Williams Interactive (WMS) Games Now Live At Nordicbet

[conker]

In fairness to Jackpot party as well, no one can complain about their very low wagering requirements on bonuses.
In the last 3 weeks, on top of the regular monthly bonuses, they have sent me 3 100% match up to £200 with only 10x bonus wr

That's pretty generous, but that also depends on how much you are wagering. Its a drop in the ocean if you are spending £5k a day with them.

Good to see the WMS slots coming out elsewhere, this will do wonders to their popularity for online players.

 

[Jonsik]

i tried to play at Norcicbet today - after dozen of spins Wizard of Oz got freezed - server not responding - then switched to IR - after 3-4 spins same story- in the chat they admit having problems with both platforms but don't disable games temporarily or issue any warning- money just wasted and no fun - do you think it's fair we have compete not only against slot odds but also against software glitches?

 

[dks17]

i have been playing at nordicbet for most of the day on a combination of wms and netent games. I had a few server disconnections on and off over the course of the day which were fixed by just reloading the game but about half an hour ago the casino stopped working for me all together and now i cant even get the homepage up . is anyone else having the same issue?

 

[Tirilej]

i have been playing at nordicbet for most of the day on a combination of wms and netent games. I had a few server disconnections on and off over the course of the day which were fixed by just reloading the game but about half an hour ago the casino stopped working for me all together and now i cant even get the homepage up . is anyone else having the same issue?

I tried to take a look at the new games 10 minuts ago and I couldn't get it up either, so you're not alone

 

[Simmo!]

I think the RTP issue matters more when the progressive jackpots are much larger and therefore rarer. Like on Playtech's Marvel slots for example where you rarely ever see one yet you contribute 1% of RTP to the PJ. Actually, what's more, the 50-line versions of those games only have RTP's in the 92% range anyway, even before the 1% is deducted. You just don't *know* that

RTP has more of an impact when it is weighed up with the hit frequency of a game anyway. A high hit frequency hides a lower RTP quite well and vice versa.

On Jackpot Party the top awards are a lot smaller but consequently the RJ triggers a lot more frequently - I've had 6 or 7 in one session before now. So 92% + 2.99% or 95% doesn't really matter so much with WMS games IMO. That said, I don't really like PJs so I'd prefer a game without one.

 

[Impleo]

I love these games but it's been a nightmare for me on Nordic. I hit the winged monkey feature on Wizard of Oz and won 135 Euro but then it kept crashing and then crashed as the "Big win" was paying out my money and finally when I did get in it didn't reload the bonus game and didn't credit my money. I spoke to live chat who told me to send in a screen shot but not being very techy I don't know how I can if the page isn't there to take a screenshot of.

Have emailed support who say they aim to answer in 15 minutes but have had no response after an hour.

Just to update this - Nordic have credited my account with 150 euro and admitted there are problems on that game in particular that they are working on. So a good result and I am grateful to them for sorting it honestly.

 

[Slotster!]

Just to update this - Nordic have credited my account with 150 euro and admitted there are problems on that game in particular that they are working on. So a good result and I am grateful to them for sorting it honestly.

Ooooh... That's worrying. Fair play to this operator for sorting it out - but I was pretty much under the impression that if a win (or loss) has been decided for that 'event' - it will automatically be credited (debited) regardless of what's displayed on the screen and/or the game would remember the last state at all times. For that NOT to happen is concerning to say the least.

 

[Impleo]

Ooooh... That's worrying. Fair play to this operator for sorting it out - but I was pretty much under the impression that if a win (or loss) has been decided for that 'event' - it will automatically be credited (debited) regardless of what's displayed on the screen and/or the game would remember the last state at all times. For that NOT to happen is concerning to say the least.

Oh.. I'm not much of a hard line gambler nor an expert so just assumed this was okay. I won on the bonus round of the Wizard of oz, the free spins feature. It kept crashing on me but came back as an unfinished game and I was able to play it one free spin at a time before it crashed again and again. It wasn't until that finished and it was crediting the "Big win" that it lost it again and never came back. It was literally at the last second. Their email implies that they are taking me at my word, rather than that they could see the actual glitch that happened to me but I might have that wrong.

