Any casino/rep willing to step up and promote high RTP

I must say that i am loyal to @Videoslots.
I always check the gamepayout both "actual" and "theoretical" before i play a game, i can´t see that they are hiding anything about the RTP, i think it´s unfair to say so. It´s a fun place. :)
 
I must say that i am loyal to @Videoslots.
I always check the gamepayout both "actual" and "theoretical" before i play a game, i can´t see that they are hiding anything about the RTP, i think it´s unfair to say so. It´s a fun place. :)
They did though, they aren't now as everyone knows.
When they first lowered them, they were posting new releases on here daily with the RTP listed, the day they stopped doing that was the day they lowered the RTP on some games. They didn't tell a single customer either.
While the RTP would have been stated correctly in the help files, considering their previous statements of 'we always use the highest RTP' most people wouldn't bother checking daily. Even recently they stated all the variable setting games are 94-95%, until someone pointed out they are running a lot of red tiger at 92%. Thats hardly being transparent.
 
I must say that i am loyal to @Videoslots.
I always check the gamepayout both "actual" and "theoretical" before i play a game, i can´t see that they are hiding anything about the RTP, i think it´s unfair to say so. It´s a fun place. :)

We all have reasons in what casino to play. All casinos are fun to play at while Videoslots look like they are giving you more entertainment than others is just a window dressing, its behind the curtain were the truth lies.
They avoided the question about them lowering the rtp to Netent slots recently, they just try to sugar coat things. Trust me your paying for all that entertainment. they may be flashy and full of whistles but it comes with a price and its coming from your wallet. To me the Videoslots today from what Videoslots was back a few years is well just the name the core of the business is total different and the way they have have gone made changes and not being transparent to there customer who made Videoslots for what they today. I bet you they prob didn't treat there loyal employees all that well when changes started as many if not all them are gone. Videoslots has not once in the last while try to improve all they do is keep going backwards and because of that there once user rating is now down to 8.2 not much better than some others and worst than some. Playojo has a user rating of 9.2 should I say more.
 
Being that I was so dedicated to Videoslots for many years it took me awhile to break away but after playing at other places I realized that the changes they have made made them nothing special. Yes there solid and payment are speedy but other than that they don't stand out.

If you want to see how rtp makes a different just take a break from Videoslots for a week or a month and try 32Red yes payment can be slow but you will see your game play is much better this is my personal take on this but I would say 7 out of 10 deposits I have great playtime i really noticed a huge different. On Videoslots the last years were I was depositing everyday over 90% of my deposit went in a flash but thinking its just bad luck but I had enough and moved on and it paid off for me. Beside if you can play a game at 98% at another accredited casino why play a 94% at Videoslots? there not offering the goods anymore!
 
Being that I was so dedicated to Videoslots for many years it took me awhile to break away but after playing at other places I realized that the changes they have made made them nothing special. Yes there solid and payment are speedy but other than that they don't stand out.

If you want to see how rtp makes a different just take a break from Videoslots for a week or a month and try 32Red yes payment can be slow but you will see your game play is much better this is my personal take on this but I would say 7 out of 10 deposits I have great playtime i really noticed a huge different. On Videoslots the last years were I was depositing everyday over 90% of my deposit went in a flash but thinking its just bad luck but I had enough and moved on and it paid off for me. Beside if you can play a game at 98% at another accredited casino why play a 94% at Videoslots? there not offering the goods anymore!


Just a heads up but im sure Mark confirmed recently they are adding new providers which will be on lower RTP.

Nevertheless a great place to play.

Hi all,

at Kindred, we have always been taking the highest RTP. In fact, we were the first ones having games created for us with an RTP at 98 %. First a bunch of Play n Go games only for the Swedish market and more recently a bunch of Netent games, available on most markets.

When Thunderkick all of a sudden announced they were lowering the RTP on some of their games, we actually removed them from our site at that time. We did re introduce them later on with the lower RTP since we never got the option to stick with the higher RTP but at least we didn`t just lower it without informing anyone.

We have had internal discussions about lowering RTP`s but as long as we can help it within the casino team, we will always fight to keep the higher RTP active

Hope that helps

Dave

Hi Dave,

I am a big fan of Unibet and play there more and more because everything is maxed out on RTP.

I feel safe and happy I am playing the highest paying versions of slots.

In light of the recent mention by Mark of 32reds intention I wanted to ask if there are any plans to reduce RTP on Unibet that you know of?

To be honest I am concerned slightly that - New Financial man + 32reds mention = RTP lowering across the Kindred Group.
 
