Youtube banning slot streaming

[trancemonkey]

@trancemonkey I'm 99.9% sure you are wrong about rocknrolla. But for the others you have to factor in the +EV deals they get as @Tengil pointed out. Then you have to factor in the affiliate money. Casino grounds is doing somewhere in the region of 400k euro a quarter. It's serious coin.

I'm quite happy to be wrong - for all i know he could be a hedge-fund manager with massive amounts of wealth... But still, for me i feel it's irresponsible to stream betting at those type of levels, whether they can afford it or not. But also equally i'm against censorship - so i'm a bit torn. As someone in the industry it is our moral duty (and quite possibly legal duty) to encourage responsible gambling, and to be honest, i just can't reconcile how this is responsible...

I'm so torn

 

[VismundCygnus]

Nope the movie was for a die hard player like me quite disappointing..
Part 2 is supposed to be much better.
Problem with first part was that they jumped in the middle of the lore instead of the beginning and also most actors were mediocre at best.

Let's see part 2, scheduled for mid 2019.

Really? I think the movie was absolutely glorious, best fantasy movie since LotR. The detail and art on the animations is unlike anything I've ever seen, plot and writing on point too.

 

[dunover]

I'm quite happy to be wrong - for all i know he could be a hedge-fund manager with massive amounts of wealth... But still, for me i feel it's irresponsible to stream betting at those type of levels, whether they can afford it or not. But also equally i'm against censorship - so i'm a bit torn. As someone in the industry it is our moral duty (and quite possibly legal duty) to encourage responsible gambling, and to be honest, i just can't reconcile how this is responsible...

I'm so torn

Trust me it is real - on a 100e NDP deal plus 30% RS say, and with 10-15k subscribers they easily earn 10-20k per weekend. But they spend it all on slotting, or most of it and then for tax reasons they can report a loss/breakeven at end of the year by writing off gambling losses as 'marketing'. Not sure how the UK IRS would see that but there you go. The one concession they often get though is freedom from stake limits on their bonuses, so they can raise the maximum stake. Depends what deal they have with any given casino.

 

[trancemonkey]

Trust me it is real - on a 100e NDP deal plus 30% RS say, and with 10-15k subscribers they easily earn 10-20k per weekend. But they spend it all on slotting, or most of it and then for tax reasons they can report a loss/breakeven at end of the year by writing off gambling losses as 'marketing'. Not sure how the UK IRS would see that but there you go. The one concession they often get though is freedom from stake limits on their bonuses, so they can raise the maximum stake. Depends what deal they have with any given casino.

Thanks for the clarification Dunover... looks like i might be wrong then.

 

[Borgie]

I simply don't believe Nick Slots or CasinoDaddy or Rocknrolla are real... even with affiliate income I can't see how they would make enough to bet at 5 quid for 6 hours a day...

Let's assume they play 96% slots straight for six hours at an average bet of 3 quid. Then let's assume the average game time is 4 seconds to allow for features etc...

That's 15 games a minute. In 6 hours that's 5400 games per day.

Which is £16,200 wagered.

At 96% that would be an average loss of £642 a day. Assume an average of 25 days streaming and that's a loss of £16,050 a month.

Rocknrolla is betting at probably an average of 10 quid a spin, if not higher. So he would need to clear at least 50k a month profit just to cover his losses.

Now I know affiliates can earn a lot of money but is that realistic? Can they clear 16k profit a month AND have enough to live on?!

If so, then I'm in the wrong job...

But also their career is out of their hands.... if YT or Twitch or one of thr GC's ban them, that's career over. Very risky.

Re Nickslots - I do sometimes dip into his stream and have done since the beginning - he regularly shows his deposits and withdrawals. He streams 4 days a week for approx. 4 hours a day. His bet sizes can vary between about 2 to 8 quid - they only went up to theses higher amounts after Leo Vegas brought out Casinogrounds - Remember they paid something like 3 million for it or will have done by the end of the buy out . Nick would have got a large share of that as he was one of the 4 previous owners - - he is and was before he started streaming a very successful affiliate marketer - not just a casino affiliate .

The casinos he streams on are mostly accredited here so if they were allowing fake money - that would have serious implications for their accreditation ! I am convinced he is NOT fake though.

