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[ChopleyIOM]

There are three different free spins round on Bruce.

TRIGGER 1 - You get four matching symbols in the four stops on reels 1 and 2. These four symbols are locked for five free spins, three chests on 3-4-5 during these spins awards another five spins. This is fairly common and usually pretty rubbish.

TRIGGER 2 - You get three chest symbols on reels 3-4-5. You then get five free spins with a guaranteed full reel wild out of 3-4-5, and at least one wild Bruce symbol on the other two reels. Three chests awards another five spins. This is the most common bonus round, can pay big.

TRIGGER 3 - VERY RARE. You get the triggers for #1 and #2 in a single spin, this then gives twenty free spins with 1-2 locked, and the same guaranteed full wild plus Bruce symbols as per trigger #2. Your starting point on this round is basically 1000x stake, depending on which symbols you have locked on 1-2.

Think of Bruce Lee as the DoA of WMS slots, you can hit big off TRIGGER 2 above, but really it's TRIGGER 3 that's really going to pay big, the equivalent of getting all the sticky wilds on DoA. But like DoA, there's just no way to guarantee it in any way whatsoever.

I've had it suck down £500 of free play money at 30p per spin without seeing it, so play Bruce with caution!

 

[dunover]

There are three different free spins round on Bruce.

TRIGGER 1 - You get four matching symbols in the four stops on reels 1 and 2. These four symbols are locked for five free spins, three chests on 3-4-5 during these spins awards another five spins. This is fairly common and usually pretty rubbish.

TRIGGER 2 - You get three chest symbols on reels 3-4-5. You then get five free spins with a guaranteed full reel wild out of 3-4-5, and at least one wild Bruce symbol on the other two reels. Three chests awards another five spins. This is the most common bonus round, can pay big.

TRIGGER 3 - VERY RARE. You get the triggers for #1 and #2 in a single spin, this then gives twenty free spins with 1-2 locked, and the same guaranteed full wild plus Bruce symbols as per trigger #2. Your starting point on this round is basically 1000x stake, depending on which symbols you have locked on 1-2.

Think of Bruce Lee as the DoA of WMS slots, you can hit big off TRIGGER 2 above, but really it's TRIGGER 3 that's really going to pay big, the equivalent of getting all the sticky wilds on DoA. But like DoA, there's just no way to guarantee it in any way whatsoever.

I've had it suck down £500 of free play money at 30p per spin without seeing it, so play Bruce with caution!

Yes, I can endorse the above, and maybe Chopley can reintroduce his video temporarily for just Bruce Lee, to see it in all it's glory.......the 1657x bet classic:notworthy:notworthy

 

[akrus88]

Which casinos offer WMS games

Casinoeuro, Harrys casino, Unibet, Betsafe, Nordicbet. Any others?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Why do those casinos hate UK players so much? There are either no bonuses at all for us, or we get really shitty WRs compared to everyone else.

 

[akrus88]

That sucks .

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Obviously we have special magic super-lucky money

It'd be good to see the WMS slots turn up at Redbet.

 

[incrediblestuff]

Why do those casinos hate UK players so much? There are either no bonuses at all for us, or we get really shitty WRs compared to everyone else.

I hear that, same reason as a lot of primarily UK targeting Casinos don't offer or offer less attractive bonuses to the rest of Europe/US, maybe they even have some upper level agreements concerning these reasons, i bet you could think o a few yourself
I wish it were otherwise.

 

[rainmaker]

Why do those casinos hate UK players so much? There are either no bonuses at all for us, or we get really shitty WRs compared to everyone else.

Yeah, it would be great with WMS games over at Redbet. Make it happen Andy.

Not all casinos that akrus88 mentioned hate UK players. Harry Casino for example is primarily targeting the UK market actually.

They promote themselves as Harry Casino – the greatest British online casino

 

[ChopleyIOM]

They promote themselves as Harry Casino – the greatest British online casino

I think they're arguably the worst of the lot in that they dress themselves up as a UK friendly casino but they're clearly part of the same group as Casino Euro, and they've mostly just copied over the same shitty terms that apply to UK players at Casino Euro, and made it sound like some sort of great UK deal we're being offered!

Very cheeky.

 

[rainmaker]

I think they're arguably the worst of the lot in that they dress themselves up as a UK friendly casino but they're clearly part of the same group as Casino Euro, and they've mostly just copied over the same shitty terms that apply to UK players at Casino Euro, and made it sound like some sort of great UK deal we're being offered!

