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Attitude To Reverse Withdrawal (2012)

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by Simmo!, Feb 15, 2012.

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Do you stay loyal to casinos that utilise the Reverse Withdrawal concept?

  1. Yes as long as the reverse period is 48hrs or less.

    7 vote(s)
    6.4%
  2. Yes, as long as the reverse period is 24hrs or less.

    18 vote(s)
    16.5%
  3. Yes, but only if they offer manual flushing.

    45 vote(s)
    41.3%
  4. Yes. I actually see it as useful.

    2 vote(s)
    1.8%
  5. No. I'll play somewhere else.

    18 vote(s)
    16.5%
  6. I don't really care.

    19 vote(s)
    17.4%
    Feb 15, 2012
  1. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

    Occupation:
    Web Dev.
    Location:
    England
    In 2008, I set up a poll to measure attitudes to reverse Withdrawal. A lot has happened since then and a few threads recently have dealt with the subject so I am doing a new one to see if there is any shift in attitude or indeed even if it is a major factor.

    I'm not good with it myself as I have always been drawn in to anything I like (especially chocolate...mmmm!) but at least these days I recognise my weaknesses better and one of those preventative measures is to avoid casinos that allow reversing. I know I bang on about it but actually think that any operator who truly regards themselves as "responsible" will allow any player to request it's removal.

    In fact I am surprised that Alderney, Isle Of Man and other jurisdictions don't write this as a condition into licensing. I think if they really understood addiction they probably would but I (somewhat cynically?) suspect there is a compromise - or at least a very grey line - between business and social responsibility in some places.

    Edited To Add: I realise Americans have no choice but you are allowed to vote as you would if you had a choice - the poll is all about attitudes :)
     
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  2. Feb 15, 2012
  3. IanO

    IanO Regular Human

    Occupation:
    Marketing and promotions
    Location:
    Ireland.
    I'd just like to say that I feel there is a world of difference between sites that offer a reversal period, and those that actually encourage it.

    I dont much mind if there is a reversal period, as if I dont have the willpower to wait a couple of days then I feel thats my problem more than the casinos, but when a casino starts pushing or suggesting I reverse it (possibly even with some type of incentive) I feel thats a bit off. Much like being followed around a store by a 'helpful' clerk (''Can I help you buy something today sir?'' ''No, you cant... I'm capable of shopping on my own thanks'' - Not a huge deal but still can be a bit off putting)

    Allowing people to reverse rather than wait and re-deposit saves the casino time and money, and can be quite handy for players who may have re-deposited anyway because they were so happy the wd was flushed and rushed through. Multiply this by lots of players, and the savings can be considerable, allowing the casino to drect more of their budget to bonuses and prizes. I know thats not always where the spare money goes, but you see my point I'm sure. :)

    I'll be watching with interest to see what everyone else thinks.
     
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  4. Feb 15, 2012
  5. Seventh777

    Seventh777 RIP Roy

    Occupation:
    Builder, mainly renovations.
    Location:
    Planet Tharg, dark side, where nothing grows.
    Improvise this option by all means, but it should be entirely down to the player to use it or not.
     
  6. Feb 15, 2012
  7. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

    Occupation:
    Web Dev.
    Location:
    England
    With the cost of processing these days I can totally see the business sense in offering it but ...

    ...if you mean it should be down to the player to choose whether or not to have it removed, then I agree.

    I never really understood why a player regards it useful - can't they just leave the balance in their account if they don't want to cash out? :confused:
     
  8. Feb 15, 2012
  9. Surasanji

    Surasanji Experienced Member

    Occupation:
    Call-center customer support
    Location:
    Israel
    Sometimes I feel like a nut... Sometimes I don't!

    With the issues I have withdrawing (and depositing) at times, due to my country, having the option to Reverse is quite useful for me if I'd like to play some more- On larger wins, I request a flush!

    Little wins, easy to reverse!

    Best of both worlds, for me, at least.

    And some casinos will offer you bonuses/comp points/whatever with a reversal. So, I can continue to play if I so desire- with what amounts to a much larger 'deposit' than I am normally able to afford and reap the specific benefit of something similar to a deposit.

    With the manual flush option, I never need to worry about a late-night drunken mistake!
     
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  10. Feb 15, 2012
  11. conker

    conker CM Advisory Group admin - Meister Minions Manager CAG MM webmeister

    Occupation:
    Marketer
    Location:
    UK
    I have to agree with IanO in that reverse time is not really an issue until I am actually encouraged by a casino to go back in and gamble those funds. There are too many casinos that put profit (greed) ahead of ethics. What they don't realise is that genuine long term players are going to be turned off by this sort of behaviour. So once again it comes down to short-minded tactics and not seeing the bigger picture.

    If reverse time is something of a choice then I think people with problem gambling issues are more likely to have it available then switch it off. So it would have to be up to the industry to impose it - IMO :)
     
  12. Feb 15, 2012
  13. Dipity

    Dipity Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Web Designer
    Location:
    UK
    I don't mind it, as long as I can request a manual flush as and when I require.
     
  14. Feb 15, 2012
  15. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

    Occupation:
    House-Husband and Casino Advisor
    Location:
    Bexhill on sea, England
    I had to vote "don't care" :p
    Personally I have never felt the urge to reverse a withdrawal - it's just not an issue for me.

