~$3500 in Fradulent Neteller Charges Today

aka23

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Today, I found the following attempted charges on my Neteller account. All of these attempted charges are fradulent:

Jan 21 10:14 Betway $728.00 - USD Declined
Jan 21 10:04 EFT InstaCash-5764 - $816.75 USD Declined
Jan 21 10:04 Fee $66.75 - USD Declined
Jan 21 06:42 Betway $700.00 - USD Declined
Jan 21 01:01 Doyle Brunson Poker Network $300.00 - USD Declined
Jan 21 00:58 Doyle Brunson Poker Network $700.00 - USD Declined
Fortunately all of the charges were declined since US players cannot use Neteller. Neteller sent me a new security code, but will not investigate this further since the charges were all declined. However, I really want to catch this guy. Any ideas on how to do this? I plan to contact the sites he attempted to charge and try to work with them.

Obviously, I am also going to check my computer for viruses and check my other accounts for fraudulent charges.
 

lojo

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Wow.

Interesting the timing of the attempts and the odd amounts of the last three. I wonder if they convert to another currency's whole numbers... might be a clue there.

*running off to check my account now*

Looks like Venesualen Bolivars to me. Good luck, could be a veil
 
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Mousey

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Sorry this happened, aka, but perhaps you can find out just where the security failure lies? Please keep us updated as to what you find out.

P.S. I am glad there was some good to come out of NETeller barring US transactions.

Isn't it strange that these theives always attempt these fraudulant transfers to poker rooms? Shouldn't the poker rooms be able to track these people down?
 

Sodax77

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Jan 21 01:01 Doyle Brunson Poker Network $300.00 - USD Declined
Jan 21 00:58 Doyle Brunson Poker Network $700.00 - USD Declined


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Jan 21 10:14 Betway $728.00 - USD Declined
Jan 21 06:42 Betway $700.00 - USD Declined

www.betway.com
Carmen Media Group Ltd.
IT Department
Gibraltar
Gibraltar, GI

:confused:
 

tennis_balls

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i would expect to see a lot of this in the near term. i suspect many employees of casinos are about to lose their jobs so the temptation is much greater to try to use player info or to sell it to criminals on the outside.
 

lojo

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i would expect to see a lot of this in the near term. i suspect many employees of casinos are about to lose their jobs so the temptation is much greater to try to use player info or to sell it to criminals on the outside.


Now that's a scary thought. At least it won't do them much good trying to peck away at Neteller for yanks... Could be a coincidence, but the funds they tried to take from AKA23 all relate to conversions to Bolivars. Of course that doesn't mean the sh*ts were in Venezuala, just possibly using that currency.
Other than Neteller set-up (it was pretty intrusive for me) I've only ever provided docs to one casino processor and now I don't even know if I'll cash the check when it gets here from the Mediterranean. :confused:
 

jerrylee

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Working for a casino, I hear all kinds of stories from players who claim didn't open accounts, register their CC, etc.. yet still made purchase requests. Their relatives did it, their neighbors, or hackers.. uh huh :what:
So aka, are you sure it wasn't Ice Cream who logged onto your neteller account?
 

RobWin

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Working for a casino, I hear all kinds of stories from players who claim didn't open accounts, register their CC, etc.. yet still made purchase requests. Their relatives did it, their neighbors, or hackers.. uh huh :what:
So aka, are you sure it wasn't Ice Cream who logged onto your neteller account?


What Casino do you work for Jerrylee ?
 

aodat2

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Holy dumbness!!!

What kind of a question is that Jerrylee? Account logged in by Ice Cream? Are you being stupid or are you just an idiot? Coming from someone who works in a Casino, you're awfully stupid to answer such a question with the answer you gave.

1. Would anyone try telling you anything if it's not fraudulant, furthermore the charges didn't even go through.
2. Would he show you the logs if he did it himself and failed.
3. Knowing Neteller has already blocked US players, would he be stupid enough to try depositing and when it doesn't go through, complain about it?

You're just being really stupid, Jerrylee!!!
 

indicka

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Sep 28, 2006
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bright side of the road
Today, I found the following attempted charges on my Neteller account. All of these attempted charges are fradulent:


Fortunately all of the charges were declined since US players cannot use Neteller. Neteller sent me a new security code, but will not investigate this further since the charges were all declined. However, I really want to catch this guy. Any ideas on how to do this? I plan to contact the sites he attempted to charge and try to work with them.

Obviously, I am also going to check my computer for viruses and check my other accounts for fraudulent charges.

aka-
Good luck with tracking this guy.

I had a similar experience with Neteller this past week.."Unauthorized NetellerInstacash deposits >$5000!!"

