Why in the world would you keep playing at Rogues?

[BMWSTACK]

I had to start this topic with all the down to earth people here. I am reading another forum and saw a shot of large hit at a rogue casino. Now this forum I am reading has the the most optomistic group of people in the world, there is not a lot of reality that goes on. Everyone drools over the screenshots and doesnt really let out the slightest bit up reality, such as "you know that place is a rogue"? (now I know the people here would most likely not play a rogue, but if you did by accident you wouldnt have the balls to post it because we deal with reality here) Now this particular person also got a huge hit at another rogue months ago. I was the person that chimed in on this other site with reality and told them it was going to be tough to get the money. The member actually tried to insult me and tell me I didnt know what I was talking about. It wasnt until weeks later that that person had to start making posts of how the casino wouldnt pay them. So the question is How in the world does someone continue to play at rouge casinos after already being scammed once? Wouldnt the first time getting taking advantage of make you either stop gambing online or at least make you research? It is so damn easy to plug in a casino name into google.
Thank god for meister. This is the only casino forum that has everything you need to practice safe gambling online. And actually thank god for the members, the members are what helps to get all this information know. But best of all I love the colorful ways this information is sometimes exchanged. So thank you everyone for the information and the entertainment.

 

[ksech]

Maybe because everyone wants to be the optimistic gambler who wants to believe that they won't ever be the one who gets screwed over by some "roguish" casino. *Raises hand* Yep, I was one of those foolish players who took advantage of those "too good to be true bonuses/free chip offers" from the likes of Virtual when I started gambling online. Was fortunate enough to find this place BEFORE I was screwed over by them.

Just think how many players out there are raked over the coals, so to speak, on a daily basis by simply being uneducated about how to protect themselves from the tiniest problem to big problems. At least here, a player can get advice from other players (their peers) or from the mods or Bryan, or they can PAB.

This IS a great place! With wonderful, caring, helpful people.

 

[H1_Roller]

Oddly enough, I see the odd screen shot on here from wins at rogue casinos. Beggars belief. In fact, there is a fairly recent one from Betfair if I remember correctly.
The only casinos I ever play at are those listed here as good to go.

 

[Osloking]

Oddly enough, I see the odd screen shot on here from wins at rogue casinos. Beggars belief. In fact, there is a fairly recent one from Betfair if I remember correctly.
The only casinos I ever play at are those listed here as good to go.

Hello High Roller, i know about the betfair scandal, but that said i have been alot of difrent casinos that at least four casinos from Accredited Casinos that shouldnt been on the list, I'm a low roller to normal, and I do not know why but my luck on Betfair has always been on top, and when I take the withday the money is in my bank account 2 days later. I have been screwd many times by casinos on the Accredited Casinos list. and on top betfair flush all withdraw the time you press withdraw. most of the MG use 48H pending, and i had that Omni casino problem where they used 4 days in pending and after that 7 days to verify my doc.

my point is, I have very good experience with them, but let's see if I get the money tomorrow, it's 2 days ago I took the withday then

btw i love your screen shots (before they destroyed LOTR)

 

[sandykauf]

I think you take your chances with any online casino. The probability of being paid
Are better from reputable casinos but they can turn bad too. Inetbet is accredited
Here, yet they find excuses not to pay players. I read the complaints on them at
Gambling grumbles and they sound pretty rogue to me.

Some casinos only pay $500 a week like slots jungle but there are people that play
There. For many, that payout rate would be considered rogue but they aren't
Listed on this site as rogue.

I played many time at cherrygold and freespin. They're not accredited here, but
They definitely pay. Some of these so called rogues pay too or they would't be
In business. Some are probably much worse than others but like the other poster
Said concerning betfair (rogued here) they pay him. There are more and more complaints about clubworld on gg too, so accredited or not, it can happen at any casino.

The bottom line for me is who you personally trust.

 

[Osloking]

Just wanted to say i got paid today as expected

 

[Simmo!]

So the question is How in the world does someone continue to play at rouge casinos after already being scammed once?

