Any casino/rep willing to step up and promote high RTP

deepsky2

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With RTP becoming a hot topic among the forum I think this would be a great opportunity for any casino to step up to the plate and promote they only use high rtp that is available from the game providers. This would be a great business move for a casino to promote this.

Is there any casino rep that could post a honest statement that they use only the highest rtp and I challenge any casino to do so.

Also want to say SHAME :mad::mad::mad: to Red Tiger, Play N Go, Netent, Pramatic Play etc to stoop low and provide games to casinos that are using unacceptable low rtp slots. example Videoslots.

Shame to casinos that change or sneak in lower RTP games with out informing your players again like Videoslots:mad::mad: and other casinos.

I know sometimes the forum can get of hand and some subjects get over post but over posting about RTP changes and calling out casinos that are using ridiculous low rtp could not be done enough, and shame on the slot providers for for giving in to the demand to the casinos that are asking for reduced rtp games. Its slapping the players in the face.

I make sure when and where ever I can post or the opportunity to share with friends what casinos and providers are doing with rtp I do. I think they need to be called out on it as much as possible and get the information out there. I do not care about bad mouthing Videoslots either as they have done some poor business decisions and have insulted there playes so they have brought this on to them self's, and for any casino to take same path I will be staying away from and hope they get called out on it as well.

I guess if all casinos do the same then I wont complain. But till then I hope any casino that uses low rtp slots get called out on it and I truly feel this needs to be in there review some how. Example Videoslots 9.8 review under Cons. should maybe say something like beware Videoslots has been sneaking in lower rtp on certain games with out informing the players. Btw not on a rant about Videoslots as been 3 months since last deposit there. Using them as example as what they have been doing re rtp is true.

It be nice to see a rating system for game providers as well with there rtps math models.
 

deepsky2

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If L&l uses the highest RTP option then they deserve praise for this and should be on there review page.

L&L if this is true you should promote this on your casino page, this should be one the first thing players see.
 

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I'm pretty sure @L&L-Jan has posted that they use the better or best RTP options where available; im sure someone can correct me if wrong
Sadly they too have Play'n Go set to a lower RTP.

Jan did announce it many months ago to be fair - he was open about it.

He didnt pull a rabbit out the hat like Videoslots does usually... on the quiet.

Play'n Go are a provider I won't even touch these days. As long as players accept it and pump them full of money, they will continue the trend.

Nate
 

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Problem may be the administration of it in the review: high RTP on Saturday, meeting (Virtual) of the board on Monday and lower on the Tuesday: plus, may only be for certain providers (though i imagine if you lower on one provider, you will probably do the same with the rest) - so to keep track of that (unless you have the rep agree to tell you of any future changes) may require a bit of monitoring

L and L don't use the highest (for PNG at least) - 94.71

Edit - Nate got there before me re L&L and Jan (and to be fair as Nate says they put PNG in at that to start with, unlike some....)
 

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Nice sentiment by the OP. And while we're at it, maybe this rep could rub my shoulders, perform a song & dance (of my song choosing) and drop £10K into my casino account, wager-free
 

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Out of the casinos i check a good half have max rtp right the way through their selections.

As far as i know all Kindred Group - Unibet, 32red etc are max.

Off the top of my head.....

Casino Calzone
Kaboo
Novibet
Rizk
Guts
Leovegas
Casumo

Are all max rtp on all games.

I am sure there are plenty more out there.

Perhaps the new Chief Financial Officer, 'Johan of Kindred' (sounds like a Game Of Thrones character) would like to step up and declare their commitment.

New CFO Appointed at Kindred Group

Not much to ask from someone starting a new job :)

Edit: 21Casino also, sorry if ive left anyone out.
 

deepsky2

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Out of the casinos i check a good half have max rtp right the way through their selections.

As far as i know all Kindred Group - Unibet, 32red etc are max.

Off the top of my head.....

Casino Calzone
Kaboo
Novibet
Rizk
Guts
Leovegas
Casumo

Are all max rtp on all games.

I am sure there are plenty more out there.

Perhaps the new Chief Financial Officer, 'Johan of Kindred' (sounds like a Game Of Thrones character) would like to step up and declare their commitment.

New CFO Appointed at Kindred Group

Not much to ask from someone starting a new job :)

Edit: 21Casino also, sorry if ive left anyone out.
That is awesome, 32Red has been coming a regular place I play and deposit again. It be nice if they are the first to promote this and have it advertised on there home page. Any casino that is accredited and does this will have 100 percent of my loyalty.

Also if this is true I hope Casinomeister add this to there review.
 

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That is awesome, 32Red has been coming a regular place I play and deposit again. It be nice if they are the first to promote this and have it advertised on there home page. Any casino that is accredited and does this will have 100 percent of my loyalty.

Also if this is true I hope Casinomeister add this to there review.

Dont just take my word for it. Check before you play of course.

Cant see anybody making that kind of commitment on a permanent basis but somebody marketing a 'price fix' (for want of a better description) for the year, would be impressive, make a big impact and might be in their business plan anyway.
 

deepsky2

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Even if casino can at least promote there using one of the higher rtp models. If there not using the highest say 98% but there using 96.8% would still be a great rtp there using unlike Videoslots choosing the lowest available for some games and in that case there review should show that.
 

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Storspiller that i use has selected games operating at 98%.

If im not wrong, thats part of kindred group.
 

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I'm pretty sure @L&L-Jan has posted that they use the better or best RTP options where available; im sure someone can correct me if wrong
L&L is using the lower RTP-versions of Play'n'go. 94%.

Lowering it from 96% to 94% might not mean much, but it is DOUBLING the casinos profit on that game.

I got myself a 7-day ban for making players aware of that in Jan's tournament thread.
 

