Am i the only one?

[andym]

Hey guys,
i just want to know if im the only one here who have the strange opinion that something is going terribly "wrong" this year!?

Ill explain you why:
Check the "Quit gamling topics" for this year. Muuuuch more than the years before.
Check the BigWins Screens for this year and compare it with the last years...Can you see it?

All of that fits exactly with my onlinecasino experiences this year: There is really nothing to win (BIG!) anymore!
Im gamling now for years. Sometimes you have bad streaks - sometimes good. Sometimes you loose everything at once and once in a moon you get a really big win.

But in 2014 everything changes for me. Yes sometimes i was able to double my avg. deposit (100Eur). But thats it. No really BIG WINS. It doesnt matter if you change your betsize.
In my opinion they are fooling us terribly this year. I dont think that its any special online casino. Its the provider itself:
Netent: shitty as always except DoA. but even there it becomes much harder to get something bigger.
MG: since 2014 not even a single chance to hit something big.
in general: not even a single chance to get a longer good streak to get really big wins (10times deposit)

I dont write this cause i loose "all my money" or anything like that.
I just want to know if im the only one who made that experience in 2014.

Thanks
Andy

 

[mathsboy1975]

Hey guys,
i just want to know if im the only one here who have the strange opinion that something is going terribly "wrong" this year!?

Ill explain you why:
Check the "Quit gamling topics" for this year. Muuuuch more than the years before.
Check the BigWins Screens for this year and compare it with the last years...Can you see it?

All of that fits exactly with my onlinecasino experiences this year: There is really nothing to win (BIG!) anymore!
Im gamling now for years. Sometimes you have bad streaks - sometimes good. Sometimes you loose everything at once and once in a moon you get a really big win.

But in 2014 everything changes for me. Yes sometimes i was able to double my avg. deposit (100Eur). But thats it. No really BIG WINS. It doesnt matter if you change your betsize.
In my opinion they are fooling us terribly this year. I dont think that its any special online casino. Its the provider itself:
Netent: shitty as always except DoA. but even there it becomes much harder to get something bigger.
MG: since 2014 not even a single chance to hit something big.
in general: not even a single chance to get a longer good streak to get really big wins (10times deposit)

I dont write this cause i loose "all my money" or anything like that.
I just want to know if im the only one who made that experience in 2014.

Thanks
Andy

What do you mean by BIG ? I have made only 2 wins ever in excess of 1000x bet. I am still getting in excess of 200x bet hits - does that constitute a BIG win? I don't see anything changing as such - it's all just variance and the amount of spins you are making. I think it is easy to keep seeing the monster DOA wins and Wild Desire features and feel that you are missing out somehow. I have never had 5 wilds on DOA and maybe I never will. That being said, this is only my second year at this forum and my second year as a slots player so maybe you are talking about further back than this.

 

[Tirilej]

I will just mention the thing you write about screenies here.

I've been posting in here for around 3½ years but been playing a few years more.
In the beginning it was fun to post almost any screenie, but when time goes it's not that exiting anymore. I find myself only post winnings over 1000x, and not even them sometimes. I see no point in doing it. They look the same

The worst part is maybe that I'm not even interested in seeing anyone elses either. If I look then I know that they don't matter much to me but that I'm lucky for the guy who won. Maybe there are more like me, thinking the same.

I'm not tired of playing and I don't think I've lost anything this year after last month winnings so, I don't agree with you there.

 

[dunover]

I will just mention the thing you write about screenies here.

I've been posting in here for around 3½ years but been playing a few years more.
In the beginning it was fun to post almost any screenie, but when time goes it's not that exiting anymore. I find myself only post winnings over 1000x, and not even them sometimes. I see no point in doing it. They look the same

The worst part is maybe that I'm not even interested in seeing anyone elses either. If I look then I know that they don't matter much to me but that I'm lucky for the guy who won. Maybe there are more like me, thinking the same.

I'm not tired of playing and I don't think I've lost anything this year after last month winnings so, I don't agree with you there.

Come on, don't be a spoilsport. I'll show you mine if you show me yours....

I've also only had 2 wins of over 1000x and I'm sure I'd post them as they're so unusual. I get excited at 500x, and that's usually when I post the screenshots.

 

[mathsboy1975]

The worst part is maybe that I'm not even interested in seeing anyone elses either.

