Q&A Ask Me Anything about Slots (AMA) 2020 with Trancemonkey

Playford7

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Gimme strength lol

Last post on the matter

I am giving an explanation as to why those NOT IN THE KNOW may think and post this way

I personally DO NOT require an explanation or telling slots are all above board, If I thought they were truly rigged, I would have stopped playing years back.

I've been around long enough both playing wise and reading these boards to know the score :thumbsup:
So your saying they are rigged?
 

bamberfishcake

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Regarding RTP - my understanding is that slots are not just tested but continually monitored at different bet levels to ensure performance (at least that's what the UKGC say).

So I wondered what happens if a slot is not performing within the required parameters?
 

SlotLizard

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I had the idea of a slot that would allow the player to decide on most aspects of it. How much combinations pay, how does the bonus work from a list of options, random features from a list of options, hit and trigger chances, lines or ways, that sort of thing. It would state how much RTP does every option contribute, and the current RTP with the defined settings - and of course the RTP would have to be capped somewhere in the usual (less and less so nowadays) range 96-97%, beyond which you may not select more options that would increase it, but could for instance reduce the RTP by reducing pays if you wanted, say, an appropriately higher random feature/bonus chance to bump it back to the cap RTP. What do you think of it, is it an unrealistic idea? :) @trancemonkey
 

colinsunderland

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@trancemonkey I think this has been asked and answered, but what information do game providers get from the casino about customers? I thought it was very limited information but just read this on a casinos privacy policy

Casino game providers​

We use a number of different casino game providers, which are integrated to our websites. When playing these games, the service providers can access and process some of your personal data (such as your first name, last name, username, country, language, currency, IP address, contact details (phone or email) and your gender). You will be able to see the specific game provider when starting a specific game. You can find a list of current game providers below:

  • NetEnt
  • MicroGaming
  • Evolution Gaming
  • Play 'N GO
  • Yggdrasil
  • NYX Gaming
  • Quickspin
  • Scientific Games
  • Relax Gaming
  • No Limit City
  • Push Gaming
  • Big Time Gaming
  • Pragmatic Play
  • Thunderkick
  • Elk Studios
  • Blueprint
  • GIG Games
  • iSoftbet
  • Red Tiger Gaming
 

Mr_Slot5

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@trancemonkey I think this has been asked and answered, but what information do game providers get from the casino about customers? I thought it was very limited information but just read this on a casinos privacy policy

Casino game providers​

We use a number of different casino game providers, which are integrated to our websites. When playing these games, the service providers can access and process some of your personal data (such as your first name, last name, username, country, language, currency, IP address, contact details (phone or email) and your gender). You will be able to see the specific game provider when starting a specific game. You can find a list of current game providers below:

  • NetEnt
  • MicroGaming
  • Evolution Gaming
  • Play 'N GO
  • Yggdrasil
  • NYX Gaming
  • Quickspin
  • Scientific Games
  • Relax Gaming
  • No Limit City
  • Push Gaming
  • Big Time Gaming
  • Pragmatic Play
  • Thunderkick
  • Elk Studios
  • Blueprint
  • GIG Games
  • iSoftbet
  • Red Tiger Gaming
There's no real reason providers should be privy to that information. All the provider needs to do is complete the request by the end user when spin is pressed surely? All that's needed from the provider is an RNG result

I remember someone on here analysing the information that was sent when spin is pressed and I'm sure I remember them saying that info such as last withdrawal etc is sent too. Why?
 

PuddleFish

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When playing these games, the service providers can access and process some of your personal data (such as your first name, last name, username, country, language, currency, IP address, contact details (phone or email) and your gender)

This depends on the integration to the casino and what the casino wants to give out. No one that I know of gives out all the information you write. Normally its just ip (they get this indirectly since you talk to their servers), country, language, currency and a external id that identifies the player at the casino.

This is specially true for EU since the suppliers has to identify and state exactly why they need the information they gather because of GDPR. So a game supplier has no reason to gather first or last name and making a case as to why its critical for them to do so is difficult. All it does is put a liability for them in case of a data breach. The less specific information they know about a user the better for themselves.

Casinos also don't want to give out more data than needed about their players to suppliers for competitive reasons. Imagine a supplier that knows the exact details of all the whales at a large casino. That could be worth a fortune to a competitor.
 

colinsunderland

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This depends on the integration to the casino and what the casino wants to give out. No one that I know of gives out all the information you write. Normally its just ip (they get this indirectly since you talk to their servers), country, language, currency and a external id that identifies the player at the casino.

This is specially true for EU since the suppliers has to identify and state exactly why they need the information they gather because of GDPR. So a game supplier has no reason to gather first or last name and making a case as to why its critical for them to do so is difficult. All it does is put a liability for them in case of a data breach. The less specific information they know about a user the better for themselves.

Casinos also don't want to give out more data than needed about their players to suppliers for competitive reasons. Imagine a supplier that knows the exact details of all the whales at a large casino. That could be worth a fortune to a competitor.
Well yes thats what I thought, and I've never seen a provider gather all that information, but that was copied and pasted from a casinos privacy policy.
 

PuddleFish

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Well yes thats what I thought, and I've never seen a provider gather all that information, but that was copied and pasted from a casinos privacy policy.
They probably just add all they can think of in there to be on the safe side instead of missing something, a customer finding out and the fallout that would follow.
 

Spikie

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I just watched the video with NetEnt and letsgiveitaspin on the creation of DOA2..

Very interesting part with the NetEnt product owner (game designer) saying to get the rtp in testing before it gets sent to certification, they did 11 Trillion spins , to get the rtp to 2 decimal places, at 96.80

If they wanted 1 decimal place they would need nowhere near that amount of spins.

And 11 Trillion spins takes 4 weeks on a really good computer according to the NetEnt guy.

if they do different rtp’s on games it is 4 weeks testing per rtp.

@trancemonkey is your experience similar ?
 

Spikie

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Another interesting insight from the NetEnt guy in part 5 of the video is that the reels don’t change as the multipliers increase in the bonus ,

They believe in random mathematics, same as the really good BTG post states in the Wild Flower thread.

Only just noticed this.
 

trancemonkey

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Another interesting insight from the NetEnt guy in part 5 of the video is that the reels don’t change as the multipliers increase in the bonus ,

They believe in random mathematics, same as the really good BTG post states in the Wild Flower thread.

Only just noticed this.
I have to say that the game does NOT feel like this - it definitely feels like it changes once you get the +5 spins....
 

trancemonkey

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What you ”feel” is not relevant at all, is it? You if any should know better than bringing feelings to the discussion
I completely agree - which is why i was careful to say that it "feels" like it changes, and not that i "know" it changes ;)
That said, i'll get my coat...
 
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