... "too good to be true bonuses/free chip offers"...

Question/Answer above IMO. Bonuses. I'll lay money every player who plays them plays with a bonus. It's easy to get blinded to the reality - or to ignore evidence - by freebies. I bet we have all made mistakes in other walks of life at some stage too. Timeshares, bonuses, 2 for 1 deals that turns out to be tat, etc etc.

I have been screwd many times by casinos on the Accredited Casinos list...

This isn't a dig, just a question: but I'll bet that each time it involved play from a bonus?

I've played, tested and cashed out at well over 100 casinos including plenty that are not on the Accredited list. No out-and-out rogue (criminal) outfits but plenty that walk the tightrope. And I've never not received a cashout - and some have been sizeable. I'm convinced that the reason is that I rarely play with bonuses.

 

[KasinoKing]

I've played, tested and cashed out at well over 100 casinos including plenty that are not on the Accredited list. No out-and-out rogue (criminal) outfits but plenty that walk the tightrope. And I've never not received a cashout - and some have been sizeable. I'm convinced that the reason is that I rarely play with bonuses.

Just as a FYI...
I have played at over 200 casinos, some of them "well dodgy" (before I discovered CasinoMeister of course), including the likes of Windows, Black Widow, Virtual, Cleopatra's and Roman - always WITH bonuses - and I have also NEVER not been paid.
Though some did take several weeks, if not months.
(Actually I really miss Roman casino; quirky own-brand software and generous monthly bonuses. I am lifetime +$235 with them!)

I would never promote rogue casinos of course, but I have to say I get the feeling that a lot (not all) of player problems with some casinos is of their own making; either the player trying to cheat in some way (multiple accounts, fraud, etc.) or not reading the T&Cs properly and inadvertently breaking a rule.

KK

 

[BMWSTACK]

I think you take your chances with any online casino. The probability of being paid
Are better from reputable casinos but they can turn bad too. Inetbet is accredited
Here, yet they find excuses not to pay players. I read the complaints on them at
Gambling grumbles and they sound pretty rogue to me.

I personally have never had an issue with an accredited casino, sure I have seen a few issues, but most of the time if everything is legit it gets worked out. You have significantly less risk playing at an accredited casino than a non accredited. Now I do agree with you that there are plenty other casinos that are not accredited that are good. I personally typically choose to use the information off meister to determine where I play. I always tend to sway towards accredited

 

[Simmo!]

I think it's also worth pointing out (again LOL) that any player who plays a rogue is not only helping them stay in business but paving the way for other people to be conned.

I have played at over 200 casinos, some of them "well dodgy" (before I discovered CasinoMeister of course), including the likes of Windows, Black Widow, Virtual, Cleopatra's and Roman - always WITH bonuses - and I have also NEVER not been paid.

Just to clarify, I wasnt suggesting most Bonus players will have problems but that most problems will be on bonus play IMO

If the bonus was illegal (say) then most of these rogues wouldn't be able to find a competitive advantage (without breaking the law of course which would be a red flag in itself) and the majority of all the issues we see here would disappear overnight.

 

[BMWSTACK]

I think it's also worth pointing out (again LOL) that any player who plays a rogue is not only helping them stay in business but paving the way for other people to be conned.

Whats even better is when a forum helps the rouge. This other forum I view doesnt seem to really have the players interest at hand. I can recall a few months ago a mod or admin on this site actually posted an article about some big wins at cool cat. I did ask why would you help advertise a rouge. I told them my opinion was people would possible go deposit because of that article. I cant really recall the response, but basically it was something along the lines of it wasnt promoting.

 

[asghan]

I know about which site you are talking about. Their excuse for promoting rogues is: "We have warnings" (along with affliate link of course), "We allow to post freebies by our members for every site" etc.

When someone win and is complaining about not being paid, then moderators are saying: "We are so sorry, but we couldn't help you, we hope you get paid soon". I don't know if these moderators there are so naive or it is good acting.