 

[PCJACKPOT2008]

Have been waiting a long time to try out that Bruce Lee-slot. Finally!

 

[societyofslots]

I thought the whole point of Jackpot Party was their exclusivity on WMS slots.. So I guess they have lost that mantle, or am I missing something.

 

[Simmo!]

I thought the whole point of Jackpot Party was their exclusivity on WMS slots.. So I guess they have lost that mantle, or am I missing something.

I am pretty sure the plan all along was to convert and licence their games. With the US & Canada online regulation potentially on the horizon, the two biggest hotspots for WMS land-based games, then it makes total sense for them to be ready for the demand that that will bring.

I think the UK market gave them the perfect training ground and now it's gradually expanding. Williams Interactive will - in time - be the biggest part of the business IMO.

Look at IGT - they started by purchasing their own platform (Wagerworks), their own casino (Kerching) too and they have gone down exactly the same route. Both companies are aggressively targetting social gaming platforms too. It's a wheels-in-motion thing.

 

[NordicBet]

Hello everyone,

I got an update from our Games Manager in regards to the VMS situation which I thought might be of interest to everyone here.

As you may have noticed, the WMS content has been taken down from all operators, and we are in the process of taking them down as well. Unfortunately, there were some load issues with the games which were not possible to replicate on staging environments, so WMS is currently investigating solutions to this problem. In regards to the case where we credited €150 to a player, this is simply because the load issues have also affected the back end, so we are not able to look up game rounds for the time being, which is one of the major reasons for us to take the games down. Instead of making the player wait until these issues have been fixed, we decided to take the players word for it so that the player could continue playing.

We are also planning on launching more WMS content in the upcoming months. We cannot say any exact release dates, but we can confirm WOZ Ruby Slippers and Alice are among the games due to be released on Nordicbet within the next couple of months

We will keep you posted on when we can have these games live again. Apologies for the inconvenience.

Robin

 

[dionysus]

Er..but i still see them

 

[dionysus]

Super bummed. Hope they get sorted.

 

[Simmo!]

A somewhat topical development today:

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Pretty sure it was them that bought Barcrest from IGT a while back too.

 

[Respin_Ftw]

I usually dont complain about slotplay out in the open, but after this disaster @ Nordicbet i must. Where are the extra % RTP? I have never had a session as bad as those i had on Nordicbet over @ JPP. It was a complete joke. I rather stick to Jackpotparty where i have a shot at the Jackpot and get features AND where the Bruce Lee slot dont look like it was made for Atari in 1984!

Burned through 2 large deposits in 30 minutes. Medium bets, medium games. Yuck!

I recommend those who can play at Jackpotparty to continue playing there. IMHO!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

What was your bankroll and what stake were you playing Bruce Lee at?

That's probably the highest variance slot WMS produce, an extra 4% on the RTP won't guarantee anything over a few hundred spins, it's going to be a few thousand spins at least before you start to feel the difference, and realistically tens of thousands of spins before you'd expect to see results at Jackpot Party and NordicBet really start to diverge - and as always with that slot, unless you hit the 20 free spins round you're going to be up against it somewhat.

 

[hinchy]

Not played at Nordicbet before, how do they compare to say Jackpot Party i.e bonuses, payouts etc?

 

[Respin_Ftw]

Not played at Nordicbet before, how do they compare to say Jackpot Party i.e bonuses, payouts etc?

They wont come close the bonuses with 10xWR that JPP have i guess. But speaking Netent they are pretty good. I dont have any numbers though.

 

[Respin_Ftw]

What was your bankroll and what stake were you playing Bruce Lee at?

That's probably the highest variance slot WMS produce, an extra 4% on the RTP won't guarantee anything over a few hundred spins, it's going to be a few thousand spins at least before you start to feel the difference, and realistically tens of thousands of spins before you'd expect to see results at Jackpot Party and NordicBet really start to diverge - and as always with that slot, unless you hit the 20 free spins round you're going to be up against it somewhat.

Well im gonna sound stupid now i guess but my bankroll was 113€ with 0.90 bet. I was ready to delete my post but i´ll let it be as a reminder of not to post too soon after a loss, a real irritating loss/losses, but nontheless...maybe i was a bit harsch. I just didnt expect my experience to be worse than JPP! Im actually gonna head over there now for a deposit.

