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William Hill withdrawal

Discussion in 'Introduce yourself! (New Members)' started by Hopeful, Aug 20, 2015.

    Aug 20, 2015
  1. Hopeful

    Hopeful Dormant account

    Occupation:
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    Location:
    Uk
    Hi. New here and looking for advice. Yesterday I won £4700 on a William hill casino slot game, however I did win this from my winnings accrued from my £10 sign up bonus. After checking I was able to withdraw the money (or so it led me to believe). I have had a confirmation email, and the money is set to pending on my account on William hill.

    My question is, how likely is it that I wil receive this money? I've had an email saying thank you for you withdrawal but I am sceptical after reading things about William hill plus their poor customer service yesterday that I will ever receive these winnings :(. Thanks in advance for any help
     
  2. Aug 20, 2015
  3. Batman

    Batman The Dark Knight MM

    Occupation:
    Nothing much
    Location:
    PokieLand
    There's a slight difference between sign up bonus and FREE sign up bonus.
    If you received a free sign up bonus then you'll 100% have a max cash out on those winnings (probably of $100 or so).
    If you received a sign up bonus (for a deposit) then it depends on you if you respected their terms on their bonus: didn't play games that have a 0% contribution and so on...

    Most probably you received a free sign up bonus and you will receive 100 quids after sending documents and making a verification deposit.

    If that's the case, my advice would be to
    -Reverse the withdrawal (if you won't reverse the withdrawal, they're gonna confiscate the rest and pay you the max cash out);
    -Ask for a withdrawal of 100 (more or less - make sure to read or ask the terms of that bonus from the website you got it from or from WH's support);
    -Play the rest and get loyalty points (comp points @ WH).
    -If the casino doesn't have loyalty points, go play progressives and hope for a huge jackpot, then they'll most probably pay your huge jackpot.

    Fingers crossed.

    LE:
    Another (risky) advice for after you reverse - You would also need a big bankroll for this*;

    William Hill withdrawal: warning-kt.png,Aug 20, 2015

    - Select a game that is not that popular;
    - Max bet on it until your balance goes to 0 (if you get a BIG WIN or SUPER WIN, close the game and simply select another)
    - Repeat step 2 until your balance hits 0 - fast hopefully.
    - Make deposit and play the same game (preferably with the same bet size, or just a tad smaller).
    - Withdraw your HUGE winnings.

    Drawback of this would be that it does need a huge bankroll, because of the randomness of the slot / s.
    However, in the end it should give you 95% of the extra cash you have:
    EG: You have $5,000 make 10x bets of $500 - lose all, deposit another $5,000 and make another 10 bets of $500, you'll eventually get a win of $9,500

    *This is just a theory which I tested and worked for me, however, I do not encourage anyone to replicate it.
     
  4. Aug 20, 2015
  5. paul7388

    paul7388 Meister Member MM

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    glasgow scotland
    I really don't get why everyone slates william hill so much.

    Anyway if you have a withdrawal and you were allowed to withdraw that amount from the bonus and you broke no terms then of course you will receive it.

    William Hill is one of the largest sites and most reputable you will get online. Maybe their CS isn't the best at times but they pay out quite fast.

    Don't know what you have been reading to give you so many concerns but as a UK player playing at UKs biggest bookie unless you have done something wrong then its about the safest place you can play.
     
  6. Aug 20, 2015
  7. paul7388

    paul7388 Meister Member MM

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    no idea what terms are of this bonus as cant see it on WHs site which im using at moment.

    But you will find unlike many of the casinos online if its actually William Hill site and not a casino connected to themthen there probably will be no MAX cashout. The British bookies free sign up offers normally carry no Max cahout. As long as you break no terms you should be free to withdraw any amount.

    And also if you are UK player and registered your debit card at one of the main bookies then their is normally no need to send any ID or make a deposit to withdraw winnings. You are normally verified instantly through card and details. A Uk site using uk players should not need any of the paperwork garbage other sites ask for as they should be able to verify online using electoral roles and credit agencies etc.
     
  8. Aug 20, 2015
  9. Hopeful

    Hopeful Dormant account

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    Paul

    Hi. I didn't realise I was slating them, just simply asking for advice as I was new to the site. Yes the customer service I received yesterday from them was poor.