 

[Silencio]

The reason I started my own site was because I was a regular member at a forum, and allot of players including me were complaining about the casino they listed as no.1 of their top 10.

But I have to say now I'm in it myself, I find it hard to find non-rogueish bonuses for american players, as well as no deposit bonuses. For instance this is vegas/davinci's gold/paradise8 and cocoa casino, they're not rogue-rogue, but I wouldn't give an european player the advice to play over there. If I would stay 100% true to my own beliefs I wouldn't even list them. I've been too busy to give it a good thought though..

Anyhow, they do it for a reason, and it most likely pays of for them (hopefully not in the long run)

Hard to imagine casinomeister has been around for such a long time, and I wonder what the industry would be like without it. Probably online gambling would be at the level of those phone sex adds..

 

[Nifty29]

Hello High Roller, i know about the betfair scandal, but that said i have been alot of difrent casinos that at least four casinos from Accredited Casinos that shouldnt been on the list, I'm a low roller to normal, and I do not know why but my luck on Betfair has always been on top, and when I take the withday the money is in my bank account 2 days later. I have been screwd many times by casinos on the Accredited Casinos list. and on top betfair flush all withdraw the time you press withdraw. most of the MG use 48H pending, and i had that Omni casino problem where they used 4 days in pending and after that 7 days to verify my doc.

my point is, I have very good experience with them, but let's see if I get the money tomorrow, it's 2 days ago I took the withday then

btw i love your screen shots (before they destroyed LOTR)

Im absolutely stunned that anyone would support Betfair by depositing given their recent theft of players money.

Do you have no concern for the honest player or the industry as a whole? Do you not care whether they ripped off fellow CM members, just as long as they pay YOU?

It's the reason that rogues stay in business right there.....it isn't just newbs who don't know any better, it is also players who don't give a rat's posterior about how anyone else gets treated.

If I were one of those betfair players who was taken to the cleaners, I would be seriously pissed to know that other members were flying the flag for them.

Maybe you can explain your thought process? I'm really just amazed.

 

[BMWSTACK]

I know about which site you are talking about. Their excuse for promoting rogues is: "We have warnings" (along with affliate link of course), "We allow to post freebies by our members for every site" etc.

When someone win and is complaining about not being paid, then moderators are saying: "We are so sorry, but we couldn't help you, we hope you get paid soon". I don't know if these moderators there are so naive or it is good acting.

So you know what I am talking about then if you know the site. First it seems like everyone took a happy pill. Kind of reminds me of munchkin land in wiz of oz, so happy and merry, even while taking a good screwing. I do love how this one person is always posting tons of screenshots, more than everyone else, like he has some formula to winning. Everyone ohhhs and ahhhs, but he doesnt even have the decency to let people know that they lose as much as any one of us. It is very misleading. Actually this same person was throwing a fit a long time ago about not getting paid from a casino. It was almost suicidal. They were so devasted that their $400 wasnt getting to them, but with all the screenshots it looks like they play 24hrs a day, its like what do you expect?. Actually I think this person has to be a shill.

 

[Nifty29]

So you know what I am talking about then if you know the site. First it seems like everyone took a happy pill. Kind of reminds me of munchkin land in wiz of oz, so happy and merry, even while taking a good screwing. I do love how this one person is always posting tons of screenshots, more than everyone else, like he has some formula to winning. Everyone ohhhs and ahhhs, but he doesnt even have the decency to let people know that they lose as much as any one of us. It is very misleading. Actually this same person was throwing a fit a long time ago about not getting paid from a casino. It was almost suicidal. They were so devasted that their $400 wasnt getting to them, but with all the screenshots it looks like they play 24hrs a day, its like what do you expect?. Actually I think this person has to be a shill.

You're right.....there is nothing worse than a shill.

Well, I'm off to play at inetbet and then maybe club world....

 

[footdr]

There are alot of unreputable "online casino" review and bonus sites. It amazes me how many of them think casinos I stay well clear of due to problems I have had(not involving bonuses) are rated at the top of their best picks.