I am usually interested in seeing them and posting them if over 200x bet. However, seeing others screenies does give rise to increased levels of frustration when you are experiencing a poor run of luck yourself.

 

[Tirilej]

I am usually interested in seeing them and posting them if over 200x bet. However, seeing others screenies does give rise to increased levels of frustration when you are experiencing a poor run of luck yourself.

What is different is also betsize. If I post a 500x winning from a 30c bet then noone care. If I post the same from a $3 bet, then people would think it's great.
That's how our minds are working so nothing wrong but tiresome.

Mathsboy, don't watch them if they gets you frustrated then...or start seing it as if it's great that you have paid a little so those bastards could win some

 

[vinylweatherman]

I will just mention the thing you write about screenies here.

I've been posting in here for around 3½ years but been playing a few years more.
In the beginning it was fun to post almost any screenie, but when time goes it's not that exiting anymore. I find myself only post winnings over 1000x, and not even them sometimes. I see no point in doing it. They look the same

The worst part is maybe that I'm not even interested in seeing anyone elses either. If I look then I know that they don't matter much to me but that I'm lucky for the guy who won. Maybe there are more like me, thinking the same.

I'm not tired of playing and I don't think I've lost anything this year after last month winnings so, I don't agree with you there.

This is exactly how I feel.

I would ALWAYS post a Royal Flush, as they were exciting to get. However, the more I get, the more routine it becomes. Now I don't generally post "bog standard" Royals from a £5 stake (£4000), only those from higher stakes, double RFs (on 4-UP, which is pretty rare, hard enough to get one!), and of course a pat dealt RF. 100x bet wins are also too common to pause and post, so I have raised the threshold even higher.

Now, we have seen that people have started screenshots threads for even bigger wins, 1000x bet, and recently we had the "Hyper big win" at 10,000x bet. These are rare enough that the thread should remain at a manageable size for some time, and should be where the progressive wins made by CM members go.

If I was to scoop the Mega Moolah jackpot, of course I would post the win, and the story. It would be a crowning glory, but it might lead to a "retirement" of sorts (I'll be spending it, and £2 million or more would keep me pretty busy ). I'd post the Major too, but not the Minor and certainly not the Mini.

As for a permanent tightening, I hit an £8000 RF yesterday, the first in a while, but I haven't been playing VP as much as I used to, so it's hardly a sign that the game has been "tweaked" to pay out less.

One MAJOR reason for me posting far fewer big wins is the removal by Microgaming of all the Fruit Machines. These would produce wins of 500x bet on a regular basis, and sometimes wins of well over 1000x bet. The regular 5 reel slots produce much more in the way of smaller wins, but still substantial wins at times (100x to 300x bet), but they are not usually worth posting as they are so common.


The rise in "quit gambling" cases may be down to the recession. People have less money coming in, yet outgoings continue to rise. Some gamblers have not adjusted to this well, and may still be gambling the same as in better times, or even steadily increasing their gambling budgets. This in turn means more gamblers get their "wake up call" when they find themselves floundering out of their depth, and realise that they have to do something drastic, rather than just cut back a bit. It's harder now to borrow one's way out of the mire, and then pretend it wasn't really so bad and carry on as before after a while.

 

[KasinoKing]

I haven't noticed any change - but then I don't play high variance games chasing a "big win" anyway.
I consider anything over bet x100 as "big" - and I've still been hitting plenty of those. (Had about 4 or 5 just this week, and I haven't even been playing very much)

KK

 

[Blathaon]

Ok so in the "show me the money" thread last year (January 1 to September 21) there were 68 pages, this year in the same period there were 88 pages. i haven't actually counted the screenshots, so the difference might be smaller depending on the amount of talk between the screenshots.

And in the "winner screenshot's" thread last year (January 1 to September 21) there were 241 pages, this year in the same period there were 230 pages, not a big difference.

I'm with Tirilej, when i first started playing i posted screenshots of everything over 100x, nowadays i might post something if it's special or an exceptionally good win. Also since i post videos of my wins i normally don't post screenshots as the screenshots would then ruin the surprise of the video wins. The only exception is if i hit something exceptional, then i will post a screenshot in addition to the video.

I do like to see other people's screenshots though, so i regularly look at the screenshot threads.

 

[Tirilej]

I do like to see those videos you post and later also by some others.
Seeing them like that feels a little like I'm winning myself. I would never look at something on youtube where I don't ''know'' the people that post them.