Nicola on here watches Nick too from time to time and I know she believes he is genuine.

I honestly believe Rockinrolla is genuine too although I don't know much about his circumstances but if you watch him his reactions seem totally real !

Casinodaddy its difficult to tell - there are 4 of them in the partnership - so 4 lots of money to input - they have their own company but they have so many casinos they stream on it could well be that some of those do allow fake money also I would question their viewer count may be using a view bit

 

[dunover]

Neither of them are fake.

 

[slotter999]

@trancemonkey What happens to those morals when your company decides £100+ max bet size is 'about right'?

You and your company are in unique position to do something about it i.e. simply do not offer your games at those stake levels.

The only provider limiting stakes at the moment is BTG and the assumption is that is they are insulating the casinos and not the players.

But back to the streamers....as someone who has watched them evolve over the years there is definitely something I call 'streamer inflation' which is the persistent upward trend of betsize + bankroll. I guess once the money starts pouring in 80p spins aren't gonna cut it anymore.

 

[zap987]

Well, with the bonuses they get it's in their best interest to bet as high as allowed, same as for every other player.

I really don't understand this fixation on stake levels when it comes to responsible gambling. I'm sure there are plenty of people with a gambling problem that never bet over 1 euro, bet size only matters in relation to what someone can afford. I'd imagine it's actually more likely someone depositing 100 euro and spending hours spinning at 0.40 is going to be a problem gambler than someone depositing the same 100 euros and going 5 euro spins and win or lose fast. It doesn't matter at all if max bet is 2 or 100 euros, a gambling addict will still lose all their money fast.

 

[Webzcas]

Regards RockNRolla, he is legit and is also a member here at Casinomeister.

 

[interlog]

Regards RockNRolla, he is legit and is also a member here at Casinomeister.

He is legit.

People forget too how he plays. He does small deposits and works his balance up with roulette and black jack. Once the balance is up, he goes silly stakes on the slots.

 

[trancemonkey]

@trancemonkey What happens to those morals when your company decides £100+ max bet size is 'about right'?

You and your company are in unique position to do something about it i.e. simply do not offer your games at those stake levels.

The only provider limiting stakes at the moment is BTG and the assumption is that is they are insulating the casinos and not the players.

But back to the streamers....as someone who has watched them evolve over the years there is definitely something I call 'streamer inflation' which is the persistent upward trend of betsize + bankroll. I guess once the money starts pouring in 80p spins aren't gonna cut it anymore.

BTG are probably limiting the stakes due to the the maximum liability of the game, but of course i don't know that for definite...

 

[trancemonkey]

He is legit.

People forget too how he plays. He does small deposits and works his balance up with roulette and black jack. Once the balance is up, he goes silly stakes on the slots.

Then i quite happily retract what i said about Nickslots, Rocknrolla and CasinoDaddy - thank you for the clarification....

 

[JGslots]

Ah, Rocknrolla, didn't he clear 250k out of GUTS before they pulled the plug on the bonuses? Hehe, good on him.

He's a real honest bloke, says how it is, he gets deposit bonuses and attempts to make as much as possible, however he is a complete degenerate gambler. Great to watch as his play is so volitile.

Rob

 

[sufferinsilence]

Well, with the bonuses they get it's in their best interest to bet as high as allowed, same as for every other player.

I really don't understand this fixation on stake levels when it comes to responsible gambling. I'm sure there are plenty of people with a gambling problem that never bet over 1 euro, bet size only matters in relation to what someone can afford. I'd imagine it's actually more likely someone depositing 100 euro and spending hours spinning at 0.40 is going to be a problem gambler than someone depositing the same 100 euros and going 5 euro spins and win or lose fast. It doesn't matter at all if max bet is 2 or 100 euros, a gambling addict will still lose all their money fast.

Not sure I fully agree here. Most people spinning at 40 cents on a 100 deposit are probably trying to have as much entertainment out of their money as they can whilst if you do bigger spins you're looking for that thrill/rush to feed your addiction. Now that doesn't mean either of them can be a problem gambler.

 

[BrianGhattas]

Looks like the streamers are having issues with YouTube again. What is going on here?

 

[dunover]

they're still there.

 

[goatwack]

Whatever happens now, it'll only inevitably come back round again....

 

[Borgie]

Looks like the streamers are having issues with YouTube again. What is going on here?

