Wild Swarm by PUSH Gaming

[Balthazar]

Very strange they didn't initially release this slot with an average stake counter on the swarm feature...

I initially thought that it didn't really matter what the average stake was because there's no fixed number of bees needed to initiate the swarm once you reach the final level. So the slot could very well take more time on purpose to release the swarm if you raise your bet at the last stage.

But obviously there's something "wrong" with it if people manage to make tens of thousands in profit with the right betting "strategy".

 

[Borgie]

The Bandit is on the verge of buying a house from the profit on this slot. 20k profit in his last video and 28k last week I think.

I expect a "software update" on that slot in the near future.

I have also watched nickslots get some abysmal swarm rounds with it taking a large amount of bees to release the hive. I'd exercise caution here. A large win is not guaranteed. I have seen good ones too. Will be intetesting to follow this.

 

[pinnit2014]

Personally I think you need to hit a good swarm the first time you get it. I played it for ages and finally got, only to be hit with a really crap return. So the thought of doing it all again is a bit too much

Bee. Bee. Arghhhh beesss

 

[dionysus]

christ, finally triggered the damned thing - not as impressive as many, but gave me a good balance boosy
a buck

 

[Balthazar]

Personally I think you need to hit a good swarm the first time you get it. I played it for ages and finally got, only to be hit with a really crap return. So the thought of doing it all again is a bit too much

It depends how much you have spent to get it and the triggering bet. If you manage to get to the last level at $0.20/spin but trigger the swarm early at $10/spin it's going to be an amazing return even with a crap feature.

 

[Borgie]

It depends how much you have spent to get it and the triggering bet. If you manage to get to the last level at $0.20/spin and but trigger the swarm early at $10/spin it's going to be an amazing return even with a crap feature.

There is no guarantee though of hitting the swarm "early" . On stream in chat people say it sometimes takes over 150 bees before the swarm is released. At ten quid a spin and with very long dry periods in base game that could be very expensive. Get a naff swarm. I've seem one for less than 300 on a 6 quid) spin and you are down a fortune.

I really don't think peoole should assume they are going to make a fortune here.

 

[nikantw]

After losing 20,000 in fun mode, I think getting a feature on 5th level is as hard as getting the D on Bonanza.
My best win was 600x on 0.20 bet.

 

[steveh35]

I have decided to play tactics on this game build the swarm up on 20p spins using winning from the free battles and then when it gets to level 5 and is locked I will change tactics, but using the free battle winnings of a couple of quid will build it up nicely over a period of time.

 

[aceking123]

Been on it for a few months, it seems rather bad, spinning away from £6 upwards i have the hive full . But cannot trigger it,stakes
levels have been £2_£10 must of hsd maybe 30 chances to trigger it.

 

[TheresNoDInBonanza]

I initially thought that it didn't really matter what the average stake was because there's no fixed number of bees needed to initiate the swarm once you reach the final level. So the slot could very well take more time on purpose to release the swarm if you raise your bet at the last stage.

But obviously there's something "wrong" with it if people manage to make tens of thousands in profit with the right betting "strategy".

Yes I'm not sure this is really an exploit at all.. I had $315 and so jacked up the swarm to MAX with $0.20 spins (took about $40) and then went to $2 spins which drained the remaining balance of $275 in about 200 spins.

Not knowing when the swarm will trigger also makes it a pretty strange (pointless?) accumulator...

This guy who's made $35k or whatever may have just got lucky on some big spins?

 

[me_and_ed]

I call BULLSHIT on the bet increase when the hive is full, another bait tactic, I have had the hive full for almost a week, average bet was $2, went to $4 and had thousands of spins, stone cold, chest are low paying and scarce, the nest is so full of bees it would have fallen off the tree, there is no doubt in my mind that this game compensates for bet increases.

 

[TheresNoDInBonanza]

I call BULLSHIT on the bet increase when the hive is full, another bait tactic, I have had the hive full for almost a week, average bet was $2, went to $4 and had thousands of spins, stone cold, chest are low paying and scarce, the nest is so full of bees it would have fallen off the tree, there is no doubt in my mind that this game compensates for bet increases.

So you're suggesting that if you fill it with $0.20 bees then it will take ten times as many bees to trigger the bonus on $2 spins than $0.20 spins?