 

[LaHutti]

Hush about Canadians....just hush ... Just had a small session playing Bruce Lee, Zeus and Wizard of oz ... not telling where

I think we might be in need of a Canada the beautiful thread ... lol

 

[rainmaker]

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I was thinking of posting this after you Canadian people had gone to bed for tonight. You know...just to avoid any trouble

But I may as well post it now hehe.

Nordicbet has given me a list of restricted countries regarding their WMS games (I am guessing this will apply regardless of casino, but I did not ask)

Afghanistan
Antigua & Barbuda
Australia
Belgium
Canada
China
Cuba
France (and all of its territories and holdings)
Iran
Iraq
Japan
Libya
Malaysia
Palestinian Territory
Poland
Portugal
Russia
Sudan
Switzerland
Syria
USA (and all of its states, territories, holdings and commonwealths, including without limitation the U.S. Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico, Guam and the Northern Mariana Islands)
Israel
Gibraltar
Indonesia
Turkey

 

[LaHutti]

Guess someone just wants to force us to go to great Canadian Casinos and play the games on 88% RTP machines...if anyone wants to play them that bad gawd!

Thanks for the update tho, Rainy

 

[dionysus]

Well, crap on toast, here i thought we might cut a break. Ah well nordic, twas fun, but when theres restricted games in the list, its off to greener pastures. Hope redbet gets their betsoft soon.

 

[dionysus]

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I was thinking of posting this after you Canadian people had gone to bed for tonight. You know...just to avoid any trouble

But I may as well post it now hehe.

Nordicbet has given me a list of restricted countries regarding their WMS games (I am guessing this will apply regardless of casino, but I did not ask)

Afghanistan
Antigua & Barbuda
Australia
Belgium
Canada
China
Cuba
France (and all of its territories and holdings)
Iran
Iraq
Japan
Libya
Malaysia
Palestinian Territory
Poland
Portugal
Russia
Sudan
Switzerland
Syria
USA (and all of its states, territories, holdings and commonwealths, including without limitation the U.S. Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico, Guam and the Northern Mariana Islands)
Israel
Gibraltar
Indonesia
Turkey

So im curious what they will do. Like igt for example, if a canadian tries to opena game, it says restricted. However, here the game opens and plays. If you dont happen to see CM and you go there and play do they just say, ' aww, sorry, all wins voided'?

 

[dionysus]

Er, this should be interesting. Live chat says they have no official word on restricted countries and its ok to deposit and play the wms

 

[rainmaker]

So im curious what they will do. Like igt for example, if a canadian tries to opena game, it says restricted. However, here the game opens and plays. If you dont happen to see CM and you go there and play do they just say, ' aww, sorry, all wins voided'?

No, I can never imagine that Nordic or any other Betsson brands would do something like that. These games were launched yesterday together with different problems, so I am sure that the software supplier (Williams) will implement a block for restricted countries as soon as these games are working as expected (no lag etc). Until then I can't see that it should be a problem for for example Canadians to play these games as long as they are available to you and no rules forbid it. But maybe a rep can clarify this as I am only guessing here.

 

[incrediblestuff]

I am very happy with the fact my country isn't on this list so i hope you got the final and correct one! cheers
my deepest condoleances to the fellow gamblers whose countries were on it of course

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I was thinking of posting this after you Canadian people had gone to bed for tonight. You know...just to avoid any trouble

But I may as well post it now hehe.

Nordicbet has given me a list of restricted countries regarding their WMS games (I am guessing this will apply regardless of casino, but I did not ask)

Afghanistan
Antigua & Barbuda
Australia
Belgium
Canada
China
Cuba
France (and all of its territories and holdings)
Iran
Iraq
Japan
Libya
Malaysia
Palestinian Territory
Poland
Portugal
Russia
Sudan
Switzerland
Syria
USA (and all of its states, territories, holdings and commonwealths, including without limitation the U.S. Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico, Guam and the Northern Mariana Islands)
Israel
Gibraltar
Indonesia
Turkey

 

[mrmark21]

Of course Australia's on the list

 

[dionysus]

Aaaaaaaand the games are now locked..sigh

 

[kujis]

Aww. Poopie. Wanted to try these out Oh well, back to JPP. No luck there though yet lol.

