for a game?

You're naive to think that every casino won't eventually be bringing their RTPs down. As soon as more providers make lower-RTP versions of their slots available, they will start to be used and players won't have a choice. The only slots that will remain on the higher RTPs of the 'good old days' will be the ones that don't get played much, and therefore won't be worth the expense in certifying new maths. It's a crowded marketplace today; too many studios and an oversaturation of games. Add to this the fact that certain markets are becoming increasingly expensive to operate in, with revenue possibilities severly restricted (such as, but certainly not limited to, the UK), and lower RTPs will be widespread. This is an undeniable fact I'm afraid.

They still won't be anywhere near as low as LBOs and MSAs though. I find it laughable that betting shops and service stations can operate slots on 86% without much complaint yet people are up in arms about online casinos shaving off 2% in order to maintain their razor-thin profit margins in the face of hostile jurisdictional legislation.

'Razor-thin profit margins'

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LeoVegas reported a 103.2% year-on-year rise in comprehensive profit in 2020 after its strongest-ever fourth-quarter performance helped it post record results for the year.

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In general most scratch card have quite low RTP compared to slots. Reason for that is that they dont generate as much bets as slots.
Most popular scratch card in Sweden run by government site "Svenska Spel" for last 30 years have RTP of 49%
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Sportsbooks are around 90% RTP, some even less. ATG horse betting in Sweden is on 70%-80% RTP, similar to Leo Vegas new Jackpot
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which you have to pay €0.10 per spin which only gives back 70% RTP.

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Only Videoslots could attempt to justify having a game running at 50% RTP by drawing attention to other casinos' lower RTP offerings, which are still 20% higher than this.
Do the casinos running this at 80-90% RTP have much higher players playing it, or is the low amount of players just bullshit to try to make people feel sorry for you.
Do the scratchcards you are talking about with low RTP's not donate a lot of the profits to charity? Is that something Videoslots do with their lower RTP games? If not then it's a completely unfair comparison.
 
Not one to slate VS for low RTP on slots as it is what it is. But seriously can not believe you are trying to justify 50% RTP on any game. And to try and compare it to horse racing in Sweden.

Also you seem to think it is okay when something is rarely played to run it at a disgraceful RTP. Must make a lot from few mugs that play it.

Here is a sugestion. If they are not popular why not get rid of them instead of using them a a disgraceful RTP . You could use the money saved from paying the provider to raise the RTP on some other slot that has been lowered.
They should do a clone of this game where instead of popping balloons you have to shoot fish in a barrel. This way the player might get a sense of the futility of playing the game long before they get too involved.
 
'Razor-thin profit margins'

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LeoVegas reported a 103.2% year-on-year rise in comprehensive profit in 2020 after its strongest-ever fourth-quarter performance helped it post record results for the year.

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I dont think their increase was due to making more money per player.

Look what is happening in Germany as an example. Government is taxing 5% on bets, what do you think the RTP will end up to there?
RTP is getting lower due to its more expensive to operate.
 
'Razor-thin profit margins'

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LeoVegas reported a 103.2% year-on-year rise in comprehensive profit in 2020 after its strongest-ever fourth-quarter performance helped it post record results for the year.

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Are those profits solely from the lower-RTP slots though? They might just be a really well-run outfit that has put a lot of effort into widening it's player-base and keeps costs down, with solar panels on the roof and prints on both sides of the paper?
 
What I said is that most popular scratch card games are around 50% RTP. That is a fact and has been for 20 - 30 years. I still play the TRISS myself. :) Knowing its 49% rtp.

Pretty sure National Lottery Scratchcards here are at least 70% . But hey if you want to play scratchcards at that percentage fair enough. Personally i think it is ripping people off. I know companies need to profit. But sometimes it would be better to get rid of them than use them at such low RTP.

Anyway i randomly opened Scratch Silver at your site from same provider and that is 70% RTP lot higher than 50%. So wondering why that is.

And i opened two at PP one was 80% and other was 92% so sorry but 50% is really ripping the piss.
 
Pretty sure National Lottery Scratchcards here are at least 70% . But hey if you want to play scratchcards at that percentage fair enough. Personally i think it is ripping people off. I know companies need to profit. But sometimes it would be better to get rid of them than use them at such low RTP.

Anyway i randomly opened Scratch Silver at your site from same provider and that is 70% RTP lot higher than 50%. So wondering why that is.

And i opened a few at PP and they were all 80%.

