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4 common gaming myths

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by PlexRep, Feb 1, 2011.

    Feb 1, 2011
  1. PlexRep

    PlexRep Dormant account

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    1: RTG/Microgaming/Playtech etc. is rigged.

    Ok… let’s get this one out of the way to start with. If you’re a long time member here you will no doubt have seen MANY ‘XXX is totally rigged!!’’ posts, and the more seasoned veterans amongst you thankfully take the rants that follow with the pinch of salt they deserve. That’s not to say there are not rogue casinos out there… of course there are… but I think people are too quick to attack the software providers.

    A farm can send meat to a dozen different restaurants, but how each one cooks, serves and charges you for it can vary massively. Do you blame the farmer if your steak is undercooked or badly seasoned? In a perfect world the ‘farmer’ would make sure his product is being treated with care so his own reputation does not get affected, but when making accusations of fixing and rogue behavior let’s assign the blame where it’s due. I have personally worked for a few different organizations, with various software providers behind them, and in my opinion the provider had little if any bearing on the integrity and actions of the operator.

    2: Casinos are always looking for ‘sneaky’ ways to keep your money

    Again, one of the more common myths you’ll see ‘exposed’ here at Casinomeister. In another case of ‘no smoke without fire’ there are a few operators there who just love to hide a sting in the T’s and C’s (or in some cases just hide the T’s and C’s all together!) but the reputable, accredited brands want nothing more than to simplify their bonus offers and increase on them.

    Sadly, we cannot. Fraudsters just love to exploit the bonuses offered, and as they get more and more cunning in the way they manipulate the system the ‘house’ must ,in turn, tighten the reins. If everyone was playing for the pleasure and fun of playing in a casino then game restrictions could be lifted… rollover requirements lowered… But while the bonus hunters and fraudsters remain out there, the rules will sadly stay as they are.

    Take a look at the spam folder in your e-mail, and count up the number of fraudsters and various ‘Nigerian princes’ looking to make you rich. Now imagine that a hundred or a thousand times over and you’ll understand how careful casinos have to be when exposing themselves to potential bonus abuse. Online casinos are as attractive to fraudsters as little old ladies are to muggers on pension day.

    3: The industry is on the verge of collapse

    I like to call this one ‘chicken little’ syndrome. Ever since the industry began, people have feared big brother stepping in and ruining the fun for everyone. There will always be political movement in the background, and overzealous politicians trying to decide what their constituents should and should not have access to, from alcohol, to tobacco, to online gaming. Rest assured though folks, this industry is going nowhere. Operators may come and go. Politicians will rise and fall from grace, and every now and again there will be a great deal of sabre rattling.

    All I would say is keep your eyes on the forums, and stay informed. Make sure you know the rules where you are and follow them carefully. Choose your method of financing carefully and stay away from the rogues and you’ll be fine. There will be the occasional storm, but don’t worry, it’s not actually the sky falling.

    4: Casino’s delay your withdrawal deliberately.

    There are two points I’d like to raise in response to this common accusation. Firstly, I mentioned above the political sabre rattling that affects this industry from time to time, and commonly the first place hit is the financial processor. This can cause headaches for the operators as they try to get you your funds. We don’t want your sympathy… this is our job after all.. but we would appreciate your patience and understanding.

    The second point I would make would actually be in the form of a suggestion for posters. If your withdrawal is taking longer than you thought, ask yourself this important question: ‘’Is this my first withdrawal here?’’. If the answer is yes, be patient! Those initial security checks take time but once you’re cleared by the system then you should be fine. If this is not your first withdrawal, or if you still feel it’s taking too long (and no, I don’t consider a few days too long for a first withdrawal) then PM the rep and make a polite enquiry.

    Casino operators are not fools. If we get you your withdrawal quickly then you are more likely to be a repeat customer. We’d rather you stayed with us as a customer than keep the few cents of interest we make from holding your cash for another week. To suggest otherwise really doesn't give us much credit.