Neteller was not helpful to me. The one and only email I received from their security and investigations dept. highlighted that they are not responsible, and that if I wanted to pursue this matter, then they would cooperate. This passive approach by their security team was alarming and reminded me just how little Neteller really cares about their customers.

If and when you catch this person(s), kick him in his nuts a couple for me. I'd really appreciate it.

:cheers: double Cheers! :cheers:
 

wangpoker

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aka-
Good luck with tracking this guy.
:cheers: double Cheers! :cheers:

without neteller's co-operation it's hard to track the guy.
Neteller never wants to make this kind of mess public.
many ppl think money in neteller is safe. it's never been true.
 

jerrylee

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Holy dumbness!!!

What kind of a question is that Jerrylee? Account logged in by Ice Cream? Are you being stupid or are you just an idiot? Coming from someone who works in a Casino, you're awfully stupid to answer such a question with the answer you gave.

1. Would anyone try telling you anything if it's not fraudulant, furthermore the charges didn't even go through.
2. Would he show you the logs if he did it himself and failed.
3. Knowing Neteller has already blocked US players, would he be stupid enough to try depositing and when it doesn't go through, complain about it?

You're just being really stupid, Jerrylee!!!


aodat2 thank you for the compliments! But do you know who Ice Cream is? IC is his dog!
hey guess u can't handle a joke huh :D
 

RobWin

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clue: accredited and banned US players.
not official rep here though so that's all I can say. I can offer feedback on general inquiries though from a behind the scenes perspective. no specifics though, there are confidentiality agreements involved.
:what:

aodat2 thank you for the compliments! But do you know who Ice Cream is? IC is his dog!
hey guess u can't handle a joke huh
:what:


Who are you Jerrylee......The Riddler ?

Is someone watching you or after you or something...never heard someone try to mask and be so vauge as you before.

What gives ?
 

vinylweatherman

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Neteller

Neteller should investigate, just because no crime too place does not mitigate the fact that a serious breach occurred, and could happen successfully in the future. An investigation could at least lead to advice on preventing the problem in the future, or are Neteller afraid of the answer to this!
 

Random#rs

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Warning

There is still a threat here for anyone who has money in NETeller. Neteller has blocked 'Casino transactions' for the U.S. ; but they said you could use the account for anything else. There are Peer to Peer, and Peer to Merchant transactions that are not disallowed by U.S. accounts. Yes a Peer to Peer or Merchant could be traced but they might be setups, ghosts, created a while back just for this occasion. By the time they get to the destination of the actual money they could find nothing there, a phantom.

Only an idiot criminal would try to tap out a U.S. account through a Casino or Poker room. If information like this is actually being leaked now, the real crooks will approach it quite differently. They may be already setup for it and just waiting for enough account information. They would do it quickly, I'm sure.

Aka may have a Virus or key-Logger that did it but there are two reports here and one was hit for 5000. It is a lot more logical that employees or stolen data bases are involved as mentioned in the thread.
 

aodat2

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aodat2 thank you for the compliments! But do you know who Ice Cream is? IC is his dog!
hey guess u can't handle a joke huh :D

Truth is, I don't really care if Ice Cream is his wife or anyone for that matter of fact. You told us that you have heard stories before and I agree with you on that. I'm sure you have heard of the most stupid stories anyone could ever tell BUT who would ever lie of not being able to deposit and call it a fraud? Think about it, if he was lieing, why would he lie on such an accord?

I don't really care if you're working in a casino or not but calling him a liar or trying to insinuate such a thing is totally OUT OF THE QUESTION! Thus making everything you say totally WRONG in my book.

Sorry if I sound a little harsh but facts still remain that you almost called him a liar.
 

jerrylee

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Truth is, I don't really care if Ice Cream is his wife or anyone for that matter of fact. You told us that you have heard stories before and I agree with you on that. I'm sure you have heard of the most stupid stories anyone could ever tell BUT who would ever lie of not being able to deposit and call it a fraud? Think about it, if he was lieing, why would he lie on such an accord?

I don't really care if you're working in a casino or not but calling him a liar or trying to insinuate such a thing is totally OUT OF THE QUESTION! Thus making everything you say totally WRONG in my book.

Sorry if I sound a little harsh but facts still remain that you almost called him a liar.

aodat2 you want to settle this by PM?
I did not call anyone a liar. You are just blowing this out of proportion.
But believe me the stories I see can make anyone skeptical of a player's "honorable" intentions.

In aka's case it sounds like a keylogger on his PC, how else will someone get both username and password? With all the casino applications, etc. he downloads as a bonus hunter, it's not hard to imagine.
 