Very cheeky.

May I ask which rules you are referring to over at Harry Casino ?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

May I ask which rules you are referring to over at Harry Casino ?

The SUB is 25xD+B WR (so effectively 50xB, which is into Rival/RTG territory), on a fairly meagre 100% match up to £100.

The standard monthly bonus is 30% up to £30 on a 10xD+B WR, which is a pretty bad WR for such a tiny bonus.

Compare and contrast with Jackpot Party whose SUB is 100% up to £200 on a 20xBWR, and whose standard monthly match is 100% up to £100 on a 10xB WR.

On top of that Harry Casino only has two withdrawal options, instant bank transfer and Ecopay.

 

[Nate]

@ Chopley - I suppose a lot of other things are factored in. That is a bad WR compared to other NetEnt Casino's; however Jackpot Party run all their Slots at 92%... Harry Casino does not (Or so I believe?)

Nate

 

[ChopleyIOM]

@ Chopley - I suppose a lot of other things are factored in. That is a bad WR compared to other NetEnt Casino's; however Jackpot Party run all their Slots at 92%... Harry Casino does not (Or so I believe?)

Nate

Jackpot Party's overall T-RTP is 95% when you take the JPPs into account (92% from the slots, 3% from the JPPs), the WMS slots are running at a 'slots only' RTP of 96% everywhere else, so it's a trivial difference.

 

[Nate]

Actually 4% isn't a trivial difference. Those Jackpots don't get hit all the time...

Nate

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Actually 4% isn't a trivial difference. Those Jackpots don't get hit all the time...

Nate

They get hit often enough to make up most of their 3% contribution though, I've had six or seven in just over a year of playing, mostly low-rolling.

Also, as was noted by Balthazar in another thread (think it was actually the Jackpot Party thread), for a low-roller like me even a 0-star or 1-star JPP hit either (1) Guarantees making a WR and making a withdrawal, rather than getting ground down before a bust out and/or (2) Gives a natural 'high point' on a straight deposit to make an obvious withdrawal point.

You can't just write off the 3% contribution from the JPPs to overall RTP like it doesn't exist

 

[Nate]

You can't just write off the 3% contribution from the JPPs to overall RTP like it doesn't exist

Absolutely - However, you cannot just factor it in and compare it to a 96% Slot - There is a difference

Nate

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Absolutely - However, you cannot just factor it in and compare it to a 96% Slot - There is a difference

Nate

Long term T-RTP is only a 1% difference though, which is relatively trivial, and not the 4% figure you suggested

Most slots (certainly high variance slots) have what can almost be considered 'hidden progressives' anyway, like the 8000x hits on DoA or the 5000x hits on Bruce or the 13000x hit on IR (or whatever it is five wild reels pays) - so I don't think it's unreasonable to state that the RTP difference between Jackpot Party and anywhere else running WMS slots is basically 1%, because the JPP effect isn't that much different from the 'monster hits' effect that some slots have anyway.

Remember that the small progressives at Jackpot Party really are small, often under £100 for the 0-star (even with presents added on), which is a nice hit for a low-roller.

 

[akrus88]

Have not really yet felt the difference with the rtp between jpp and others. Overall playability and payout seems the same.

JPP progressives are actually pretty cool, since you actually have a much better chance of hitting them, when comparing for example to Marvel progressives. Hitted only the confetti jackpot 2 times, but I have wagered only 7000€ on JPP (700 comp points). I have only once hit marvel jp (250€), allthough I have wagered at least 30-40k€ on marvel games.

Must allso note that the confetti jackpot amount is really good size(50-100€). Which is pretty good for a low roller at least.
Mgs should change their minor progressive for something like that. It is really frustrating hitting those 10€ jackpots.

 

[Nifty29]

Can someone please point me to a reasonable WMS slot that is not going to slaughter me like Bruce did

PLEASE

 

[dionysus]

Can someone please point me to a reasonable WMS slot that is not going to slaughter me like Bruce did

PLEASE

To me, seems like Wizard of Oz has a decent return, bonuses fairly frequently. Can't complain here.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Can someone please point me to a reasonable WMS slot that is not going to slaughter me like Bruce did

PLEASE

Super Jackpot Party - at 96% RTP you could probably play that all night at low stakes and not lose much, although don't expect to see 100x stake or better more than once in a blue moon either.

What casino you playing at Nifty, and what's the selection? I'm used to Jackpot Party where they have loads to choose from and not the limited selection that's landed elsewhere.

