Avalon 2 coming up!

The chance for 5 reels wild would be 1 in 2.555.120.700 since reel 3 has 4/110 stops making the reel wild.

The chance for 5 scatter should be:

(6/79)*(9/108)*(6/110)*(6/110)*(18/99)=3.42371301676668E-006=1/292.080

Since there are 2, 3, 2, 2, 6 scatter symbols on reel 1,2,3,4,5. Each time you have 1 scatter symbol, you have 3 chances of hitting it.
 
I'm getting 1/160....but it doesnt seem to match the 250.000 spins I've registered so far...so I suspect there's a mistake somewhere...

EDIT: 4 scatter and 5 scatter is included in my 3 scatter count, so I think zap987 is right....

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The chance for 5 reels wild would be 1 in 2.555.120.700 since reel 3 has 4/110 stops making the reel wild.

I shall deposit immediately then, and I won't stop until I've hit five full reels wild!

Seriously, those are some ridiculous odds, I knew events like this were 'VERY RARE' but I didn't realise that they were so off-the-scale rare that they almost may as well not exist for the average player.
 
So the odds of getting 5 reels wild are 2.55 billion for a jackpot of 2.4 mil coins :eek:

The jackpot on AV2 and TS2 are the same, so I wonder are the odds going to be the same for the perfect (shit)storm of 5 reels wild?. I know the jackpot on TS2 doesn't involve the base game reels but it's got to be similar odds and IR will probably have much higher odds due to the biggest jackpot of the 243 way slots.
 
This is actually an interesting slot if you´re going for the typical microgaming big hit, given that the features pay quite stable amounts if you compare them to the other 243 way slots where the features end up paying less than 10x bet most of the time this slot can hold your balance even for a long while and get you that bigger hit. Played with 3 x deposits at unibet for quite a while and got one hit of 150x in the base game which doubled my total deposits and gave me some extra playtime. Seems like it´s very volatile though if you catch it at a bad time (a lot of deadspins, no features, not that big hit potential when you do get one and a lot of symbols paying crap).
 
So 1/160 to trigger the bonus is just like any other slot. I'd have been very surprised if that changed.

With the usual ridiculous spikes upwards before a feature triggers.
I made nearly 2500 spins and only got the feature 3 times sofar,that is once every 800+ spins on average! :eek2:
I have to say 1st trigger took nearly 1000 spins on its own.

So yeah I might hope to expect a few features triggered in short succession on my next session. :o
 
Here's My Thoughts

Was eager to try this game as the casinos hyped it up a lot. Here is my experience:

Real Play - Deposited $500. Played with increasing bets starting from $1.50 and going up to $15. Got all 7 features within 1000 spins, got my balance up to $4000. After that, kept playing and lost the entire amount without seeing any features (stupid of me I know).
The last feature gave 4043 x 0.50 ways bet alone which was lucky. Net loss - $500 (what I deposited).

Practice Play - played at $30 max the whole time. 1st feature at 150 spins, second at 400, third at 655, fourth at 755, fifth at 1198, 6th at 1392, 7th at 1504. So on average about 1 in 200, which is not great. Net loss - $2000.

Conclusion:
Good points - good graphics; interesting story line; good variation between features (I like rolling reels the best though); better than Avalon 1; did manage to get 5 of a kind guinevere and 5 of a kind arthur; the merlin multipliers and cash payouts are not bad (somewhat better than the dark knight in this sense).
Bad points - slow gameplay (even on fast computer at quick spins and standard graphics); low feature trigger rate (1 in 200 on average); the picture payouts are way too rare - in the 3000 or so combined spins I did at 3 casinos I have never gotten 5 of a kind merlin, black knight, morgan, scatters, wilds; the pathetic payouts for 2 of a kind merlin or arthur are annoying and pointless (except for maybe in rolling reels feature); the scatters are hacked like in many of these 243 ways games and often only come up on 1st and 5th reel; the game lacks a random wilds featurette like that of the dark knight, thunderstruck 2, or immortal romance; the $30 max limit is too low.
Overall - like all slots you CAN get lucky on this (as I did at first in my real play experience), but in the long run you will lose, and the low feature trigger rate juts won't keep you in the game long enough. Overall the bads outweigh the goods.
 
