Atlantic Interbet

[RJVBU]

RE: BONUS MONEY FOR NON-PLAYING FORMER MEMBERS...

I always thought that the "execs" at AiB were missing a screw or two, now I know for sure. Why a business would risk losing their loyal, repeat business to bring back lost customers is beyond my comprehension. Sure. Everyone wants to retrieve that "fish that got away" but you don't dump the rest of your catch in the ocean to do it. That is what AiB has done. In an attempt to bring back people who obviously decided to no longer play there for one reason or another, they have lost some of the people who, win or lose, have been there every single day, spending their money, building up the tournaments, virtually keeping the place from becoming a morgue.

And what is their reply to our inquisitions about this matter? "They are working on something for the regulars". Pfooey. Why weren't the "regulars" taken care of first? Top rule of business... take care of your repeat customers, their loyalty can make or break your business and they are the only ones who will be left in the end. Unless, of course, you allow them to walk out the door.

Besides... what in the world could they possibly do now that would extinguish the anger we feel? What can they give us that will not feel like a token meant to simply pacify us? Are we to feel that our worth is being measured by some two bit exec who doesn't have the common sense to build his house out of bricks? No matter what they do now, for some (or many), it will not be enough.

I have removed my funds from this site. I will not play in a place where my patronage is appreciated less that that of someone who has long since departed. Besides... if the current situation is any indication of the way AiB does business, it's obviously more beneficial to the player to leave.

 

[BABYGIRL7]

TO THE EXECUTIVES (?) WHO RUN AIB:

EXTREMELY CURIOUS AS TO WHY YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SAY? YOU WERE VERY VOCAL BEFORE YOU GOT CAUGHT IN THIS MOUSE TRAP!!!! THEN AGAIN, WHAT COULD YOU SAY TO POSSIBLY RECTIFY THIS FATAL ERROR YOU MADE?

 

[razl]

Over the past few days, some serious allegations have been made regarding AIB's business "ethics". I guess integrity has been restored to AIB since at least one of the players who posted here has returned to AIB and played in a tournament this morning. Since she originally stated that "When the explanation is given, we will then decide whether or not to return.", I feel it is only fitting that she post the explanation here for all to see, if she is to have any credibility whatsoever.

 

[BABYGIRL7]

TO RAZL:
YOU SEEM TO HAVE A BUG UP YOUR A$$ AND CONSTANTLY TRY TO PUT ME ON THE DEFENSIVE END OF A CONVERSATION. YES I WENT BACK IN AND PLAYED BUT AS USUAL YOU HAVE NO CONCEPT OF WHAT YOU ARE POSTING, THEREFORE, THE REST OF THIS EXPLANATION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU.

TO ALL AIB PLAYERS:

I HAD A MEETING WITH MARK LAST NIGHT. APPARENTLY, HE IS DESIGNING A PROGRAM THAT WILL TRACK ALL OF THE PAST GAMBLING THAT THE REGULAR PLAYERS HAVE DONE. IT IS AT THAT TIME, THAT THE REGULAR PLAYERS WILL RECEIVE THEIR BONUSES. I CHOSE TO BELIEVE MARK, SIMPLY BECAUSE HE SEEMED SINCERE AND ASKED ME TO BE PATIENT. HE UNDERSTOOD WHY EVERYONE WAS UPSET, SINCE NON-PLAYING PLAYERS WERE GIVEN GENEROUS BONUSES, WHILE THE REGULAR PLAYERS WERE NOT GIVEN ANYTHING. HOWEVER, HE ASSURED ME THAT THE "REGULARS" ARE NOT FORGOTTEN AND WILL BE TAKEN CARE OF.

AS I GET MORE INFORMATION, I WILL POST IT HERE..

 

[razl]

BABYGIRL, thank you for the update. Please excuse any typing errors as I find it difficult to type while sitting on that bug........lol. Happy New Year and have a very good year at the casinos. See you at the tables......

 

[BABYGIRL7]

TO AIB PLAYERS AND EXECUTIVES:

NOTICE THAT NOT ONE OF THE NON-PLAYING FORMER MEMBERS OF AIB COME TO THE SITE! THEY CAME FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS, STAYED FOR A COUPLE OF TOURNEYS AND NOW THEY ARE GONE.

I WONDER IF THE EXECUTIVES ARE KICKING THEMSELVES IN THE BUTT FOR NOT TAKING CARE OF THEIR REGULAR PLAYERS FIRST?