There have been a few, no many, rouged casino groups on CM that I never had a problem with in 5+ years.

 

[Nifty29]

There are alot of unreputable "online casino" review and bonus sites. It amazes me how many of them think casinos I stay well clear of due to problems I have had(not involving bonuses) are rated at the top of their best picks.

There have been a few, no many, rouged casino groups on CM that I never had a problem with in 5+ years.

So you still play at CM 'rouged' casinos?

If so, what is your reasoning? Does their unethical or downright criminal behaviour towards fellow players not matter to you as long as you get nice bonuses and get paid?

It is not a personal attack....these are serious questions. If players supported each other and sent a message that 'rouge' behaviour is unacceptable by not depositing, these operators would have to change their ways or go down the plughole. You see, they will happily pay selected players with no problem at all so they will sing their praises....but the newbs and the players not fortunate enough to be selected will be taken for a ride as per usual. You, and others like you, are, perhaps unwittingly, part of the problem.

 

[nonif]

For sure Ive learned one thing, It is ROGUE, not rouge. For all the remaining doubts, I will need some more time

 

[Osloking]

Im absolutely stunned that anyone would support Betfair by depositing given their recent theft of players money.

Do you have no concern for the honest player or the industry as a whole? Do you not care whether they ripped off fellow CM members, just as long as they pay YOU?

It's the reason that rogues stay in business right there.....it isn't just newbs who don't know any better, it is also players who don't give a rat's posterior about how anyone else gets treated.

If I were one of those betfair players who was taken to the cleaners, I would be seriously pissed to know that other members were flying the flag for them.

Maybe you can explain your thought process? I'm really just amazed.

let me say a few things before you attack me,

I have not in any way support what they have done. and I feel for those affected. listen to the story of the people before you get so aggressive,

I started to play there just pure coincidence, I deposited 100kr and suddenly I had 6000kr in my acount after playing 5min there, I took it out, I got the money few days later. i contiuned to low roll and won big buks, i had then turned 3000kr in deposits total to 90000kr in cash out, then i searched about them and found about the happy hours promotion scandal, i stopped playing there for a while, and played many other casinos, my luck sucked big time, i never had a ONE single cash out at 32red in 7 months i deposited many ++ 50-80 $ and never had acount balance over 130dollar..... 3dice? dont let me start...

Moreover, I have always deposited about 20 dollars, who cares they they does not let me withdraw when my 20dollar deposit at 3dice go faster than the lightning?

I'm talking about MY experience, I have never told anyone to play there.

 

[Nifty29]

let me say a few things before you attack me,

I have not in any way support what they have done. and I feel for those affected. listen to the story of the people before you get so aggressive,

I started to play there just pure coincidence, I deposited 100kr and suddenly I had 6000kr in my acount after playing 5min there, I took it out, I got the money few days later. i contiuned to low roll and won big buks, i had then turned 3000kr in deposits total to 90000kr in cash out, then i searched about them and found about the happy hours promotion scandal, i stopped playing there for a while, and played many other casinos, my luck sucked big time, i never had a ONE single cash out at 32red in 7 months i deposited many ++ 50-80 $ and never had acount balance over 130dollar..... 3dice? dont let me start...

Moreover, I have always deposited about 20 dollars, who cares they they does not let me withdraw when my 20dollar deposit at 3dice go faster than the lightning?

I'm talking about MY experience, I have never told anyone to play there.

By playing at rogues, you are effectively endorsing their lack of ethics and shady business practices. The amount is irrelevant, as is whether you tell anyone else to play. It's pretty simple really.

If you think I'm being harsh, why don't you post over in the betfair fiasco thread and see what comments you get over there.

I'm just trying to show how the rogues stay in business, and you are a prime example.

 

[The Dude]

Casinos that are considered "Rogue" are listed for various reasons. Obviously, there are certain levels of rogueness; serious evil rogueness (bad software, disappearing with player funds) to "rogue-lite" (poorly applied T&Cs, crappy support, etc.)

So this needs to be considered before lumping all forms of rogueness together questioning why people still patronize these companies.