 

[rshkrn]

I think BIG win should always be seen relative to your bet size.....a win of 100$ on a .10$ bet could be big for someone but for someone betting 10$ it could be pretty small.......

If you mean BIG in terms of the total money amount then obv those massive wins are usually jackpot related or just a massive heater on a medium-big bet.... and they should be pretty random all year around....

 

[hoff1985]

i also stopped posting every screenshot mostly only the ones that are really big or games you dom't see every day... maybe would upload more if it eould be really eqsy to dos o, but its always painful to resize them, upload pic-by-pic etc.

i also don't see any difference, i have always 100x bet wins when i play long enough... sometimes you have a good or a bad streak but in the end it's same same no matter when or where you play....

 

[petro]

The chicken bones warn of a poor 2015 as well.

 

[Balthazar]

Like many others, I no longer post screenshots unless it's something exceptional (rare game, rare win, etc). Heck I've more than a few 1000x on "common" games that I've not even posted because it's pointless to post them now, especially on DoA. There's a new one posted every day so no one really cares about them anymore.

I've honestly lost count of the number of 1000x I've got this year and I don't play this much.

PS: In the last year DoA ruined the "show me the money" thread IMHO Should have its own thread.

 

[andym]

BIG WIN for me is >=1000* betsize.
Bigger win is more than 100*betsize.

And the screenshottopic has the same or more pages this year than last year. Thats correct.
But most of the posts inside are DoA talks! No screenis...

 

[spintee]

I myself have said that things seem to have changed, Had a few good hits at the end of last year & this year the biggest hits and best hits have been 250 - 300 x , But Im a small roller so that would be on a 30p play,

If I was playing 2.50 - 3 a spin than them wins would of been some good hits money wise but the only out come would be of been lost more money, For instanse even if you get a 1000x hit you are bound to have a few more thousand spins & not decent wins so the big win can be wiped out withen hours, I have had a few decent runs but more than often money took of me quicker than its printed,

I like looking a screeines but at the same time can make me feel sick asking whyy not me? Yes its good to see the possabilitys as only takes 1 spin but what you do not see is all the dead scrrenies they also get,

Quote from my late granddad, You always hear about the wins but nether the money they lost

 

[andym]

I myself have said that things seem to have changed, Had a few good hits at the end of last year & this year the biggest hits and best hits have been 250 - 300 x , But Im a small roller so that would be on a 30p play,

exactly also my experience.
And even when you change betsize to 2Eur. Then most of the time you get 10* your bet.
Thats nothing.
If ill manage it to a 100*betsize-win then i had loose the money before.
And the strange thing since this year: most of the time its almost EXACTLY what you loose before:

Same slotbehaviour on different slots: You deposit 200 Euro and play with a betsize of 1.60Euro.
You get the feature when youre down to 40 Euro. The feature pays 160Euro.
That happens to me so often this year that the statement "slots and spins are completely random" gets more and more "bullshit" to me.

 

[dunover]

exactly also my experience.
And even when you change betsize to 2Eur. Then most of the time you get 10* your bet.
Thats nothing.
If ill manage it to a 100*betsize-win then i had loose the money before.
And the strange thing since this year: most of the time its almost EXACTLY what you loose before:

Same slotbehaviour on different slots: You deposit 200 Euro and play with a betsize of 1.60Euro.
You get the feature when youre down to 40 Euro. The feature pays 160Euro.That happens to me so often this year that the statement "slots and spins are completely random" gets more and more "bullshit" to me.

Why not just say you've been playing Netent? You've basically described what we call 'Netent Variance' there!!

A few people (including myself once regarding Immortal Romance) have said you 'buy' the big wins. I suggested that those posting 4-reel Wild Desires had lost more than that beforehand. That is until I got a 4-reel sh!tstorm on TSII (scheissensturm) on LaVida when already £200 up on the slot....

 

[Tirilej]

I'm never surprised anymore when someone are posting that things must have changed because they don't win so much now.
These posts I read here already 5 years ago.

What I can see that have changed now is that there are more games out now, more casinos to choose from, more high variance games, 243 games, less bonuses or bonuses with higher wagering.

I can also see that from time to time my own way of playing have changed a lot during these years.