Being that I was so dedicated to Videoslots for many years it took me awhile to break away but after playing at other places I realized that the changes they have made made them nothing special. Yes there solid and payment are speedy but other than that they don't stand out.

If you want to see how rtp makes a different just take a break from Videoslots for a week or a month and try 32Red yes payment can be slow but you will see your game play is much better this is my personal take on this but I would say 7 out of 10 deposits I have great playtime i really noticed a huge different. On Videoslots the last years were I was depositing everyday over 90% of my deposit went in a flash but thinking its just bad luck but I had enough and moved on and it paid off for me. Beside if you can play a game at 98% at another accredited casino why play a 94% at Videoslots? there not offering the goods anymore!
I don`t play games with 94% RTP only 96% and higher but things can change now when it looks like more and more casinos are redusing the RTP and i can´t play at 32Red because i`m from Sweden ! :)
 
Twin will always have the highest RTP setting on any provider available on our site.

We believe, that is the cool way to do it.

Kasper,
Head of Casino
Twin

That its awesome. I will be making deposits at Twin for sure. Lowering RTP for reasons giving on other casinos is just a excuse period.

Hope Videoslots can learn a thing or 2 on how to treat there players from the feed back like Twin and other casino reps.
 
Twin will always have the highest RTP setting on any provider available on our site.

We believe, that is the cool way to do it.

Kasper,
Head of Casino
Twin
Maybe i should give twin a go, now that you got the license and all.
If only there was a welcome bonus waiting for me.... ;)
 
Twin will always have the highest RTP setting on any provider available on our site.

We believe, that is the cool way to do it.

Kasper,
Head of Casino
Twin

This kind of statement is what got Videoslots in hot water as in the past before them lowering the rtp. Videoslots rep posted similar that they only use the highest rtp but when they started to lower it no one from Videoslots posted on forum of the changes. When a casino is so involved with there players on every note and the players are loyal to them we deserve better so I hope there is a lesson learned here that we the players are educated gamblers and will call out any unwelcome changes especially when a casino tries to do it under our socks :D
All casinos have to do is be honest with us when there are changes as simple as that. We may not like it but at least we been properly informed and that just comes down to honesty and respect for both sides.

Btw really like the looks of Twin casino as long as you are using the high rtp then this is were my deposits will be going.
 
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This kind of statement is what got Videoslots in hot water as in the past before them lowering the rtp. Videoslots rep posted similar that they only use the highest rtp but when they started to lower it no one from Videoslots posted on forum of the changes. When a casino is so involved with there players on every note and the players are loyal to them we deserve better so I hope there is a lesson learned here that we the players are educated gamblers and will call out any unwelcome changes especially when a casino tries to do it under our socks :D
All casinos have to do is be honest with us when there are changes as simple as that. We may not like it but at least we been properly informed and that just comes down to honesty and respect for both sides.

Btw really like the looks of Twin casino as long as you are using the high rtp then this is were my deposits will be going.
Thanks deepsky2! appreciate that!
I even used to play at Videoslots personally, but when they lowered their RTP's even if it wasn't for me, I stopped playing there. It might not affect me in any way - I just don't like the practice as all.

Kind regards,

Kasper
Head of Casino
Twin
 
Hey All,

Thanks for the mentions here.

Those of you who have pointed out that we use the highest RTPs are correct, all of the games we currently offer are the top available RTP and as a transparent business we will never reduce them without making sure players were informed (there are no plans to reduce them, I should add).

Keeping with transparency however I should be honest and say we will shortly be introducing new games to the site which do have the option of lower RTPs and we won't be taking the top RTP. I'm not going to debate the reasons behind this decision, but as others have pointed out, there are increasing overheads, regulatory challenges and bonus abuse for operators - especially in the UK - and they all form part of the reason.

I've already informed Bryan of this and also sent him the link to our transparent RTP page, which can be found
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Thanks
Mark

Edit: Thanks to @JGslots for spotting a couple of typos on the list of RTP's - I can assure you Mermaids Millions is not 0.00%, it's actually 0.01% - will get this and other issues updated. :)

Hi Mark

You say when new game/providers added will have lower rtp. Will all your Netent stay at the current rtp? what about new Netent slots? will you be choosing a lower rtp or is the lower rtp going to be only on other providers only.
 
Thanks deepsky2! appreciate that!
I even used to play at Videoslots personally, but when they lowered their RTP's even if it wasn't for me, I stopped playing there. It might not affect me in any way - I just don't like the practice as all.