Anyone know how someone can win 14 jackpots in 10 minutes? Playing with $500 bet spins? According to this quote it doesn't affect the chances of triggering a jackpot.

[11:30:23 PM] ME: Do you have any idea if the amount you wager on a single spin increases your chances of getting a shot at it?
[11:31:02 PM] Michael: The amount of your wager does not effect your chances of triggering the Progressive.
[11:31:23 PM] ME: So you could actually win 10k off a 50p bet??!
[11:31:33 PM] Michael: That's correct.
[11:31:47 PM] Michael: Any stake any time.

 

[mrmark21]

Aaaaaaaand the games are now locked..sigh

What?! That's depressing

I had a feeling that might happen so got a fair few hours of play yesterday

 

[dionysus]

Well, WMS games are removed, but did it reak the site?...

 

[mrmark21]

Well, WMS games are removed, but did it reak the site?...

Not looking to good

 

[Simmo!]

Aww. Poopie. Wanted to try these out Oh well, back to JPP. No luck there though yet lol.

Anyone know how someone can win 14 jackpots in 10 minutes? Playing with $500 bet spins? According to this quote it doesn't affect the chances of triggering a jackpot.

With WMS, a bigger bet does increase your chances of triggering the progressive. But whether it affects your chances of progressing up the 4 levels, I have no idea.

 

[Slotster!]

With WMS, a bigger bet does increase your chances of triggering the progressive. But whether it affects your chances of progressing up the 4 levels, I have no idea.

If it's anything like any other progressive anywhere else (which it probably is ) - It's just a question of the more your contribute the more chances you get. It's like spending £5 buying five lottery tickets as opposed to £1 for one. The chance of progressing up the levels won't be affected as such, but by betting more you've got a greater chance of triggering a better paying 'event' (If that makes sense)!?

I should stick to pressing 'bet max' and keeping quiet.

 

[Balthazar]

With WMS, a bigger bet does increase your chances of triggering the progressive. But whether it affects your chances of progressing up the 4 levels, I have no idea.

If it does, it's rigged because you have to pick gifts and find the star to get to the next level. Unless they add additional stars when you bet higher (and I'm pretty sure they don't) your bet value should have no influence on the outcome.

It's likely similar to Mega Moolah, where you get a better chance to trigger the progressive wheel with a higher bet, but once you're there everyone has an equal chance at the jackpots.

 

[hucorte]

Are they available at Nordicbet now? Where can I find them?

 

[Slotster!]

It's likely similar to Mega Moolah, where you get a better chance to trigger the progressive wheel with a higher bet, but once you're there everyone has an equal chance at the jackpots.

I might be wrong, but I don't think it's that.

I think that once you press 'Spin' - the result is returned and that's either (in Mega Moolah's case) Minor, Mini, Major or MEGA! Or in most cases, none. I.e The outcome is decided prior to the wheel spin/star pick/box selection whatever.

And of course the bigger the bet, the more chances/entries into the Jackpot thing.

Unless there is a 'second level' RNG at the Progressive stage. In all cases, it's certainly not the odds displayed by the eye candy. I.e Number of wheel segments, number of boxes. Etc etc.

Who remembers when Mega Moolah first launched and they screwed up the graphics so loads of us thought we'd hit the MAJOR Jackpot?

 

[Balthazar]

I might be wrong, but I don't think it's that.

I think that once you press 'Spin' - the result is returned and that's either (in Mega Moolah's case) Minor, Mini, Major or MEGA! Or in most cases, none. I.e The outcome is decided prior to the wheel spin/star pick/box selection whatever.

And of course the bigger the bet, the more chances/entries into the Jackpot thing.

Unless there is a 'second level' RNG at the Progressive stage. In all cases, it's certainly not the odds displayed by the eye candy. I.e Number of wheel segments, number of boxes. Etc etc.

Who remembers when Mega Moolah first launched and they screwed up the graphics so loads of us thought we'd hit the MAJOR Jackpot?