MARK, DO NOT LET ME DOWN! YOU PROMISED THAT THE REGULAR PLAYERS ARE NOT FORGOTTEN AND WE WILL BE GETTING BONUSES. IT IS ON THE BASIS, OF YOUR WORD ALONE, THAT MANY OF US ARE STILL HERE. AS FOR WRITING TO ROGER, I DID, APPARENTLY HE HAS TROUBLE FIGURING OUT HOW TO ANSWER AN EMAIL. LMAO!

 

[BL141]

A WARNING TO ALL ONLINE PLAYERS:

Atlantic Interbet is offering a $25 bonus for playing in one of their tournaments. As an online casino player, I first went in and checked out the tournaments before falling for this $25 ball and chain.

I had the unfortunate experience of watching their Super Tournament last night, and when the winner of the $100 prize was announced, apparently it was one of the pit bosses who work at Atlantic Interbet.

Well, that was enough for me. This site needs a complete overhaul and obviously they know nothing about rules and regulations of the casino industry.

Thank Goodness I did not ever buy into this mouse trap!

 

[Wendy]

Atlantic interbet offers a $25 bonus to our new patrons, for simply playing in one of our MANY wonderful tournaments.. YES, this is FACT. Our wonderful staff has the opportunity to game with their own funds, as players, when off duty, this is also a FACT. Yes.. one of the winners of ONE super tourney was a staff member, spending their own money, congrats! to her, as she has never won a super tourney prior to last night. If our staff wanted to cheat, they wouldn't be so blantant about usign an online alias so many know.. think about it!

The competition is fair, their is no foul play, the tournaments are scrutinized. Try them out! You'll find nothing better on the net. Players will vent when they don't win, its an unfortunate state when some have to be "poor sports" in the competition. See for yourself what fun their is in the 14 hours of daily tournaments we offer our patrons.

AiB's tournament schedule can be requested via email, by joining our tournament email club, simply join by emailing tournaments@winning.com, and we hope to see you all in the casino soon to take advantage of the $25 sign on bonus..

Good luck & keep gaming!!

***Wendy
www.atlanticinterbet.com
AiB Pit Boss

 

[***osito]

I Ran the Super Tourney in Question and it was run fairly and honestly , there were 5 players for most of the tournament and 4 of those 5 were in 1st place at any given time during the tournament. The scores were close and the winner nailed 2 great hands near the end and won by less than 1% ( winning margin was 0.41%) The tournaments are fair , off duty staff plays sometimes with their own deposited cash and This is the first time an off duty staff person has ever won a super. Everyone knows who the off duty staff person is so a claim of cheating is highly moronic, plus we don't care who wins and we never will.

***osito
www.atlanticinterbet.com
AiB Pit Boss

 

[NoneYaBizness]

Hmmm... I've played in just about every tournament AiB holds. Until very recently, the staff person in question has rarely been seen in the casino, much less playing in the tournaments. Wendy, as for your claim that this is "the first super tournament she has ever won"... funny that it is also the first super tournament she has ever played in (at least in the past several weeks or months). Beginner's luck? Coincidence? BA HA HA HA HA. There's an awful lot of that around AiB now isn't there?! And Osito... The player who came in 2nd had been in first for most the tournament. It is my understanding that he ALSO got the same "2 great hands" near the end of the tournament but it obviously wasn't enough for him to win (even though he had held the lead for a long time). Maybe the pitboss got that great hand in a better suit. PFFT! I think it's funny that you all feel the need to post NOW when you feel your integrity is at stake. Why haven't you ever felt the need to post before this? Guilt maybe? If anyone is MORONIC I think we all know who it is. The person/people who think we are so stupid and blind that we can't see the crap that's being pulled.

 

[BL141]

To NoneYaBizness:

Excellent Post!!!!! I now know that I definitely made the right decision not to play at Atlantic Interbet! Thank you for confirming what I saw and felt about AIB.

 

[RJVBU]

I am the person (SHE/HER/Female LOL) that was beaten by the pitboss in the tournament in question. I can not say that she did not have better hands than I did because I just don't know. I can't see them. What I do know is I had some awesome hands throughout the freeride portion of the tournament. The only thing I don't understand and that I have trouble with is this... Osito is the ONLY pitboss who has ever had their clock set at even close to "real time" (not just in my world but in other patron's worlds as well). In every tournament where time has been mentioned, he has been within a minute of my computer clock on my taskbar. (I am obsessive/compulsive about time.) For this particular tournament there was a point where he mentioned an exact time "we'll be finished at 10:37" however, according to my computer clock (which, again, has always been within a minute of his) the tournament ended at 10:41+. This is an error margin of at least 3 minutes overage. My question is... just how many of those GREAT hands were gotten within that time frame? When the tournament should have been over? I guess I will never know but I will keep a pen & paper next to my computer to keep track of time in the future. Since we all know that the pits can "see" the scores as they are changing anyway, it stands to logic that they also can stop a tournament at any time that is advantageous.