    Well that’s my two cents worth. Some of the points have been raised in the forum before, but it does not hurt to provide the alternate viewpoint from time to time. You may or may not agree with all the above, but I hope you at least found it interesting if not useful. :thumbsup:
     
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  2. Feb 1, 2011
  3. Vegasbum

    Vegasbum Senior Member

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    How about some of the myths that are true...like casinos lowering the percentages that games payout.....or how free spins payout much less today than in the past.

    Anyone who has been around for a few years understand things have changed. I am not saying they cheat but perhaps they just take more of the pie then they used to.

    Here is an old link from 2002 when people complained about having to wager 7X the bonus on slots

    http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/online-casinos/162-bellavegas-nuts.html

    How times have changed
     
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  4. Feb 1, 2011
  5. plasticnote

    plasticnote Senior Member

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    Slots games are not as fun as it used to be.
    Payout is lower.
    Free spins are fewer.
    Have to spend a lot to get a good win.

    Other than that, I agree with OP.
     
  6. Feb 1, 2011
  7. rainmaker

    rainmaker I'm not a penguin CAG webmeister

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    Plexrep:

    This was really a good article! Without saying whether I agree or not, it was just a great post.
     
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  8. Feb 1, 2011
  9. BoyleCasino.com

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    Reducing the payouts of a game already certified by a jurisdiction would be a little counter-productive. Each game costs a great deal of money to produce, test and certify so I don't believe any of the reputable software providers would even consider doing this. The best way to disprove this 'myth' is to publish expected RTP's which Wagerworks do. I've worked in the industry for a long time and have never had to reduce the payout of a specific game.

    Free spins and bonuses are tied in to the RTP so their hit frequency and payback is all dependant on this.
     
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  10. Feb 1, 2011
  11. Vegasbum

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    How about RTG casinos who have 3 settings for paybacks. Do you believe any use the highest return setting?
     
  12. Feb 1, 2011
  13. Rick Deckard

    Rick Deckard Experienced Member

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    The problem this presents as I see it is the ordinary player new to online gaming becomes the exploited one.

    With bonuses designed to deter and stop fraudsters. How genuinely would the ordinary player new to online gaming have the remotest chance of winning something. It's almost as if the once exploited have become the exploiters.

    There must be a better way of introducing new customers to online gaming. A think tank or a technological solution to eradicate the fraudsters. Anything would be better than the current way of doing things which IMO leaves new and old players dissapointed and skeptical.
     
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  14. Feb 1, 2011
  15. Diane

    Diane Ueber Meister PABnoaccred

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    Perhaps more links are needed to this site. CM has it all for those who are willing to take the time to read and benefit from the knowledge of others, especially in regards to the accredited casinos.
     
  16. Feb 1, 2011
  17. De Beuker

    De Beuker Senior Member

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    Great post Plexrep!:thumbsup:

    The only part I highly disagree with is the quoted part above.
    You more or less suggest that the softwareprovider has no responsibility to who they licence their software to.

    Lets just say I'm a farmer who sells high quality meat to restaurants.
    And lets say my meat is well known, a top brand, restaurants are actually advertising they sell the infamous DeBeuker Meat.:D

    But one of those restaurants is making a mess.
    Their cooks are urinating in the frying pans, they burn the meat till its all black and are thus dragging MY name through the dirt!!:mad:

    I would be furious, and no matter how much they paid me, they would be out off my customerbase immediately, go get your meat somewhere else, BASTARDS!

    I tink RTG and Rival should do more to protect their customers from rogue operators. These operators are dragging THEIR name through the dirt.
    Why can Microgaming do this, and why can other softwareproviders not do this?:confused:
     
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  18. Feb 1, 2011
  19. ceks79

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    PlexRep,

    LMFAO....is this a parody post or what?? LOL!!

    OMG....LOOOL!!
     
  20. Feb 1, 2011
  21. rainmaker

    rainmaker I'm not a penguin CAG webmeister

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    Oh...it`s you again
     
  22. Feb 1, 2011
  23. all4greed

    all4greed Now we can do business.

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    I agree with most of what you wrote. Casino's DO delay withdrawals deliberately if they have no funds to pay players and make up lame excuses. Even a newb can gather that just by reading the threads. This stall tactic gets further escalated if the casino is going to close shop.