Rusty

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You seem to know a lot about him Jerrylee.
By the way I think you are an attention seeker who has little or nothing to do with any Casino.Just MO of course
 

vinylweatherman

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aodat2 you want to settle this by PM?
I did not call anyone a liar. You are just blowing this out of proportion.
But believe me the stories I see can make anyone skeptical of a player's "honorable" intentions.

In aka's case it sounds like a keylogger on his PC, how else will someone get both username and password? With all the casino applications, etc. he downloads as a bonus hunter, it's not hard to imagine.


In order to defraud Neteller in this manner, the PASSWORD is not needed. If you go into any casino banking page, only TWO of the FOUR Neteller "codes" are needed to transact. With only the Neteller account number and the 6 digit personal code a transaction will go through. The PASSWORD only guards access to the online account management function. A player's E-mail address is incredibly easy to get, and the Neteller account number is saved in many casino banking pages. The ONLY information needed to make the deposit is the 6 digit code. Only the PASSWORD is encrypted when entered into Neteller, the account number and 6 digit code are repeated as is.

I suspect the fraud is easy, and if jerrylee knows about casinos, should also know how many pieces of Neteller information are needed to initiate a deposit successfully. It is either "acct & code" or "acct, code, & Neteller E-mail matching casino E-mail".
A fraudster would need to harvest either just the first two, or all three - then register a casino account. Previous threads have indicated that casinos cannot use Neteller to verify a player's ID and have to resort to asking for documents; however, this security check is only done when a player WINS. If the player withdraws less than the original deposit, or plays without a bonus, most casinos don't make life dificult and process without further checks.

One question that needs to be asked of these players who reported these frauds is What security and/or firewall protection were you using at the time.

The players affected also need to check for any kind of malware on their machines. This might indicate the criminals are ahead of the game in firewall technology. If it turns out that an affected player had no issues of security on the PC, then it is likely the leak came from within the casino industry. With all these cases of players sending rafts of documentation and casino CS repeatedly claiming "you didn't send, send again", sometimes half a dozen times, there is great scope for theft of enough information to tap a Neteller account, or indeed any deposit method as it seems so easy for it to "disappear" once sent to the casino. As I said earlier, it isn't "lost", it is in the wrong department in the casino, or may even have been intercepted and stolen by a CS agent and never passed on - this is shockingly lax and the industry has done little to improve matters. As for keyloggers, much of the malware hitches a ride on the casino software modules, or from the websites - many have experienced the aggressive nature of casino sites that try very hard to initiate a drive by download of what we believe is only the casino, but is often some third party "helper" application, which is totally unnecessary with BROADBAND, which many players have now.
Can jerrylee assure us that the casino he works for simply has a passive link to a straight forward Windows download of nothing but the casino self extracting ZIPPED archive.

To sum up, players tell tall tales, but they pale into insignificance when compared with the taller tales that some casino CS and management come out with. If some casinos insist on treating players like scum, harldy surprising when the players then behave like scum towards the casino.
 

vinylweatherman

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Serious

A poster on 2+2 just reported nearly $6000 in fraudulent Neteller charges from the same casinos I listed in my post yesterday --
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This is more than an isolated incident! Perhaps there is some laxity in the sign up process at Betway that allows anyone to use any Neteller account with just the account number and Neteller PIN, without any kind of E-mail match. Possibly Betway will willingly process a withdrawal to an alternative means than the deposit source, such as check. The player can pass all document checks as this is not the fraud (bogus ID/bonus fraud), it is a stolen Neteller account being used!
I have seen a few casinos that allow a player to register and use multiple Neteller accounts, yet Neteller allows only ONE account per person - clearly a big loophole on the casino's side!

I shall have to keep a close eye on my own Neteller account:eek2:
 

jerrylee

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You seem to know a lot about him Jerrylee.
By the way I think you are an attention seeker who has little or nothing to do with any Casino.Just MO of course

Now now Rusty, didn't I help you in the past? Don't you remember recently when I helped you with screenshots?

Yes I used to look up to mr. aka when he seemed to have it all, so much success, a gf and a wonderful puppy. Then we read about his breakup b/c she couldn't take the excessive time he invested into gambling. Then I heard his puppy got depressed and rail thin from lack of appetite and I thought..well no wonder, maybe she's left alone all day without the attention she deserves. Like leaving a baby alone without the mother it needs. That brought tears to my eyes. My favorite breed of all, the german shepherd and she was being neglected. Just goes to show how far the gambling addiction goes when people lose track of their loved ones.

But again, we're off topic here.
 
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