Am i the only one?

[Tirilej]

ok, if you dont play much of these 243 slots then i can partially understand you.

However also when you check all the new MG 243 slots. Any really big win so far (comparing with the old MG slotsjust as IR or Playboy)?
I didnt see much of them.

I believe we expect too much now. Those winnings as doa gives I never saw before. When Lotr came out...that was a special game, and the first I really won big on.
Then 243ways and doa and the expectations are so high...way too high.

Someone have to pay for those winnings!!!

 

[hoff1985]

NetEnt Variance??

I'm starting to get tired by this threads when people come in with "NetEnt-Variance" and "If you don't win you probably played NetEnt".

YES! There are a few very streak ultra High Variance NetEnt slots (mainly the recent ones), but if you talk about those slots then compare them to MG High Variance slots!!!

Play NetEnt slots with a "standard" slot design and you won't get worse payouts than with other providers.

 

[hoff1985]

ok, if you dont play much of these 243 slots then i can partially understand you.

However also when you check all the new MG 243 slots. Any really big win so far (comparing with the old MG slotsjust as IR or Playboy)?
I didnt see much of them.

It depends what you consider a big win??? Look at Jurassic Park... We have seen shortly after the release dozens of huge screenshots with wins over 400/500x bet.... Yes maybe no 1000+ bet wins so far, or only very few... But that's just NORMAL.

How many times to you win 1000+x your bet at a Landbased Casino without hitting a progressive? It is just not normal...

 

[aceking123]

i happen to like netent at least im getting some kind of play & there software is pretty good

i can fully understand what the op is saying about MG 243 slots , now ive played IM since the first time it came out ive had ups & downs but i can vouch for a realy big swing over the last couple of months for my play , im getting the same response as other posters of these insane long sessions of spins without a feature coupled with the max bet win capped around 10x bet if i see a feature ,although youve seen 1200+ spins played via it .

this is happening alot far to often for players not to think something has changed , ive had a new account at a casino ( wont name ) 2800 spins one feature tune of 2k ( cash loss not play loss ) one feature paid less than 15x bet ( the only feature )

this machine in all the time ive played it would always hit maybe four features in that time ( spins ) & maybe going via my logs ive yet to see this machine do without hitting a 50x bet , anyway the rtp% is below 65% , you can see why people i getting pretty pi$$ed off with those kind of results ,had this been maybe one session then ok ,the problem arises when your doing 8-10 sessions & still getting these results got to make you think.

maybe there just not taking the money from players anylonger not sure but ive not been playing much ive cut all deposits down too £25-50 & only play when i feel like it , ive played MG twice so far this month but played netent more & to be honest im getting slightly better play from them so im sticking with other softwares.

 

[funnymunny]

However also when you check all the new MG 243 slots. Any really big win so far...?

You haven't stated which new games you're referring to, but games aren't designed to play or pay the same way. I've added the jackpot from some of the latest 243 slots below...

"So Much..." slots have a jackpot of 320,000 coins.
"RoboJack" has a jackpot of 360,000 coins
"Terminator 2" has a jackpot of 880,000 coins
"Jurassic Park" has a jackpot of 1,900,000 coins

You also mentioned the following slots...

"Playboy" has a jackpot of 1,215,000 coins
"Immortal Romance" has a jackpot of 3,645,000 coins

The numbers are all different & hopefully reinforces the point about games payout (& the maths used in their design). If the games pay different jackpots, do you still expect the lower value wins to all be the same & hit with the same frequency?

As per earlier posts, new slots & suppliers are entering the market all the time. People generally only have a limited gambling budget every month - if they're trying out the new slots, that means they have less or no money left to play previous releases. RTP dictates that less money going into the slots will mean less coming out & fewer big hits. That means the frequency of certain slots screenines appearing in threads will also be less.

...comparing with the old MG slotsjust as IR or Playboy?

Older slots? Playboy was release last summer & whilst Immortal Romance has been around a little longer (from memory released Dec 2011), I'd hardly call these "old MG slots".