Let's say theoretically that's accurate, and as an example is would take 20 bees to trigger on $0.20 and 200 to trigger on $2- what happens if you do 19 bees on $0.20 and THEN switch to $2?

The big question is whether the bonus round is tied to current bet size at all.

 

[Balthazar]

I call BULLSHIT on the bet increase when the hive is full, another bait tactic, I have had the hive full for almost a week, average bet was $2, went to $4 and had thousands of spins, stone cold, chest are low paying and scarce, the nest is so full of bees it would have fallen off the tree, there is no doubt in my mind that this game compensates for bet increases.

The math model behind that slot is very hard to guess. A compensated slot would work best for this kind of game where a huge part of the RTP is tied to the swarm bonus which has to be "earned" but I don't think it can legally be compensated so I've really no idea what's going on here.

Also, all we need is one instance of someone betting 20p all the way to the final stage then raising their bet when the hive is full and getting the swarm early. Just one...

 

[me_and_ed]

The math model behind that slot is very hard to guess. A compensated slot would work best for this kind of game where a huge part of the RTP is tied to the swarm bonus which has to be "earned" but I don't think it can legally be compensated so I've really no idea what's going on here.

Also, all we need is one instance of someone betting 20p all the way to the final stage then raising their bet when the hive is full and getting the swarm early. Just one...

I wish I could provide the answer to that, I will post the approx amount of spins it takes to trigger after my bet change, I have not deviated once since changing the bet, the research is very expensive and I am a little irritated by the game so may be a few days.

 

[Balthazar]

I wish I could provide the answer to that, I will post the approx amount of spins it takes to trigger after my bet change, I have not deviated once since changing the bet, the research is very expensive and I am a little irritated by the game so may be a few days.

Oh I'm sure we'll get answers soon. Either the game wil receive a patch, casinos will pull the plug on it or people will get ruined. One of these 3 things will happen.

It's fairly easy to test though, even with play money (but time consuming).

Say someone bets 20p to build the hive and raises to £2 when the hive is full. If he/she then gets the swarm in fewer spins that it would realistically take to build the hive then the game can be abused.

 

[Balthazar]

One other possibility would be that the game has 2 "independent" modes.

Mode 1- Building the hive (low variance)
Mode 2- The hive is full (high variance)

When you enter mode 2, the game changes to a new variance and you get a random chance (say..1/30) of triggering the swarm every time that you get a bee. Could take 1 bee, could take 200 bees.

That would be by far the smartest way to build that slot.

 

[me_and_ed]

Oh I'm sure we'll get answers soon. Either the game wil receive a patch, casinos will pull the plug on it or people will get ruined. One of these 3 things will happen.

It's fairly easy to test though, even with play money (but time consuming).

Say someone bets 20p to build the hive and raises to £2 when the hive is full. If he/she then gets the swarm in fewer spins that it would realistically take to build the hive then the game can be abused.

They jacked over Tiki Tumble so it wouldn't surprise me, it was huge when it came out and now there is no way the game is the same, I am sure they removed scatters and wilds from the strips or however it is done, I haven't bothered going back to see if the RTP was changed or not.

 

[sufferinsilence]

According to some posts on Youtube and other forums Push Gaming meant to make the game like this; hard to believe! But if it's true and Push isn't going to update the game I think casino's will just remove it or lower the max stake so it can't be "abused" like it is right now.

 

[me_and_ed]

So I decide to lower my bet back down to $2 after another $500 gone on $4 spins, first bee triggers the feature......and what a complete shitbag of a feature, I am done with this game

 

[steveh35]

I got the hexagon feature and one of the options was a hive with arrows pointing at it, i did not get this but it is not in the rules what would this feature do if it was chosen, does it open the hive feature automatically even if i am on level 3?

Don't need to answer now i just got this and it takes up to the next level automatically.

 

[steveh35]

 

[nikantw]

My best win, regular fs in fun mode, 20p bet

 

[Oscar Arnhem]

Just played it using the "SYSTEM' mentiond , started on 20c and ended on 1$, needed only 13 bee's on level 5

 

[CasinoNinja]

Saw Nickslots build it up on 0.20, and triggered the swarm on the 2nd bee at a £4 stake, paid around 200x. So, it must just be random

 

[pinnit2014]

Must bee because I’m on about bee number 75