    Seen that for over a decade so it's nothing new. Yes, I've been burned once or twice and it had nothing to do with processor problems...
     
  24. Feb 1, 2011
  25. ceks79

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    First of all, all software ARE rigged but with that I dont say its unfair...the fact the software is set to a certain average payout of around 95-98% is a wat of riggage...but you gotta accept that playing, nothing is random though. And we all have seen this strange acting occoring mostly...for ex in the beginnign of a gamesession you hit many free spins features but if you play long enough everything just dies... Ill leave it there...

    yeah, I wonder where the "Nigerian princes" have got hold of my email adress...?? Probably buying emails from the casino Ive signed up at...

    Interseting you bringing this up and defending this act...so you can go on delaying.
    Sure, I take it my first withdrawal could take 24 hours... But there is absolutly no need at all to delay a withdrawal from a approved player with an ewallet more than a few minutes. For ex. a player using NETELLER there is no need to go any deeper cause it impossible to cheat the casino it deposites have been made through NETELLER or like.

    And its no myth casino saves atleast 70% of any withdrawal when the player reverse the amount while waiting. You probably have coarses to all your casino emplyees that is about "How to keep money goins out from the casino". The worlds biggest online industi is probably more advanced than that!

    And there is no security at all whne we come to deposits...a credit card depssit is instantly accepted and have been since I started playing online in 1998...and STILL most casino do not offer instat withdrawals even though many are these days....

    Its funny...I go to live support, they are there instanty and have all the time in the world...why not put a cashier in the live support, checking my details as a new player confirming my doc and then hit the transfer button...how hard could it be in 2011??
    And this delaying and player often reverse and lose...you casino use players weakness to get tonnes of many back, and dont come say player doin that have problems, it is somethign that is not part of the game and casinos should try to take the people money in the games, not outside the games! If I wanna cashout $10000 and being denyed by the cashier with only allow $3000/week it is my fault if I play away $7000 but I would have $7000 extra on my NETELLER if your rules were fair and had a much higer limit!
    Dont talk crap about the processors and so on...its like I said 2011 and mnay casinos offers instant withdrawals, what is the problem with all other casino? Ill tell ya, its all about keeping player money from leaving the casino!

    And how could it be so hard for you to keep the so called fraudsters and honter away? In 99% of the cases they will never get any money, why focus on them so much? Sure if they use credit cards they should be investigated but give all us with ewallets a break, threat us with respect! And approved players with old credit cards too. Its sounds you are happy you can blame all this fraudsters trying to get the free $10 with a max cashout of $100 to a fake NETELLER(?) or so so you can delay ALL other withdrawal transactions form the majority of honset players.

    Let me say we players are not fools!! We have seen sooo many unethical promos and threatment of us players and complicated rules just to fool new players....and its still goin on...here, get $2000 signup bonus keep alla your winning* then max transfer is $100 and a min deposit of $25 needed and then 30X playthrough on that and still a max cashout or something...LOL. I can write a book about stupid casino operators...too bad there are soo many stupid, or better word is "unexperienced" players out there that fall in all this wholes in the T&C.
    There are stupid unethical rules everywhere and you can clearly see the intenstions behind it....get as much money from player, suck them out, rape the new players as much as possible before they finally understand and so on.

    And you you cant processing people/cashiers work weekends? Live support can, I can...everybody can like at some casinos. Thre is only one reason! To delay withdrawal...and/or maybe the casino personal is totally uninterested in running their casino with good service...they are tired..fat and lazy and dont give a damn and rather sit home and drinking beer then giving players their money whe nthey finally have won...that is why they dont work weekends!

    I can write 100X more about this but Ill spare you that...give us our money and start working!
     
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  27. ksech

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    Is it me or do you just need this forum and the online casinos to take your frustrations out on? You're very derogatory and insinuating in your posts. Believe it or not, you DO have a choice. You can choose NOT to play if you feel you are being "mistreated", but then you wouldn't have anything to whine about.

    @PlexRep, that was one of the most informative posts BY a rep I have read in a while, thank you for that! Hopefully, members will keep this civil and some good debates can evolve from it.
     