Yes you tube apparently said they had made a mistake gave a couple of streamers back their channels and then promptly banned them again!

 

[trancemonkey]

Not sure I fully agree here. Most people spinning at 40 cents on a 100 deposit are probably trying to have as much entertainment out of their money as they can whilst if you do bigger spins you're looking for that thrill/rush to feed your addiction. Now that doesn't mean either of them can be a problem gambler.

I most definitely disagree - and i would think most gambling addiction charities would too. When people chase losses, they almost always up their bets in order to try and recoup.. if someone is a grand in the hole, they are unlikely to carry on just betting a a quid, they are more likely (and i imagine there is statistical evidence to prove this) to bet bigger to try and get their losses back.

 

[sufferinsilence]

I most definitely disagree - and i would think most gambling addiction charities would too. When people chase losses, they almost always up their bets in order to try and recoup.. if someone is a grand in the hole, they are unlikely to carry on just betting a a quid, they are more likely (and i imagine there is statistical evidence to prove this) to bet bigger to try and get their losses back.

Responsible would be if they don't chase their losses and keep to their usual deposit of 100 and spinning at 40 cent Ofcourse I agree that depositing more, or more often, and betting higher to recoup losses is definitely a big sign of problem gambling.

 

[FAZI1]

Regards RockNRolla, he is legit and is also a member here at Casinomeister.

If we talking abaout real / not real money streamers - Most suspect is ... Roshtein.

few fact abaout him :

a) He play in highroller style almost everyday with 5k deposits and he choose for play ONLY some low quality casinos and NEVER play in any high quality brand.
A little strange ?- Most highrollers / or legit affiliate casino stremers advertise several brands and they set up affiliate cooperation and in same time play mainly in big popular brands/ casinos .

So Roshtein decided the best for him will be Set up affiliate deals and continue "legit highroller Play " ONLY in low quality casinos ? it looks suspicious - Why he not start affiliate cooperations with several other big brands like all others legit stremers do ? And why he is so loyal playing very often and very high ONLY in this few not popular low limit casinos? Im check his Twitch site and im see is one expection from this rule and he add Trada casino reflinks ---> But in same time he never play in Trada in his stream...

What is behind this ? Mayby this will be accusation without 100% evidence / proof but im personaly think his affiliate advertise model is just unethical way to bring traffic. - He set up with his affilaite menager - agreements his real money player account will be regular credited with virtual money - something like testing account and he cant basicly withdrawal any money from this account - > account only for promoting and catching referrals / grab profits from his refferals.

In beggining he got aproved this kind of deal with multilotto - this is why he play very Long only in Multilottto ( Multilotto casino in this period have ONLY 1 slots provider Playngo - but still this was the best choice for his Highroller regular deposits....) Next he suddenly stop play in this brand - im I'm guessing they termiated this kind of deal with him( with regular manual credited his real money account with virtual credits ) - so he dissapired from web for some longer period around 5-6 months next he back with New Low quality casino Viks - and probably set up same agreements with their affiliate staff ( With credited his " real money " account regular with virtual credits ) - In this period he again play very high only in this low quality Viks Casino. After few month again he dissapired for few weeks from web and he back and start Play and affiliate cooperation this time with N1 casino .

So for me he is good actor his streams can be enterteiment but in dont belive he play with real money - Like im say this post can be accusation without 100% proof but Im thinks he just looking for casino who allowed him unethical affiliate cooperation with regular credit his real money player account with virtual credits - to gain good profit from his massive vievers traffic with streming virtual money.

- Other story is all his vievers belive? he is 100% legit and play for real money. But if he is legit then again - Why highroller advertise and play only in few low limit / low quality casinos? and never show single real money sesion in just ONE good reputable casino?.

 

[AndyP24]

My biggest issue with streamers is what they portray is not a real life view of slots. Not picking on Nick slots, but regardless of whether he is legit or not(I have my doubts) he gets unlimited 100% matched bonuses.

This is not a fair reflection on what REAL slot play is like and makes it seem as though you get a lot more withdrawals and happy endings because once the cash is gone he can dip into his bonus funds and hit big, I don't like that he accepts donations from his viewers, who lets be honest are probably donating enough through losing via his affiliate links! Realistically I'm not going to say I think anyone is fake as there's no real evidence, but I think there's a few very questionable streamers.