Nearly 3000 spins all on €0.60 bets...
€550.00 in deposits...

Finished the questline:

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Paytable nearly same as I posted yesterday in this thread,no wins on higher paying symbols.
Also I was gobsmacked they took out the stacked wilds in the rolling reels feature making the possibility of a big win on that feature nearly impossible.

Highest win 140x bet on this pick your helmet thingy.. €72.00
So do the maths,all other features paid crap between 10-20x stake..

The wheel paid me 843x line bet OMG OMG €16.86..

I feel the urge to send a long e-mail to MGS as I am a big fan of their slots but this one for me is a no go and will not play it for some time I reckon.
 
I feel the urge to send a long e-mail to MGS as I am a big fan of their slots but this one for me is a no go and will not play it for some time I reckon.

Now that we've got the entire reel strips, there's no need to play it to know what to expect. Your chance to hit something decent is ~1 in a hundred million, let's leave it at that.
 
There is a second reelset that only contains 2 scatters on reel 2 (instead of 3) and 4 scatters on reel 5 (instead of 6).

It seems to come into play after a bonus round involving 5-picks (hall of shadows?) - until the next bonus round is hit. Is there a bonus round that effects the spins until next bonusround???

I'm guessing that one of the bonus rounds pays more, and is therefore more difficult to hit.
 
I was pretty gutted with this slot. I agree it is definitely medium to high variance. What was particularly painful for me is that prior to playing Avalon 2 I was doing quite nicely on the WR of a bonus and looked certain of coming out with a profit. However Avalon 2 destroyed my balance before I succeeded in completing WR. I should have stuck with autoplay low rolling on Lucky Koi.

However I did love the slot (apart from getting the hump with it) and am highly tempted to give it another chance although I will cap my daily spins to avoid bankruptcy lol

I keep wanting to play it freeplay just to see all the bonus rounds without destroying my modest income, but Id hate to strike big in freeplay thinking "if only". I know in real terms that is irrelevant as each spin holds equal chance but I'm sure you all agree that it is nevertheless a psychological blow when you hit big in freeplay.
 
There is a second reelset that only contains 2 scatters on reel 2 (instead of 3) and 4 scatters on reel 5 (instead of 6).

It seems to come into play after a bonus round involving 5-picks (hall of shadows?) - until the next bonus round is hit. Is there a bonus round that effects the spins until next bonusround???

I'm guessing that one of the bonus rounds pays more, and is therefore more difficult to hit.

So the base game reels change in between bonus rounds? Very interesting, to say the least. I wonder if this was done to keep the RTP the same on every paying spin? Since the upcoming bonus round pays more, it has to be harder to trigger?

This is a legal requirement for B&M slots around here (same RTP on every spin), I don't know about online slots though. That's quite a discovery you've made there.
 
tried it 1 more time tonight, was worst "session" yet, i got the infamous no features and bust out scenario, think i managed 386 spins at 0.60, with the final few at 1.50 just to speed the process up, unistalled mg clients today not as a protest to the casinos themselves but im simply not enjoying any of mgs recent releases, and find im playing IR or BDBA still more than anything else :o
 
My first impressions (when I first played it on Thursday) were good. Seemed like one of those slots you could grind out a WR on. Played 5 of the bonus rounds and was in profit to the tune of about £20 on 30p bets. This was despite only getting a biggest feature win of £16 (double 5OAK of Merlin in the trailing wilds feature) and a biggest base game win of £11 (it was a £2.75 win given the Merlin 4x multiplier stick waving treatment).

24 hours later though, my originally positive impressions of this slot drastically changed when I saw the rather hideously ugly side of this slot.

Got a £50 bonus in the mail from AllSlots, so I thought "ok i got free money, let's give Avalon II a further test drive".

I didn't even last 300 spins on 30p bets. RTP sub-50%. Only got 2 bonus rounds. By the time I hit £0, I was bored so shitless I thought I had been colonically irrigated.