Kind regards,

Kasper
Head of Casino
Twin
This is to show you casinos do not need to choose lower rtp to absorb business cost or to stay in business.
I believe casinos are choosing lower rtp just because they can and make excuses to justified it. When it comes a way to make more money we go for it, its human nature and greed but if you can't balance it with fairness in the end it catches up with you.

I hope Twin can always stick to there word of using the highest rtp but I think if there were any changes I feel Twin will be up front with it with there players. I have a good feeling about this casino, its a breath of fresh air compared to other casinos in the way the industry been moving.
 
This is to show you casinos do not need to choose lower rtp to absorb business cost or to stay in business.
I believe casinos are choosing lower rtp just because they can and make excuses to justified it. When it comes a way to make more money we go for it, its human nature and greed but if you can't balance it with fairness in the end it catches up with you.

I hope Twin can always stick to there word of using the highest rtp but I think if there were any changes I feel Twin will be up front with it with there players. I have a good feeling about this casino, its a breath of fresh air compared to other casinos in the way the industry been moving.

A reason a lot of casinos use is that the UK market is so heavily taxed and regulated (not that much more than some other markets though I believe) so thats possibly why Twin can offer the higher rate. Having said that others manage it too. Novibet, Casumo, LeoVegas, WHG all seem to be mainly on the higher RTP, although Novomatic seem to be mainly on the 94% setting across the board, rather than the higher 95%
 
A reason a lot of casinos use is that the UK market is so heavily taxed and regulated (not that much more than some other markets though I believe) so thats possibly why Twin can offer the higher rate. Having said that others manage it too. Novibet, Casumo, LeoVegas, WHG all seem to be mainly on the higher RTP, although Novomatic seem to be mainly on the 94% setting across the board, rather than the higher 95%
I dont think the problem for the casinos lies in "not making money" but rather, "not making as much money as they did before regulation".
Hopefully regulation will sort out the market a bit, since its crazily oversaturated with casinos.

Let the bad ones disappear, and the remaining sites will see increased profits due to more players instead of lowering rtp.
 
I dont think the problem for the casinos lies in "not making money" but rather, "not making as much money as they did before regulation".
Hopefully regulation will sort out the market a bit, since its crazily oversaturated with casinos.

Let the bad ones disappear, and the remaining sites will see increased profits due to more players instead of lowering rtp.

I've seen a contraction of the casinos I play at but that's been through choice, simply can't be arsed spreading the cash around 10 or more that i used to. Of the ones that have vanished, I've not shed many tears - vanilla MTS sites with their shitty platform? Meh, who cares. Mongoose? Pfft. Midaur and their weird Rep? Meh.

Only one that I was disappointed to see go was Red Queen cos they'd the makings of a decent site. Had a decent RTP at Vera John but was never really in love with him/her that much.
 
Comparing how some casino can do this or that and other don't is bit pointless, was it RTP:s, withdrawal times or what so ever. All casinos have their own operations which can be (and are) very different. Casinos use different platforms where some can have much more things automated what others still do manually, all casinos have their own deals with all 3rd parties (payment providers, game providers and much more) which all are affecting their operational costs.

Some big groups like Kindred for example are reviewing their operations to be more up to date which include some redundancies to be efficient (can be some new technology or just group which staff count have increased and can be handled with smaller amount of people, that happen easily when you acquire other companies).

Without knowing much about specific casinos insights, it's quite bad argument that some other can do something so all others should as well, they also might have decided to use that money to some other place to improve their overall operations.

Structure of all casinos is not really exact same, this comparison is bit like to start compare different countries about how they have arranged their social securities, health care, education and all other "parts of operations" where we can see huge differences. Taking single subjects to say that if country X have total free education and health care, all others who don't have everything total free pre-paid in taxes are just greedy.
 
Comparing how some casino can do this or that and other don't is bit pointless, was it RTP:s, withdrawal times or what so ever. All casinos have their own operations which can be (and are) very different. Casinos use different platforms where some can have much more things automated what others still do manually, all casinos have their own deals with all 3rd parties (payment providers, game providers and much more) which all are affecting their operational costs.

Some big groups like Kindred for example are reviewing their operations to be more up to date which include some redundancies to be efficient (can be some new technology or just group which staff count have increased and can be handled with smaller amount of people, that happen easily when you acquire other companies).

Without knowing much about specific casinos insights, it's quite bad argument that some other can do something so all others should as well, they also might have decided to use that money to some other place to improve their overall operations.