No idea what it is, I only play TRISS as I like it even on the RTP of 49%.
 
Only Videoslots could attempt to justify having a game running at 50% RTP by drawing attention to other casinos' lower RTP offerings, which are still 20% higher than this.
Do the casinos running this at 80-90% RTP have much higher players playing it, or is the low amount of players just bullshit to try to make people feel sorry for you.
Do the scratchcards you are talking about with low RTP's not donate a lot of the profits to charity? Is that something Videoslots do with their lower RTP games? If not then it's a completely unfair comparison.

Leovegas jackpot of 70% RTP is worth mentioning as they are trying selling it as something that you can win more, while in fact adding the jackpot your chances on RTP will be less.

If you bet 10 cent in starburst on 94% and adding 10 cent to the jackpot of 70% your rtp will be around 82% per spin!
 
It’s clear that RTP’s are going to get even worse, the boundaries are clearly being pushed to the limit, with players yet again footing the bill.

Where will it end? Slots below 90% being the new normal for online? Just, how low can they go? :p
 
Leovegas jackpot of 70% RTP is worth mentioning as they are trying selling it as something that you can win more, while in fact adding the jackpot your chances on RTP will be less.

If you bet 10 cent in starburst on 94% and adding 10 cent to the jackpot of 70% your rtp will be around 82% per spin!

is this a whataboutism in a non political thread?!
Lol.
 
Leovegas jackpot of 70% RTP is worth mentioning as they are trying selling it as something that you can win more, while in fact adding the jackpot your chances on RTP will be less.

If you bet 10 cent in starburst on 94% and adding 10 cent to the jackpot of 70% your rtp will be around 82% per spin!

Just had a look at those. The developer doesn’t have much to say :D

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Leovegas jackpot of 70% RTP is worth mentioning as they are trying selling it as something that you can win more, while in fact adding the jackpot your chances on RTP will be less.

If you bet 10 cent in starburst on 94% and adding 10 cent to the jackpot of 70% your rtp will be around 82% per spin!
It's not really though is it, as it's a thread about Videoslots running what is the lowest RTP I have ever seen or heard of on an online game.
What you are doing is attempting to deflect the bad comments onto someone else. I don't see you popping up in the leovegas thread saying well you should look at Videoslots, they are running lower RTP's so LV aren't that bad.
 
Technically Blackjack has an RTP% of less than 50% if you try drawing to 21 on every hand. This game is on every online casino in existence, in many different forms I might add. I think this is an absolute disgrace and the game should be removed from every online casino :thumbsup:

In the very least they should publish the minimum and maximum RTP% depending on player strategy, and any operator that provides variants that don't should be shamed on an internet forum by people who don't agree with the legislation :thumbsup:

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It's not really though is it, as it's a thread about Videoslots running what is the lowest RTP I have ever seen or heard of on an online game.
What you are doing is attempting to deflect the bad comments onto someone else. I don't see you popping up in the leovegas thread saying well you should look at Videoslots, they are running lower RTP's so LV aren't that bad.

The thread is about a scratch card on 50% RTP which can be found at VS and other operators some on same RTP as VS and some on higher. My comment was that scratch cards are usually at low RTP due to the bet volumes. So far I have not been proven wrong on that as when someone checked they found out scratch cards are between 60 - 90% RTP.
I did comparison on other game formats that have low volume bets compared to slots and explained that those are also low RTP due to the fact the bets are much less.

I also pointed out that the most played online scratch card in Sweden is on 49% RTP and I play it myself as I think its fun even on the low RTP. I read that on average a year 100 million scratch cards of triss is sold. So clearly the 49% RTP is not scaring away too many.

Im not trying to defend anyone, just stating the facts. Scratch cards in general have low RTP.
- That will not change even though if I work on Videoslots or Unibet. That is just how it is.

RTP is not everything. Look how much money is spent in social casinos and on lootboxes in games with RTP of 0%. Even in mobile games. People will spend money on what they think its fun. That is just how it is regardless of RTP.

I also pointed out how Leo Vegas have manged to manipulate the RTP in games without changing the games RTP, but by adding a Jackpot and selling it as you can win something bigger, but in reality you are buying something with worse odds in same game for a higher price. I think that is a much more interesting discussion.
 
RTP is not everything. Look how much money is spent in social casinos and on lootboxes in games with RTP of 0%. Even in mobile games. People will spend money on what they think its fun. That is just how it is regardless of RTP.
Indeed but at the end of the day casinos should not go out of their way to fleece players out of more money and less playtime due to lower RTP's.

