Q&A Ask Me Anything about Slots (AMA) 2020 with Trancemonkey

Mark_32Red (retired acct)

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Exactly. The max payout at any offered stake on a game really shouldn't exceed their T&C maximum payout.

This is an interesting point to debate IMO. I completely see where you are coming from, but... let’s say a slot pays 100x for 5 Bananas, 10,000x for 5 scatters and 100,000x for 5 wilds - someone may want to spin at £10 a spin (for example) and win £1,000 for the bananas, £100k for 5 scatters even though they would be capped in the unlikely event of hitting 5 wilds?

Sports betting would be another example. Let’s say I pick 4 horses and they are 10/1. I might still do £100ew accumulator even though the maximum payout would be hit if they all won. Why? Well if they all placed, I’d get more than putting £25ew on.

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I'd love the word "random" to be banned from this thread, or at least relegated to it's own thread.
There's so many interesting questions we could be getting answers for but somehow it always comes back to; "so just how "random" are slots"?

Don't get me wrong; I myself often feel they are rigged; but I'm able to overcome that and realise it's just my stupid mammal brain.

Aside from Quikspin which are legit just rigged.

I suppose I should've actually posed a question.. So I guess here's one:

A loooong time ago I was offered a job doing graphics for Pacific games (the then competitor to Aristocrat in Australia) - I was at that point an absolute hopeless, degenerate gambling addict.

How many people working in the industry do you estimate are "problem gamblers"?

And does that pose a problem? For eg; if I'd had a terrible night and lost my months pay check, going in to work the next morning I might be somewhat inclined to include a little backdoor on the slot I was working on...

I'd love to hear stories about those kind of shenanigans.
 

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I thought this kind of thing was not allowed.

Not all of them are easy to make out, but you can easily tell the $100 and the 8 (8 is the lowest amount of freespins, so if its single digit its 8) free games were going to drop in next spin, which they did.
And it wasnt a fluke, its for every spin.
I thought all outcomes were supposed to be possible for each separate spin.
This is from the basegame.

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This is pretty much same as Eggomatic or that reskin of that game.
 

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This is pretty much same as Eggomatic or that reskin of that game.
Its similar, but on those games i cant see/know the outcome for the next spin, so every spin could award me the jackpot (50fs or whatever would be considered the jackpot on those)
On Congo cash i see what will drop in for the next spin.
 

Kroffe

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I'd love the word "random" to be banned from this thread, or at least relegated to it's own thread.
There's so many interesting questions we could be getting answers for but somehow it always comes back to; "so just how "random" are slots"?

Don't get me wrong; I myself often feel they are rigged; but I'm able to overcome that and realise it's just my stupid mammal brain.

Aside from Quikspin which are legit just rigged.

I suppose I should've actually posed a question.. So I guess here's one:

A loooong time ago I was offered a job doing graphics for Pacific games (the then competitor to Aristocrat in Australia) - I was at that point an absolute hopeless, degenerate gambling addict.

How many people working in the industry do you estimate are "problem gamblers"?

And does that pose a problem? For eg; if I'd had a terrible night and lost my months pay check, going in to work the next morning I might be somewhat inclined to include a little backdoor on the slot I was working on...

I'd love to hear stories about those kind of shenanigans.
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I suppose I should've actually posed a question.. So I guess here's one:

A loooong time ago I was offered a job doing graphics for Pacific games (the then competitor to Aristocrat in Australia) - I was at that point an absolute hopeless, degenerate gambling addict.

How many people working in the industry do you estimate are "problem gamblers"?

And does that pose a problem? For eg; if I'd had a terrible night and lost my months pay check, going in to work the next morning I might be somewhat inclined to include a little backdoor on the slot I was working on...

I'd love to hear stories about those kind of shenanigans.
I have no stats or recent research at hand for this, been a few years since I've seen any.

But if I remember correctly gambling issues, and more specifically people actually being in danger of developing gambling issues are a fair bit higher in the industry. I guess it goes with being surrounded by gambling all the time unfortunately.

I do know that many companies focus on this and have solid routines in place to help potential gambling addicts.

I don't know of any cases where anyone have done "shenanigans", and I don't see how anyone working for a legit company would be able to either.