Betfair: even though they are in the rogue section for a damn good reason, it is a solid company that has good business ethics. Sure, they screwed up something serious and tried to BS their way out of a problem. But that does not mean that they lack ethics and that their promoters lack the same.

 

[H1_Roller]

*ahem*

Weren't Betfair up to more dirty tricks very recently, like a couple of days ago? I'm pretty sure I read something in that thread yesterday. I'll go check...

Here:

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/betfair-bonus-fiasco.41102/

 

[KasinoKing]

Im absolutely stunned that anyone would support Betfair by depositing given their recent theft of players money.
Do you have no concern for the honest player or the industry as a whole? Do you not care whether they ripped off fellow CM members, just as long as they pay YOU?
It's the reason that rogues stay in business right there.....it isn't just newbs who don't know any better, it is also players who don't give a rat's posterior about how anyone else gets treated.

I'm with you here.
You probably know I moderate on a "hunters" forum where a LOT of the members got screwed by Betfair. But just a few weeks later the same players are taking new bonus offers from the very same casino who just stole from them...
It boggles my mind, it really does.
With attitudes like that I'm afraid we are fighting a losing battle against the rogue outfits.

KK

 

[Simmo!]

I must admit that any "problem" that involves a bonus just makes me *shrug*. I wouldn't label a casino rogue on that alone because I believe both parties are trying to get something for nothing and I believe you make your own bed in that situation. I have no sympathy with bonus players - but nor do I have sympathy for casinos who run into problems using them. That's why you don't want me handling PABs

It's the ethical treatment of players that I have an issue with. After the Betfair fiasco, I arranged a call with the guy at Betfair who handled the HH promo to have a long chat about it and to understand what happened. I got the stats on participants, players paid, money paid out, players not paid, reasons why and reasons for lack of communication etc etc. When you balance that side of the story and the players side of the story you can pretty much see how it panned out. The trouble is that with "ethics", everyone will have their own take on it - there is no definition to help you draw a line so there will always be disagreements about what's ethical and what's not.

That is why sites like Casinomeister and others that have been mentioned can only really offer an opinion based on experiences (at best - we know some don't even do that!). I agree that some sites should pay more attention to what is happening around them but at the end of the day, like it or not, everyone is here because they want to make money: casinos entice, affilates promote and players play to win . Generalisations, obviously but that's how the world works. It's down to each individual to make their own decisions at the end of the day. But it would be nice if they would consider the impact their decisions have on other people - especially other players. But most won't unfortunately. Again - it's how the world works. Always has, always will.

There are enough opinions and enough experiences on the web to make those decisions though. As long as it's based on common sense of course

 

[Tengil]

FWIW Betfair has also confiscated winnings from SUBs with the same reasoning (spirit of bonus) as in the HH fiasco.

And I played there after the HH fiasco, they suddenly sent a reload (100% 50€) after like 1 year of silence. Won 400€ and was paid but never heard of them again. Maybe they will send one next year again?

Edit: for most roguish or shady outfits problems start when you win "too much". Mid four figures is usually the breaking point.

 

[H1_Roller]

FWIW Betfair has also confiscated winnings from SUBs with the same reasoning (spirit of bonus) as in the HH fiasco.

Just a dodgy outfit as far as I'm concerned. Wouldn't go near them. A Rogue is a Rogue.

 

[sandykauf]

I really don't agree with "a rogue is a rogue". All rogues on this site are not alike but
They appear on a list together. Places like goldvip club are listed here as black hat seo or something like that.
Based on what I've read, they are one of the most rogue casinos that don't pay
Legitamite winners. Winward casino is another terrible casino, but I don't
Think the are on the list.

I like how sportsbook review rates sportsbooks between A-F. The bad ones are
Not all lumped together, but rather receive individual grades. I wish there was
A website that graded all the online casinos in this way and was an established reference
Site like sportsbook review is for sports gamblers.

This site tries to do that, but is not as specific with individual grading. All the accredited
Casinos listed here should not receive an A because they are not all cream of the crop.