I guess this emphasises what others have said / asked about what is classed as a big win. Everything is relative. If someone has been playing online slots for only a few years, then I guess that yes, IR could be classed as an old slot. This is the same as someone who's never seen any of the winner screenshots here & is new to online slots. They are likely to agree that 100x wins (and greater) are indeed big wins. However someone who's already hit a few of those may not likely agree.

(FYI, I consider Thunderstruck & the original Avalon as old MG slots, but these too aren't ones they first released when the launched their software back in 1994).

Someone have to pay for those winnings!!!

Ain't that the truth & by design, it's not going to be the casino

It depends what you consider a big win??? Look at Jurassic Park... We have seen shortly after the release dozens of huge screenshots with wins over 400/500x bet.... Yes maybe no 1000+ bet wins so far, or only very few... But that's just NORMAL.

How many times to you win 1000+x your bet at a Landbased Casino without hitting a progressive? It is just not normal...

Nothing to add to this, just quoting to emphasise the points made

2800 spins one feature tune of 2k ( cash loss not play loss ) one feature paid less than 15x bet ( the only feature ) this machine in all the time ive played it would always hit maybe four features in that time ( spins )

Perhaps previously you've been hitting the features more regularly than the average dictated in the game design? I think it's human nature to think that when things aren't going our way, that someone (or something) is to blame. We all look for a reason why our luck has changed, but remember that slots are all about luck. Nothing we can do to influence or change it. We see posts by people rejoicing at their insane luck & sick runs - hitting multiple features & big wins in a relatively small number of spins. Unfortunately (as per earlier post by Tirilej) it has to be paid by someone. No games are designed with 100% RTP (or higher), so it's those of us that aren't winning that are helping others to do so.

rtp% is below 65% , you can see why people i getting pretty pi$$ed off with those kind of results ,had this been maybe one session then ok ,the problem arises when your doing 8-10 sessions & still getting these results got to make you think.

I agree that sucks, but can happen. Hopefully you're not chasing losses.

ive not been playing much ive cut all deposits down too £25-50 & only play when i feel like it

As mentioned previously in this post, if you & many others are reducing their deposits & spins, there's less going into the games. This means there's also going to be less coming out.

im getting slightly better play from them so im sticking with other softwares.

Glad to hear it. Another trait us humans have is loyalty... slots don't. Stick with what's working for you

 

[andym]

sry dudes but it has nothing to do with "human nature".

If you play all that 243slots for a long time (many many many many many many sessions) then you can see how the "behaviour" changed there this year.
It can happen 1 session, 2 sessions, 10 sessions. But 100+ sessions?

I know that now some people will point out the RTP or the "randomness" of those slots. Do you really believe that?

By the way did anyone of you answer why we have so many "Quit gambling" topics this year?

 

[Tirilej]

So what you are saying, is that either the casino or MG have turned off the switch?

Ok

 

[spintee]

So what you are saying, is that either the casino or MG have turned off the switch?

Ok

Something looks like its been switched, People say they can ave a few hundred or thousand b4 feature well rarly happens to me as money spent by than but I do get reg feutures, or nothing but when I do your lucky to get a good return,

I deposit £10 other month I was playing no less than 12hrs over 2 days, It was a new site for me, I completed the IR pick a feature , Half way threw playboy, let alone al the rest and 10 depost with 10 free, 25x playthrew on bonus, I ended up taking about 150 out,

A good run for once, But I have seen a dramatic way they play & pay, Yes agreed with the other post about not as many play ect but if it is truly random than should that matter?

We all got our own theroys, But its gamble we all take, I left my usal games thunderstuck / ladies night. springbreak, Not had a sesion for months on them as they done more than swithed the switch, They was that cold I not only did they witch them of but moved them to Antarctica lol,

If machines are genuie random than surley some times they must pay out alot more than put in, Than surley in this case MG has abiltilty to turn them down or up?

 

[funnymunny]

I know that now some people will point out the RTP or the "randomness" of those slots. Do you really believe that?

Yes.