Then onto Saturday. Had £10 left on of my CR accounts. Played it, lost it. Didn't get a bonus round.
Had £15 on another CR account....quickly hit 2 multi-stacked wild 5OAKs to jump out to £30....and then promptly died on my ass within 150 spins of hitting £30. Didn't get a bonus round there either.
Had £10 in yet another CR account. FINALLY hit a bonus round. And it basically went so crap that I had an overwhelming urge to forge excalibur up the arsehole of the sadistic mofo who created this slot. If you can't even hit a 5 or a 6 in 10 tries in order to slightly "bump up your consolation prize", then that says it all really. I've played this round 3 times and I've not managed to forge 5 parts together, let alone all 6. Anyways, what I "won" (it didn't feel like a win after the long wait) was soon lost.

I was really looking forward to the release of this slot. After playing it (and losing on it) for a couple of days, I'm just feeling totally underwhelmed and massively disappointed. If you don't like money...this slot is absolutely perfect for you. Makes me think that TFROL is awesome in comparison (and I hate that slot). I guess it's back to my old 243 way favourites...TSII and Playboy. At least when I lose on those, I can still hit something north of £20 along the way and also not get bored out of my mind.
 

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So the base game reels change in between bonus rounds?

Yes - very minor change though. The only difference I can see is that they removed scatters from reel 2 and 5. I'm guessing its before the final round, but I have not played the game, so i cant be sure. At first I thought it was some very long 300+ spin bonus feature (since reel change normally only occurs in bonus rounds), but I'm guessing thats not the case.

I have always found MG slots to be 100% fair (in freemode anyway), so I'm pretty sure the decrease in probability of hitting the bonus round is exactly = the increase in payout in the bonus round.

In Tomb Raider 2 for example, getting the final (triggering) bonus symbol is basically 5 times less likely than hitting the first. So for the bonus multiplier, they weigh the bet made when hitting the bonus symbols with the (inverse) probability of hitting the symbol. Reminds me, I should check out the TR2 reel layout to see if each reel contains the same number of scatters, or if they change the "weighing" depending on the order in which the bonus symbols are hit.
 
Yes - very minor change though. The only difference I can see is that they removed scatters from reel 2 and 5. I'm guessing its before the final round, but I have not played the game, so i cant be sure. At first I thought it was some very long 300+ spin bonus feature (since reel change normally only occurs in bonus rounds), but I'm guessing thats not the case.

I have always found MG slots to be 100% fair (in freemode anyway), so I'm pretty sure the decrease in probability of hitting the bonus round is exactly = the increase in payout in the bonus round.

In Tomb Raider 2 for example, getting the final (triggering) bonus symbol is basically 5 times less likely than hitting the first. So for the bonus multiplier, they weigh the bet made when hitting the bonus symbols with the (inverse) probability of hitting the symbol. Reminds me, I should check out the TR2 reel layout to see if each reel contains the same number of scatters, or if they change the "weighing" depending on the order in which the bonus symbols are hit.

It took me 1317 spins to get the all the features before the last one, then took 1500 spins to get the last bonus feature, explains this a bit.
But then again, its not going to take everyone 1500 spins to get the last feature, but i did unlock the 4th wheel on the wheel of fortune.
Think i need to order a tin hat lol
 
I asked my casino manager to look up my RTP% on it and I got an email today saying in 1,643 spins it was 34.7% RTP with no bonus features and my highest win was 11x my innitial bet.

I didnt ask for a free chip but they gave me a $25 one because of a "cold run".

I gave them feedback and basically said it was the worst luck Ive ever had and I wont ever play it again. But I also thanked them for all their other great games. I just think they messed this one up big time.

No big deal to me. Now Ill play that free $25 on another slot I love.
 
had a nice 5 wild win on doa last night so thought "ok, 1 more shot!", was already calling it dogshit as my balance was creeping quite quickly to 0 and this dropped in, already started the next spin so retrieved from history :o, still it seems too volatile for me, and its definitely not a winners screenshot as im way down on this :p

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Yes definitely a very volatile slot. I just had four features in less than 100 spins.... but in FREE PLAY!

