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Discussion in 'America the Beautiful' started by butterflyboogie, Jul 3, 2012.

    Jul 3, 2012
  1. butterflyboogie

    butterflyboogie Senior Member MM

    Occupation:
    Making Money
    Location:
    Casino Oblivion
    Ok quick question, may be a silly one. When you guys win on a certain casino, do you ever get lucky enough to hit back to back after a withdrawal? I won at Lucky Club recently, withdrew about $2400, everything went smooth....I have deposited well over a thousand back into it and I can't get it to even give me decent play time. I am not complaining, just wondering how long it might be before it kicks in again. Any thoughts...anyone? :)
     
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  2. Jul 3, 2012
  3. Seventh777

    Seventh777 RIP Roy

    Occupation:
    Builder, mainly renovations.
    Location:
    Planet Tharg, dark side, where nothing grows.
    I`ve had back to back withdrawals and x3 withdrawals from the same deposit twice, it does happen, but not very often :(.
     
  4. Jul 3, 2012
  5. skiny

    skiny Banned User - violation of <a href="http://www.cas

    Occupation:
    Doing everyone else's job.
    Location:
    Canada
    I don't know of any casino or casino software that allowed me to make a withdrawal two deposits in a row... maybe 10 deposits down the line.

    My advice is, if you want to keep playing at a casino after making a nice withdrawal, low roll on smaller deposits until the waters get warm again.
     
  6. Jul 3, 2012
  7. rockycatt

    rockycatt meistercatt CAG MM

    Occupation:
    carpenter
    Location:
    Boston
    :D:D:confused::confused: BUT THEY the authorities say its random and doesn't matter at all so err to caution or full speed ahead :confused::D

    i suppose its possible for a punter to walk away with the ownership of the casino from getting red hot yes/no?
     
  8. Jul 4, 2012
  9. aceking123

    aceking123 Ueber Meister CAG PABnononaccred MM

    Occupation:
    chippy
    Location:
    uk
    ive just had the same problem as you but not so much put back there , ive tracked this for 16 months now & all withdrawals of 500+ have had back to worst playing slots ever , as someone pointed out play small ) sorry ive made a mistake in the last two days 3 dice did give me a withdrawal of 500 & 213 today ) so at this point there the only casino out of all mine that is saying something.
     
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  10. Jul 4, 2012
  11. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

    Occupation:
    PAID CASINO SHILL
    Location:
    Turn right, then right. then right again
    Out of interest.....

    Does anyone have any theories/suggestions as to how the casinos ensure that this occurs?

    It's a serious question BTW.
     
  12. Jul 4, 2012
  13. skiny

    skiny Banned User - violation of <a href="http://www.cas

    Occupation:
    Doing everyone else's job.
    Location:
    Canada
    Just because it occurs doesn't mean anyone is doing it on purpose.

    I think anyone who gambles online or off knows it's not that easy to get a good session in most of the time, much less make a decent withdrawal. Sure, it's all random but if the odds of making a withdrawal once aren't that great what are the odds of doing it twice in a row?

    It's not always about conspiracies.

    Sometimes it's just knowing what has happened in the past and what will likely happen next.
     
  14. Jul 4, 2012
  15. Nate

    Nate Ueber Meister CAG webmeister

    Occupation:
    Monster
    Location:
    Cyberspace
    Well quite honestly you can have beautiful luck... then nothing.

    A perfect example was Triobet for me the other day. Playing only .90c spins - won 2.2k and left $150 to play the next day. Another 2500x bet for 2.2k popped up again all off the same balance

    Since then I have had smaller WD's but nothing significant like that in one go.

    Last year I had two hits in the same evening for 7.5k each at 32Red...

    BIG hits are few and far between and are ultimately what takes your balance up and makes you hit the WD button.