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L&L is using the lower RTP-versions of Play'n'go. 94%.

Lowering it from 96% to 94% might not mean much, but it is DOUBLING the casinos profit on that game.

I got myself a 7-day ban for making players aware of that in Jan's tournament thread.
That is low of any casino to ban a player that informs other players of changes that perhaps the casino hasn't. Shows you it's about greed and not the player. To to keep it as quiet as they can as they know only a handful of players know what RTP is and the less the players know the more $ in there pockets.
 

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Yes I think 32Red use the highest RTP model available. @Mark_32Red will be able to confirm that.

Rob :)
Are any of 32Red's slots available with different RTP's though?
I don't think they carry Play'n'Go, Red Tiger, Pragmatic etc.
So, they, like many other casinos, don't have a choice in the matter.
 

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Are any of 32Red's slots available with different RTP's though?
I don't think they carry Play'n'Go, Red Tiger, Pragmatic etc.
So, they, like many other casinos, don't have a choice in the matter.
Dont forget Netent ;)

I need to find another provider to shill for now.
Most are already taken, but im having talks with Gamomat and its looking promising.
 

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That is low of any casino to ban a player that informs other players of changes that perhaps the casino hasn't. Shows you it's about greed and not the player. To to keep it as quiet as they can as they know only a handful of players know what RTP is and the less the players know the more $ in there pockets.

Thats not what he was banned for at all, as he well knows, and it was a ban from here, not the casino.
Jan has always been upfront about the RTP model on L&L, he stated on here at least once before they even launched PnG that he would be using the 94% versions, unlike an award winning casino on here who does it's best to hide changes and mislead players,
 

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Hey All,

Thanks for the mentions here.

Those of you who have pointed out that we use the highest RTPs are correct, all of the games we currently offer are the top available RTP and as a transparent business we will never reduce them without making sure players were informed (there are no plans to reduce them, I should add).

Keeping with transparency however I should be honest and say we will shortly be introducing new games to the site which do have the option of lower RTPs and we won't be taking the top RTP. I'm not going to debate the reasons behind this decision, but as others have pointed out, there are increasing overheads, regulatory challenges and bonus abuse for operators - especially in the UK - and they all form part of the reason.

I've already informed Bryan of this and also sent him the link to our transparent RTP page, which can be found
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Thanks
Mark

Edit: Thanks to @JGslots for spotting a couple of typos on the list of RTP's - I can assure you Mermaids Millions is not 0.00%, it's actually 0.01% - will get this and other issues updated. :)
 
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deepsky2

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Hey All,

Thanks for the mentions here.

Those of you who have pointed out that we use the highest RTPs are correct, all of the games we currently offer are the top available RTP and as a transparent business we will never reduce them without making sure players were informed (there are no plans to reduce them, I should add).

Keeping with transparency however I should be honest and say we will shortly be introducing new games to the site which do have the option of lower RTPs and we won't be taking the top RTP. I'm not going to debate the reasons behind this decision, but as others have pointed out, there are increasing overheads, regulatory challenges and bonus abuse for operators - especially in the UK - and they all form part of the reason.

I've already informed Bryan of this and also sent him the link to our transparent RTP page, which can be found
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.

Thanks
Mark

Edit: Thanks to @JGslots for spotting a couple of typos on the list of RTP's - I can assure you Mermaids Millions is not 0.00%, it's actually 0.01% - will get this and other issues updated. :)
Thanks for the honesty, that alone makes you far better than Videoslots and some others.
 

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Novibet offer 96% rtp on play n go, not that it matters to much for me at the moment with my run .

It's nice to know that when you're playing the casino aren't shafting you. I know the max stake as well for doa and doa2 is £3.60, so they know the games that can drain them and have taken heed if you like.

Novibet are my go to, plenty of games and higher rtp. Casinos like videoslots can do one
 

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Hey All,



Keeping with transparency however I should be honest and say we will shortly be introducing new games to the site which do have the option of lower RTPs and we won't be taking the top RTP. I'm not going to debate the reasons behind this decision, but as others have pointed out, there are increasing overheads, regulatory challenges and bonus abuse for operators - especially in the UK - and they all form part of the reason.

Cheers for the honesty Mark :)
 

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I'm not going to debate the reasons behind this decision, but as others have pointed out, there are increasing overheads, regulatory challenges and bonus abuse for operators - especially in the UK - and they all form part of the reason.

Thanks for the heads up Mark.

Not bothered if you dont wish to debate.

Stating 32Red's reasons 'for' doesnt do much to stop one though :)

Great comp by the way with JGSlots!
 

deepsky2

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Ok Reality is that no Casino rep is going to promise and say they only will use the highest RTP available when it comes to all game providers, that was probably asking to much however you have to give credit to Mark from 32red for commenting on this thread and most important he added by saying they would not change the RTP with out telling there customers. That alone for me is a huge plus for 32Red unlike other casinos under handing there loyal players by introducing lower RTP with out informing there players like V--------s:) or hiding it somewhere in tiny print pages in.

I hope other casino reps reply to this thread as Mark did to give us some assurance in what RTP models they'll be using and how will there players be informed when changes are made re: RTP. Its just fair and a good practice to do if there going to make changes to the RTP so the casino players can make a better decision in which games to play and which casino to play them at.

I call out on Videoslots to comment to this thread if they have anything to add. Maybe they can stop using the lowest RTP available and do a better job by informing there players of changes. Videoslots not alone when it comes reduction in RTP with out telling there players but I think they have been one of the worst when it comes to changes and how there players are informed.

I hope someday any game you open the RTP will be displayed clearly on the game or better yet have the RTP beside the game so you know what its before opening the game. Something simple and straight forward would be well received by the gambling community.
 

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