Am i the only one?

[funnymunny]

where can you see that increase of the number of people gamling in 2014?

Google is your friend

Seriously though, we're currently in the midst of the biggest purchase of online gaming sites - PokerStars & FullTilt by Amaya. Being a publically traded company, Amaya put together a very comprehensive presentation & included in this is the following slide illustrating continued growth...



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Based on the size / value of the purchase, and the extensive scrutiny it is under by investors, shareholders, regulators, etc, I would suggest this is likely the most reliable source of information that is in the public domain.

(If you require more info, you can also check the half-yearly reports published by other companies in public ownership (William Hill, 888, BWin, etc). They are all saying that figures have been somewhat skewed by the rise in sports betting caused by the World Cup, but there should be plenty of useful information).

and why isn't there a increase in the number of screenshots in the bigwintopics? cause that would be the consequence...

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you, but are you trying to say that you view submitted screenshots & forum topics as a sole and true indicator of market and trends?!

Good as sites such as this one are (and with the greatest respects to them), I would hazard a guess that a huge majority of recreational gamblers don't even know of the existence of these sites. Please also remember that it's been stated in this thread (by many long-term members at this site) that they don't upload their pics so often anymore.


Maybe it would be best if we just agreed to disagree. We all have different experiences & perhaps also interpret information put in front of us differently. I come from a poker background & we always share our bad-beat stories & have moments where we'd don our tin-foil hats, convinced the doom switch had been engaged on our accounts, yet we persist in playing.

If you want to blame someone, perhaps it's this guy...

 

[andym]

Google is your friend

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you, but are you trying to say that you view submitted screenshots & forum topics as a sole and true indicator of market and trends?!

Good as sites such as this one are (and with the greatest respects to them), I would hazard a guess that a huge majority of recreational gamblers don't even know of the existence of these sites. Please also remember that it's been stated in this thread (by many long-term members at this site) that they don't upload their pics so often anymore.

i totally disagree. As an argument you pointed out:

(1) More online players --> more "quitter"
So it would be also correct to say:
(2) More online players --> more "Big wins"

Dont forget we are talking here about an AVG statistic.
So if (1) is correct, (2) also is.

And im pretty sure that the players who posted a big win screenie in the past (>1000 Betsize!) will do that also now.
Im not speaking about the "normal" winner screenshots and videos. In this case im pretty sure that a lot of players wont post their screenies anymore. But thats not the issue.


And i dont want to blame someone. I just want to discuss an experience i made (and appearently also a lot of other players also).

 

[funnymunny]

i totally disagree. As an argument you pointed out:

I hadn't realised I was making an argument - I merely gave a different view/opinion & stated this...

We all have different experiences & perhaps also interpret information put in front of us differently.

(1) More online players --> more "quitter"
So it would be also correct to say:
(2) More online players --> more "Big wins"

Dont forget we are talking here about an AVG statistic.
So if (1) is correct, (2) also is.

I agree with (1) as this is seen in every aspect of everyday life. A similar example I could give is that more people are born every year. This inevitably leads to more people dying.

I do not agree with (2). As I previosuly stated, there are also more games, and suppliers entering the market. As an example of how more players won't necessariy lead to more big wins, I will use an expansion of my previous example... If the worlds population is growing year on year (fact), why are shops going out of business through lack of custom (also a fact)? Increased competition? Less disposable income? The list could go on.

As with the shop example, the same is happening online. There are more sites & more games. As others have stated, they are reducing their bets and/or spreading their game-time over many more slots/sites. This dilution means not as much money into individual slots = less money out.


I doubt it's in response to this thread, but 32Red have released their 2014 interim results this morning & some stated key performance indicators are: -

> Active casino players in first 6 months up 20% to 50,890 (H1 2013: 42,455)
> New Casino players recruited up 35% to 23,566 (H1 2013: 17,459)
> Casino cost per acquisition: £180 (H1 2013: £159)​

This prety much reinforces what I've been saying... player numbers are increasing, but so is the cost of recruiting those players (likely as a direct result of increased competition). They have also stated the following...

> Casino player yield £400 (H1 2013: £398)​

Yes, their revenues are up (average player now losing £2 more in the reported period), but they also launched a sportsbook around the same time as the world cup. (As mentioned in one of my previous posts, other PLC's have also stated that the World Cup may have skewed their results). If the increased player losses are solely down to their casino product, then this indicator could confirm what you've said in your original post about losing more this year. (Albeit on their figures, player losses over the first 6-months of this year have increased by 0.5% (i.e. less than a pint of beer)).

And im pretty sure that the players who posted a big win screenie in the past (>1000 Betsize!) will do that also now.

Maybe, but perhaps maybe not. See following post from earlier in this thread...

Heck I've more than a few 1000x on "common" games that I've not even posted because it's pointless to post them now, especially on DoA. There's a new one posted every day so no one really cares about them anymore. I've honestly lost count of the number of 1000x I've got this year and I don't play this much.

I just want to discuss an experience i made (and appearently also a lot of other players also).

Fair enough. I don't doubt you (and others) have had a bad experience. I just wanted to give my view in response to those who have suggested that the casino sites / software providers must have tweaked something in the background to make this happen.

I sincerely hope that your luck changes

 

[brianmon]

With every month we're seeing more games released & more providers too. This is great for innovation, but these can also lessen the money players are putting into each individual game. We should also remember that we are regularly seeing the existing geographical markets being carved-up & in many instances (e.g. Italy & Spain), servers have to be located in those countries. Therefore the funds those players were putting into slots on a .com site, now only fund the respective .it & .es. It stands to reason that if markets / players / wagers per slot are being diluted, then the frequency of hits isn't going to be as high.

What I don't understand about this section of the post is.. If slots are truly random, and not compensated in any way at all.
How does the number of people playing a particular game, and the amount of money going into that game, influence an individual's chances of winning, (apart from progressives)

 

[funnymunny]

What I don't understand about this section of the post is.. If slots are truly random, and not compensated in any way at all.
How does the number of people playing a particular game, and the amount of money going into that game, influence an individual's chances of winning, (apart from progressives)

RTP. Slots are designed to pay back a % of what is wagered.

In the short-term (<10,000 spins), slots can vary wildly from their stated RTP % (hence some players winning big & some players losing catastrophically / not hitting free-spins or bonus rounds / etc). However RTP is typically measured by millions, if not tens of millions of spins. Once you analyse results over that number, you will remove any short-term variance and start to get a truer reflection of how the game is designed to play & what the payout is. Therefore, with fewer players playing a game, you will get fewer spins being played. This will mean short-term variance may likely take longer to overcome.

Hope this helps.