If you don't, I would urge you to take this up with the sites you play at & ask them to send you a s/sheet containing your wagers & payouts. If there is anything you're not happy with, ask them if they can explain or help you to understand any anomalies. Once you've done that & if you still believe that the randomness isn't what it should be, I'd suggest contacting the Regulator who licenses the casino sites & software providers. They have the power to undertake full investigations & if the sites and/or providers have done something they shouldn't, it will be revealed.

By the way did anyone of you answer why we have so many "Quit gambling" topics this year?

With the increase in number of people gambling, you're bound to also see an increase in the number of people quitting.

 

[funnymunny]

I deposit £10 other month I was playing no less than 12hrs over 2 days, It was a new site for me, I completed the IR pick a feature , Half way threw playboy, let alone al the rest and 10 depost with 10 free, 25x playthrew on bonus, I ended up taking about 150 out,

...

If machines are genuie random than surley some times they must pay out alot more than put in

Surely with your first statement, you've already answered your own question...? You put in 10 & took out 150 - sounds like a lot more came out than went in to me

 

[spintee]

Surely with your first statement, you've already answered your own question...? You put in 10 & took out 150 - sounds like a lot more came out than went in to me

Arhhh Not just a session, surley if you can nether take out more than you put in than no 1 would play for cash, Ater them few words I stated surley MG has the abilty to do something with payouts, What if them rng was pumping out wins wins wins, It can happen if really random, and casinos are taking a beating?

I could nether work out how theses things work so I just play and try not to think about that side of things, All I can say is what my thoughts are, I dnt care if I lose, It be nice to be up once for a while but all I ask is a fair game,

Not the same as a few years ago, Use to be able to have a fair game, Now its like there charging you to play and, Like a fair ground ride, paying and having a few minutes on a ride than all of a sudden the rides droped to 30 seconds a go, have another go (deposit) All of a sudden you buy a load of tickests but after your first go they say sorry them tickests are void as you stuck you arm out on the ride (max bet)

 

[funnymunny]

Arhhh Not just a session, surley if you can nether take out more than you put in than no 1 would play for cash, Ater them few words I stated surley MG has the abilty to do something with payouts

I answered a similar question in another thread (here) a few weeks ago with the following...

"You are correct - software can be changed & no doubt there are examples of where this has happened, which is why sites like this are here. (Casinomeister's Philosophy and Mission Statement).

As the introduction on the previous link states, "The bottom line for most people in this industry is to make a profit" so when you are creating games that already have a built-in house edge, there really isn't any need to 'tweak' it post release to improve that edge. (Surely if they wanted any games to be more profitable, they would have designed that game to have a lower RTP in the first place)?

In order for a game to be certified by Regulators, the software developer must confirm details of the game (inc those readily available, and those that aren't. (E.g. paytables, hit-rate, rtp, etc)). The Regulators approved testing house will then cycle the games to ensure that the stated information from the supplier matches the results from their testing. Assuming everything matches, then the game is approved for release, but that's not the end of it... Once a game is live, the Regulators are able to audit the games at their discretion. Most (if not all) of the reputable suppliers also belong to at least one of the industries many bodies that ensure fair-play (example here). Operators that make the games available to the players also join these organisations and have monthly audits on the games performance to ensure that the statistics that the game produced in the aforementioned test cycle mirrors what is happening now the games are live, (example here).

After the developers and Operators have gone through the above, (and knowing that their license(s) could be immediately revoked if anything untoward is discovered), do you really believe that they would risk their entire business (which could include sportsbook, poker, and bingo (as well as any other casino(s)) just to try to draw an extra % out of the RTP of a slot game?"​

What if them rng was pumping out wins wins wins, It can happen if really random, and casinos are taking a beating?

If you believe an RNG could pump-out consistent wins, then surely it can also pump-out consistent losses? The RTP of games is always set at less than 100%, so any wins by a player are always going to be a short-term occurrence.