 

[Simmo!]

I wish there was a website that graded all the online casinos in this way and was an established reference site...

I've toyed with this idea many times. Even programmed an automated grading system based on specifics but there is one issue I struggle to deal with. If one lists casinos that are truly rogue it still gives them publicity and some players will still go there.

I know this because I tried an experiment. Listed a casino that I know is actually safe but scored it very low, made it look like a place you wouldn't want to play at and reviewed it with a very negative review. Still people went and played there.

So I ended up doing something similar to what you suggested but without "true" rogues on the premise that any publicity is good publicity, even if it only attracts one player. I bet SR sends players (even if it's only by referencing them) to bad sportsbooks unwittingly and that helps keep those rogues in business. I think SR is a great service, don't get me wrong, but that is a downside.

 

[The Dude]

Years ago (me thinks 2003 or so) I was offered money to keep a casino group in the rogue section. They were already in there and the operator said it was the best publicity he ever had and wanted to pay me a lot of money to keep them there. I told him to take a hike and changed the casino's hyperlink to menwholooklikekennyrogers.com. In fact, I changed all rogued casino hyperlinks to this site. Unfortunately, the webmaster blocked traffic from Casinomeister, so I had to kill all of the links. Now I don't list the casinos with live links for this reason.

 

[H1_Roller]

menwholooklikekennyrogers.com :notworthy

Seriously though, I don't get this "grades of Rogueness". A Rogue casino is in the pit for a reason/many reasons, and deserve to be there full stop.
If you were the victim of a burglary, would you say he was only a 'bit of a burglar' because he only stole your TV and DVD player, and therefore doesn't deserve to be tarred with the same brush as someone else who might've broke into your home and cleaned you out? Not quite the same thing, but Rogues do steal your money in the dirtiest, sneakiest of ways.

 

[sandykauf]

I look at sportsbook review before depositing at a sportsbook because they also upgrade
And downgrade sites which maintains the "current environment" for the individual
Sportsbook. I've deposited at C rated books before too and never had a problem.

Should a place like betfair be always graded e or f or in the rogue pit forever?
Based on some players perspective, this place is an a or b because they do pay
And fairly quickly. When sportsbook review gets reports of players being paid
In a previously negative situation, they upgrade them to show the effort.

I like the dynamic ugrade or downgrade because it's current.

 

[Przecinek]

I tend not to play with rogues or casinos that have unclear terms&conditions, allowing easy money confiscation.

I do however try new casinos that pop up from time to time - in this case I have to take a risk higher than usual.
The longest time I've waited for my WD was from "The gamblers palace" - took around 5 months to sort out.

 

[bryand]

Warning - Slots Jungle

[cross-posting]

Slots Jungle: "We are experiencing a delay with withdrawals and are trying hard to get it fixed." per live chat. My interpretation: at least 3 months.

Anyone collect from them lately?

[/cross-posting]

Back on topic. Why did I play there anyway

In fairness to the semi-rogues, I was jerked around by both iNetBet and ClubWorld with withdrawals this month. I've been a member at both for 4 or 5 years. Another faxback form? Same address, same phone. Really??

 

[Nifty29]

[cross-posting]

Slots Jungle: "We are experiencing a delay with withdrawals and are trying hard to get it fixed." per live chat. My interpretation: at least 3 months.

Anyone collect from them lately?

[/cross-posting]

Back on topic. Why did I play there anyway

In fairness to the semi-rogues, I was jerked around by both iNetBet and ClubWorld with withdrawals this month. I've been a member at both for 4 or 5 years. Another faxback form? Same address, same phone. Really??

IMO slots jungle and Winpalace etc should be rogued based solely on their policy of holding player winnings to ransom by very slow payment and pathetic low weekly max, quite apart from their disgraceful public behaviour lately and likely involvement in ddos attacks.

You're right in asking why you played there, but being fully informed now should convince you to stay away in future (I hope).

If you still want to feed them, KasinoKing still recommends them and has all the latest bonus info to help you make the right choice.....

