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Why in the world would you keep playing at Rogues?

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by BMWSTACK, Sep 26, 2011.

    Sep 26, 2011
  1. BMWSTACK

    BMWSTACK Ueber Meister

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    I had to start this topic with all the down to earth people here. I am reading another forum and saw a shot of large hit at a rogue casino. Now this forum I am reading has the the most optomistic group of people in the world, there is not a lot of reality that goes on. Everyone drools over the screenshots and doesnt really let out the slightest bit up reality, such as "you know that place is a rogue"? (now I know the people here would most likely not play a rogue, but if you did by accident you wouldnt have the balls to post it because we deal with reality here) Now this particular person also got a huge hit at another rogue months ago. I was the person that chimed in on this other site with reality and told them it was going to be tough to get the money. The member actually tried to insult me and tell me I didnt know what I was talking about. It wasnt until weeks later that that person had to start making posts of how the casino wouldnt pay them. So the question is How in the world does someone continue to play at rouge casinos after already being scammed once? Wouldnt the first time getting taking advantage of make you either stop gambing online or at least make you research? It is so damn easy to plug in a casino name into google.
    Thank god for meister. This is the only casino forum that has everything you need to practice safe gambling online. And actually thank god for the members, the members are what helps to get all this information know. But best of all I love the colorful ways this information is sometimes exchanged. So thank you everyone for the information and the entertainment.
     
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  2. Sep 26, 2011
  3. ksech

    ksech Dormant account

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    Maybe because everyone wants to be the optimistic gambler who wants to believe that they won't ever be the one who gets screwed over by some "roguish" casino. *Raises hand* Yep, I was one of those foolish players who took advantage of those "too good to be true bonuses/free chip offers" from the likes of Virtual when I started gambling online. Was fortunate enough to find this place BEFORE I was screwed over by them.

    Just think how many players out there are raked over the coals, so to speak, on a daily basis by simply being uneducated about how to protect themselves from the tiniest problem to big problems. At least here, a player can get advice from other players (their peers) or from the mods or Bryan, or they can PAB.

    This IS a great place! With wonderful, caring, helpful people.
     
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  4. Sep 27, 2011
  5. H1_Roller

    H1_Roller Non-Gambler

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    Oddly enough, I see the odd screen shot on here from wins at rogue casinos. Beggars belief. In fact, there is a fairly recent one from Betfair if I remember correctly.
    The only casinos I ever play at are those listed here as good to go.
     
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  6. Sep 27, 2011
  7. Osloking

    Osloking Quit Gambling

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    Hello High Roller, i know about the betfair scandal, but that said i have been alot of difrent casinos that at least four casinos from Accredited Casinos that shouldnt been on the list, I'm a low roller to normal, and I do not know why but my luck on Betfair has always been on top, and when I take the withday the money is in my bank account 2 days later. I have been screwd many times by casinos on the Accredited Casinos list. and on top betfair flush all withdraw the time you press withdraw. most of the MG use 48H pending, and i had that Omni casino problem where they used 4 days in pending and after that 7 days to verify my doc.

    my point is, I have very good experience with them, but let's see if I get the money tomorrow, it's 2 days ago I took the withday then :)

    btw i love your screen shots :D (before they destroyed LOTR)
     
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  8. Sep 27, 2011
  9. sandykauf

    sandykauf Banned User - violation of posting rules 1.1, 1.6,

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    I think you take your chances with any online casino. The probability of being paid
    Are better from reputable casinos but they can turn bad too. Inetbet is accredited
    Here, yet they find excuses not to pay players. I read the complaints on them at
    Gambling grumbles and they sound pretty rogue to me.

    Some casinos only pay $500 a week like slots jungle but there are people that play
    There. For many, that payout rate would be considered rogue but they aren't
    Listed on this site as rogue.

    I played many time at cherrygold and freespin. They're not accredited here, but
    They definitely pay. Some of these so called rogues pay too or they would't be
    In business. Some are probably much worse than others but like the other poster
    Said concerning betfair (rogued here) they pay him. There are more and more complaints about clubworld on gg too, so accredited or not, it can happen at any casino.

