Williams Interactive (WMS) Games Now Live At Nordicbet

[dionysus]

Er, this should be interesting. Live chat says they have no official word on restricted countries and its ok to deposit and play the wms

 

[rainmaker]

So im curious what they will do. Like igt for example, if a canadian tries to opena game, it says restricted. However, here the game opens and plays. If you dont happen to see CM and you go there and play do they just say, ' aww, sorry, all wins voided'?

No, I can never imagine that Nordic or any other Betsson brands would do something like that. These games were launched yesterday together with different problems, so I am sure that the software supplier (Williams) will implement a block for restricted countries as soon as these games are working as expected (no lag etc). Until then I can't see that it should be a problem for for example Canadians to play these games as long as they are available to you and no rules forbid it. But maybe a rep can clarify this as I am only guessing here.

 

[incrediblestuff]

I am very happy with the fact my country isn't on this list so i hope you got the final and correct one! cheers
my deepest condoleances to the fellow gamblers whose countries were on it of course

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I was thinking of posting this after you Canadian people had gone to bed for tonight. You know...just to avoid any trouble

But I may as well post it now hehe.

Nordicbet has given me a list of restricted countries regarding their WMS games (I am guessing this will apply regardless of casino, but I did not ask)

Afghanistan
Antigua & Barbuda
Australia
Belgium
Canada
China
Cuba
France (and all of its territories and holdings)
Iran
Iraq
Japan
Libya
Malaysia
Palestinian Territory
Poland
Portugal
Russia
Sudan
Switzerland
Syria
USA (and all of its states, territories, holdings and commonwealths, including without limitation the U.S. Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico, Guam and the Northern Mariana Islands)
Israel
Gibraltar
Indonesia
Turkey

 

[mrmark21]

Of course Australia's on the list

 

[dionysus]

Aaaaaaaand the games are now locked..sigh

 

[kujis]

Aww. Poopie. Wanted to try these out Oh well, back to JPP. No luck there though yet lol.

Anyone know how someone can win 14 jackpots in 10 minutes? Playing with $500 bet spins? According to this quote it doesn't affect the chances of triggering a jackpot.

[11:30:23 PM] ME: Do you have any idea if the amount you wager on a single spin increases your chances of getting a shot at it?
[11:31:02 PM] Michael: The amount of your wager does not effect your chances of triggering the Progressive.
[11:31:23 PM] ME: So you could actually win 10k off a 50p bet??!
[11:31:33 PM] Michael: That's correct.
[11:31:47 PM] Michael: Any stake any time.

 

[mrmark21]

Aaaaaaaand the games are now locked..sigh

What?! That's depressing

I had a feeling that might happen so got a fair few hours of play yesterday

 

[dionysus]

Well, WMS games are removed, but did it reak the site?...

 

[mrmark21]

Well, WMS games are removed, but did it reak the site?...

Not looking to good

 

[Simmo!]

Aww. Poopie. Wanted to try these out Oh well, back to JPP. No luck there though yet lol.

Anyone know how someone can win 14 jackpots in 10 minutes? Playing with $500 bet spins? According to this quote it doesn't affect the chances of triggering a jackpot.

With WMS, a bigger bet does increase your chances of triggering the progressive. But whether it affects your chances of progressing up the 4 levels, I have no idea.

 

[Slotster!]

With WMS, a bigger bet does increase your chances of triggering the progressive. But whether it affects your chances of progressing up the 4 levels, I have no idea.

If it's anything like any other progressive anywhere else (which it probably is ) - It's just a question of the more your contribute the more chances you get. It's like spending £5 buying five lottery tickets as opposed to £1 for one. The chance of progressing up the levels won't be affected as such, but by betting more you've got a greater chance of triggering a better paying 'event' (If that makes sense)!?

I should stick to pressing 'bet max' and keeping quiet.

 

[Balthazar]

With WMS, a bigger bet does increase your chances of triggering the progressive. But whether it affects your chances of progressing up the 4 levels, I have no idea.

If it does, it's rigged because you have to pick gifts and find the star to get to the next level. Unless they add additional stars when you bet higher (and I'm pretty sure they don't) your bet value should have no influence on the outcome.

It's likely similar to Mega Moolah, where you get a better chance to trigger the progressive wheel with a higher bet, but once you're there everyone has an equal chance at the jackpots.

 

[hucorte]

Are they available at Nordicbet now? Where can I find them?

 

[Slotster!]

It's likely similar to Mega Moolah, where you get a better chance to trigger the progressive wheel with a higher bet, but once you're there everyone has an equal chance at the jackpots.

I might be wrong, but I don't think it's that.

I think that once you press 'Spin' - the result is returned and that's either (in Mega Moolah's case) Minor, Mini, Major or MEGA! Or in most cases, none. I.e The outcome is decided prior to the wheel spin/star pick/box selection whatever.

And of course the bigger the bet, the more chances/entries into the Jackpot thing.

Unless there is a 'second level' RNG at the Progressive stage. In all cases, it's certainly not the odds displayed by the eye candy. I.e Number of wheel segments, number of boxes. Etc etc.