VS have made a huge effort the last year of picking lower RTP versions of slots from certain providers. Will your next move be you will remove all providers who have fixed higher RTP on their slots? So BTG and others for example? So it will in turn mean VS will only have Red Tiger, Stakelogic, Pragmatic, Net Ent, Play N Go and a few others that give casino operators the option to choose lower RTP versions? Imagine that VS then only have 7 slot providers that players can play at VS? That will be a very very very sad day wouldn't it?

Or will you just close your casino in certain countries? Surely the amount of money you have now made since reducing the RTP must be enough now for you to move them back to higher? Look at LeoVegas who have been getting a lot extra profit since they went down the same route too!?

I know you work for VS hence why I am replying to your post. This is and has to stop. RTP's needs to be fair for all. Even for those players who have not got a clue of what RTP is. People can still see how RTP levels affect playtime and paybacks in slots without even needing to know what it is about!
 
The thread is about a scratch card on 50% RTP which can be found at VS and other operators some on same RTP as VS and some on higher. My comment was that scratch cards are usually at low RTP due to the bet volumes. So far I have not been proven wrong on that as when someone checked they found out scratch cards are between 60 - 90% RTP.
I did comparison on other game formats that have low volume bets compared to slots and explained that those are also low RTP due to the fact the bets are much less.

I also pointed out that the most played online scratch card in Sweden is on 49% RTP and I play it myself as I think its fun even on the low RTP. I read that on average a year 100 million scratch cards of triss is sold. So clearly the 49% RTP is not scaring away too many.

Im not trying to defend anyone, just stating the facts. Scratch cards in general have low RTP.
- That will not change even though if I work on Videoslots or Unibet. That is just how it is.

RTP is not everything. Look how much money is spent in social casinos and on lootboxes in games with RTP of 0%. Even in mobile games. People will spend money on what they think its fun. That is just how it is regardless of RTP.

I also pointed out how Leo Vegas have manged to manipulate the RTP in games without changing the games RTP, but by adding a Jackpot and selling it as you can win something bigger, but in reality you are buying something with worse odds in same game for a higher price. I think that is a much more interesting discussion.
Do you think its comon to look up scratch card rtp? most people dont give 2 cent about rtp or even know what it is. Thats why casino are make huge profit on the lower rtp.
 
Got a response from UKGC regarding autoplay, deposit limits and RTP (of sorts..)

As regards Autoplay, we consulted earlier in 2020 on changes to the design of online slots specifically to make them safer for consumers in GB and the decision was made to remove Autoplay as a feature.

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As regards your comments about deposit limits and maximum stakes, I can advise that deposit limits are only voluntary. In addition, they are very easy for customers to change. Unfortunately, we receive many complaints from customers who say they have been able to gamble and lose way more than they can afford where they say the gambling businesses failed to carry out any affordability or source of funds checks on them. This can include customers who are unemployed and/or on benefits but also from customers who have come into some money but have been able to gamble it all away.


As regards your comments about RTP, you raise some very valid points.


As you may be aware, the government are currently undertaking a review of the Gambling Act as part of a major and wide-ranging review of gambling laws. It is currently unknown what their decisions will be as regards any of the topics you have raised.


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We would therefore suggest, if you still have concerns or think that the legislation needs changing, that you raise your concerns and suggestions with your local MP. This would be the appropriate step to take to campaign for changes to legislation. You could also raise your concerns with the Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport (
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Got a response from UKGC regarding autoplay, deposit limits and RTP (of sorts..)

At least it looks 100% legit original prober UKGC communication, some could count how many words you can write without saying anything... they must use some generator for their replies where you just add few keywords.
 
I did wonder about the fact this balloons game is a scratchcard game, and that's why the RTP is so low. I wonder what the percentage return to player is for National Lottery scratchcards?
From my days in retail... National Lottery RTP is between 58% and 65%... Lower on the 1 and 2 pound options, better on the £3 and £5 cards.
Whilst this is poor in principle.... there is 25% of the cost price which goes straight to their charitable causes to take into account.
So... 58p back from a 75p stake, £3.30 back from £3.75 on the £5 card.
 
Any casino having this disgusting low RTP there credibility should be questioned. It's a legal way of robbing there customers. Feel sorry for many that dont know what rtp is because there being robbed blind and bottom line it is disgusting. No anything below 96% is disgusting but 50.18 is shit thrown in your face. The game provider and casinos should be ashamed.
 
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