Balloons 50.18% RTP - Lowest RTP EVER for a game?

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I have been doing some digging and it appears that there is no minimum RTP by law.

It’s so contradicting. They’re here to protect players, from gambling harm. Set objectives that operators have to fulfil.

Surely subjecting problem gamblers to games with such low payout percentages will increase harm as more money can be lost a lot faster.

The only people who are gaining from this situation is the operator and provider. Was it MGA who have/are imposing a minimum RTP?
 
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I don’t think anyone is winning at those percentages. Hacksaw gaming should not be allowing an option to go as low as that. I wonder if that’s the absolute lowest or can it even go lower? LOL
 

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I've had a look about and can't find their games in many places, but where I did, not one was running at these levels.
WHG are running it at 85.09, which is shit, but a massive 35% higher than scummyslots videoslots are
 
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Is there a site that you can sort games by provider and RTP%?
For eg; if I wanted to find the highest RTP Quickspin slot or something.
 

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Is there a site that you can sort games by provider and RTP%?
For eg; if I wanted to find the highest RTP Quickspin slot or something.
At Videoslots you click "game payout" and you choose theoretical instead of actual and choose game provider you want to check and choose highest payout instead of popular, and it will show the list of the games from the highest RTP .
 

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What boggles my mind is people still play at VS, with justifications like, 'Oh well I don't play the slots that have the gimped RTPs', and I'm just thinking that's like there's a local pub where you know the landlord is watering down the beer but you're OK with it and just make a point of finding out which beers he's watering down and not ordering those ones.

But the point is, of course, the landlord is trying to water down your beer, stop giving him your business! And people who don't know any better are getting conned paying full price for the watered down beer.

Slots on shitty RTPs and casinos running slots on shitty RTPs would cease to exist if people stopped playing them. Whilst places like Unibet, Novibet and Rizk still exist serving the UK market running all the top RTPs, playing at somewhere like VS is pretty much literally just shooting yourself in the foot as a player.
Exasctly why I stopped playing at Videoslots. Very tiring trying to find slots that have not been gimped on the RTP.

I also dont understand why people play Videoslots. The battles are all but pointless these days. And yes payouts are quick but which casino does not have quick same day payouts these days ? I also find the stock responses they give on the videoslots thread at times really patronizing.

Yesterday I joined Platin casino - no battles - but Highest rtps on all games. Account verified within an hour. Payouts to paypal within minutes. Why on earth would I play somewhere where they take a 50% further cut into my potential payouts. Pure greed by Videoslots and they wont see another deposit from me ever.
 
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I wonder how many have raised the RTP issues with UKC? Their surveys avoided those questions.

I'm tempted to contact them and basically point out how bad RTP is for the players, and will definitely use the RTP at this game for this reason, how can they get away with this? And shame to the provider too, have they no moral standards?
 

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I wonder how many have raised the RTP issues with UKC? Their surveys avoided those questions.

I'm tempted to contact them and basically point out how bad RTP is for the players, and will definitely use the RTP at this game for this reason, how can they get away with this? And shame to the provider too, have they no moral standards?

But if people complained to the UKGC and the UKGC decided to act upon those complaints which to be fair I do not see happening anyway. UKGC do not care about RTP.

But anyway all what will happen is it would then just drive VS and other casinos who have started to reduce the RTP of slots and games to stop allowing players from those countries who crack down on it. If that did happen that will indeed be a sad time. I mean look I am massively against VS RTP's now. I remember years ago they strived to always run the highest RTP;s but they changed that last year.

The more people who get more into checking RTP and being vocal about it the better. But also VS will not change their RTP to highest again until perhaps the taxes or fees and outgoings are reduced and they feel they can then move back to higher RTP for the slots. But at the end of the day majority of players do not even know about RTP. So VS and other casinos obviously know this and they just do not care. I would say or guess about 10% of the playerbase know about RTP and actively check what the RTP of slots are before they play them. It might be 20% it was just a guess.
 