    The bottom line for me is who you personally trust.
     
  10. Sep 28, 2011
  11. Osloking

    Osloking Quit Gambling

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    Just wanted to say i got paid today as expected :thumbsup:
     
  12. Sep 28, 2011
  13. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

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    Question/Answer above IMO. Bonuses. I'll lay money every player who plays them plays with a bonus. It's easy to get blinded to the reality - or to ignore evidence - by freebies. I bet we have all made mistakes in other walks of life at some stage too. Timeshares, bonuses, 2 for 1 deals that turns out to be tat, etc etc.


    This isn't a dig, just a question: but I'll bet that each time it involved play from a bonus?

    I've played, tested and cashed out at well over 100 casinos including plenty that are not on the Accredited list. No out-and-out rogue (criminal) outfits but plenty that walk the tightrope. And I've never not received a cashout - and some have been sizeable. I'm convinced that the reason is that I rarely play with bonuses.
     
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  14. Sep 28, 2011
  15. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    Just as a FYI...
    I have played at over 200 casinos, some of them "well dodgy" (before I discovered CasinoMeister of course), including the likes of Windows, Black Widow, Virtual, Cleopatra's and Roman - always WITH bonuses - and I have also NEVER not been paid.
    Though some did take several weeks, if not months.
    (Actually I really miss Roman casino; quirky own-brand software and generous monthly bonuses. I am lifetime +$235 with them!)

    I would never promote rogue casinos of course, but I have to say I get the feeling that a lot (not all) of player problems with some casinos is of their own making; either the player trying to cheat in some way (multiple accounts, fraud, etc.) or not reading the T&Cs properly and inadvertently breaking a rule.

    KK
     
  16. Sep 28, 2011
  17. BMWSTACK

    BMWSTACK Ueber Meister

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    I personally have never had an issue with an accredited casino, sure I have seen a few issues, but most of the time if everything is legit it gets worked out. You have significantly less risk playing at an accredited casino than a non accredited. Now I do agree with you that there are plenty other casinos that are not accredited that are good. I personally typically choose to use the information off meister to determine where I play. I always tend to sway towards accredited
     
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  18. Sep 28, 2011
  19. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

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    I think it's also worth pointing out (again LOL) that any player who plays a rogue is not only helping them stay in business but paving the way for other people to be conned.

    Just to clarify, I wasnt suggesting most Bonus players will have problems but that most problems will be on bonus play IMO :)

    If the bonus was illegal (say) then most of these rogues wouldn't be able to find a competitive advantage (without breaking the law of course which would be a red flag in itself) and the majority of all the issues we see here would disappear overnight.
     
  20. Sep 28, 2011
  21. BMWSTACK

    BMWSTACK Ueber Meister

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    Whats even better is when a forum helps the rouge. This other forum I view doesnt seem to really have the players interest at hand. I can recall a few months ago a mod or admin on this site actually posted an article about some big wins at cool cat. I did ask why would you help advertise a rouge. I told them my opinion was people would possible go deposit because of that article. I cant really recall the response, but basically it was something along the lines of it wasnt promoting.
     
  22. Sep 28, 2011
  23. asghan

    asghan Newbie member PABaccred

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    I know about which site you are talking about. Their excuse for promoting rogues is: "We have warnings" (along with affliate link of course), "We allow to post freebies by our members for every site" etc.

    When someone win and is complaining about not being paid, then moderators are saying: "We are so sorry, but we couldn't help you, we hope you get paid soon". I don't know if these moderators there are so naive or it is good acting.
     
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  24. Sep 28, 2011
  25. Silencio

    Silencio Dormant account

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    The reason I started my own site was because I was a regular member at a forum, and allot of players including me were complaining about the casino they listed as no.1 of their top 10.

    But I have to say now I'm in it myself, I find it hard to find non-rogueish bonuses for american players, as well as no deposit bonuses. For instance this is vegas/davinci's gold/paradise8 and cocoa casino, they're not rogue-rogue, but I wouldn't give an european player the advice to play over there. If I would stay 100% true to my own beliefs I wouldn't even list them. I've been too busy to give it a good thought though..