    I have received and email to say "thanks for your withdrawal" but to be honest I have read a few negative comments about William hill making it difficult to get winnings. I just don't won't to get my hopes up in case I don't receive the winnings :)
     
  10. Aug 20, 2015
  11. Hopeful

    Hopeful Dormant account

    Occupation:
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    Paul

    I did call them yesterday but found what they were saying quite hard to understand. I think they were saying that the maximum I could withdraw was £200, however I had already had a win using the sign up bonus and this is what enabled me to keep playing and that is how I won the £4700.

    All I am wondering really is, will it be likely that they reduce my winnings to £200 even though I have an email stating my withdrawal request was successful?
     
  12. Aug 20, 2015
  13. paul7388

    paul7388 Meister Member MM

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    glasgow scotland
    Was it the actual main William Hill site that includes sports etc. If so you should get paid no problem.

    William Hill aren't in the habit of trying to not pay players. You will find that in most cases where they seem to be stalling its because they have concerns about the player.

    Whether its multiple accounts, abuse, not being able to verify them properly or whatever reason theres normally an explanation behind it.

    As they are one of the largest sites in the world they aren't going to try and get out of paying players a few thousand for no reason.

    As long as a player signs up, breaks no rules and William Hill has been able to verify them then they will get paid out fast.
     
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  14. Aug 20, 2015
  15. paul7388

    paul7388 Meister Member MM

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    Location:
    glasgow scotland
    Not sure as no idea of how you got the bonus or terms connected. Like I said it depends if its on main William hill site or not.

    If it is main William Hill site click on account. Click reverse withdrawals and if it says none available to withdraw click on statement. Go to payments and click all from last 2 days. It will show you the withdrawal if its processed and how much for. If its showing the full amount as processed then you should be okay as they normally process them just after 11PM each night. They get removed from pending and processed shortly after.

    But occasionally they don't send them right away as I made 2 withdrawals Monday night and should have received them in bank yesterday morning but for some reason payments got sent a bit later as received them this morning instead.

    But if its not on Willam Hills main site you played then cant help as other sites pay differently.
     
  16. Aug 20, 2015
  17. hedgehok

    hedgehok Senior Member mm3

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    Are you serious? If your theory would be correct you would assume that the previous (losing) session would increase chances of the later session to achieve winnings, hence the slots not being random. I usually don't comment on tin-foil-strategies but if you encourage others to implement them it gets dangerous (yes you said you won't encourage anybody but you still posted it and I find it important to clarify).
     
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  18. Aug 20, 2015
  19. paul7388

    paul7388 Meister Member MM

    Occupation:
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    glasgow scotland
    Okay as its WilliamHillcasinoclub not main William hill site things may work different as that's like a separate casino and you have to register separately there from the main site.

    They work the way most playtech casinos work so you might find that their is a max withdrawal.

    If it had been on Main William hills sportsbooks casino things would have been different.

    No idea how it works as I don't use the separate casino for many reasons. Hope you get paid in full tho.
     
  20. Aug 20, 2015
  21. Hopeful

    Hopeful Dormant account

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    Thank you

    Thank you. I'm thinking that this will be a no go! Thought it was too good to be true, thank you for all the advice :)
     
  22. Aug 20, 2015
  23. Jono777

    Jono777 Meister Member CAG mm4 mm1

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    Every time I see the name 'Playtech' I panic, Simply can't help it.

    Good Luck OP, keep us updated!
     
  24. Aug 20, 2015
  25. Batman

    Batman The Dark Knight MM

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    Location:
    PokieLand
    Hence the huge photo with the Do NOT try this at home... :)

    Again, as a disclaimer, I'm not saying this is a valid theory!!! Do not attempt this!!!
    ================================================================
    The slots are random and the following outcome may differ

    However, as I mentioned in the previous post, it worked for me in the past (not once, but twice).
    The slots ARE random, however, the RNG involved abides to an RTP. I used this "technique" based on that RTP theory.