Not the same as a few years ago, Use to be able to have a fair game, Now its like there charging you to play and, Like a fair ground ride, paying and having a few minutes on a ride than all of a sudden the rides droped to 30 seconds a go, have another go (deposit) All of a sudden you buy a load of tickests but after your first go they say sorry them tickests are void as you stuck you arm out on the ride (max bet)

I understand your analogy. Never heard it expressed that way, but I like it! Again however it goes back to my theory about perceptions & if I use your analogy, the first time you ride a rollercoaster, it will be thrilling, exciting & you'd probably love another go. However riding that same rollercoaster time after time won't bring that same buzz. The track or speed of the ride won't have changed, you're just now used to the original 'OMG' moments it once gave you. You'll be wanting that again, so you may take faster, more thrilling rides to get it.

 

[hoff1985]

Sorry guys, maybe you switch between only high variance slots, or you deposit/cashout differently than you did before...

The way i play (switch between ALL kinds of slots, HIGH/LOW, all Providers (except boring Betsoft), only a few spins per Slot - when i'm not in chase mode) nothing has changed at all. The last 10 years felt exactly the same to me. Bad streaks, good streaks, horrible streaks, awesome streaks.... It all repeats.... And of course i was luckier in some casinos than in others, but also that is PURE luck. I was unlucky in casinos for a long time and then had an awesome streak there etc.

IMHO: If YOU feel that a casino or a provider has "changed" the slot behaviour to be worse, than you should immediately stop gambling and don't trust any casino anymore.

Just my opinion

 

[spintee]

Well my gambling till next month was a waste of written, Just deposit 20 on 32red got the 32 for ten bonus, so had 84 quid to play with, Started fish party at 30p got a 18 spins and chucked me out when back on and what a waste, So went to IR at 60p play, absoulut rinsed me, so switch to 30p had 1 freespin round, I let you guys decide if I had a good run they were the only two free spin rounds from £84

 

[mrshyguy]

I must admit for me there has been a change in the air, i cant remember the last time i had a wdw , come payday at the end of the month i make my usual deposit of 100 quid and see where that takes me and that used to last me a good few hours of fun on a Saturday night, betting .60 on games such as ir or ts2 and the like, but in the last few months im out in under 30mins or so and even worse getting features that pay absolute zero, ( i did mention this on a earlier thread about getting features and winning nothing )

seems strange to me that this is happening to more and more players these days, and i think that this is more then just dry-runs......

could this be the new rules for uk based players being limited to wins???????? (conspiracy theory perhaps?? only joking )

seriously though from my experiences taps have been closing for a while, well its near the end of the month for me again so will make my usual monthly pilgrimage to my utopia of casino and see what happens with bated breath. but if this ends with another so-called dry run then for me i will be taking a back seat for a while and just read what happens to others and see if a pattern emerges.....i know there will always be players who will loose but for me im seeing more and more concerns of poor rtns to players....lets hope player feed-back such as postings from this great site make their way back to whoever adjusts the taps.....otherwise there could come a time when there are no more people left in the bath......

 

[spintee]

I do not like puting screen shots up as we all get them on the free spin round, but £84 2 bonus rounds bringing a few x bet in, mas win on the normall game was £12 but doing 30p and 60p spins, But did not even turn money over x2 so again, NO PLAY TIME and lasted about 15 minutes and thats with computer reboting

 

[aceking123]

Well my gambling till next month was a waste of written, Just deposit 20 on 32red got the 32 for ten bonus, so had 84 quid to play with, Started fish party at 30p got a 18 spins and chucked me out when back on and what a waste, So went to IR at 60p play, absoulut rinsed me, so switch to 30p had 1 freespin round, I let you guys decide if I had a good run they were the only two free spin rounds from £84

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thats what alot of players here are showing , not any many spins no doubt just a cripple affect , thats yet another crud session to chalk up sadly i dont see a upturn on this trend , maybe time to move along from MG & online dealings , ive been walking around town having a blast on slots on the bookie machines although im not going to get those large hits ( as there capped at 500 ) at least im having some fun , not that im doing it everday but i can pop 20 quid in & get some good play.

the last good sesssion i had was at BET_AT the other week had some realy good playtime but not playing mg

 

[Tirilej]

I do not like puting screen shots up as we all get them on the free spin round, but £84 2 bonus rounds bringing a few x bet in, mas win on the normall game was £12 but doing 30p and 60p spins, But did not even turn money over x2 so again, NO PLAY TIME and lasted about 15 minutes and thats with computer reboting

Keep playing only those games and you will probably keep losing. They are very high variance.
You maybe never will win or just one of 50 times.
You complain and I do not. I wonder why?