 

[Balthazar]

Does JPP offer Robin Hood and the Golden Arrow? If so, why aren't you all over it?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

To me, seems like Wizard of Oz has a decent return, bonuses fairly frequently. Can't complain here.

More like medium variance though, can easily wipe out a modest bankroll even at small stakes.

It depends what Nifty is after really, both the Oz slots (the original and Ruby Slippers) are around medium variance.

Bruce is crazy high variance of course, so any WMS slot will be a step down in insanity from that

 

[mrmark21]

Can someone please point me to a reasonable WMS slot that is not going to slaughter me like Bruce did

PLEASE

I'm really enjoying Magic Wand at Nordicbet (the only casino that offers this game to Aussies). I'd rate this game as medium variance. Lets you play for a while and is capable of some good wins. This game has made me come out of my shell in the way of upping my bet size. Turned one buck into one hundred bucks on this slot from a twenty dollar deposit...

Believe in magic? Well you’d better because in this game believing is winning! Featuring all the tools and tricks you’d expect from an evening of magic with David Copperfield or David Blaine, this slot boasts as much in terms of mystery and magic as it does fun and exciting features!

Stacked wilds in feature, that actually show up

You could also give Leprechauns Fortune a shot which seems similar to games like Miss Kitty and Pelican Pete

 

[Nifty29]

Super Jackpot Party - at 96% RTP you could probably play that all night at low stakes and not lose much, although don't expect to see 100x stake or better more than once in a blue moon either.

What casino you playing at Nifty, and what's the selection? I'm used to Jackpot Party where they have loads to choose from and not the limited selection that's landed elsewhere.

Nordic mate. I think they only have a dozen.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I had a really good session on the WMS slots yesterday at Unibet, was slotting for some five hours on a £100 deposit (my usual penny or two per line, never more than 60p per spin), and eventually got into a position to withdraw £203 (the extra £3 will take care of the £3 NET+ card withdrawal fee, so I can get £200 cash in my hand from an ATM).

It's possibly early days to call it yet, but the four slots that I played were all noticeably kinder than their Jackpot Party equivalents, each across many hundreds of spins, I think that extra 4% on the RTP really makes itself felt.

The most telling one was the 'pick me' on the three scatters trigger on the Oz slot, where you get the Winged Monkeys feature, the Emerald City feature, or the 'Award' which is 5x or 10x stake.

I must have had that pick me about 15 times and not once did I hit award, which is either the rudest run of good luck (the likes of which I've never had at Jackpot Party), or perhaps an indication of where that extra 4% RTP can show itself. (I am going to kick this slot off at both casinos in free money mode and do some analysis today, I'm really interested to see where the extra 4% RTP is made up because the pay tables on the 92% and 96% flavours are identical.)

I finally made my withdrawal at 18:50 hours, and Unibet sent me an email to confirm payment had been made to my Neteller account at 20:20 hours, that's a 90 minute payout time on a Saturday evening, very impressive!

I really don't understand why anyone still plays at casinos with a 48 hour pending period that don't even count weekends as real time, when there are casinos such as Unibet to play at who can make a payment in an hour and a half on the weekend at the evening.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Well that blows that theory out of the water

Few thousand spins through each, feature distribution as follows.

The Unibet flavour held the balance steady but the Jackpot Party flavour lost £70.

Very much ties in with my experience last night, you really feel the extra suction due to the 4% lower RTP IMO.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

How is everyone else finding the WMS slots at casinos other than Jackpot Party?

They've got to the point of frequently being unplayable at Unibet now, I raised a support ticket with them a few days ago and was very disappointed to get a cookie cutter 'they're working fine at our end', 'clear your cookies', 'try a different web browser' etc response.

I'd specifically pointed out that it was the Vegas Slots (i.e. WMS) that were suffering from the problem and nothing else, it also seems to get worse at what you'd expect to be 'peak times', so last night being a Saturday night it was very bad. Whereas if I fired them up now (Sunday morning) they'll be fine.

 

[PCJACKPOT2008]

I can't even get the VMS games on Unibet to load. Says I have an unfinished game on Wizard of Oz but it it wont load.

I'm going to contact support this afternoon about it.

 

[akrus88]

Everytime I have played wma elsewhere then JPP slot spins "empty" and one spin takes many seconds. That is really annoying espacially in wizard of oz.