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Well, I made a complaint to them asking if they were considering RTP in their review. MGA has at least a standard of 92%, not sure why UKGC should not have a set amount either tbh. (I did ask them to set it to the highest, dreaming)
 

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The more people who get more into checking RTP and being vocal about it the better. But also VS will not change their RTP to highest again until perhaps the taxes or fees and outgoings are reduced and they feel they can then move back to higher RTP for the slots. But at the end of the day majority of players do not even know about RTP.
"A survey commissioned by the regulator in Sweden, Spellinspektionen, found out that only
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know how to check where an operator is licensed. This is an extremely low number and worrying since it means 95% of customers might play in a jurisdiction that has basically no player protection and lower payback on the games."
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If players don’t even know under which license they are playing i guess they don't also know what RTP even means. And if 95% of players are totally ignorant about this basic stuff then it's game over and casinos can do what ever they want because the big crowd is not interested.

The result of the study is totally shocking and it's a big shame that a huge majority play online casinos without any knowledge of the basics
 

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"A survey commissioned by the regulator in Sweden, Spellinspektionen, found out that only
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know how to check where an operator is licensed. This is an extremely low number and worrying since it means 95% of customers might play in a jurisdiction that has basically no player protection and lower payback on the games."
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If players don’t even know under which license they are playing i guess they don't also know what RTP even means. And if 95% of players are totally ignorant about this basic stuff then it's game over and casinos can do what ever they want because the big crowd is not interested.

The result of the study is totally shocking and it's a big shame that a huge majority play online casinos without any knowledge of the basi
I wonder if they handpicked players that are 80+ years old to get those numbers.
Because not knowing how to check if a site has a Swe license is basically the same as saying "i dont know how to google" or "i dont know how to access spelinspektionens website"
 

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The issue is that the UKGC would not be interested in our concerns. They’ve got their own agenda. It’s crystal clear that they couldn’t give two shits about protecting players, they simply haven’t got a clue and I for one can’t wait to see the day the UKGC is deemed unfit for purpose.

The best option would be maybe launch a petition for signatures to be examined by parliament. This would require 10,000 signatures I think, plus would hopefully make more people aware as to how unethical it is to be allowed people to gamble on games with 50% payout.

There really should be an absolute minimum of 92% RTP on any game. That is fair, transparent and better for the player.

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The 2005 UK Gambling Act has 3 objectives:

1. keeping gambling crime-free.
2. making sure that gambling is fair and open.
3. protecting children and vulnerable adults.

I see that the commission is failing on upholding the second objective. How can gambling be ‘fair’ and ‘open’ if players are not protected with a minimum RTP.

Rob :)
 

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I have been doing some digging and it appears that there is no minimum RTP by law.

It’s so contradicting. They’re here to protect players, from gambling harm. Set objectives that operators have to fulfil.

Surely subjecting problem gamblers to games with such low payout percentages will increase harm as more money can be lost a lot faster.

The only people who are gaining from this situation is the operator and provider. Was it MGA who have/are imposing a minimum RTP?
The UKGC are more interested in stopping auto play, making you wait 2.5 seconds between spins and harassing you over where you got that £50 deposit from than anything of actual use it seems.
 

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The UKGC are more interested in stopping auto play, making you wait 2.5 seconds between spins and harassing you over where you got that £50 deposit from than anything of actual use it seems.

Yeah, it’s insane. Anyone with an ounce of common sense would be able to see that you can keep track of what you’re spending/losing/winning better using the auto play function, which has adjustable settings which turn off the auto once you reach those limits.

It’s most likely Pragmatic Play and their instant silly fast spins that brought their attention to this area :p
 

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In general most scratch card have quite low RTP compared to slots. Reason for that is that they dont generate as much bets as slots.
Most popular scratch card in Sweden run by government site "Svenska Spel" for last 30 years have RTP of 49%
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Sportsbooks are around 90% RTP, some even less. ATG horse betting in Sweden is on 70%-80% RTP, similar to Leo Vegas new Jackpot
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which you have to pay €0.10 per spin which only gives back 70% RTP.