I played at 32Red today too. I got the goldbars on BDBA on a 27c bet. Nice with $150 extra to play with early.
I didn't cash out but it was several hours of fun...and that's why I'm playing.

 

[aceking123]

Keep playing only those games and you will probably keep losing. They are very high variance.
You maybe never will win or just one of 50 times.
You complain and I do not. I wonder why?

I played at 32Red today too. I got the goldbars on BDBA on a 27c bet. Nice with $150 extra to play with early.
I didn't cash out but it was several hours of fun...and that's why I'm playing.

thats good for you Tirilej good job , i do think youve got a point on the 243 slots there the ones ive been taking a battering on ,hence ive moved my play away from MG slots , but showing up there with spintee 84 quid at low stakes it a little to harsh on anyone.

 

[spintee]

Keep playing only those games and you will probably keep losing. They are very high variance.
You maybe never will win or just one of 50 times.
You complain and I do not. I wonder why?

I played at 32Red today too. I got the goldbars on BDBA on a 27c bet. Nice with $150 extra to play with early.
I didn't cash out but it was several hours of fun...and that's why I'm playing.

I do not complain I like a bit of frustraion out some times due to the fact above, Well done on wins as nice even low no withdraw its good for some play time, I gave up on bdba years ago I had fek all from that machine. Was teasd a few times with a purple doing a jump but nothing,

Thats my bad point, I stick to the same machines trying to get a nice win b4 I leave it, It took me around 5 years to give up the spring breal , ladies night ect so I gues unless I change I going to be in the same hole for years to come, I should of tested diff machines out with that balance but if I have not learned by now I guess Im nether going to

Happy Spins

 

[spintee]

thats what alot of players here are showing , not any many spins no doubt just a cripple affect , thats yet another crud session to chalk up sadly i dont see a upturn on this trend , maybe time to move along from MG & online dealings , ive been walking around town having a blast on slots on the bookie machines although im not going to get those large hits ( as there capped at 500 ) at least im having some fun , not that im doing it everday but i can pop 20 quid in & get some good play.

the last good sesssion i had was at BET_AT the other week had some realy good playtime but not playing mg

We got a couple of booikes but only ever steped foot in them a few times, There is 1 gambling hall which is a waste of time, pop in there if out and about, no casinos unless you hit the next town,

I used to love a good old shot in the pub but there just as bad now days, plus you end up aving a few and a few hundrud quid is gone and jp no where to be seen at £70, Thats the problem with even pub slots now, greedy, Threre programed to pay out and normally jp repeat but if some 1 had it and you can stick 20k in using notes, machine no what its got in so will nether pay out as not got in to pay, Alow I belive now this has been changed as they do give out notes in winnings

 

[bruinsdude]

This year saw the biggest win I have ever seen. I was at my mom's and she was betting $2.40 on Jurassic Park. She got the bonus round for the Dilophosoraus and won over $6000.00 in that bonus alone. (2500X bet) I have been playing at Microgaming for 10 years, biggest win from a modest bet I seen before that one was $2300.00 on Santas Wild Ride. I don't think this year is any bigger or lower than other years, IMO.

 

[andym]

With the increase in number of people gambling, you're bound to also see an increase in the number of people quitting.

where can you see that increase of the number of people gamling in 2014?

and why isn't there a increase in the number of screenshots in the bigwintopics? cause that would be the consequence...

 

[Googobucs]

Sorry to detract but this thread title immediately made me think of this.

 

[spintee]

My last say on this, about to make a move over Irlland for the night, Bit of drink

Trust me OP, you are not the only 1, I wish you all happy spins as Thats me done for a day or two