 

[naththo]

Playing WMS on Nordicbet from Australia is very expensive to play due to exchange rate affecting the USD bet. So unfortunately thats not good for Australia to play. I did tried out but was surprised to see it went for pound so I thought better refrain from it till they put in USD or so later on.

 

[Simmo!]

How is everyone else finding the WMS slots at casinos other than Jackpot Party?

They've got to the point of frequently being unplayable at Unibet now, I raised a support ticket with them a few days ago and was very disappointed to get a cookie cutter 'they're working fine at our end', 'clear your cookies', 'try a different web browser' etc response.

I'd specifically pointed out that it was the Vegas Slots (i.e. WMS) that were suffering from the problem and nothing else, it also seems to get worse at what you'd expect to be 'peak times', so last night being a Saturday night it was very bad. Whereas if I fired them up now (Sunday morning) they'll be fine.

Definitely unplayable at peak times (like last night) I have found. My guess is they have free-play versions and real-play on the same server.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Can't even get them to load at Unibet at the moment.

I'll just pootle around on some of their other slots and then withdraw when my bankroll hits a nice round number (either down or up ).

It's definitely just the WMS slots, because everything else there is working fine.

 

[Nifty29]

Well that blows that theory out of the water

Few thousand spins through each, feature distribution as follows.

The Unibet flavour held the balance steady but the Jackpot Party flavour lost £70.

Very much ties in with my experience last night, you really feel the extra suction due to the 4% lower RTP IMO.

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A few thousand spins means nothing chops. The results could well have been different and probably would be if u repeated the experiment over a few times.

I'm not sure the feature distribution means anything either. I've never seen evidence to the contrary, unless you're saying they aren't triggered randomly.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

A few thousand spins means nothing chops. The results could well have been different and probably would be if u repeated the experiment over a few times.

I'm not sure the feature distribution means anything either. I've never seen evidence to the contrary, unless you're saying they aren't triggered randomly.

Oh I know that I was just wondering if the AWARD feature was completely removed from the paytable on the 96% variant, as I didn't hit it once in about 15 picks on my first session at Unibet.

As soon as I hit it once in free play I realised that wasn't the case, and I've had it plenty in real money mode since.

I am curious as to where that extra 4% RTP is paid though. On the base game, small wins, a few more big wins, more features, etc?

 

[dunover]

A few thousand spins means nothing chops. The results could well have been different and probably would be if u repeated the experiment over a few times.

I'm not sure the feature distribution means anything either. I've never seen evidence to the contrary, unless you're saying they aren't triggered randomly.

I agree with the former statement, as I found out the hard way on my W*nt*ng* moan.

I would expect though, given my research today, that 4% difference will become apparent quite quickly especially to one like Chopley who plays them all the time.

Feature distribution means nothing to me. You may as well say '5 oak distribution'; 4 5oaks may appear in 20 spins, or not at all in 90.
One thing we can assess given kktmd's MG research, is establish an average amount of spins before each bonus round. In short term play though, this is not relevant.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I wasn't trying to establish feature frequency, I was wondering if the AWARD pick from the feature trigger (it's a three choice pick-me, two start a feature and one gives a fixed 5/10x stake AWARD) had been completely removed from the 96% RTP variant of the slot.

I only continued on to get a little spread of results for curiosity's sake, as soon as I hit the AWARD at Unibet I knew my original thought on the matter was not correct.

 

[dunover]

I wasn't trying to establish feature frequency, I was wondering if the AWARD pick from the feature trigger (it's a three choice pick-me, two start a feature and one gives a fixed 5/10x stake AWARD) had been completely removed from the 96% RTP variant of the slot.

I only continued on to get a little spread of results for curiosity's sake, as soon as I hit the AWARD at Unibet I knew my original thought on the matter was not correct.

I think you're referring still to the Wizard of Oz Emerald City/winged monkey/stake multiplier yes? Ah, right I get you now it took a while to get the multiplier 'cos you were lucky getting the other 2.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Quite a few new WMS slots have turned up at Unibet today, dunno if they're at the other casinos running their slots or not.

Off the top of my head, Oz Ruby Slippers, Amazon Queen and Glitz are in there, along with a few others.

All running the same standard 96% RTP (give or take a cat's whisker).

Jackpot Party need to up their game a bit IMO, now that the WMS slots are on the loose at other casinos, they've lost their USP, and that 92% RTP on the base games is starting to look very mean. Yes you're theoretically going to get 3% off the progressives in the fullness of time, but a chunk of that is going to be tied up in the 2-3-4 star progressives which most people, realistically, will simply never win.