So of course, the OP is right, there have been changes, but not just this year but all years.
It have not change so these casinos are paying less, because after all these threads all years they would be paying out just 5% by now

 

[lotusch]

Hey guys,
i just want to know if im the only one here who have the strange opinion that something is going terribly "wrong" this year!?

Ill explain you why:
Check the "Quit gamling topics" for this year. Muuuuch more than the years before.
Check the BigWins Screens for this year and compare it with the last years...Can you see it?

All of that fits exactly with my onlinecasino experiences this year: There is really nothing to win (BIG!) anymore!
Im gamling now for years. Sometimes you have bad streaks - sometimes good. Sometimes you loose everything at once and once in a moon you get a really big win.

But in 2014 everything changes for me. Yes sometimes i was able to double my avg. deposit (100Eur). But thats it. No really BIG WINS. It doesnt matter if you change your betsize.
In my opinion they are fooling us terribly this year. I dont think that its any special online casino. Its the provider itself:
Netent: shitty as always except DoA. but even there it becomes much harder to get something bigger.
MG: since 2014 not even a single chance to hit something big.
in general: not even a single chance to get a longer good streak to get really big wins (10times deposit)

I dont write this cause i loose "all my money" or anything like that.
I just want to know if im the only one who made that experience in 2014.

Thanks
Andy

I feel exactly what you mean.
And you are not the only one having the same thoughts.
I just think many people do not like to give their honest opinion about these kind of things on a forum like this.
I have questioned exactly the same not so long ago,maybe not in the same wordings but I fully understand your thoughts.

This year has been absolutely atrocious for me.
Especially my beloved MGS slots have been nothing then misery for me.
Honest to God,I cannot remember hitting anything over let's say 200x stake this year.

But MGS is not the only one,even Novomatic and WMS are very harsh for me sofar this year.

People always tend to say very quickly,ah you are on a bad streak.
Well this bad streak lasts for months now.
I even struggle to get ahead at all at any given deposit.
It goes straight down from the first spin,no matter what slot I play.

To throw it wide in the open,this year I am on a net loss of nearly 11k where last year I had an overall profit of 3800 Euro on the end of the year.
I keep track of all my deposits and withdrawals.

For me personally the biggest changes are the MGS slots.
Where they were very reliable to me last year,this year I am getting hammered over and over again.
Playboy had me going for 1800 spins before hitting 3 scatters!!!! and when they finally came I won 6x bet on the free spins.
That is not funny anymore,that is sick!!
Jurassic Park,same,well over 1000 spins before I had my first set of free spins and it paid less than 10x bet.
So I was already down like 400 Euro before even hitting a free spins round and then shipping me of with a lousy 10x stake.
And I can go on and on and on when it comes to MGS slots.

Fact of the matter is where they used to give you free spins around every 150-200 spins now the new method seems to suck you dry first with dead spins and letting you suffer for 1000+ spins before hitting the free spins and then ship you off with a 5-20x stake win.
Damage already done and nearly impossible to even come close to your initial deposits.

I think they have changed them.
The 243 liners are high variance,we all know that,but 1000-2000 spins without a bonus is simply unacceptable.
At least have the balls to pay at least 100x stake back.

Terminator slot,same story...Get the free spins a bit more often but NEVER seen the hot mode.
So i have to put up with crappy 5-20x bet free spin wins.


I am very close anyway to just quit online gambling.
I know the risks but if slots completely and utterly destroy your bankroll in a half hour session then it is maybe time to jump ship.

I have more fun in my local casino's where I can play a whole night with 100 quid.
Online lately that won't last me longer then 10-15 minutes max on modest stakes like €0.60-€0.90 and WMS €1.20.

It seems slot manufacturers want our money now even quicker.

Not a rant against the casino's but the ones that design these slots are getting more greedy by the day.
And yes I think they have changed the way the slots behave.
2 players hit a 3000x stake and 20.000 players won't hit jack shit.

And then finally DOA,thousands of thousands of spins on this monster and never ever hit 5 wilds or scatters while it seems the same people on this forum hit them over and over again...Like how fair is that?
I am happy for them but it frustrates me some people seem to hit 80 monster hits on them while other won't see a great hit in their entire lifetime.

Now,that my rant over!!!

But to put things short,I do believe the slots have changed or are in the process of being changed.

