Why do [some] casinos go 'Rogue'?

H1_Roller

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What makes a casino go down the beaten roguish road? Surely the better path to choose is the creamy righteous one?

You know; people deposit, play, possibly win, then withdraw. You [the casino] pay them.
If a casino quickly builds up a reputation for honest and trustworthy service (including, but not limited to, excellent CS, and prompt payment), surely in the long run they can't lose?

Or can casinos lose even being 'good'? Can someone hit big and put them out of business? Big progressive jackpots are paid for by the players so even those shouldn't/couldn't be an issue.
Is it just a case of greed? "The house always wins" even for CM casinos (and those good guys who don't care much for being accredited), so why bother being difficult/bad?

I understand why good guys turn bad (Betfair for example). I don't condone that behavior in the slightest, but I do at least see why they decided to be scumbags.
 

Najasaki

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What makes a casino go down the beaten roguish road? Surely the better path to choose is the creamy righteous one?

You know; people deposit, play, possibly win, then withdraw. You [the casino] pay them.
If a casino quickly builds up a reputation for honest and trustworthy service (including, but not limited to, excellent CS, and prompt payment), surely in the long run they can't lose?

Or can casinos lose even being 'good'? Can someone hit big and put them out of business? Big progressive jackpots are paid for by the players so even those shouldn't/couldn't be an issue.
Is it just a case of greed? "The house always wins" even for CM casinos (and those good guys who don't care much for being accredited), so why bother being difficult/bad?

I understand why good guys turn bad (Betfair for example). I don't condone that behavior in the slightest, but I do at least see why they decided to be scumbags.


It's the same reason why I get Nigerian scam letters in my spam email box IMO.

Internet casinos who decide to up and turn rogue probably just give up because of
stiff competition out there. Tight funds and predicted closure of a particular online
casino equals taking what they can get and disappearing. What do they got to lose?

The internet has become a powerful tool for fraudsters to extract money from
honest consumers. I mean, what will we do? Fly to their location and knock on their
door to their studio apartment demanding our money back?
 
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KasinoKing

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Or can casinos lose even being 'good'? Can someone hit big and put them out of business?
Yes, I believe this is a genuine cause why some casinos have slipped to the dark side.

Casinos SHOULD always win in the long run, but with the danger of making bonuses too generous and offering games with too big a win potential compared to the casino's capital, short term casino losses can and do hit some of them for six.

Being an affiliate myself I have heard of this being the cause of the demise of several casinos, I have seen with my own eyes many of the casinos I promote take a right hammering from the players, and of course we have all seen what happened when BetFair screwed up and screwed their players... :(

It's not only the players who gamble when it comes to online casinos...

KK
 

ShayDrew

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What makes a casino go down the beaten roguish road? Surely the better path to choose is the creamy righteous one?

You know; people deposit, play, possibly win, then withdraw. You [the casino] pay them.
If a casino quickly builds up a reputation for honest and trustworthy service (including, but not limited to, excellent CS, and prompt payment), surely in the long run they can't lose?

Or can casinos lose even being 'good'? Can someone hit big and put them out of business? Big progressive jackpots are paid for by the players so even those shouldn't/couldn't be an issue.
Is it just a case of greed? "The house always wins" even for CM casinos (and those good guys who don't care much for being accredited), so why bother being difficult/bad?

I understand why good guys turn bad (Betfair for example). I don't condone that behavior in the slightest, but I do at least see why they decided to be scumbags.

While some players are greedy perhaps the same goes for operators? A Casino is on the "light" side - making a good solid profit - bit then the investors say "I WANT MORE" so they (As KK says) offer better bonus's etc etc to sign up more players - which creates more overheads - more cost - all of a sudden a couple of big hits and they need some time to pay....

Perhaps this is the case? But in summary I believe GREED!
 

secret2

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Maybe this is what happened with Lock (they became popular very quickly)and the slow pay from the Rushmore group? Rushmore is popular (SLots Oasis, paid out almost every other time I played there a couple of years ago as with Cherry Red).

But then again I am not sure how the system works , especially with RTG.
 

chayton

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For someone starting a new casino I think the problem is usually underfunding to begin with. Some college kids decide that they're going to open a casino with a $10K bankroll and people start to play and win, next thing excuses have to be made and it's a snowball. I don't usually like to play at brand new casinos for that reason, it's hard enough to win without gambling on being able to get paid too.
 

Jasminebed

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It's almost a better question to ask why don't they all go rogue?