I like to think the best of people, I like to think that people treat me fairly just as I treat them (read my profile... deal with honor, act with courage, refuse to fail). I do know there are plenty of people in the world who don't however and because of this I will be more cautious in the future and remove myself from any situation where I feel the odds are stacked so highly against me.

P.S..... I would like to offer this challenge to Osito & Wendy.... please name ONE casino in Las Vegas or Atlantic City that allows their personnel to gamble in their casino during their off time. From what I have been told, there are none. Your pitboss should come up with another name and protect her anonymity in the future should she wish to play against the non-employee patrons. I think this would benefit everyone.

 

[Wendy]

AiB tourney directors will no longer be playing in any name, as it seems it upsets some of our patrons, and we want to honor their wishes. AiB stands behind its integrity and thanks you for your continued support and patronage and we value your thoughts!

 

[***osito]

The Tournament lasted exactly the amount of time that it should have , it did not go over. Tracking was stopped at exactly 10:37. That was the time on my PC and the length of the tournament was correct as stated in the rules. I never go over the time on a tournament , i am very down to the second on things like that , it is rare i make a mistake on any aspect of time and Never at the end of a tournament. I'm not going to question RJ's clock, there is simply nothing to be gained and everything to be lost by going 4 minutes over on a tourney, and that was not what happened in this case. This is my job and i take it seriously , i don't make timing mistakes that effect outcomes of events ever, none of the Tournament directors do. I reiterate that no one cares who wins a tournament , first and foremost on our minds is that it runs smoothly and there are no problems.

 

[BABYGIRL7]

OK LETS GET ALL THE FACTS STRAIGHT!

I will address each of you one at a time:

RJVBU - you were outright ROBBED! I told everyone before the tourney started that the pitboss would win.

Wendy - thank you for no longer allowing employees of AIB to play in tournaments. According to the rules and regulations of the Gaming Commission in Atlantic City, as well as in Las Vegas, no employee is allowed to gamble where they work. They can, however, gamble at another casino.

Osito - I saved the best for last! You NEVER make a timing mistake? I distinctly remember you making a 5 minute error because you were chatting with me. So dont say NEVER Osito, we all make errors, intentional or not. The Tournament did not end at 10:37, and the reason I know that it was supposed to end at that time, was because you said it to 4Ducks (some memory huh?)! Now, since it did not end on time, ENIGMA (HRTOFQUEEN) was able to make these two GREAT HANDS (which she so proudly screamed out as she made them...hmmmmm)
and caused RJVBU to lose the tournament.

Now everyone knows exactly what happened!!!!

 

[Mark@iB]

A Simple Solution For The Problems...

BABYGIRL:
You'll be happy to hear that as of next week, software has been written to allow tournaments to no longer be affected by time constraints. Most of the tournies will gradually move over to a set amount of hands to be played. For example, instead of announcing "everyone play video poker for 30 minutes" it will be "take your time, play at your own speed, and after 100 rounds, the servers will alert you that your play has ended, and you can stand up and await the results" - the benefits of this are obvious: you can be booted now, and still come back and finish your hands without worrying about losing time. This should alleviate everyone's concerns, as should the new policy Atlantic Interbet has made regarding tournament directors ever playing in the tournaments again. Though they know everything is on the level, it's easier to stop them from playing than trying to convince you it's all fair

Re: Comp Program, it's still being worked on, and bonuses to existing players should happen shortly, when AIB gets the new comp module/code from us. Just like in real casinos, you'll now be awarded for your gameplay drop, in a beginning-of-the-month-bonus added to your account, whether you win or lose, based on a formula the real casinos actually use.

Re: The individual who claimed their 40,000 plays of the video poker resulted in fewer 2 of clubs.. having designed the video pokers and the RNG (which is SOLID), I have several comments: (1) 40,000 hands of ANYTHING isn't a good sample to base your conclusion on. However, I do thank you for the comments on your site indicating you acknowledge this. (2) Why a lower amount of 2 of clubs? What's the point behind this? What does it gain? I don't follow your theory, but (3) I cordially invite you to discuss your findings further in email. As the programmer behind the interBet engine, I defend it fiercely (and with pride), and will go out of my way to share your findings/statistics with the public, provided your sampling is not biased. 40,000 hands isn't sufficient for me to blink twice, especially over a claim there's a reduction in a specific card, which is ludicrous and serves no purpose. Like you stated, the interBet Recorder goes out of its way to record ALL hands played and the data available to the player (even via a friendly export to file option), further proof there is nothing to hide