Quite gutting when my real play was so awful!

I think I will treat this slot as a "last chance saloon". I like it but its just too risky for me so I will play it when a bonus WR is going badly as an all or nothing gamble :)
 
had my third run these are the best things i got

30 cents bet 32red casino went thru 2 deposits and my loyalty points money finished wagering with under 30 so no cash out had 80% empty spins when over 500 spins no feature at one point avalon win.webp02.webp
 
I have sent MGS an e-mail,to their general enquiries address.
Interested to see if they come back to me in regards to the queries I have about this slot.
Also linked this topic in my e-mail so they can read themselves what people think sofar about this slot. :cool:
 
wanted Avalon 2 changes

I have sent MGS an e-mail,to their general enquiries address.
Interested to see if they come back to me in regards to the queries I have about this slot.
Also linked this topic in my e-mail so they can read themselves what people think sofar about this slot. :cool:

i think the slot might just need some time but from the wrong winning screenshots that have been posted something must really be wrong with it.
look at the dark night rises that got fixed a couple of times. maybe they will do more with it heres a list of things i would like to see
1 choice of feature or ability to skip ahead to next feature
2 jackpot linked or have 3 small jackpots that can be won randomly
3 a wild desire type random feature
4 the pay table redone taking out the 2 of a kind wins and using that payback to add to the lower end symbols
5 a max spin limit of 250 spins for a feature its a imposable one but they could add a random free feature and set it to go of within 250 spins
6 speed up the game even on quickspin its slow

i know im dreaming here on any of these changes ever happening but hey why not share my dreams of a better slot
what would you guys add or remove from this game mabye in time this could all be used to make the mysterious "perfect slot"
 
well i dont want a jackpot on it thats just sucking even more money out of the game thanks :?0

i was thinking about what i dislike about this and several of mgs recent releases, and why i still prefer games like IR and BDBA,

the main difference is that both those old games play like a "slot" sure there is a few bells and whistles to IR but they still appear on the slot reels (wild desire), and thats probably my main gripe.

i have no desire to watch merlin pop up twiddle his stick a few times and make my 0.04 win into 0.12, i dont even want him to pop up when ive technically won 0, and randomly award me an x10 win out of blue, what i would have liked is him popping up on the screen and doing something with reels, afterall its supposed to be a slot,

using magic to hold a reel with wild for a spin or number of spins, making wilds spread to other reels, any kind of magic at his disposal but do it with the reels not the win box!!

speed for me is ok on fast, but i would like the ability to skip merlin crappy pays and the middle reel feature crappy pays, i dont want to wait for the reel to expand play the fancy music and pay me 0.12p

similarly, less alarming music for 2OAKS seriously ive won 0.04, theres no need for a fanfare because its the highest paying symbol on a 2OAK - remove 2OAK and make 3OAKS pay more.

the bonus round, most of the picking rounds are over in seconds, and they are capped wins too, so for the actual potentially exciting round that mgs put 2 years of development into (but are basically nothing new compared to previous releases) you can be waiting a long time,

the grand finale round is a total dissapoinment, press a button once and collect a mediocre win, that was worth waiting for.

if they had adopted the battlestar galatica route along the journey it might have been more interesting than changing the background colour, by that i mean once you reached a point on the maps you get rolling reels, and cascading wild until you hit the next feature, or simply made the rtp equal on all features and allowed the player to pick what they want to play after doing 1 full journey..

thats all i can muster for now:o
 
well i dont want a jackpot on it thats just sucking even more money out of the game thanks :?0

i was thinking about what i dislike about this and several of mgs recent releases, and why i still prefer games like IR and BDBA,

the main difference is that both those old games play like a "slot" sure there is a few bells and whistles to IR but they still appear on the slot reels (wild desire), and thats probably my main gripe.

i have no desire to watch merlin pop up twiddle his stick a few times and make my 0.04 win into 0.12, i dont even want him to pop up when ive technically won 0, and randomly award me an x10 win out of blue, what i would have liked is him popping up on the screen and doing something with reels, afterall its supposed to be a slot,

using magic to hold a reel with wild for a spin or number of spins, making wilds spread to other reels, any kind of magic at his disposal but do it with the reels not the win box!!