    Anyhow, they do it for a reason, and it most likely pays of for them (hopefully not in the long run)

    Hard to imagine casinomeister has been around for such a long time, and I wonder what the industry would be like without it. Probably online gambling would be at the level of those phone sex adds..
     
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  26. Sep 28, 2011
  27. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

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    Im absolutely stunned that anyone would support Betfair by depositing given their recent theft of players money.

    Do you have no concern for the honest player or the industry as a whole? Do you not care whether they ripped off fellow CM members, just as long as they pay YOU?

    It's the reason that rogues stay in business right there.....it isn't just newbs who don't know any better, it is also players who don't give a rat's posterior about how anyone else gets treated.

    If I were one of those betfair players who was taken to the cleaners, I would be seriously pissed to know that other members were flying the flag for them.

    Maybe you can explain your thought process? I'm really just amazed.
     
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  28. Sep 28, 2011
  29. BMWSTACK

    BMWSTACK Ueber Meister

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    So you know what I am talking about then if you know the site. First it seems like everyone took a happy pill. Kind of reminds me of munchkin land in wiz of oz, so happy and merry, even while taking a good screwing. I do love how this one person is always posting tons of screenshots, more than everyone else, like he has some formula to winning. Everyone ohhhs and ahhhs, but he doesnt even have the decency to let people know that they lose as much as any one of us. It is very misleading. Actually this same person was throwing a fit a long time ago about not getting paid from a casino. It was almost suicidal. They were so devasted that their $400 wasnt getting to them, but with all the screenshots it looks like they play 24hrs a day, its like what do you expect?. Actually I think this person has to be a shill.
     
  30. Sep 28, 2011
  31. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

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    You're right.....there is nothing worse than a shill.

    Well, I'm off to play at inetbet and then maybe club world....
     
  32. Sep 28, 2011
  33. footdr

    footdr Banned User: PITA violations of the Forum Rules

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    There are alot of unreputable "online casino" review and bonus sites. It amazes me how many of them think casinos I stay well clear of due to problems I have had(not involving bonuses) are rated at the top of their best picks.

    There have been a few, no many, rouged casino groups on CM that I never had a problem with in 5+ years.
     
  34. Sep 29, 2011
  35. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

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    So you still play at CM 'rouged' casinos?

    If so, what is your reasoning? Does their unethical or downright criminal behaviour towards fellow players not matter to you as long as you get nice bonuses and get paid?

    It is not a personal attack....these are serious questions. If players supported each other and sent a message that 'rouge' behaviour is unacceptable by not depositing, these operators would have to change their ways or go down the plughole. You see, they will happily pay selected players with no problem at all so they will sing their praises....but the newbs and the players not fortunate enough to be selected will be taken for a ride as per usual. You, and others like you, are, perhaps unwittingly, part of the problem.
     
  36. Sep 29, 2011
  37. nonif

    nonif Banned User

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    For sure Ive learned one thing, It is ROGUE, not rouge. For all the remaining doubts, I will need some more time :cool:
     
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  38. Sep 29, 2011
  39. Osloking

    Osloking Quit Gambling

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    let me say a few things before you attack me,

    I have not in any way support what they have done. and I feel for those affected. listen to the story of the people before you get so aggressive,

    I started to play there just pure coincidence, I deposited 100kr and suddenly I had 6000kr in my acount after playing 5min there, I took it out, I got the money few days later. i contiuned to low roll and won big buks, i had then turned 3000kr in deposits total to 90000kr in cash out, then i searched about them and found about the happy hours promotion scandal, i stopped playing there for a while, and played many other casinos, my luck sucked big time, i never had a ONE single cash out at 32red in 7 months i deposited many ++ 50-80 $ and never had acount balance over 130dollar..... 3dice? dont let me start...

    Moreover, I have always deposited about 20 dollars, who cares they they does not let me withdraw when my 20dollar deposit at 3dice go faster than the lightning?

    I'm talking about MY experience, I have never told anyone to play there.
     

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