The way I understand it (and the way it was explained here several times) is this one:

On Mega Moolah (MG), you have a greater chance to trigger the jackpot wheel if you bet higher, but the same chance to win the jackpot once triggered regardless of your bet size.

On Mega Fortune (Netent), you always have the same chance to trigger the bonus wheel, but a greater chance to win the jackpot if you bet higher (with 0% chance on free spins).

JPP, in theory, should be like Mega Moolah.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

If it does, it's rigged because you have to pick gifts and find the star to get to the next level. Unless they add additional stars when you bet higher (and I'm pretty sure they don't) your bet value should have no influence on the outcome.

It's likely similar to Mega Moolah, where you get a better chance to trigger the progressive wheel with a higher bet, but once you're there everyone has an equal chance at the jackpots.

The gift values in the JPP game and also the number of stars are the same whatever the triggering stake, there are videos of people triggering it at 30p per spin all the way up to £20+ per spin.

Personally I think the entire JPP round is pre-determined and that there's no such thing as a right or wrong choice, otherwise the higher value progressives would be dropping all the time.

Yes the gift picking game is a nice interactive sound and light show, but like the Mega Moolah wheel, you're just watching a pre-determined result and the odds of picking the 'advance a level' star are not what the gift matrix makes it out to be, indeed, you just click on gifts until you get the COLLECT as per what was determined the second you triggered the round.

 

[homerbert]

why this games not available at betsafe/nordic/unibet?

 

[PegeeSue]

Didn't see this question posted but..what's the reason Canadians can't play these games? I play them all the time in land based. Makes no sense to me. If I can play at an online casino why ban me from playing certain slots?

 

[homerbert]

where this gameeeeeeeees , i want to play even for free bruce lee

 

[Osloking]

I play them all the time in land based.

I guess thats why you cant play them online. also i think they have some contract with land based on this kinda things.

 

[LaHutti]

I believe The reason Canadians can't play wms slots online, is because the land based casinos are government owned, hence they scoop the money, and these casinos are loaded with wms slots.
I would think, if online gambling was regulated, and the government could still scoop the money from it, it would be perfectly ok ... it's all about the money, just like it is in the states

 

[Simmo!]

Personally I think the entire JPP round is pre-determined and that there's no such thing as a right or wrong choice, otherwise the higher value progressives would be dropping all the time.

+1

I believe The reason Canadians can't play wms slots online, is because the land based casinos are government owned, hence they scoop the money, and these casinos are loaded with wms slots.
I would think, if online gambling was regulated, and the government could still scoop the money from it, it would be perfectly ok ... it's all about the money, just like it is in the states

That's pretty much it lol. WMS and IGT don't want to jeopardise their land-based licences by enterting markets that are not specifically legalised. So grey/gray markets are out too.

 

[slotmaster]

I believe The reason Canadians can't play wms slots online, is because the land based casinos are government owned, hence they scoop the money, and these casinos are loaded with wms slots.
I would think, if online gambling was regulated, and the government could still scoop the money from it, it would be perfectly ok ... it's all about the money, just like it is in the states

This is exactly the reason for the record.


HAHA did not see simmo's post.

 

[Balthazar]

Personally I think the entire JPP round is pre-determined and that there's no such thing as a right or wrong choice, otherwise the higher value progressives would be dropping all the time.

Would they? It would be interesting to do the math and calculate your chance of getting the higher progressive based on the number of star(s) per screen vs the number of "bad" gifts. Avoiding the bad gifts for 4 consecutive steps could be mathematically very challenging.

I'm pretty sure that the "pick me" choices in land based slots can't be predetermined, and JPP is as close as land based as you can get online.

EDIT: Quick math for fun:

With 3 bad gifts and 1 star per screen you'd have 0.39% chance to get 4 stars.
With 4 bad gifts and 1 star: 0.16%.
With 5 bad gifts and 1 star: 0.077%

That's assuming that they have the same number of bad gifts in the first screens than the later ones.

So they can easily make it a rare occurence without predetermining the outcome. Not saying that's what they do, but it's pretty easy.

 

[homerbert]

Hey guys, when the games appear again in nordicbet/betsafe/unibet?