 

[Borgie]

My biggest issue with streamers is what they portray is not a real life view of slots. Not picking on Nick slots, but regardless of whether he is legit or not(I have my doubts) he gets unlimited 100%
This is not a fair reflection on what REAL slot play is like and makes it seem as though you get a lot more withdrawals and happy endings because once the cash is gone he can dip into his bonus funds and hit big, I don't like that he accepts donations from his viewers, who lets be honest are probably donating enough through losing via his affiliate links! Realistically I'm not going to say I think anyone is fake as there's no real evidence, but I think there's a few very questionable streamers.

If you watch nicks streans you would know that all donations every penny go to charity and evidence is given of this. He does not use donations to fund his stream.

 

[dunover]

If we talking abaout real / not real money streamers - Most suspect is ... Roshtein.

few fact abaout him :

a) He play in highroller style almost everyday with 5k deposits and he choose for play ONLY some low quality casinos and NEVER play in any high quality brand.
A little strange ?- Most highrollers / or legit affiliate casino stremers advertise several brands and they set up affiliate cooperation and in same time play mainly in big popular brands/ casinos .

So Roshtein decided the best for him will be Set up affiliate deals and continue "legit highroller Play " ONLY in low quality casinos ? it looks suspicious - Why he not start affiliate cooperations with several other big brands like all others legit stremers do ? And why he is so loyal playing very often and very high ONLY in this few not popular low limit casinos? Im check his Twitch site and im see is one expection from this rule and he add Trada casino reflinks ---> But in same time he never play in Trada in his stream...

What is behind this ? Mayby this will be accusation without 100% evidence / proof but im personaly think his affiliate advertise model is just unethical way to bring traffic. - He set up with his affilaite menager - agreements his real money player account will be regular credited with virtual money - something like testing account and he cant basicly withdrawal any money from this account - > account only for promoting and catching referrals / grab profits from his refferals.

In beggining he got aproved this kind of deal with multilotto - this is why he play very Long only in Multilottto ( Multilotto casino in this period have ONLY 1 slots provider Playngo - but still this was the best choice for his Highroller regular deposits....) Next he suddenly stop play in this brand - im I'm guessing they termiated this kind of deal with him( with regular manual credited his real money account with virtual credits ) - so he dissapired from web for some longer period around 5-6 months next he back with New Low quality casino Viks - and probably set up same agreements with their affiliate staff ( With credited his " real money " account regular with virtual credits ) - In this period he again play very high only in this low quality Viks Casino. After few month again he dissapired for few weeks from web and he back and start Play and affiliate cooperation this time with N1 casino .

So for me he is good actor his streams can be enterteiment but in dont belive he play with real money - Like im say this post can be accusation without 100% proof but Im thinks he just looking for casino who allowed him unethical affiliate cooperation with regular credit his real money player account with virtual credits - to gain good profit from his massive vievers traffic with streming virtual money.

- Other story is all his vievers belive? he is 100% legit and play for real money. But if he is legit then again - Why highroller advertise and play only in few low limit / low quality casinos? and never show single real money sesion in just ONE good reputable casino?.

The guy disappeared for a while because he went bankrupt, filed for in Malta. I believe his family bailed him out and he was discharged early so returned to streaming. Like many streamers, I suspect that being cushioned by easy money and casino sponsorship he became addicted possibly without even realizing it.

Viks is not a great casino either - not rogue by any means but I seriously question why a streamer would play at a casino with a 5k cash-out limit.

 

[AndyP24]

If you watch nicks streans you would know that all donations every penny go to charity and evidence is given of this. He does not use donations to fund his stream.

Easy to make yourself look the good guy by donating 10% of wins to charity though isn't it when you are raking in thousands of affiliate fees, don't get me wrong I don't think he's an awful human being he's making a very decent living out of it but when you see the guy buying nice cars going on flash holidays and boasting about putting all his winnings into his 'daughters account'... meanwhile his referrals that sign up because they see unrealistic wins on stream and think they can emulate them, lose all their dosh and he gets a cut.

Oh and the fact he denies he's a problem gambler, it's not healthy, unless maybe he isn't a problem gambler and he's funded by the casino? That's just speculation, of course.