    However, I still don't think casinos should have these "pending periods" at all - cash-outs should be done with the same speed as deposits IMHO.

    KK
     
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  16. Feb 15, 2012
  17. Seventh777

    Seventh777 RIP Roy

    Occupation:
    Builder, mainly renovations.
    Location:
    Planet Tharg, dark side, where nothing grows.
    Yep, that`s entirely what I meant ;).
     
  18. Feb 15, 2012
  19. colly

    colly Senior Member MM PABaccred

    Occupation:
    Finance (Corporate Tax)
    Location:
    sydney
    Prefer to play at no reverse casinos or those that flush amd pay quickly= Inetbet, 32red , slotocash =however these days very few casinos do flush or allow no reversal= Its especially irritating with the 48 hr and then no weekend pay casinos as they leave the money for reverssal for over 5 days= after twice making a cashout on thursday and not receiving funds till tuesday (reversible alll that time) I decided NOT to play at casinos that do this except from sunday night to Tuesday.


    There is no reason any casino cannot make the funds non reversable even if they dont pay it out promptly= it may be convenient for some but frankly I think it is a con tactic to tempt people to play there winnings back.
     
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  20. Feb 15, 2012
  21. SkBurner

    SkBurner Experienced Member PABnonaccred

    Occupation:
    N/A
    Location:
    UK
    I put 'I don't really care' but only because I will play at some casino's (Betway for instance) where they have a 48 hour pending period and only flush for VIP's (I'm a non-VIP). They do however offer great regular bonuses but if there was a choice between a match bonus at 32Red or the same at Betway, 32Red would have my deposit all day long!

    I've never reversed a withdraw and would prefer to play at a casino that offered manual flushing (i.e. 32Red) or no pending at all (i.e. Ladbrokes, Bet365). But I'm a low-roller and like to take a bonus to extend my playtime which means depositing where I get offered a bonus.
     
  22. Feb 15, 2012
  23. samoas

    samoas Senior Member

    Occupation:
    Office manager in fine dining
    Location:
    Philly born & raised 2 traffic lights away
    If there was an "other" button, I would have voted. As a player in the US at RTG facilitities, we have no choice. I do my best to refrain from reversing when I have a decent cash-out pending. I hear 3Dice is quick, but unfortunately I am not a fan of the graphics.

    Back in the MG days, I would always flush and rarely ever asked for a reversal.
     
  24. Feb 15, 2012
  25. anniemac

    anniemac Ueber Meister MM PABnoaccred

    Occupation:
    retired
    Location:
    Texas, USA
    What samoas said. :thumbsup:

    I remember the 'good old days' of being able to play anywhere I wanted to, being able to request a withdrawal flush and getting paid within hours.

    If there was a casino offering US players the option of flushing a withdrawal and no pending period, they would get my vote.
     
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  26. Feb 15, 2012
  27. harrys99

    harrys99 Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Bar Business/Office Management
    Location:
    Wherever I Want
    Ditto
     
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  28. Feb 15, 2012
  29. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

    Occupation:
    Web Dev.
    Location:
    England
    I realise you Americans have no choice but you are allowed to vote as you would if you had a choice - the poll is all about attitudes :)
     
  30. Feb 15, 2012
  31. BustedFlush

    BustedFlush Account suspended until further notice

    Occupation:
    Driver
    Location:
    Midlands
    The reverse period is nothing more than 'leaving the cake on the table' - once you're full up you'll leave it for a few hours, then when stomach has a bit of room you'll go and take another slice......

    If you play at Boyles, Ladbrokes etc. you can't reverse and you need to redeposit. You can do this as many times as you want.

    I never play Playtech for this reason, the horrendous 96-hour pending period.
     
  32. Feb 15, 2012
  33. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

    Occupation:
    Web Dev.
    Location:
    England
    Boyles is Playtech now by the way - and no reverse either :)
     
  34. Feb 15, 2012
  35. BustedFlush

    BustedFlush Account suspended until further notice

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    Driver
    Location:
    Midlands
    I stand corrected. It was Wagerworks when I played there....:notworthy

    Why have big names like PP nad BS started going from WW to Playtech?

    Wagerworks were always my favourite games, seem to have stagnated and shrunk.
     
  36. Feb 15, 2012
  37. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

    Occupation:
    Web Dev.
    Location:
    England
    IGT decided to withdraw the Wagerworks platform so casinos like Paddy, Boyle, Grosvenor, Blue Sq etc had to shift platforms. Some clever Playtech marketing bod offered them a deal I guess as they have all added a Playtech casino.

    However, in all cases except Boyles (which will also follow at some point) the IGT sots have been retained and moved into their "Games" section. The terminology "Games" is a bit misleading (historical) because most casinos now have the "real" casino slots there. Should really start calling it "Instant Casino" or something.

    To be honest it's all going "open" at the moment so it probably won't be long before everyone has everything LOL.
     
  38. Feb 15, 2012
  39. BustedFlush

    BustedFlush Account suspended until further notice

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    Location:
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    Yes, that's the impression I'm getting, Virgin being a good example.
     

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