speed for me is ok on fast, but i would like the ability to skip merlin crappy pays and the middle reel feature crappy pays, i dont want to wait for the reel to expand play the fancy music and pay me 0.12p

similarly, less alarming music for 2OAKS seriously ive won 0.04, theres no need for a fanfare because its the highest paying symbol on a 2OAK - remove 2OAK and make 3OAKS pay more.

the bonus round, most of the picking rounds are over in seconds, and they are capped wins too, so for the actual potentially exciting round that mgs put 2 years of development into (but are basically nothing new compared to previous releases) you can be waiting a long time,

the grand finale round is a total dissapoinment, press a button once and collect a mediocre win, that was worth waiting for.

if they had adopted the battlestar galatica route along the journey it might have been more interesting than changing the background colour, by that i mean once you reached a point on the maps you get rolling reels, and cascading wild until you hit the next feature, or simply made the rtp equal on all features and allowed the player to pick what they want to play after doing 1 full journey..

thats all i can muster for now:o

to much info wild maybe you could of said its a pile of crap & you cant be arsed to play it any longer :lolup:
 
I am actually going against the grain here and I am am loving this slot a lot.

I managed to get through every bonus round in under 600 spins and came out with a nice tidy profit thanks to the Rolling Reels and the last bonus game coughing up a 5,086x bonus. I have hit a lot of wins in the 100x - 700x bracket.

This game is volatile and high variance but this is the kinda game I like. Those whom are complaining about the 2 symbol pays have you managed to get to the Rolling Reels feature? Because I can tell you now that they come in very handy during this bonus round but I do agree they can be somewhat annoying in the normal spins.

The way this slot looked to be setup I was expecting it to play a bit like the old LOTR but it does not even seem close as you rarely get the stacked wilds with the expanding one on reel 3.

Anyway for now I am very happy with Avalon 2, it may change if I get as bad a run as some of you but so far it has been kind to me.

Some shots from my sessions.

As above, made it threw all bonuses in around 600 spins at bets of 0.60 - 0.90

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Upped the bet a bit and on my 3rd run through all the bonuses this popped in. It a $2.40 bet on the Choose a Wild spins.

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My friend next door wanted to play this game so I went over to his house this morning. he deposited $300 and played 60 cent bets. It didnt take him long to lose it. Sadly for him he didnt even hit a feature in about 1100 spins so I still havent got to watch one! Looks like this slot is a real piglet unless you get real lucky.

I had a bad run in with a witch game on MG too. Same thing 30 cent bets 480 spins no feature and no win big wins. Lost only $35 bucks.

Cashed out before I get tilty and chase a win and lose it. Time for a break again! Still up a few hundred bucks. lets keep it that way ;):p:o:thumbsup:

Will be watching for some big wins like the above. God knows enough people are puring money into it we should be seeing some good hits from time to time.
 
Yeah I'm not a fan... Played this on fun mode and I'm less than impressed. The old version with new graphics is a game I would like to see (I've seen the winning screenies). But this? No. Repetitive spinning, never saw the expanding wild on reel three (over four hundred spins), nice graphics but boring tedious game play.

I think what MG did was take every feature from their other new release slots and roll them all into one. Nothing exciting about that (it's all been done before). Merlin's a little bit irritating rather than focusing on the reels he would prefer to do some magical mumbo jumbo and reward teeny wins out of no where.

Oh and the whole thing just feels a bit pseudo-random and a little bit compensated. IMO MG need to cut this 101 ways to lose type stuff as well. If I was going to deposit (which I can assure you won't be anytime soon) then I'd prefer to be able to choose the amount of lines that I would like to play.

This sounds like a rant but it's not... Okay maybe just a little... But seriously that's thirty minutes of my life I'll never get back :o
 
this is one 243 line slot where it seems to be just impossible to hit 5OAK of any character with or without wild....
 