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  29. max1mike

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    no. nothing sneaky about it.

    they just keep changing the timeframe they set as to when we are supposed to get paid.

    first its of course, the mandatory 48 hours just "because" cause.

    then, you'll get your money within 3-7 "working days".

    then of course is the "processor problem" problem, which will no doubt add another week or so to your wait.

    don't forget that the "guy who told you 3-7 days was incorrect", its actually 7-14 working days.

    nope, nothing sneaky there at all, they just keep it until they are ready to send it out.

    anyone EVER get an exact answer to the question "can you give me a date when i will have my money?"
     
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  30. Feb 1, 2011
  31. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    Excuse me, but we're having a conversation here. :mad:

    Whatever. Seems like someone needs to quit gambling. How about a seven day suspension for being a troll?

    See you next week. Bye.
     
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  33. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    Great thread - thanks for getting it started :thumbsup:

    Just to chime in:
    4: Casino’s delay your withdrawal deliberately.

    I would say that this was true a number of years ago. There were scores of casinos holding back on funds hoping that the player had that "itch" and would play those funds back. But since the competition is so fierce, casinos will lose players in droves since so many casinos can either flush accounts upon request, have no holding period (Crypto), or pay within 24 hours. I think that it's the opposite now. The quicker one pays its players and affiliates, the word will get out and the business will (should) thrive.

    US facing operations: I don't think players (and many affiliates for that matter) understand the complexities of serving the US player. Operators need to monitor all of their transactions 24/7. Those that do will stay on top of everything, those that let it slide will end up as no pay/slow pay casinos that you see showcased in this forum :p
     
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  35. Deeplay

    Deeplay New World Order CAG mm1 webmeister

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    Damn you are a pain in the ass! Now run along and sit back in your corner.
     
  36. Feb 1, 2011
  37. ksech

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    If the various platforms became more strict in who/how they provide licenses, perhaps we would see less roguish operations. I'm not 100% positive that it's so much the software providers as it is the operators. The operators are the ones who make the choices of sometimes ridiculous T&Cs, weird bonuses with whacked out WR and the choice on how quickly they can/will process a withdrawal. The software providers don't make these decisions.

    I think we are, or almost all, are in agreement that if one casino can payout in under 24 hrs, then why can't they all? Okay, so different withdrawal methods mean different timeframes for withdrawals, can't the casinos post in their banking that say, if you with draw using an ewallet you will have your money in X amount of hrs, if you withdraw using wire transfer you must wait X amount of days, etc. This would give the players some idea of how long they need to wait to receive their money. I don't think it an absurd assumption that it can be done, when we see testimony every day of such and such casino pays out in under 24/48 hrs to XXX method.
    To me, this would show the casino WANTS to assure it's loyal players, they aren't being "dicked" around when it comes to withdrawal time.

    I am awaiting the day when US players have regained their freedom of choice for which platform they want to play at (and have the choice of ALL available games). It seems it may be a pipe-dream right now the way things are going. But, it seems that more and more countries are trying to stifle their citizens when it comes to online gaming. US players aren't the only ones "suffering" from restrictions, but perhaps MORE restrictions than others. Of course, we can only go by what OUR experiences are, as no others can walk in our shoes.

    I don't think we will ever see online gaming disappear, but it would be nice to see vast improvements to player recognition with all of the technology available.
     
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  38. Feb 1, 2011
  39. Deeplay

    Deeplay New World Order CAG mm1 webmeister

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    True or at least it should be however I know of 1 of 2 accredited MG casinos that have done a U-Turn in the past year switching from allowing players to flush to no flush, and no withdraws over weekends. Not going to name them as dont want this very good thread to become a bash. Just pointing out that not all casinos adhere to what you said above (which I as a player fully agree with) in the cases where a casinos policy of flushing shifts to a no flush rule along with dropping cashouts being processed at the weekend has to be for 1 reason only - the hope that as many players as possible will reverse.

    But still they are some great outfits who do flush and who do pay 7 days a week. US facing casinos I can understand are having a hard time processing wise, but this should not really affect payout times especially for regular customers.
     

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