Expected (or Theorhetical) RTP is just that... expected, not guaranteed. Undercapitalized casinos can't handle some early big hits and stay in for the long haul. Some delay payments, hoping the normal curve sets in.

Poorly designed promos can bring in advantage players in swarms. The casino designs the promos, so this is their mistake due to inexperience.

Any business venture carries risks. But online casinos seem to expect the players are the only ones taking risks.

Fraudsters are out there, and detecting them costs money. Just as retail stores need to budget a certain amount for theft, online casinos need to do the same.

Casinos that serve the US market in particular have to worry about seizures, and even non-US facing ones need to rely on the integrity of their processors.

How a casino reacts to setbacks comes from the top down. If there's integrity, they'll pay players and close shop if they don't have the capital for the long haul, or if there's not integrity, they'll just steal legitimate wins and abscond with what money there is.

If they are in for the long con, they'll pick and choose which players to pay, and set up complicated bonus structures, issue free chips (as low as 1 cent), harrass people by telephone to deposit and VIRTUALLY ;) steal their money until such time as a cashout is worth stealing.
 

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There are genuine cases where Casinos go down because of circumstances beyond their control.

On the other hand we have RTG / Rival / TopGame who dish out licences to any Harry and Sally... You need not look further than the Rogue Pit for the software providers. Based on the amount of Rogue Operations coming from those software providers, you need to question the integrity of their screening processes which ultimately grant the said operations a licence to operate their software. Another thing to note is that most of the RTG operations are in dark places (Scaly Licensing jurisdictions)

RTG is notorious for having Rogue Casinos... I don't see this on the same scale with Microgaming. Microgaming is STRICT when it comes to enforcing 'No US' play and does not slyly take players from prohibited jurisdictions. On the next page we have RTG who still take US players ... is this a hint at Desperation?

Coupled with what other posters have mentioned (Bonuses etc) my personal opinion is that RTG's start up costs are less than what MG would require. I would also assume that the surety required is vastly lower than Microgaming.

What is it with RTG... even Accredited brands make so many questionable decisions. They will not budge on $500..I don't see that happening with MG.... makes me wonder?

Then again - Everyone can't be 32Red!!

Nate
 

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What makes a casino go down the beaten roguish road? Surely the better path to choose is the creamy righteous one?

You know; people deposit, play, possibly win, then withdraw. You [the casino] pay them.
If a casino quickly builds up a reputation for honest and trustworthy service (including, but not limited to, excellent CS, and prompt payment), surely in the long run they can't lose?

Or can casinos lose even being 'good'? Can someone hit big and put them out of business? Big progressive jackpots are paid for by the players so even those shouldn't/couldn't be an issue.
Is it just a case of greed? "The house always wins" even for CM casinos (and those good guys who don't care much for being accredited), so why bother being difficult/bad?

I understand why good guys turn bad (Betfair for example). I don't condone that behavior in the slightest, but I do at least see why they decided to be scumbags.

It is fairly hard to run a casino, especially nowadays when there are so many operators on the market and when you cannot legally operate wherever you want due to restrictions.

As any business it takes time to make money. When you start any business you do not expect to make money over night, you most likely expect lose money for the first year, or even years. If things does not turn around as you might wish and you keep on bleeding money, so if you are running a casino you might start taking risks by not paying "this" huge winner in the hopes that he will reverse, or you will hope to have some other people losing a lot of money in the meantime until you can pay, or you stop paying affiliates and so on - in the casino players mouth you've turned 'roguish'.

Why a business does not turnaround and start being profitable can be the cause of a million things as you understand, or a combination of several:
bad management in general
human mistakes (ex. t&c for bonuses messed up which makes the casino bleed more money than expected)
bad CS staff (bad experience for customers which leads to bad lifetime of customers)
bad affiliate/marketing department (low acquisition)
bad retention of players
..and the list goes on
 

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Well there's 37 (or 38) numbers on a Roulette wheel... surely there's enough room for at least 36 more top-notch casinos like them! :p

Double-Zero Casino... now there's a thought...!

KK

7red is also taken KK :p

(btw, they are not top-notch :rolleyes: )
 

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PJP hits are a huge carrot on a stick, even for MGS casinos, imagine the scenario - you have put every penny you own and some into your casino/casinos, the house is re-mortgaged to the hilt, you have sold your wife and kids on e-bay, you are going under (no doubting that), then boom, someone hits a £3.5 million PJP at one of your casinos, are you gonna take a gamble that the publicity this would bring will get the punters back, or do a midnight flit with your freshly acquired millionaire bank roll status?.

So, in answer to the original question.......Temptation.
 
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