    One thing that may help is reducing expectation and withdrawal amounts. Its amazing how those little $100 - $200 on top of your deposit add up across multiple Casinos. I often find that I peak above my deposit about $100 or more... If I have doubled it, I can run.... Or I can risk $200 trying to win another $200?

    What helps is IF a Casino pays real quick. I am impatient and 24hours is too long for me. I have become accustomed to getting paid in a few minutes. I got withdrawals at Triobet, Boyle and Sloto in less than 30 minutes and this allows me to redeposit or play elsewhere.

    Nate
     
  16. Jul 4, 2012
  17. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

    Occupation:
    House-Husband and Casino Advisor
    Location:
    Bexhill on sea, England
    In order to calculate that we would need to know what your withdrawal criteria are.
    e.g. Do you withdraw if you get 10% above your deposit? 50%? 100%? 200%? Only if you hit an RJ?

    Sorry, but what some people are posting here is silly. It's like saying it rained last Monday, but it didn't rain on Tuesday, so if it rains again next Monday it wont rain next Tuesday.

    There's just far too many variables, not least of which are good luck and knowing when to stop & cash-out.

    KK
     
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  18. Jul 4, 2012
  19. skiny

    skiny Banned User - violation of <a href="http://www.cas

    Occupation:
    Doing everyone else's job.
    Location:
    Canada
    Actually it's not that silly. Most people cash out according to how much they deposit and how big they wager. It's not a hard fast rule but most low rollers have lower cash out standards and high rollers wait for the monster win.

    Like I said, nothing is black or white but people depositing 40 bucks a pop aren't usually waiting for the 10k payout and people depositing 1k aren't cashing out when they're up a hundred bucks.

    No matter what your cash out limits are, the reality is when you gamble it's not easy to reach them. If it was we'd all be cashing out every day. I don't know about you people but I'm certainly not cashing out anywhere near that and my standards aren't very high.

    Most realistic gamblers know it's unlikely that you'll win enough to cash out frequently unless you're not trying to get much more than you put in. In most cases I can't even get over my starting balance. lol

    But like I said, it's just a matter of being realistic. I know in my experience it's unlikely to cash out two deposits in a row even if you change casinos... Even if you change casino softwares... Even if you say a prayer and put on your lucky long johns. It's just not that easy to get ahead when you're gambling.

    And it seems to be getting harder every year.
     
  20. Jul 4, 2012
  21. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

    Occupation:
    PAID CASINO SHILL
    Location:
    Turn right, then right. then right again
    Unless you keep meticulous records, I don't see how you could even say that it "seems" to be harder every year. It may be true, but in many cases it is misconception I.e. your annual results probably fluctuate from year to year and would likely show that you have had a worse year previously......its the whole "grass is greener" thing.

    We also tend to change our habits over time I.e. game selection, cashout levels/expectations, software, deposit amounts and frequency. All of these can blur reality.....which is why the only way to know is to keep records.

    CM has always had threads and posts saying "things are worse now" and "RTPs have dropped" etc etc since I joined over ten years ago....and yet, the screenies thread is as active as ever, there are still plenty of people winning, and roughly the same amount of people posting about their losses.

    So, someone must have been wrong, as if those over the past decade are to be believed, and there's no more reason to believe members today than before, there would be hardly any winners....and probably no players, as the RTPs would be around 20%. As I said, it is all about perception. I know some have used KK's years of records and his decline in.profit as proof of the "the RTPs are dropping" argument, but the decline was a result of higher bonus WR and tighter terms, and much less time being spent "on the hunt". IIRC, even after publishing his declining figures he did not even imply that the RTPs had been reduced. Why? He is a realist and looks logically at the swings and roundabouts he's seen over a similar time period to myself.
     
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  22. Jul 5, 2012
  23. skiny

    skiny Banned User - violation of <a href="http://www.cas

    Occupation:
    Doing everyone else's job.
    Location:
    Canada
    If I kept meticulous records I wouldn't say it "seems" harder every year.

    I'd say it IS harder every year. lol
     

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