I assume there have been cases of theft from employers to finance habits, but to the best of my knowledge nothing that have affected customers.
 

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I have read of (but that's as far as it goes, no real info) exploits, loop holes, tells etc etc over the years, sadly never got to take advantage of any :p (That been said even if I did probably wouldn't bother risking it)

Frankenstein by Netent was one, love to know the deal with that slot now its all fixed (or gone altogether maybe?)

Now land based exploits, emptiers etc is a whole different story :thumbsup:
 

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I have read of (but that's as far as it goes, no real info) exploits, loop holes, tells etc etc over the years, sadly never got to take advantage of any :p (That been said even if I did probably wouldn't bother risking it)
Lets not confuse bad game mechanics and maths with the games being intended to being open for abuse or advantageous play :)

There was a big title in 2020 that was abusable, and definitely not what they aimed for.
 

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Lets not confuse bad game mechanics and maths with the games being intended to being open for abuse or advantageous play :)

There was a big title in 2020 that was abusable, and definitely not what they aimed for.
Street fighter?
They screwed up making the betsize for the bonus the average used if im not mistaken, so you could grind it on min stake and unlock with big bets to gain advantage.
 

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Yeah how comes the exhaustive, forensic testing never discovered that :D
Well I guess they did not test for abusive/optimal play. There was nothing wrong with the RTP etc. when the game was played as they intended I'm sure there was no issues. But I do not work for NE so can't really say what was tested and not etc.
 

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Street fighter?
They screwed up making the betsize for the bonus the average used if im not mistaken, so you could grind it on min stake and unlock with big bets to gain advantage.
Hasn't that been the main exploit vector pretty much every time?
I'm sure they've made that mistake at least three times.
 

Kroffe

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Hasn't that been the main exploit vector pretty much every time?
I'm sure they've made that mistake at least three times.
Dont know to be honest.
Ive only heard about street fighter when it comes to this kind of exploit.
There have probably been alot more exploits around than just the ones we hear about.
Most probably get fixed pretty quick.
 

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I suppose I should've actually posed a question.. So I guess here's one:

A loooong time ago I was offered a job doing graphics for Pacific games (the then competitor to Aristocrat in Australia) - I was at that point an absolute hopeless, degenerate gambling addict.

How many people working in the industry do you estimate are "problem gamblers"?

And does that pose a problem? For eg; if I'd had a terrible night and lost my months pay check, going in to work the next morning I might be somewhat inclined to include a little backdoor on the slot I was working on...

I'd love to hear stories about those kind of shenanigans.
Not slots but the Ultimate Bet / Absolute Poker 'God Mode' scandal springs to mind, where you had gamblers getting access to player hole cards on the software and taking them to the cleaners

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Lets not confuse bad game mechanics and maths with the games being intended to being open for abuse or advantageous play :)

There was a big title in 2020 that was abusable, and definitely not what they aimed for.

Thing is how does you "average Joe" know its a bad mechanic and not put there on purpose?

Although on my example given there was probably no ill intent, you can understand how this sort of thing casts a shadow among cynics and novices alike....
 

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Thing is how does you "average Joe" know its a bad mechanic and not put there on purpose?

Although on my example given there was probably no ill intent, you can understand how this sort of thing casts a shadow among cynics and novices alike....
Ever mistake can be put down to some "evil intent" if someone wants to posit that.
 

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Indeed, I was trying to explain why CM gets so many of these foil hat and questionable type posts/threads :)
Because there are always a vocal minority (of which there are many of this board) that like to think everything is rigged or a conspiracy. They fail to understand that mistakes happen
 

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Thing is how does you "average Joe" know its a bad mechanic and not put there on purpose?

Although on my example given there was probably no ill intent, you can understand how this sort of thing casts a shadow among cynics and novices alike....
By CM logic for this to be evil intent it would need to have a special RTP for Gonzo, bloaty and Zoe that's lower than 20% ;)

As in this specific case it benefit the players tht abused it, it's clearly a mistake.
 

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Gimme strength lol

Last post on the matter

I am giving an explanation as to why those NOT IN THE KNOW may think and post this way

I personally DO NOT require an explanation or telling slots are all above board, If I thought they were truly rigged, I would have stopped playing years back.

I've been around long enough both playing wise and reading these boards to know the score :thumbsup:
 
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