Regards,

-Mark @ interBet

 

[***osito]

hi again the tourney ended at 10:37pm est as stated on my clock , also yes i did make a 5 minute error one time due to BABYGIRL she is correct because of her a 45 minute tournament that normally = 2 , 20 minute sessions and a 5 minute break ended up being a 25 minute session , 5 minute break , 15 minute session, hardly the end of life on earth


***osito
AiB Pitboss
www.atlanticinterbet.com

 

[RJVBU]

To Mark:

Wait one minute... You are going to BEGIN giving us bonuses based on our drops? What about all the drops we've made in the past? Does this mean to sugarcoat the fact that you gave bonuses to players who haven't made drops in a long time? Does this excuse the fact that you were so concerned with regaining lost business that you failed to look at the only business that is keeping you on your feet? I don't want to be compensated for what I may or may not drop in the future. I want the same consideration that those LOST patrons received. What about the thousands of dollars we have spent in the amount of time those people have been gone? A time period when they weren't spending anything? I guess we don't count for much. You mislead Babygirl7. You made her believe in you. And in a sick perverted way I suppose that means I believed in you because I believed in her. I told her to be apprehensive you your doubled edged tongue. You led us all to believe that our bonus was forthcoming. That it was going to be based on our past gambling habits just as those "lost sheep" bonuses were. But that's a crock now isn't it Mark? You never have had any intention of going back and rectifying this situation from a "past" standpoint. Only on a going forward basis.

That sucks and you know it. But better yet, so does everyone else.

 

[BABYGIRL7]

This will be my last post here regarding AIB:

Mark, you know very well that generous bonuses were sent to non-playing former members as an incentive to get them to come back to AIB. When you and I spoke, you assured me that the REGULAR PLAYERS WOULD NOT BE FORGOTTEN, AND THAT BASED ON OUR PAST PLAY AT AIB WE WILL ALSO BE GIVEN BONUSES. Now am I to understand that this is not true? That you are developing a program that will comp us for our future gambling and not the past? If this is the case, come clean. You have a tendency to talk in circles, give it to us straight! I look forward to your posting your answer here...this way all EXISTING AIB PLAYERS can read it themselves.

Osito, you really are a funny guy. I cannot believe that you said it was my fault that the break did not occur at the time it should have. Do I work for AIB or do you? Therefore, try accepting responsibilty for your own errors instead of trying to pass the buck... It is called growing up sweetheart. In any event, thanks for the laugh!

I have chosen not to post here ever again. I look forward to Mark's response but that is it. Whether I choose to go back and play or not, AIB is no longer any concern of mine.

 

[Mike from Oz]

Just want to respond to Mark; he said:

<, Re: The individual who claimed their 40,000 plays of the video poker resulted in fewer 2 of clubs..

Actually, it was the 2 of spades. The suit doesn't matter, of course. But the rank certainly does, when the game is deuces wild!

<, having designed the video pokers and the RNG (which is SOLID), I have several comments:

<, (1) 40,000 hands of ANYTHING isn't a good sample to base your conclusion on.

That's a more or less valid comment, but I did mention that on the page. But if the results are off by more than a certain amount, then you CAN base conclusions on just 40,000 hands. Suppose the number of deuces were 10% of what is expected... then this result would be (I'm guessing here) more than 10 standard deviations from the norm, and it would be statistically significant. I put the difference at 2.5 standard deviations, which is getting towards definite. It's significant at about the 99% confidence level, I think. I'll be the first to admit that I'm rusty on these figures, but I think that's right.

<, However, I do thank you for the comments on your site indicating you acknowledge this.

Thanks.

<, (2) Why a lower amount of 2 of clubs? What's the point behind this? What does it gain? I don't follow your theory, but

? Perhaps I neglected to indicate that this was a deuces wild game. Overall, ALL the deuces were down by 309 compared to expected (the 2 of spades much more than that); that's 2.5 standard deviations by my calculations. I mention the 2 of spades only as an outstanding figure, and of a possible mechanism: suppose every tenth time the random number generator were to choose the 2 of spades, it instead chose say the 7 of clubs, or just chose again randomly. That would cause a huge disadvantage to the player, since he would make less 3 of a kinds, straights, etc etc all the way to wild royal flushes. A wild card is a very powerful card to have; just being dealt one deuce is worth about your whole bet. Being dealt 3 of them is worth something like 17 times your bet. I hope that this is obvious!

<, (3) I cordially invite you to discuss your findings further in email.

OK, good idea; I'll initiate that shortly. I just had to reply here, because you seemed to give the impression that varying the number of deuces dealt was no big deal. The exact percentage of deuces dealt has a huge effect on the player's expected return.