Gambling is one of my hobbies and I do enjoy it but for me it is also getting very expensive lately as I just can't hit anything half decent.
Bad luck?Maybe.

But bad luck on all major slot providers in the market...That sucks!

 

[funnymunny]

My 2c...

I don't think the experience has changed per-se, more the expectation...


First of all, the experience. It's gambling & in the long run, the house always wins. (I don't mean to offend anyone by that statement, but I think it's worth repeating / remembering). If you have been lucky enough to have had frequent big wins previously - well done. You were getting the up-side of this pass-time, but every thing has an opposite, so perhaps you're now experiencing this. It not nice, but this is the down-side.

Now the expectation. As some have mentioned here already, they once used to get excited about 100x and greater wins, but now they bring feeling of 'meh'. Others have mentioned the 'Winner Screenshots' thread (100x created in 2004). Then we had the 'Show me the Money' (1,000x created in 2009). In this year alone, we've added the 'Mega Wins' (3,000x), and the 'Hyper Wins' (10,000x). Now we're sharing & becoming accustomed to seeing what could be classed as holy-grail type pics, the expectation seems to be that we should get them ourselves, or experience them more often, but this isn't realistic.

There is absolutely no doubt that the multi-million £ jackpots now on offer, and slots such as DOA have been real game-changers to the industry. Not only have they brought the possibility of life-changing wins to the masses, but (IMO) they seemed to have numbed many to what used to be celebrated... Just look at the 'ScreenShots that Suck' thread as an example & the increasing frequency of posts of wins that are >50x

With every month we're seeing more games released & more providers too. This is great for innovation, but these can also lessen the money players are putting into each individual game. We should also remember that we are regularly seeing the existing geographical markets being carved-up & in many instances (e.g. Italy & Spain), servers have to be located in those countries. Therefore the funds those players were putting into slots on a .com site, now only fund the respective .it & .es. It stands to reason that if markets / players / wagers per slot are being diluted, then the frequency of hits isn't going to be as high.


I realise that some/many won't agree with me & that's fine. I just think that before depositing, we should reassess our expectations. Remind ourselves that the odds aren't in our favour, jackpots are rare, and never to chase a win.

 

[lotusch]

Good point made funnymunny.
And a good post i.m.o.
It's kinda great to get that kind of self reflection back from members.
Like I said in my post I have an aweful year and close to give up online gambling.
Maybe I should just change my play style and stop expecting to much.

I have been spoilt with a good few 500-3000x stake wins in 2013.
2014 has not been nice to me in any way and it reflects in the way I start a session on a slot now,nearly already in a bad mood before even start playing because I already know I am gonna lose that deposit.
Not good!

Thanks for your post,you are spot on I think.


Mark.

 

[andym]

I'm never surprised anymore when someone are posting that things must have changed because they don't win so much now.
These posts I read here already 5 years ago.

Then you didnt read my complete post. My thread is not about complaining that i "didnt win so much" in the last months.
Its about the change in behaviour of the slots.

As i already wrote a few posts before i am gambling for years. I had good and bad streaks. And this topic is not about a bad streak!

And as you can see i might not be the only one feeling in that way.

The easiest thing is (if you are gamling for years) compare your wins this year with the years before (of course you can only do that when your deposits and betsizes didnt change during the years!).

 

[Tirilej]

Then you didnt read my complete post. My thread is not about complaining that i "didnt win so much" in the last months.
Its about the change in behaviour of the slots.

As i already wrote a few posts before i am gambling for years. I had good and bad streaks. And this topic is not about a bad streak!

And as you can see i might not be the only one feeling in that way.

The easiest thing is (if you are gamling for years) compare your wins this year with the years before (of course you can only do that when your deposits and betsizes didnt change during the years!).

Behaviour? I see no change in behaviour as I said. I can see a difference in how I play and that it's different casinos and games out now.
Funnymunny explains that part really well.

I can not see any change in how much I lose or win. Last year I was up and so far this year I haven't lost anything. Still playing, winning and losing.
I do not play those 243 way games much. If I did I maybe would have lost.
I did read your post...but the change I've seen is what Funnymunny described and nothing else, so we just don't agree, which is fine

 

[andym]

ok, if you dont play much of these 243 slots then i can partially understand you.

However also when you check all the new MG 243 slots. Any really big win so far (comparing with the old MG slotsjust as IR or Playboy)?
I didnt see much of them.