    Saw on landbased casino slots (some of them have the RTP @ the end of the day (early in the morning when they reset the slots) on the screen).
    The RTP is between 90 and 105% - during a 24 hours period.
    Keep in mind that the following example happens only if you are the only player that plays the game;

    You play the game, put $10,000 in the machine, at the end of the day, after 24 hours of continuous gaming, you'll have between $9,000 and $10,500 in the machine.
    Based on this, if you put the 4,000 quids (money that would have been confiscated) in that machine, and play only with those + 10 or 20 quids of your own,
    At the end of the day, after a 24 hours session, you would leave with - let's say 95% - of the total (3819 for a deposit of 20)

    There are a lot of variables that should be taken into consideration (bet size, chances for each bet to hit and so on...)
    So do not try this at home... especially because on online casinos you will most probably not be the only one playing the slot.

    To let you guys know what happened in the land-based casino (twice):
    There was this high roller that deposited about 5k in the machine.
    After his play-session, seeing that he lost everything in just a few hands, I decided to give it a try.
    After playing with $500 (so I can mimic his bets), I got a hit of ~$3,500.

    Just one more time, for the guys reading this: DO NOT TRY THIS! This is only a theory and it will probably not work for you!
    ================================================================


    Hope it makes sense, HH
     
  26. Aug 20, 2015
  27. dionysus

    dionysus can turn wine into water CAG MM

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    Yes, I'm getting 'noone should try this at home'..I'm also furthering with 'noone should give this any credence'..it's absolute horse-pucky as a theory.
     
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  28. Aug 20, 2015
  29. Jono777

    Jono777 Meister Member CAG mm4 mm1

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    No offence Batman and yes great you've gotten disclaimers which is fine.

    However friendly piece of advice, ignore if you wish, like I say no offence intended at all, however you are not doing yourself any favours whatsoever by posting those sort of ideas. (Whether they have worked for you in the past or not / disclaimers or No disclaimers etc)

    Others in the forum will ridicule and some will be far less polite than me too!

    Just a polite heads up :D
     
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  30. Aug 20, 2015
  31. hedgehok

    hedgehok Senior Member mm3

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    I almost feel sorry for Batman.

    He made great effort with his posts/ideas and if you try this and it worked (especially with high bet-sizes) it can certainly impress and give a false impression of a good strategy. As has been said it's mathematically not justifiable and also by many bonus-T&C prohibited. I wouldn't even bother if it wouldn't be for the rookies out there that are not as savvy as many active members of this forum.

    Please don't feel discouraged. I almost always sympathize with your views.
     
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  32. Aug 20, 2015
  33. JackTenOff

    JackTenOff Webmaster webmeister

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    wow, what remarkably terrible advice, you obviously have no grasp how games work so you really shouldn't be giving out advice, especially when such large sums of money are involved
     
  34. Aug 21, 2015
  35. Batman

    Batman The Dark Knight MM

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    Nothing much
    Location:
    PokieLand
    "wow, what remarkably terrible advice," - You have a choice to consider it or not, especially when playing with someone else's money (casino's).

    "you obviously have no grasp how games work" - I am a gambler probably since you were still a toddler, so I guess I do have some experience with casinos and how their games worked / work.

    "shouldn't be giving out advice, especially when such large sums of money are involved" - :)) You are not on topic here mate, please read the post entirely and not only bits and pieces.
    The money I am referring at is a sum that would have been confiscated by the casino. It's a shame that the 4k actually went into the casino's pockets...

    Of course I am not discouraged ...
    It worked for me in the past, so I have no reason to.
    Also, most of my theories that got me most of my profits revolve around that specific theory.

    I can continue and strengthen my point of view with tons of examples from my gambling career, or from my gambling experience...
    However, I shall stop here.

    Please do understand that it's just a theory, and it's very hard to practice it without assistance / analysis and statistics.

    Also, for everyone to understand, the theory revolved around the 4k that would have been confiscated by the casino (money that were not owned by the OP, the OP had absolutely NO CLAIM on those funds)
    Compared to the other 2 things that the OP could have done (playing the funds for Loyalty / Comp Points or Playing Jackpots until he hits the big one, this theory is / will be allowed by casinos from all around the world.
    "bonus-T&C prohibited" - there's no mention of this in any T&Cs of any casinos... and there never will be, due to the fact that you will contradict the randomness of the slots, as you mentioned.
     

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