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What boggles my mind is people still play at VS, with justifications like, 'Oh well I don't play the slots that have the gimped RTPs', and I'm just thinking that's like there's a local pub where you know the landlord is watering down the beer but you're OK with it and just make a point of finding out which beers he's watering down and not ordering those ones.

But the point is, of course, the landlord is trying to water down your beer, stop giving him your business! And people who don't know any better are getting conned paying full price for the watered down beer.

Slots on shitty RTPs and casinos running slots on shitty RTPs would cease to exist if people stopped playing them. Whilst places like Unibet, Novibet and Rizk still exist serving the UK market running all the top RTPs, playing at somewhere like VS is pretty much literally just shooting yourself in the foot as a player.
You're naive to think that every casino won't eventually be bringing their RTPs down. As soon as more providers make lower-RTP versions of their slots available, they will start to be used and players won't have a choice. The only slots that will remain on the higher RTPs of the 'good old days' will be the ones that don't get played much, and therefore won't be worth the expense in certifying new maths. It's a crowded marketplace today; too many studios and an oversaturation of games. Add to this the fact that certain markets are becoming increasingly expensive to operate in, with revenue possibilities severly restricted (such as, but certainly not limited to, the UK), and lower RTPs will be widespread. This is an undeniable fact I'm afraid. Any casinos retaining high RTPs will do so at the expense of any promotional offering to the point that their sole USP is high RTPs - but even then they will eventually have to start lowering them like everyone else. Other places like VS will take full advantage of lower RTP versions of games in order to finance/improve all the stuff they give away every week.

They still won't be anywhere near as low as LBOs and MSAs though. I find it laughable that betting shops and service stations can operate slots on 86% without much complaint yet people are up in arms about online casinos shaving off 2% in order to maintain their razor-thin profit margins in the face of hostile jurisdictional legislation.
 
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In general most scratch card have quite low RTP compared to slots. Reason for that is that they dont generate as much bets as slots.
Most popular scratch card in Sweden run by government site "Svenska Spel" for last 30 years have RTP of 49%
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.

Sportsbooks are around 90% RTP, some even less. ATG horse betting in Sweden is on 70%-80% RTP, similar to Leo Vegas new Jackpot
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which you have to pay €0.10 per spin which only gives back 70% RTP.

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I did wonder about the fact this balloons game is a scratchcard game, and that's why the RTP is so low. I wonder what the percentage return to player is for National Lottery scratchcards?
 

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In general most scratch card have quite low RTP compared to slots. Reason for that is that they dont generate as much bets as slots.
Most popular scratch card in Sweden run by government site "Svenska Spel" for last 30 years have RTP of 49%
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.

Sportsbooks are around 90% RTP, some even less. ATG horse betting in Sweden is on 70%-80% RTP, similar to Leo Vegas new Jackpot
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which you have to pay €0.10 per spin which only gives back 70% RTP.

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Not one to slate VS for low RTP on slots as it is what it is. But seriously can not believe you are trying to justify 50% RTP on any game. And to try and compare it to horse racing in Sweden.

Also you seem to think it is okay when something is rarely played to run it at a disgraceful RTP. Must make a lot from few mugs that play it.

Here is a sugestion. If they are not popular why not get rid of them instead of using them a a disgraceful RTP . You could use the money saved from paying the provider to raise the RTP on some other slot that has been lowered.
 

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Not one to slate VS for low RTP on slots as it is what it is. But seriously can not believe you are trying to justify 50% RTP on any game. And to try and compare it to horse racing in Sweden.

Also you seem to think it is okay when something is rarely played to run it at a disgraceful RTP. Must make a lot from few mugs that play it.

Here is a sugestion. If they are not popular why not get rid of them instead of using them a a disgraceful RTP . You could use the money saved from paying the provider to raise the RTP on some other slot that has been lowered.

What I said is that most popular scratch card games are around 50% RTP. That is a fact and has been for 20 - 30 years. I still play the TRISS myself. :) Knowing its 49% rtp.
 

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