Please note that I don't mean that there has to be a deliberate change to the algorithm to cause this sort of bias. Typical nieve code for selecting cards might be to call some random number generator library function that returns a number from 0 to 32767, say, and dividing that number by 52 (keeping only the remainder). That for example could add an unintended bias to the deal, since 32767 isn't that much larger than 52, and there is a sort of "remainder effect". In this case, assuming that the deuces are represented by the values 0-3, they would be MORE likely than average to be chosen, since 630*52 = 32760, so over 32768 numbers, you would expect cards 0-7 to appear 631 times, and all the others 630 times. (You would also get .16% extra threes, as well as twos). Without very thorough testing, this might get through undetected, but the extra deuces could cost the casino dearly. Or if the lower numbers did not select deuces, they would cost the player dearly. Note however that I measured a 1.9% deficit of deuces, an effect ten times more pronounced than this hypothetical and unintended error.


<, As the programmer behind the interBet engine, I
defend it fiercely (and with pride), and will go out of my way to share your findings/statistics with the public, provided your sampling is not biased.

Well, that's a great attitude, and I commend you for it.

- Mike from Oz

 

[***osito]

welcome Baby , always glad to provide comic relief ;-) Thank you for the compliment


***osito
AiB Pitboss
www.atlanticinterbet.com

 

[ibmamabear]

Mark. I read your posting and would like to make a comment about the comp program. In reading it, it sounds like the faithful loyal players won't get anything until beginning with the new comp program and then only drops from then on. I hope I am reading it wrong. I think the faithful loyal players should be rewarded for past loyalty as we have not deserted AiB. We may rebel sometimes, but we are always here, long after the ones that deserted, came back, spent their bonus and then left again, or alot of the new ones that come in for their $25 (which by the way alot of us didn't get since we started way before you started giving these out to new players).

Suggestion: Give all faithful loyal patrons a one time NICE bonus (this can be based on how long they have been playing there if the programming can't track previous drops) and then start the new program. I think that is the only fair thing to do.

 

[Mark @ iB]

RJVBU * iBMamabear: I think you misunderstood my post. It was my understanding that AIB would be offering the patrons a one-time bonus based on their past drop, and then the comp program would "kick in" for the present. Sorry if I painted a different picture! (iBmamabear thanks for the benefit of the doubt!)

Mike From Oz-Ok, of course, it's all clear now. I was thinking regular video poker, nothing wild. I'm curious now as to your finding, and would like to offer the following as an honest/fair attempt to rectify your discrepency:

1. I'll write a mini program tomorrow, built into an .EXE, that will go through 9,999,999 iterations of video poker, tallying up the frequency of ALL cards, and dumping the results onto the screen, or text file.

2. I'll even give you the source code for the executable, which you can look over for fairness. if you don't know programming, Im sure someone on this list does and will step in and offer their scrutiny.

3. The results of the 9 mill iterations will be shared with the readers of this forum.

This test will only prove one thing: that the RNG isn't indeed flawed. After we prove this, the next step is to physically have Mike play at Atlantic interBet Casino, at which point his hands will be officially tracked by both parties. For all we know, the program Mike wrote himself which reads through the Recorder logfile is flawed, which would certainly explain his bizarre anomaly.

Does this sound reasonable to you, Mike? All I asked in return is your findings published on your home page.

-Mark @ iB

 

[sirius]

Well I tried AtlanticInterbet today...

It's such a con it's funny. I mean have you ever 'practised' playing the scratch cards offline. You win $50 every couple of goes for a $1 bet and you get $444 every few goes on the $4 bet! I thought this looks good. I'll make a few thousand $$ and then quit. I don't want to get too greedy. When you play online it's totally different of course. (I want some compensation for this trick you pulled)

 

[RJVBU]

To Mark:

Thank you for posting your explanation of the bonus program. Obviously it was misinterpreted by more than just myself. (You should choose your wording a little more carefully in the future when dealing with such a volatile issue.) My apologies for my hostility.

However, when you approached me at the site I was at a disadvantage being in the middle of a tournament AND holding/feeding my 2 month old baby. You left before I had the chance to finish my final page to you....

I will think through and be more considerate in my postings from here forward and you in turn will NEVER speak to me like I am a child again. I am a 39 year old woman with three children and the last I knew, freedom of speech was still upheld by the constitution.

I have extended you the courtesy of an apology and will make every attempt to control my red-head hot temperedness until I think things through in the future. I hope you, however, will extend the same courtesy to me by not insulting my intelligence and treating me like an adult at all times.


RJ