Affiliate Union

[mojo]

I want to perhaps shed some light on why this was started in the first place. I think we have lost that in all the muck.

The affiliates right now are in crisis. What we are doing is not enough! It's not working! Term changes, stats problems, payment problems to name a few are out of control. It is getting worse and worse. AGD is only one man. He can't be expected to fight alone. He does a dam great job of it though and I personally am endebted to him. I can't say enough about AGD.

What is wrong with trying to help fight the fight? No one had to worry. This wasn't going to be another forum.

The last thing I wanted to see was harm from this. Seriously, I am aghast at the way things turned out. I was donating time and money freely. I know it's hard to believe. Others were too. No good deed goes unpunished I think is the saying.

 

[Nandakishore]

This thread and the parallel thread in the GPWA forum have shocked me. They show how a good and laudable idea can get crushed due to high degree of mistrust and aggression among those who are either involved in the process or interested in its outcomes. It is just horrifying

 

[greek39]

My Personal Opinion,

I remain certain something good will be derived from these minor distractions. The bottom line is WE NEED CHANGE! And now. Programs are changing their T&Cs or the way they conduct business every other second. Webmasters IMO have remained stagnate letting it slide for too long. Collectively individual affiliates can make change happen.

Details

Affiliate Union and the process and design in it's being have not been thought out properly.

I must ask do we continue with the outdated mindset we currently have. Or do we shake of the dust and start thinking about new and innovative approaches. Because IMO nothing seems to be working. I do not relish in the fact Grand Prive or GW are running around smoking big cigars and driving fancy cars at the expense of more nobler persons. Grand Prive should be brought down to their knees and beg for mercy. Think I enjoy watching the theft go on month after month. Do you really think the same old song and dance will work?

If your earn your keep you deserve to be paid regardless if the program is rouge or not. BTW regarding gamtrak people have went far and beyond abuse. Please give her a break already.

The fact is the AU has good intentions wait and see. I refuse to travel the same old dirt road on this one. The only mess here is the failure to stay on the intent of the thread, which was,

I am just worried that the affiliate community will become even more fragmented as a result.

My input, it already is so what difference would it make this thread demonstrates this fact.

greek39

 

[jas2587]

All affiliate communities including CAP should be coming together and acting in tandem to tackle head on the programs who have stepped out of line.


I am trying to understand this post here Cap charges dont they an the AU was or is gonna be free So how can you include Cap into this an they have a huge record of Ripping people off yes Lou is no longer with them so they say but Warren was a member toooo when all the Cap nonsense went down


Cindy

 

[greek39]

I am trying to understand this post here Cap charges dont they an the AU was or is gonna be free So how can you include Cap into this an they have a huge record of Ripping people off yes Lou is no longer with them so they say but Warren was a member toooo when all the Cap nonsense went down

IMO CAP has no business here half the reason were in this mess. But collectively individual affiliates do. A grass roots approach to solving some issues. Big or small affiliates heavy weights small weight does not matter if we are treated as equals a good thing or not?

greek39

 

[Webzcas]

I am trying to understand this post here Cap charges dont they an the AU was or is gonna be free So how can you include Cap into this an they have a huge record of Ripping people off yes Lou is no longer with them so they say but Warren was a member toooo when all the Cap nonsense went down


Cindy

My point being that any and all communities or organisations that support affiliates in this industry need to sing from the same hymn sheet. This includes CAP - as they are still in operation - Many of their current members are new blood.

If the current existing affiliate organisations are unable to work on a strategy to combat the likes of Grand Prive, then what hope does a new union, nay two proposed new unions have?

 

[greek39]

communities or organisations that support affiliates in this industry need to sing from the same hymn sheet.

From some communities or organizations have we seen adequate support for the individual affiliate. Not really IMO otherwise Mojo and another thousand individual affiliates would not be screaming their heads off. Some get the attention some don't and for me that is unacceptable.

BTW I seriously do not think we need public boards to take the fight to Grand Prive. Most process skills to make their existence miserable.

greek39

 

[mojo]

If the current existing affiliate organisations are unable to work on a strategy to combat the likes of Grand Prive, then what hope does a new union, nay two proposed new unions have?

That is my point. If the existing affiliate organizations are unable to work on a straegy, then the answer is THE AFFILIATES. The affiliates have the power that is not tapped into. Individual entities and individuals are not working! The current status quo is not effective. My ideal was claiming the right to organize as affiliates together as one.

Why say doom before there is even a try for it? That is what I don't get. Why shoot it down?

At any rate it is counterproductive to have two. So it's all moot.

 

[AussieDave]

If the current existing affiliate organisations are unable to work on a strategy to combat the likes of Grand Prive, then what hope does a new union

I'm all for discuss issues but in CM own words:

Just a polite reminder - please feel free to begin another thread dealing with any other aspect of the AU. This thread has the probability to become a monster in length, and I just want to make a preemptive strike to keep things organized. Thanks!

Or are you continuing to allow it to be off topic because it serves a purpose. A way to convolute & or avoid the APCW Anthony involvement


Cheers

Dave

 

[mojo]

I'm all for discuss issues but in CM own words:


Or are you continuing to allow it to be off topic because it serves a purpose. A way to convolute & or avoid the APCW Anthony involvement


Cheers

Dave

Dave, I don't understand.

Webzcas and the rest of us are having a healthy affiliate debate.

 

[greek39]

That is my point. If the existing affiliate organizations are unable to work on a straegy, then the answer is THE AFFILIATES. The affiliates have the power that is not tapped into. Individual entities and individuals are not working! The current status quo is not effective. My ideal was claiming the right to organize as affiliates together as one.