Structure of all casinos is not really exact same, this comparison is bit like to start compare different countries about how they have arranged their social securities, health care, education and all other "parts of operations" where we can see huge differences. Taking single subjects to say that if country X have total free education and health care, all others who don't have everything total free pre-paid in taxes are just greedy.

I would have thought all casinos have very similar in the way they work. Operating costs would be similar also for casinos of similar size.

These are merchants. There is no manufacturing, they buy/rent a product and sell it. These are nowhere near as complicated as a countries economy, i dont think.

All the casinos we are discussing have customer service, accounts and compliance in the main. Staff wages will be similar across the industry. Payment gateway costs are similar and competitive throughout the world. Cant imagine there is much difference in any cost; web design, marketing etc etc apart from the bigger companies/casinos paying more for the services due to the economy of scale.

Think casino A will be very similar in its running costs and structure compared to casino B if they are similar in size.

RTP or 'the quality of product' is the biggest and most valid point to discuss, when all is considered, by the average slot player.

Edit: Thinking on I think a lot of companies will be biting the hands of these casinos to deliver services due to the traffic that goes through them. That would lead me to believe 'outsourcing costs' or 'services paid for' by casinos will be very competitive. Everything else i have mentioned will be similar.
 
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From their front end they look almost identical, there are quite big differences behind the scene, country comparison was just something what came to mind with similar argument that country X sucks because country Y have this free.

All the time developing technology is one thing where some have big differences, some can operate with much smaller staff because of many tasks can be automated which wouldn't maybe possible some time ago, some are engaged to their platforms, have made loads of own integrations but if could now choose, would end up to different solution as some start to be really outdated. Investing to rebuild everything to new platform is quite huge project and costs which is not done in short time with very small investment.

Staff costs is one thing where some are able to operate with much less staff in payments, compliance and other things what can be done more automatically but maybe couldn't some years ago. When you make deals with payment providers/game providers, you have huge advantage if you are big and execute much more transactions, you are in much better position to negotiate if you are one of these big corporations than you are stand alone casino with smaller volumes. With game providers is quite obvious that if you have 10 times more volume than some other, you can negotiate better deal, they can cut their margins a bit as volume keeps profit same. Like in most of businesses, you have big advantage when you are big corporation like if you compare corner store and tesco to negotiate with developers, i have no doubts their deals are different.

Around same size casinos (if you look deposits or GGR) can have surprisingly different operations costs and therefore profit margins as well, like in every industry, some companies are healthier than others and have more optimized cost structure which might have begun already from planning the whole product.

Costs and incomes in every businesses are bit more complex than just compare company A and B, all have their own twists in their business models in every industry, that's why pointing one single part of business model that A can do this, B should also but they just don't want and are greedy is not really telling all the truth even it seems to be quite simplified opinion here.

RTP for some can be one and only thing what matters, for some others there are some other things as well like here are some great casinos which are really liked here even they don't have all games with max RTP, maybe they are just greedy.

All stock listed companies (mainly big ones) have their numbers quite well opened every quarter, just by going through their reports can give more view about where numbers are coming and companies operations, many of these companies are much more than casino sites (have remarkable B2B business, investing to different things etc..). Now have been time when many have published their Q1 results which are all public.

Not saying that people are not allowed to compare products, only that without much knowledge about company insights, it's just not really great argument that "Tesco can sell can of beer with XX cents and other store is greedy and asking X cents more, if Tesco can operate with that price, all others should and everything else is greediness" where quite many short cuts to assumptions have been taken.

Reps can't disclose too much internal information (which in most of companies is strictly confidental) which leaves many assumptions to be facts as they can't be corrected. I personally don't mind how people want to make statements, just my two cents that if A is doing something, all others who don't do same are greedy, is just not really accurate statement without backing it with any facts.


EDIT: Not really know why i started to write around this topic, maybe that i kind of miss times when we had much more active reps here. It might be not that tempting to be active here in CM as people are sometimes quite judging and make easy comparisons like: "if X can do well with Y, you should as well, everything else is just excuses" and when rep can't really disclose much confidental information and therefore everything said, is just excuse. Criticizing is good and help companies to develop, i just another hand feel reps and casinos who are not willing to be really active here anymore or some don't even willing to have rep here.

Maybe sometimes judging little bit less and calling rep replies as excuse for greed because casino X do something could have place time to time instead of without any insight or knowledge keep telling how bad and unfair something is (without any idea of whole story behind things) and how they should run their business :)
 
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