 

[Przecinek]

Actually I got paid from Winpalace promptly ...no delays apart from their obsecene 7 working day reverse period or so, no $500 dolar cashout problem (I withdrew almost twice as that). It's just one of the ways of discouraging advantage players I guess and they don't inforce it on each and every player. I would actually suggest putting them on probations if it wasn't for this whole ddos attack thing which made me realize they have to be in some seriously dirty business and I'm maybe being paid for a reason.

Still I have ambigous feeling about this lot. Never played in slots jungle so can't comment.

 

[Nifty29]

Actually I got paid from Winpalace promptly ...no delays apart from their obsecene 7 working day reverse period or so, no $500 dolar cashout problem (I withdrew almost twice as that). It's just one of the ways of discouraging advantage players I guess and they don't inforce it on each and every player. I would actually suggest putting them on probations if it wasn't for this whole ddos attack thing which made me realize they have to be in some seriously dirty business and I'm maybe being paid for a reason.

Still I have ambigous feeling about this lot. Never played in slots jungle so can't comment.

Slots Jungle = Winpalace FYI

The cashout policies have nothing to do with advantage players. It is a deliberate action of delaying payouts to entice players to play back their winnings.

If you had to wait 7 days for your withdrawal to be processed, you were not paid promptly at all. Receiving your cash in 24 hours from the time you cashout is being paid promptly.

If you realize they are in some dirty business (very likely) then you should seriously consider this when deciding where to spend your cash.

 

[max1mike]

Whats even better is when a forum helps the rouge. This other forum I view doesnt seem to really have the players interest at hand. I can recall a few months ago a mod or admin on this site actually posted an article about some big wins at cool cat. I did ask why would you help advertise a rouge. I told them my opinion was people would possible go deposit because of that article. I cant really recall the response, but basically it was something along the lines of it wasnt promoting.

i made a comment on a forum that blatently promotes rogues, and by the reaction i got you would have thought i was satan. several members from here that saw commented on the thread, agreed with me, and got the same cold response.

a wise old man once told me: "its all about the money"...and that is how some other forums think.

 

[Kotsy1]

IMO slots jungle and Winpalace etc should be rogued based solely on their policy of holding player winnings to ransom by very slow payment and pathetic low weekly max, quite apart from their disgraceful public behaviour lately and likely involvement in ddos attacks.

You're right in asking why you played there, but being fully informed now should convince you to stay away in future (I hope).

If you still want to feed them, KasinoKing still recommends them and has all the latest bonus info to help you make the right choice....

Was that necessary? Seems like a direct slap in the face to KasinoKing

Why not post all the other memebers here who have sites and promote them.

Nifty.......be a good boy. It is Christmas

 

[chuchu59]

Well said Kotsy. I have full faith in KK's integrity and he is not one who will push innocent players to the jaws of rogue casinos. Actually, why kid ourselves? The rogues must have done something smart to be able to maintain a huge base of players. If you are a lo-medium roller it is likely you find the rogues attractive because of the bonuses they offer. The fact that they do pay when amounts do not reach 4-figure sums also mean they are good casinos in the eyes of many players. Of course the same players do not realise that when and if they hit big they wont get their money .

It is time to get off our high horse and examine the practicalities of the issue in hand. The rogues arent just surviving, they are thriving especially when some top casinos are feeling the pinch of the global economic slowdown. Condemn them if you want but players still flock to them due to the reasons above. Why did Virtual employ Marty Davis last year? The reason is simple.The casino was probably losing a lot of customers and decided it was worth paying back some of the outstanding payments to players to maintain a solid player base. Were they intent on turning over a new leaf? Cerainly not! I do feel for Marty however as I believe he has done his best for the players.

 

[PNEFOREVER2]

Oddly enough, I see the odd screen shot on here from wins at rogue casinos. Beggars belief. In fact, there is a fairly recent one from Betfair if I remember correctly.
The only casinos I ever play at are those listed here as good to go.