 

[Wild Reels]

agree entirely, love playing the wms slots, but i cooled off my account at jackpot party for a month as i had a terrible run, when i saw them at unibet ive been playing them there ever since, and doing very well, unibet is currently my favourite as it has net ent as well spoilt for choice and if they are getting new games jackpot party does indeed need to make there selection more attractive.

 

[Dave]

Hi everyone,

Quick question... Jackpot Party only allows players from the UK, Sweden, Finland, Ireland, Iceland, Luxembourg, Isle of Man, and Guernsey.

At the other casinos that have added WMS slots recently, are additional countries welcome to play the WMS slots or are the countries still restricted to the list above? For example, can players from Canada, Australia, or Germany play WMS slots somewhere else besides Jackpot Party?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Of the new games that Unibet have added, Dragon's Inferno is a clone of Buffalo Spirit (which they already had), and Amazon Queen is a clone of Kronos (which they already had).

Not sure who was doing the picking there, since there a lot of WMS slots to choose from that aren't clones of what they've already got!

 

[XOXOXOXOXOX]

Hi everyone,

Quick question... Jackpot Party only allows players from the UK, Sweden, Finland, Ireland, Iceland, Luxembourg, Isle of Man, and Guernsey.

At the other casinos that have added WMS slots recently, are additional countries welcome to play the WMS slots or are the countries still restricted to the list above? For example, can players from Canada, Australia, or Germany play WMS slots somewhere else besides Jackpot Party?

yes, i can play them at Betsafe and Nordic bet but Unibet is blocking them for some reason.

 

[me_and_ed]

yes, i can play them at Betsafe and Nordic bet but Unibet is blocking them for some reason.

Betsafe, Nordic and I don't have an issue with Unibet............Shhhhhhhhhhh

 

[dionysus]

Betsafe, Nordic and I don't have an issue with Unibet............Shhhhhhhhhhh

welllllll, I'd try Unibet, but since their official policy in the thread is 'no Canadians' I'd hate to dep and them say, aww, so sad, too bad, we DID say you can't play.

 

[Unibet Rep]

Of the new games that Unibet have added, Dragon's Inferno is a clone of Buffalo Spirit (which they already had), and Amazon Queen is a clone of Kronos (which they already had).

Not sure who was doing the picking there, since there a lot of WMS slots to choose from that aren't clones of what they've already got!

Hi Chopley,

at this point in time, we are rather limited in what we can or cannot release from WMS, hence the reason for that choice. But there is more to come in the near future.

Congrats on your win by the way

Dave

 

[ChopleyIOM]

And now Crystal Forest has turned up at Unibet which is a straight clone of Invaders From The Planet Moolah

I guess it's commercially confidential Dave, but I'll ask anyway, how does it work with other casinos releasing WMS slots? Do Jackpot Party have first dibs on them for a while and then they can be released elsewhere or something like that?

It struck me the other day that Jackpot Party seemed to have total exclusive rights to WMS slots online for 12 months, and now they're spreading around the online casino estate at a fair old rate of knots.

Is Alice and The Mad Tea Party on your release radar? That's a slot I'd like to play at 96% RTP instead of 92% RTP.

 

[me_and_ed]

welllllll, I'd try Unibet, but since their official policy in the thread is 'no Canadians' I'd hate to dep and them say, aww, so sad, too bad, we DID say you can't play.

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•be resident of Spain, Australia, Philippines, France, Italy, Denmark, Turkey, Hong Kong, The United States of America and other U.S. territories, Afghanistan, Ethiopia, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Pakistan, Syria and Yemen (please be aware of particular country exclusions for Bingo, Casino and Games);


Am I missing something?

 

[Unibet Rep]

Hi guys,

sorry for the late reply.

Chopley, unfortunately, I can`t give you too much detailed information about the releases. All I can tell you is that there is more to come in a 3rd release.

Ed and me, the quote from our rules are the general restrictions to have an account at Unibet. Some suppliers however also have their individual restrictions on certain countries. WMS for example does not allow Canadians to play their games but Canadians are obviously very welcome to open a Unibet account.

Regards,

Dave

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Gah!

Just deposited for a little bit of WMS slotting goodness at Unibet, only to get a 'SERVICE UNAVAILABLE - The game server is down for maintenance' error on any and all WMS slots.

It's just the WMS slots 'cause everything else is working fine.

Oh well, I've deposited now, may as well play something.....