Who remembers when Mega Moolah first launched and they screwed up the graphics so loads of us thought we'd hit the MAJOR Jackpot?

 

[Balthazar]

I might be wrong, but I don't think it's that.

I think that once you press 'Spin' - the result is returned and that's either (in Mega Moolah's case) Minor, Mini, Major or MEGA! Or in most cases, none. I.e The outcome is decided prior to the wheel spin/star pick/box selection whatever.

And of course the bigger the bet, the more chances/entries into the Jackpot thing.

Unless there is a 'second level' RNG at the Progressive stage. In all cases, it's certainly not the odds displayed by the eye candy. I.e Number of wheel segments, number of boxes. Etc etc.

Who remembers when Mega Moolah first launched and they screwed up the graphics so loads of us thought we'd hit the MAJOR Jackpot?

The way I understand it (and the way it was explained here several times) is this one:

On Mega Moolah (MG), you have a greater chance to trigger the jackpot wheel if you bet higher, but the same chance to win the jackpot once triggered regardless of your bet size.

On Mega Fortune (Netent), you always have the same chance to trigger the bonus wheel, but a greater chance to win the jackpot if you bet higher (with 0% chance on free spins).

JPP, in theory, should be like Mega Moolah.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

If it does, it's rigged because you have to pick gifts and find the star to get to the next level. Unless they add additional stars when you bet higher (and I'm pretty sure they don't) your bet value should have no influence on the outcome.

It's likely similar to Mega Moolah, where you get a better chance to trigger the progressive wheel with a higher bet, but once you're there everyone has an equal chance at the jackpots.

The gift values in the JPP game and also the number of stars are the same whatever the triggering stake, there are videos of people triggering it at 30p per spin all the way up to £20+ per spin.

Personally I think the entire JPP round is pre-determined and that there's no such thing as a right or wrong choice, otherwise the higher value progressives would be dropping all the time.

Yes the gift picking game is a nice interactive sound and light show, but like the Mega Moolah wheel, you're just watching a pre-determined result and the odds of picking the 'advance a level' star are not what the gift matrix makes it out to be, indeed, you just click on gifts until you get the COLLECT as per what was determined the second you triggered the round.

 

[homerbert]

why this games not available at betsafe/nordic/unibet?

 

[PegeeSue]

Didn't see this question posted but..what's the reason Canadians can't play these games? I play them all the time in land based. Makes no sense to me. If I can play at an online casino why ban me from playing certain slots?

 

[homerbert]

where this gameeeeeeeees , i want to play even for free bruce lee

 

[Osloking]

I play them all the time in land based.

I guess thats why you cant play them online. also i think they have some contract with land based on this kinda things.

 

[LaHutti]

I believe The reason Canadians can't play wms slots online, is because the land based casinos are government owned, hence they scoop the money, and these casinos are loaded with wms slots.
I would think, if online gambling was regulated, and the government could still scoop the money from it, it would be perfectly ok ... it's all about the money, just like it is in the states

 

[Simmo!]

Personally I think the entire JPP round is pre-determined and that there's no such thing as a right or wrong choice, otherwise the higher value progressives would be dropping all the time.

+1

I believe The reason Canadians can't play wms slots online, is because the land based casinos are government owned, hence they scoop the money, and these casinos are loaded with wms slots.
I would think, if online gambling was regulated, and the government could still scoop the money from it, it would be perfectly ok ... it's all about the money, just like it is in the states

That's pretty much it lol. WMS and IGT don't want to jeopardise their land-based licences by enterting markets that are not specifically legalised. So grey/gray markets are out too.

 

[slotmaster]

I believe The reason Canadians can't play wms slots online, is because the land based casinos are government owned, hence they scoop the money, and these casinos are loaded with wms slots.
I would think, if online gambling was regulated, and the government could still scoop the money from it, it would be perfectly ok ... it's all about the money, just like it is in the states

This is exactly the reason for the record.


HAHA did not see simmo's post.

 

[Balthazar]

Personally I think the entire JPP round is pre-determined and that there's no such thing as a right or wrong choice, otherwise the higher value progressives would be dropping all the time.

Would they? It would be interesting to do the math and calculate your chance of getting the higher progressive based on the number of star(s) per screen vs the number of "bad" gifts. Avoiding the bad gifts for 4 consecutive steps could be mathematically very challenging.

I'm pretty sure that the "pick me" choices in land based slots can't be predetermined, and JPP is as close as land based as you can get online.

EDIT: Quick math for fun:

With 3 bad gifts and 1 star per screen you'd have 0.39% chance to get 4 stars.
With 4 bad gifts and 1 star: 0.16%.
With 5 bad gifts and 1 star: 0.077%

That's assuming that they have the same number of bad gifts in the first screens than the later ones.

So they can easily make it a rare occurence without predetermining the outcome. Not saying that's what they do, but it's pretty easy.

 

[homerbert]

Hey guys, when the games appear again in nordicbet/betsafe/unibet?