I thought Betfair were legit,won about £100 from a less than £1 spin at Betfair a few months ago-got paid in my MB account within 12 hours-no fuss over docs or anything.....

 

[Nifty29]

Well said Kotsy. I have full faith in KK's integrity and he is not one who will push innocent players to the jaws of rogue casinos. Actually, why kid ourselves? The rogues must have done something smart to be able to maintain a huge base of players. If you are a lo-medium roller it is likely you find the rogues attractive because of the bonuses they offer. The fact that they do pay when amounts do not reach 4-figure sums also mean they are good casinos in the eyes of many players. Of course the same players do not realise that when and if they hit big they wont get their money .

It is time to get off our high horse and examine the practicalities of the issue in hand. The rogues arent just surviving, they are thriving especially when some top casinos are feeling the pinch of the global economic slowdown. Condemn them if you want but players still flock to them due to the reasons above. Why did Virtual employ Marty Davis last year? The reason is simple.The casino was probably losing a lot of customers and decided it was worth paying back some of the outstanding payments to players to maintain a solid player base. Were they intent on turning over a new leaf? Cerainly not! I do feel for Marty however as I believe he has done his best for the players.

Excuse me, but all I did was state a fact. Not an opinion or point of view or theory. A fact.

I did not make any remarks of a personal nature, and merely highlighted the fact that KK insists they are A-OK and totally legit.

If KK or anyone else sees this statement of fact as a "slap in the face" it says something about that fact, doesn't it? I mean, if he is totally behind the casinos he promotes, then why would he or anyone else be concerned or find it "insulting" when someone mentions that he promotes a certain casino? If I had said "he promotes 32red" we wouldn't be having this discussion so what's the problem?

I I had a whole lit of stuff typed but I don't want it to become a discussion about individual members. Too many of these have gotten ugly and I don't want a part of that any more.

 

[KasinoKing]

If KK or anyone else sees this statement of fact as a "slap in the face" it says something about that fact, doesn't it? I mean, if he is totally behind the casinos he promotes, then why would he or anyone else be concerned or find it "insulting" when someone mentions that he promotes a certain casino? If I had said "he promotes 32red" we wouldn't be having this discussion so what's the problem?

I I had a whole lit of stuff typed but I don't want it to become a discussion about individual members. Too many of these have gotten ugly and I don't want a part of that any more.

I know you hate the Affactive Group - that is your prerogative - and so I have come to expect your "little digs" about them inserted into threads at any opportunity.

As I said to you before, they are highly regarded in the gambling community as a whole and have not been proved to have done anything wrong. If Bryan thought they were "seriously dodgy" I'm sure he would have rogued them, but as it stands they aren't even on his "Not Recommended" list.
If he does rogue them I will immediately remove them from my sites. I don't list ANY rogue casinos.
Shame we can't say that about some other gaming portals.

Anyway, it's the season of good will - so Merry Christmas!
KK

 

[chuchu59]

Merry X'mas KK. Have a good time with your kids.

 

[bryand]

I know you hate the Affactive Group - that is your prerogative - and so I have come to expect your "little digs" about them inserted into threads at any opportunity.

As I said to you before, they are highly regarded in the gambling community as a whole and have not been proved to have done anything wrong. If Bryan thought they were "seriously dodgy" I'm sure he would have rogued them, but as it stands they aren't even on his "Not Recommended" list.
If he does rogue them I will immediately remove them from my sites. I don't list ANY rogue casinos.
Shame we can't say that about some other gaming portals.

Anyway, it's the season of good will - so Merry Christmas!
KK

Season's Greetings, KK.

You may want to revisit your trust in these guys. Not only are they not currently paying out but also not returning emails (from a week ago!). Live chat doesn't know what to say. Recent postings on similar fora reveal trouble brewing - greater than the usual U.S. processor issues. Of course if my long-overdue wire was to hit soon I'd probably go away quietly In any event, I will think twice (or 3 or 4 times) before giving them any more of my money.

And don't you find it troubling that CM banned their forum rep? How often does that happen?