I think Mark's post highlights an important issue which is being overlooked on this thread. i.e. Avalon 2 has nothing to do with Avalon 1

Avalon 1 was a very clever and at its time groundbreaking slot with some very specific touches (eg the extra wilds in free spins). Microgaming taking what is just another generic 243 line thing and calling it Avalon 2 is disrespectful and condescending to players of Avalon 1 in my opinion

Compare to WMS who when introducing Black Knight 2 even with its extra reels and lines have ensured the key elements of what makes Black Knight a great game have remained.

Five years ago I'd have said Microgaming were simply the best software provider. Nowadays they are increasingly just a bad joke in my eyes
 
I gave it a couple hundred spins in free mode, saw the dude wave his magic wand a few of times to award a random prize, but not a single bonus round. With so many different ones in there i expected to see at least one :confused: The RTP wasnt that bad though
 
Well most of my big wins have come from the 243 ways to win and I love these type of slots :D Many people want the chance of hitting a mega uber super dooper win which imo is why MG have been creating a lot of these type of slots. There aernt many standard line slots that have the payout potential of the 243 ways.
The only problem is that not many people will ever see them. But thats the nature of the game. Not many people will ever see the top 2 Jackpots on any of the mega moolahs but a lot of people play them because one day, one day, you just might.

Avalon II can be slow and it can go hundreds and hundreds of dead spins, but I have also seen it pay out well over a 1000 times my bet a couple of times and according to the pay table that is a SMALL win. If you dont like these type of slots fine, by all means dont play them but there are many of us who do enjoy them :)
 
Well most of my big wins have come from the 243 ways to win and I love these type of slots :D Many people want the chance of hitting a mega uber super dooper win which imo is why MG have been creating a lot of these type of slots. There aernt many standard line slots that have the payout potential of the 243 ways.

Sure you have the chance for a huge win.....however....The reason MG releases the 243 ways to win slot is to FORCE you to play all lines and suck every last cent from you. Trust me the 243 slots are a gold mine for MG.

I have never put a cent in any 243 slot. I have tried them in free play and that proved my point. Total money grab!!
 
Sure you have the chance for a huge win.....however....The reason MG releases the 243 ways to win slot is to FORCE you to play all lines and suck every last cent from you. Trust me the 243 slots are a gold mine for MG.

I have never put a cent in any 243 slot. I have tried them in free play and that proved my point. Total money grab!!

Fair one but imo you are simply denying yourself the chances of big wins. Thats whats the 243 liners are for. I grabbed this only an hour ago :)
 

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I think Mark's post highlights an important issue which is being overlooked on this thread. i.e. Avalon 2 has nothing to do with Avalon 1

Avalon 1 was a very clever and at its time groundbreaking slot with some very specific touches (eg the extra wilds in free spins). Microgaming taking what is just another generic 243 line thing and calling it Avalon 2 is disrespectful and condescending to players of Avalon 1 in my opinion

Compare to WMS who when introducing Black Knight 2 even with its extra reels and lines have ensured the key elements of what makes Black Knight a great game have remained.

Five years ago I'd have said Microgaming were simply the best software provider. Nowadays they are increasingly just a bad joke in my eyes

Well, to be fair, Thunderstruck and Thunderstruck II are nothing alike, and TSII remains one of the most popular MG games still to date. If Avalon II followed the same formula as playboy, TSII, IR etc, people would say it wasn't original enough.
 
I have forgiven Avalon 2 for eating my £47.00 with about 30% rtp now. Put a match £10 deposit down and after dropping to £8 it gave me a nice 200x win on the trailing wilds for £62.00 downside is I still have to wager another £270 to meet wager requirements so may switch to a lower variance to grind.
 
Me too!
I was cursing this thread last night for tempting me to play it again with only the final bonus round to get - $100 gone with barely a sniff of a win. :(
Quit and went to bed with only $60 left in my account.

Decided to go all or nothing this-morning, carrying on with my $1.50 bets - and was shocked to get the feature on my 10th spin of the day.
Nice result - Avalon forgiven! :thumbsup:
Total win from all the features was $545, spinning mostly at $1.50, with a bunch at $3.
 

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