Why say doom before there is even a try for it? That is what I don't get. Why shoot it down?

At any rate it is counterproductive to have two. So it's all moot.

It will happen regardless who supports or not for me, for you, and for any others who demand real change. Programs will be held accountable for their sometimes brutish actions. Only then we need not worry if our labors go unappreciated.

Man I am starting to sound like Obama trying to pass Health Care Reform. Good analogy lol.

greek39

 

[casinojack]

Just need organization and a team and you guys can do well, take your time...

Don't jump the gun, and when you go forward stay focused...Don't start , then stop, then start, etc etc.

I am wishing you luck..

 

[greek39]

Thank you Jack and this is the attitude we must have, positive!

greek39

 

[jas2587]

I'm all for discuss issues but in CM own words:


Or are you continuing to allow it to be off topic because it serves a purpose. A way to convolute & or avoid the APCW Anthony involvement


Cheers

Dave

Dave I have a question for you or for any that was to be the founding members of the AU since the AU website was signed over to you (( Dave)) we can say that you now own it now I am wondering does Mr X Mr Y an Corfman have any stake in it an if so what is that stake? Was there a contract signed between Mr X Mr Y an Corfman an the founding members that was picked to head the AU?


Thanks
Cindy

 

[mojo]

Dave I have a question for you or for any that was to be the founding members of the AU since the AU website was signed over to you (( Dave)) we can say that you now own it now I am wondering does Mr X Mr Y an Corfman have any stake in it an if so what is that stake? Was there a contract signed between Mr X Mr Y an Corfman an the founding members that was picked to head the AU?


Thanks
Cindy

Thanks for the question Cindy.

The general consensus as far as the domain.. affiliateunion.org .. is that is was given to the founders in good faith to be used for the good of the union. However, Dave chose to take control and be at 'the helm'. He shut it down on the rest of us without consulting us or with our consent.

There was no contracts or anything. Just a bunch of affiliates trying to do the right thing.

 

[jas2587]

Thanks Mojo


I will think before I post what is coming to my mind lol

Cindy

 

[jod5413]

Well Jas,

The only thing I can think of is...

This "venture" was doomed from the get go because the founding members all had to many "issues", whether personal, physical, or mental, to give it any chance at all of it succeeding.

Lets see, one member is bi-polar, and possibly has other "issues", one is a drunk that likes to threaten people, one is an unknown entity, and one is too naive to be up to the task.

The fact that they are sniping at each other here at Casinomeister tells me they are not mature enough, at the least, to make this "AU" or "GAU' work.

Definitely not the right people to make this type of venture work.

 

[mojo]

Well Jas,

The only thing I can think of is...

This "venture" was doomed from the get go because the founding members all had to many "issues", whether personal, physical, or mental, to give it any chance at all of it succeeding.

Lets see, one member is bi-polar, and possibly has other "issues", one is a drunk that likes to threaten people, one is an unknown entity, and one is too naive to be up to the task.

The fact that they are sniping at each other here at Casinomeister tells me they are not mature enough, at the least, to make this "AU" or "GAU' work.

Definitely not the right people to make this type of venture work.

Ouch Jod. Downright nasty. I guess I am the naive one.

I am out of this whole "venture". As I said before.

I don't know where you got your information but no matter what you think that is not very nice of you at all to judge like that.

Not kind!

 

[greek39]

Well Jas,

The only thing I can think of is...

This "venture" was doomed from the get go because the founding members all had to many "issues", whether personal, physical, or mental, to give it any chance at all of it succeeding.

Lets see, one member is bi-polar, and possibly has other "issues", one is a drunk that likes to threaten people, one is an unknown entity, and one is too naive to be up to the task.

The fact that they are sniping at each other here at Casinomeister tells me they are not mature enough, at the least, to make this "AU" or "GAU' work.

Definitely not the right people to make this type of venture work.

Not good at all good thing i will respect the rules here.

greek39

 

[mojo]

Moderator Please Close

 

[greek39]

Don't bail Mojo because were under a noob attack lol.

I think this thread has run its course.

 

[jod5413]

No, it is not kind, it is the truth though. I am sorry, but every time someone wants to "make a difference" they do not seem to understand that their "background" counts. That simply dooms the "project" from the get go. It requires an impeccable background, and more to make people listen.

Ouch Jod. Downright nasty. I guess I am the naive one.

I am out of this whole "venture". As I said before.

I don't know where you got your information but no matter what you think that is not very nice of you at all to judge like that.

Not kind!

 

[AussieDave]

Lets see, one member is bi-polar, and possibly has other "issues", one is a drunk that likes to threaten people, one is an unknown entity, and one is too naive to be up to the task.

As I'm one that likes to be an open book, I'll put my hand up to having bi-polar...I've not hidden that fact a number of people know it...

However taking wise cracks at anyone with a disability is about as mature a school yard bullying.

You ought to be totally ashamed that you'd even think such a thing, let along post it to a public forum.

I actually pity people like you. And you think I'm the one with the mental issues

It's people like you who keep things like the KKK active.


Cheers

Dave

 

[mojo]

Don't bail Mojo because were under a noob attack lol.

I think this thread has run its course.

Personal attacks. I hope this closes.

 

[greek39]

Your an wicked breed Jod5413 what does calling people drunks, bi-polars have anything to do with the intent of the thread. If you would like to talk about people I will meet you on Dark Net in twenty. My user name is flewtrap.

You too mrractrack.

Go there it will be my pleasure.

greek39